| clort | is there a fastboot package for devuan? for android mangling. | 06:50 |
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| clort | it installs a placeholder script in /usr/bin | 06:50 |
| clort | apt-get source grabs a bunch of 'stuff' android-platform-system-core-10.0.0+r36 | 06:51 |
| clort | older fastboot .debs still work btw - don't upgrade fastboot if you are on devuan ceres | 13:42 |
| clort | wb tuxd3v | 13:45 |
| tuxd3v | clort, hell how are you? | 13:45 |
| clort | ? having some nice tea | 13:46 |
| tuxd3v | err, hell -> hello :) | 13:47 |
| n4dir | folks. An old used PC arrived here. I am not sure if it is 32 bit or 64 bit. In the BIOS info it says: Cache Size 64kBx2 | 14:12 |
| n4dir | is that a 64 bit PC? | 14:12 |
| n4dir | i guess simply trying to boot from the 64 bit CD will do the trick. Sorry, confused. Thanks | 14:14 |
| n4dir | uh yeah. works. Sorry again. | 14:16 |
| tuxd3v | what is its name? | 14:16 |
| tuxd3v | version? | 14:16 |
| n4dir | already left the BIOS. Something HP | 14:16 |
| n4dir | gimme a sec, will tell | 14:17 |
| tuxd3v | check what cpu it has | 14:17 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 14:17 |
| n4dir | HP xp4600 Workstation | 14:17 |
| n4dir | intel processor, more i can't figure out right now, installs already | 14:19 |
| r3boot | c2d, thats 64bit | 14:19 |
| n4dir | weird what kind of stuff you get for free. 4 Gigs of RAM, 500 Gigs of harddisk. Looks good, for my needs. | 14:20 |
| r3boot | not so good for the climate tho :P | 14:20 |
| r3boot | But if it works, it works. A hell of a lot of room needed for so little computing power iig | 14:20 |
| tuxd3v | it could be a c2quad | 14:21 |
| tuxd3v | if the model was HP xw4600 Workstation | 14:21 |
| n4dir | it sure is a dual core | 14:21 |
| tuxd3v | ho ok :) | 14:21 |
| n4dir | 3.3 Herz, or such | 14:21 |
| n4dir | This is much better than anything i had the last 5 or 10 years. Besides the new laptop, which is pretty much similar specs, a Gig less of Ram though | 14:22 |
| n4dir | also for free. Ha ha ha. | 14:23 |
| tuxd3v | n4dir, nice job :) | 15:34 |
| TwistedFate | my friend just updated from old stable to beowulf, and he cannot boot into his system, like fstab isn't being called again | 20:14 |
| TwistedFate | was there any changes made for fstab? | 20:14 |
| TwistedFate | anyone? | 20:19 |
| Guest3 | i guess note | 20:20 |
| Guest3 | *not | 20:20 |
| TwistedFate | he seems to have bunch of errors with core packages | 20:24 |
| Guest3 | is there anything wrong with the kernel image? | 20:24 |
| Guest3 | i remember running into that issue | 20:25 |
| clort | it would be interesting to be the kind of being that would use a 3.3 herz computer | 20:50 |
| gordonDrogon | clort, not quite 3.3Hz, but 6.5Khz? http://dmitry.gr/?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit | 21:09 |
| nemo | Say... what's the "proper" way in debian/devuan to deactivate a service? | 21:15 |
| nemo | besides just deleting all the runlevel symlinks | 21:15 |
| nemo | is there a recommended approach, renaming them instead, a shell wrapper? | 21:15 |
| nemo | hm. update-rc.d seems to be used, and not just by package installers | 21:17 |
| nemo | yeah, result seems reasonable. good enough | 21:20 |
| hagbard_ | I'd assume unlinking the runlevel symlinks is indeed the proper way. | 21:21 |
| mason | nemo: update-rc.d is the correct way | 21:29 |
| nemo | yeah, was just wondering if there was like... some recommended approach for "do it in a reversible fashion" or something. | 21:30 |
| nemo | which it does not seem like update-rc.d worries about at all ☺ | 21:30 |
| nemo | ahhh I see. all that is provided in the init info section duh | 21:31 |
| nemo | which update-rc.d reads. nice | 21:31 |
| rwp | nemo, If you modify the symlinks then you must leave at least one symlink in place or it will look like a pristine install and get the defaults reset later. See the man page. | 21:39 |
| rwp | nemo, Personally I prefer to modify the /etc/default/$foo file to do this. I often put an "exit 0" in there when I want to deactivate the init script. YMMV. | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | if you want easy on/off you can use sysv-rc-conf | 21:41 |
| nemo | rwp: oh. interesting | 21:42 |
| nemo | rwp: yeah. in this case I do indeed want to do that | 21:42 |
| clort | some amusing newthings from xscreensaver world https://www.jwz.org/blog/2020/12/xscreensaver-5-45/ | 21:42 |
| nemo | rwp: if you're curious, it's snmpd - basically, someone decided that the "default public read" which provides the server name and other deep secrets is a security hazard on a LAN | 21:43 |
| nemo | rwp: and while we figure out exactly what they want their snmpd settings to be, I just wanted to turn it off | 21:43 |
| nemo | rwp: but I definitely don't want upgrades enabling it again | 21:43 |
| nemo | on the other hand, modifying the init script is kinda too non-obvious for me. | 21:44 |
| nemo | rwp: actually I'm probably fine with update-rc.d snmpd diable since it leaves all the symlinks in place | 21:44 |
| nemo | *disable | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | it does? | 21:45 |
| nemo | fsmithred: well. as killed | 21:45 |
| nemo | S → K | 21:45 |
| DHE | kinda weird question. is there a minimum kernel version needed for devuan? I'm going to try running it in a chroot/container but a sorta old distro (kernel 3.10) as the host | 21:46 |
| nemo | rwp: I guess I was just thinking it might be more elegant if it did something like changing the symlink name to be K01snmpd-S01 or something for reversability... | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I'm reading that now | 21:46 |
| nemo | but nbd | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | aha! -f removes the links | 21:47 |
| nemo | DHE: until recently I'd been using ascii kernel just fine in beowulf on a work laptop due to a stupid requirement that I inject my kernel with some dubious binary | 21:47 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure what sysv-rc-does. I never checked to see if the links are still there. | 21:47 |
| fsmithred | checking... | 21:48 |
| rwp | update-rc.d with disable is okay for me too. But there is at least one user who is very upset about it. https://bugs.debian.org/975591 | 21:48 |
| rwp | If the symlinks are all removed then they will get recreated as the default next time because it looks like a fresh installation. So must leave at least one. | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | next time what? | 21:49 |
| rwp | Either disable with all of them set to K??foo or perhaps leave just the /rc/rc6.d/K??foo link which is for shutdown. Can't see that being an issue for anyone. Except... Bug#975591 | 21:50 |
| fsmithred | sysv-rc-conf renames the links | 21:50 |
| rwp | nemo, I am contemplating proposing changing symlinks to D??foo if the user wishes them to be neither start nor kill links. | 21:51 |
| rwp | The next version of the OS should always be compatible with the previous OS version kernel. Otherwise upgrades are a problem. | 21:51 |
| rwp | And the reverse. The next OS version kernel should always be compatible with the previous OS version kernel. | 21:52 |
| rwp | But skipping two is possible to be incompatible ABI. | 21:52 |
| nemo | rwp: DS01/DK01 would let me easily restore prior state I guess - I've never tried stuff like that since I had no idea how init.d handled it | 21:52 |
| rwp | However, I think it will actually work as a matter of practicality over a pretty wide range of kernels. | 21:52 |
| rwp | And also many cloud host vendors run the latest bleeding edge kernel that they upgrade routinely running some very old customer OS distributions. | 21:53 |
| rwp | nemo, I only said I was contemplating proposing it. At this time I believe those will just be seen as extra files. And it will be as if they do not exist at all. | 21:53 |
| nemo | cool | 21:54 |
| rwp | Just like the README file in that directory. Therefore changing all links to D??foo right now would be the same as removing all of them. Therefore leave at least one. | 21:54 |
| nemo | oh right. shoot | 21:54 |
| nemo | well. I guess in this case I'd only want to change the starts | 21:54 |
| nemo | so I could just rename those and leave the kills | 21:54 |
| rwp | If disable works changing them to K??foo links then that is a good way to do it. Or modifying the /etc/default/foo script is usually good for me. | 21:54 |
| * rwp has to run! TTYL! | 21:55 | |
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