| Xenguy | fsmithred: You may recall that I tried my laptop at the recent meet, and I couldn't get sound to work... | 01:14 |
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| Xenguy | I finally noticed why that is the case: I have no sound : -P | 01:14 |
| fsmithred | alsa-utils? | 01:15 |
| Xenguy | In MATE, in the upper right-hand corner of the 'panel', there is usually a volume slider, but I'd been so busy configuring my shiny new system that I didn't notice that audio control was not there once I'd install a fresh Beowulf... | 01:16 |
| fsmithred | alsamixer | 01:16 |
| fsmithred | xfce gave up its volume control to PA | 01:17 |
| fsmithred | volumeicon-alsa is a good replacement | 01:17 |
| Xenguy | I did some troubleshooting today, and I am hopeful that this can be fixed, cos I ran 'pulseaudio' as user, and then was able to play a YT video with sound. So I have proof of concept, and just need to figure out the simplest way to configure this as a permanent condition | 01:17 |
| fsmithred | assuming you're not using PA | 01:17 |
| fsmithred | pavucontrol | 01:18 |
| Xenguy | I always use the default setup, which has always 'just worked', until now. I believe the default setup is with PA | 01:18 |
| fsmithred | you had to start PA? | 01:18 |
| fsmithred | check the autospawn config file? | 01:18 |
| Xenguy | Well to be clear, I don't know whether PA was already running or not. I grep'd for it and didn't see anything, which is why I tried running it (as user) manually. That's when I was able to coax some sound from this laptop | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | how did devuan get on this laptop? upgrade from ascii or beowulf install? | 01:19 |
| Xenguy | I have seen mention of pavucontrol, but it is not installed by default. | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | that's how you control PA | 01:20 |
| Xenguy | This is a fresh install of Beowulf, from USB drive | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | volume and channels and audio devices | 01:20 |
| Xenguy | Here's another thing I noticed... | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | see the release notes. ;) | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | to get PA to run out of the box, you need to install systemd | 01:21 |
| fsmithred | oops | 01:21 |
| fsmithred | edit the config file | 01:21 |
| fsmithred | or install from the live, since I already did it there | 01:21 |
| Xenguy | When I checked Systems > Preferences > Hardware > Sound, initially it showed 2 devices, the first and default which was HDMI something... | 01:22 |
| Xenguy | So I think I need to make the other more normal looking audio device, the default somehow | 01:22 |
| Xenguy | When I ran PA manually, I noticed that the correct device was somehow slotted in by doing that | 01:22 |
| * Xenguy re-reads the buffer... | 01:23 | |
| fsmithred | I have no experience with PA | 01:23 |
| gnarface | pulseaudio has it's own internal way to track what it considers the "default" audio device, which you can change on the fly through it's interface. alsa just orders them in whatever order the hardware inits, so hysteresis is not uncommon, even if none of the audio devices are hotplug | 01:24 |
| gnarface | if you use a usb audio device in there though, the orders are gonna change every time you hot plug it | 01:24 |
| gnarface | and usb devices usually experience a lot more variation in initialization times | 01:25 |
| gnarface | some of the drivers can be locked down to a specified order with module parameters though | 01:25 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: I believe I did read the release notes (golinux will be happy), but you're suggesting I should have a look again for a reference to PA, or ...? | 01:25 |
| fsmithred | look in /etc/pulse for a file with autospawn in the name | 01:26 |
| fsmithred | and read the comment | 01:26 |
| fsmithred | if I tell you, I'll tell you wrong | 01:26 |
| fsmithred | actually, I don't like to look at it because it makes me angry | 01:27 |
| Xenguy | OK thanks, I'll have a go at that, and see if it helps. I have never really had to touch PA, so I don't really know anything about it | 01:27 |
| Xenguy | gnarface: This is just a regular Beowulf install to a normal hard drive, no USB involved (except I used a USB key as the installation media) | 01:28 |
| gnarface | Xenguy: well that removes guaranteed hysteresis, but doesn't 100% eliminate the possibility | 01:30 |
| Xenguy | I don't know what that term means | 01:31 |
| gnarface | randomization is a close enough term | 01:32 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: OK, I must have looked at that file this afternoon, cos I saw that line. It is /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf | 01:33 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 01:33 |
| Xenguy | I checked my older laptop, where sound worked find by default, and that file was unmodified. But I suppose it's worth trying to comment out the line in this case, as obviously I am having issues with this newer laptop. | 01:34 |
| Xenguy | *worked fine | 01:34 |
| gnarface | well imagine this scenario: it's sold as 1 audio device, but the hdmi device is actually secondary, physically. 80% of the time the right one comes up first, and you set it in pulseaudio the first time, and pulseaudio remembers it | 01:39 |
| gnarface | and so later if it comes up in another order you never notice | 01:39 |
| gnarface | ... that is, until one day you try it without pulseaudio even installed | 01:40 |
| gnarface | and it just happens to come up hdmi-first that day | 01:40 |
| Xenguy | I rebooted, and unfortunately the audio control in the upper right-hand corner of the MATE interface is still not in evidence | 01:40 |
| Xenguy | Oh wait, there it is! | 01:41 |
| Xenguy | Bloody hell, this is looking promising, so to find a sound file, or is there some trick I remember where you can just cat /dev/urandom somewhere, as a test? | 01:42 |
| Xenguy | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ?!? | 01:42 |
| Xenguy | ^^ Don't try this at home kidz, memory is a fickle thing | 01:43 |
| fsmithred | there is a way to make a test sound, but I don't remember it | 01:43 |
| gnarface | speaker-test | 01:43 |
| gnarface | it's called speaker-test | 01:43 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that | 01:43 |
| gnarface | it's in one of the alsa tools or utils packages | 01:44 |
| Xenguy | OK, sounds like a good utility to have around, I'll look for that | 01:44 |
| Xenguy | Looks like it's in alsa-utils | 01:45 |
| Xenguy | Throws an error | 01:46 |
| gnarface | specify channel count | 01:47 |
| Xenguy | Unable to open slave; Playback open error... No such file or directory | 01:47 |
| gnarface | oh, you probably have to specify a device too, if the default one is the hdmi one right now and it's not working | 01:47 |
| gnarface | if you get the error about channel count, try -c 2 | 01:48 |
| Xenguy | We have lift-off gentlemen! | 01:49 |
| Xenguy | Was able to YT some video, with sound | 01:49 |
| Xenguy | Yay, nice way to kick off Friday night : -) | 01:49 |
| Xenguy | Thank you both very much for your kind assistance! | 01:50 |
| gnarface | no problem | 01:50 |
| * Xenguy prepares for a celebratory smoke... | 01:51 | |
| gast0n | targz: en español? | 01:51 |
| gast0n | Ooops, sorry | 01:51 |
| Xenguy | BTW gnarface , once that config change was made, the 'HDMI+Other device' situation disappears, and it just settles on 1 device, the proper one I assume. | 01:53 |
| golinux | pm | 01:54 |
| gnarface | Xenguy: that's typically the expectation when not using a string of separate USB audio devices, but like i said, more rare not unheard of though | 02:00 |
| * Xenguy looks for the Beowulf Release Notes, to see if there's any mention of that issue... | 02:13 | |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: You are correct, it is mentioned there, and I definitely read it, but did not remember later on. | 02:14 |
| Xenguy | That's good that that's covered. | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | glad you got it working | 02:15 |
| Xenguy | Me too, woohoo! | 02:15 |
| Xenguy | The only other fly in the ointment for this new little laptop (thinkpad x250, small form factor so is portable) is they screwed up the keyboard layout... | 02:16 |
| fsmithred | oh, there are different layouts that they use | 02:16 |
| Xenguy | I use Shift-Insert *all* the time to paste on the command-line... | 02:16 |
| Xenguy | So what do they do? | 02:16 |
| fsmithred | I have a T420 that has the wrong type of keyboard | 02:16 |
| fsmithred | why doesn't that work? | 02:17 |
| Xenguy | Now instead of 'Shift-Ins' and I need to press 'Func+Shift-Ins' | 02:17 |
| Xenguy | Just completely screwed it up for linux users, who are one of their biggest fans! Duh! | 02:18 |
| gnarface | there might be a better mapping for it | 02:18 |
| gnarface | it wouldn't be auto-detected | 02:18 |
| Xenguy | They put the Insert on the End key, so they're both bolted together... | 02:18 |
| Xenguy | Stupidest thing I eve saw in my life from Lenovo | 02:18 |
| Xenguy | golinux: Maybe I can remap somehow, one more thing on the todo list | 02:19 |
| Xenguy | Oh sorry, that was meant for gnarface | 02:19 |
| fsmithred | Home End and Delete in the pic I see | 02:19 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: Insert is kind of subscripted on the End key, if you can get close enough | 02:20 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I see something there | 02:20 |
| Xenguy | It's really just dumb | 02:20 |
| Xenguy | In the BIOS I can reverse the values of those keys... | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | oh, switch End and Insert? | 02:21 |
| Xenguy | But then every time I wanted F12, I'd have to press Func-F12, so I chose the F-keys to work by default, which screws up the Insert key | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 02:22 |
| Xenguy | Right, so I just have to find another way to remap the key I think | 02:22 |
| fsmithred | must be a way to do that in mate settings | 02:22 |
| fsmithred | xfce will let you do it | 02:22 |
| Xenguy | So next time I shop for laptops, I'm gonna pay more attention to the keyboard layout | 02:22 |
| fsmithred | you might be able to find an alternate layout replacement | 02:23 |
| Xenguy | I haven't seen any MATE configs like that, but I'll double-check on it tonight, and if I can't find a solution, I know there are more CLI utilities that will do key remapping | 02:23 |
| Xenguy | It just takes time to find the right call | 02:24 |
| Xenguy | But that's Linux for you, right? | 02:24 |
| Xenguy | I use Linux, I eat rusty nails and sound problems for breakfast! | 02:24 |
| fsmithred | In xfce it's Settings, Keyboard, Layout | 02:26 |
| Xenguy | Really, hrm. OK, will check that in MATE first, I have used XFCE in the past, and it's fine, I just really like MATE best of all | 02:27 |
| fsmithred | System, Preferences, Keyboard shortcuts | 02:28 |
| fsmithred | in mate | 02:28 |
| Xenguy | I am there now, and looking to see what the options are | 02:29 |
| clort | T420 is almost perfect except the T430 got intel HD4000 gpu | 02:33 |
| clort | which is a very nice setep up | 02:33 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: Lots of options available for layout changes (I tried swapping CapLock and Esc, but it wouldn't accept the button activation) but no mention of Func keys, oh well, there are other ways I'm sure | 02:35 |
| Xenguy | The thing is, I think I might be hosed, cos I need *both* 'End' and 'Insert', and they've put them both on 1 key, the stupid gits | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | ctrl-c ctrl-v ? | 02:38 |
| MinceR | $ and i :> | 02:40 |
| Xenguy | Bah, the muscle memory, gahhhhhhhh | 04:08 |
| Xenguy | a creeping windowism | 04:10 |
| Xenguy | but doubtless pragmatic | 04:10 |
| Xenguy | And doubtless OT | 04:11 |
| * Xenguy shuts up for awhile... | 04:11 | |
| luke-jr | new install on new PC; X won't start on Intel Gen10 GPU.. :/ | 04:24 |
| lunario | what again is the file that i need to change in order to get rid of the 30 second "sda5_crypt...busy..." error when shutting down devuan on a luks-encrypted device? | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | lunario, if you're in beowulf you can install cryptsetup-modified-functions from beowulf-proposed-updates | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | I'll get you a link to the .deb | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/c/cryptsetup-modified-functions/cryptsetup-modified-functions_19.09.02%2Bdevuan1_all.deb | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | won't work in ascii. In that case, edit /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | it's cryptdisks-functions in beowulf and very different from the one in ascii | 15:05 |
| lunario | thanks fsmithred! | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | you're in beowulf? | 15:38 |
| lunario | yes | 15:38 |
| lunario | so if i understood you correctly, the cryptsetup-modified-functions that is available in the standard repo (I have main contrib non-free in sources.list) will also work? | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | lunario, I'm only seeing it in beowulf-proposed-updates | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | 19.09.02+devuan1 should be the only one in devuan repos. If you see it, you can use it. | 15:48 |
| conifer | hi, I recently started having an issue when booting up, after entering luks pass I sometimes get "warning: device /dev/sda not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10M microseconds" | 18:24 |
| conifer | the warning gets repeated for other /dev/dm-# and /dev/sda# | 18:25 |
| conifer | when I waited long enough the system finally started, but some things didn't work right | 18:26 |
| conifer | and this issue does not happen with every boot, but I see it every other day | 18:27 |
| conifer | anyone has an idea what's up? | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | conifer, yeah | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | shit | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | conifer, I sort of know what's going on | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | I've seen that when trying to install grub in a chroot | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | fixed it by mounting /run/udev in the chroot | 18:36 |
| conifer | but I haven't messed with grub | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | it's not about grub | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | that's just how I ran into it | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | how did you install the system? | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | regular installer iso or live iso | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | ? | 18:38 |
| conifer | netinstall, so this is the regular way right? | 18:39 |
| conifer | it worked for a couple of months and I just started seeing this warning some two weeks ago or so | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | what changed? | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | if you did updates, you can look in /var/log/apt/history.log to see what was upgraded or installed/removed | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | might be something changed in the initrd | 18:43 |
| conifer | I'm on a laptop and wasn't doing anything that would make me immediately connect the dots | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | we got a new kernel recently. If you have the old one, try booting that. | 18:46 |
| conifer | this is the first time I'm using a SSD and I thought maybe something's wrong with it | 18:47 |
| fsmithred | oh | 18:47 |
| fsmithred | you have raid? | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | or just lvm | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | ? | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | there are some changes in lvm.conf that might help | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | I have to remember where they are | 18:48 |
| conifer | I'm using luks-lvm | 18:50 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21501#p21501 | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | the only lvm upgrade I can find was liblvm7 which I got in septembr | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | that does not provide the config file | 18:57 |
| conifer | so I should try making these changes to lvm.conf? | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | yeah, then rebuild initrd | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | update-initramfs -u | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | I think that will do it | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | in my post, I said that I changed it in the initramfs, but I didn't say how | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | :( | 19:02 |
| conifer | can I do this when the system is up? | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | it's possible I manually unpacked, edited and repacked it | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | I don't think the changes can take effect until you reboot | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | but I'm not certain about that | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | worst case you boot live-cd or installation media and fix it in chroot | 19:04 |
| fsmithred | rescue mode in the installer isos | 19:04 |
| conifer | well, the funny thing is I don't see this problem with every boot, so if it will take me a couple of boots to see if it helped | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | shit | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | ok | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | new plan | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | lets see if it's related to the eudev bug | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | lsmod |wc -l | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | do that after a good boot and a bad boot (with delay) and see if the number is different | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | do you lose any other functions when it screws up? | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | like sound or wireless? | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | there's a new version of eudev in beowulf-proposed-updates that fixes a race condition that results in some modules not loading | 19:07 |
| conifer | when I waited and it finally booted up I had no networking and there was an issue with graphics (lower resolution) | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | excellent! | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | lol | 19:07 |
| conifer | as if I didn't have the driver installed | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | add this to sources.list | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | deb http://sledjhamr.org/devuan/deviam beowulf-proposed-updates main | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | pj | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | oh | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | you can use whatever mirror you want (like deb.devuan.org) | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | update, install eudev=3.2.9-8~beowulf1 libeudev1=3.2.9-8~beowulf1 | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | then comment out that line (unless you want all our new stuff) | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | if you don't want to do that, you could add 'sleep 1' to /etc/init.d/eudev | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | I can show you where it goes if you want | 19:11 |
| conifer | it's deb.devuan.org/merged as usual, right? | 19:13 |
| conifer | I mean, sledjhamr.org has a devuan/deviam | 19:14 |
| conifer | if I use deb.devuan.org it's /merged, not /devuan/deviam | 19:15 |
| fsmithred | use /devuan not /merged | 19:17 |
| fsmithred | and sledjhamr has an extra devuan | 19:17 |
| fsmithred | if you just install eudev it won't matter, but if you do an upgrade, you'll get new stuff | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | if you use merged you will get new stuff from debian as well as from devuan | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan beowulf-proposed-updates main | 19:19 |
| fsmithred | or use /merged and just install what you need then disable that line | 19:19 |
| fsmithred | omg, I screwed up the sledjhamr link | 19:21 |
| fsmithred | sledjhamr.org/devuan/devuan beowulf-proposed-updates main | 19:22 |
| conifer | np, I used the deb.devuan.org | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | ok | 19:25 |
| fsmithred | I'm just using sledjhamr because it works better for me | 19:25 |
| n4dir | on a side note the deb.devuan.org repo problems solved itself in the very same evening i asked about it | 19:27 |
| conifer | I installed the new eudev and libeudev, got a warning about old and new network interface names - I don't think I'm using the new names so I can ignore it, right? | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | that's normal | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | ignore that warning if you're already using eth0/wlan0 | 19:28 |
| conifer | ok | 19:29 |
| conifer | does it mean I'm mostly good now, and can observe if the problem will still occur during my next boots? | 19:31 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that should be enough. Reboot. | 19:34 |
| conifer | do I need to lock the version of eudev if I'm going to disable the proposed-updates in sources? | 19:45 |
| n4dir | lock as in "hold" from getting updated? | 19:45 |
| conifer | so that it won't downgrade? or it's not going to downgrade on it's own? | 19:45 |
| conifer | yeah | 19:46 |
| n4dir | and why would you want to disable proposed-updates? | 19:46 |
| n4dir | no, it won't downgrade | 19:46 |
| n4dir | And as long it doesn't get upgraded by the other repo but proposed-updates it won't get upgraded either. | 19:46 |
| n4dir | I am quite sure something like downgrades don't exist in debian/devuan land | 19:47 |
| n4dir | by normal means | 19:47 |
| conifer | I don't quite know what apt does if the package exist in currently updated repos but has a lower version | 19:49 |
| conifer | I thought I'd rather ask to be on the safe side | 19:49 |
| n4dir | ah, well. Then perhaps better wait for someone else to answer. If it was me i'd just do "try it and see", if in doubt with apt-get -s as in simulate. But waiting for a more sure answer is fine too. Good luckc | 19:50 |
| n4dir | mainly as encryption seems to be involved. Which is a bit troublesome to repair. Or at least can be | 19:51 |
| n4dir | i sure leave repos from which i installed something uncommented though. | 19:52 |
| conifer | well, I can see proposed-updates have new versions of init, dbus and lightdm, among other things, and I'd rather not have them (possibly) broken when I'm trying to fix my current issue | 19:54 |
| n4dir | yeah, i see. | 19:55 |
| conifer | that's probably because I updated to /merged before fsmithred's reply | 20:01 |
| conifer | anyway, thank you for your help, fsmithred! I'll report back if I still see this issue later | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | conifer, apt won't downgrade packages without forcing it | 20:28 |
| xinomilo | iirc, downgrade only asks y/n, no forcing needed. | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | I've had newer packages that didn't get replaced by older ones in the repo | 20:36 |
| fsmithred | testing it now. I removed beowulf-proposed-updates and 'apt policy' shows the installed version's priority as 100, but 'apt upgrade' does not replace it with the older version. | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | version of eudev | 20:40 |
| xinomilo | usually do it with `apt install $package -t release` | 20:40 |
| xinomilo | ok i c what u mean. yes, apt upgrade won't do it without forcing | 20:41 |
| fsmithred | I'[ve noticed that sometimes -t release does not work. So I use package=version more often now. | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | I think there are some unsolved wonky dependency issues | 20:46 |
| xinomilo | sometimes package/version didn't work for me, -t was better. | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | lol | 20:48 |
| xinomilo | i think aptitude is better in some similar cases | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | sometimes I use that | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | I always use aptitude -s to check first | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | better looking output | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | and sometimes alternatives | 20:48 |
| Junicchi | does devuan support wireguard? | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | yeah, let me check which suite has it | 21:12 |
| fsmithred | beowulf-backports! | 21:12 |
| Junicchi | fsmithred: thanks bruh | 21:23 |
| anjan | Hi, I am looking to install devuan but I need to know if ovmf is in the package repos. | 21:48 |
| anjan | the website that documents the packages available in devuan is down for me | 21:48 |
| anjan | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.xml | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure that's where I got it | 21:48 |
| anjan | can anyone running a devuan system do an `apt-cache search ovmf` for me please? | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | Installed: 0~20181115.85588389-3+deb10u2 | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | I did apt policy ovmf | 21:49 |
| anjan | ah | 21:49 |
| anjan | thank you fsmithred | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | it's in beowulf | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | and later | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | I think it's in ascii, too | 21:49 |
| anjan | is it in the free or nonfree repos? | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | main | 21:50 |
| anjan | nice | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | it be free | 21:50 |
| anjan | Does devuan mostly support debian's repos? | 21:50 |
| anjan | like percentage wise... | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | we mostly steal directly from their servers | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | 99% | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | unchanged | 21:50 |
| anjan | alright great. =) | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | couple hundred packages we fork, and half of those are task-<language> | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | just for deps | 21:51 |
| anjan | cheers. Thank you for your help fsmithred | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | and we ban the ones we can't fix (systemd and friends) | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | yw | 21:51 |
| anjan | ya, I would prefer that in my distro | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | right. No need to pin those out | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | new isos for beowulf point-release should be ready soon | 21:53 |
| anjan | nice! | 22:01 |
| anjan | the best christmas gift :3 | 22:01 |
| rwp | anjan, I am just a casual user but since Devuan is an overlay on top of Debian then if it is in Debian then, for the most part, it works just the same in Devuan. | 22:06 |
| rwp | anjan, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ovmf | 22:06 |
| anjan | I see. I heard about devuan years ago and not familiar with how much the project has progressed. | 22:08 |
| rwp | And I guess I always search using https://packages.debian.org/PATTERNHERE and very little typing for me. Just "pac" and for me it autocompletes and then I type in the pattern. | 22:08 |
| anjan | I see that it has progressed alot. Excited to install it =) | 22:08 |
| rwp | Devuan is my daily driver for a moderate number of systems. | 22:09 |
| brocashelm | same except it's refracta | 22:24 |
| rwp | Devuan is The New Universal Operating System! :-) | 22:25 |
| brocashelm | i don't use any other distro presently because i like being decisive ;) | 22:25 |
| brocashelm | it's not devuan systemd is after. it's us! devuan is just in their way | 22:26 |
| rwp | brocashelm, You should join #devuan-offtopic! :-) | 22:28 |
| gnarface | pkginfo.devuan.org is generating a xslt error guys | 23:00 |
| Xenguy | What's the error gnarface ? | 23:35 |
| Xenguy | Or in #devuan-www, if that is more appropriate | 23:37 |
| rwp | Xenguy, "Error loading stylesheet: Parsing an XSLT stylesheet failed." | 23:37 |
| Xenguy | Thanks rwp | 23:37 |
| rwp | To me it is a confusing error because I get one error in the web browser above and a different error when poking with wget/curl at the parts of it. | 23:41 |
| rwp | Errors I see poking: https://paste.debian.net/1176643/ | 23:44 |
| rwp | Therefore I conclude that the "Error loading stylesheet: Parsing an XSLT stylesheet failed." came from Firefox when it handled the 404? (maybe?) | 23:45 |
| gnarface | rwp: i didn't look into it but yes, this is the general type of error you get from firefox when you tell it to expect xml but then feed it malformed xml | 23:54 |
| gnarface | rwp: (and i agree that a very likely culprit is some other error from a different layer of the system corrupting the xml response, but like i said, i didn't look into it any further) | 23:55 |
| rwp | Yup! | 23:55 |
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