libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2021-02-01

Guest89I had sent a bugreport to the dng@lists.dyne.org about my ALSA/and /var permissions. I do not see if this email was sent to the list04:28
Guest89The subject line was "[Devuan 3] [Chmod] [Lynis] Bonked default permissions"04:36
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDAny devuan users use FreeBSD as well?04:36
golinuxGuest89: AKA se7en . . . I have not released it because it's not really a devuan issue.  It's self-inflicted.05:19
golinuxLet me have another look . . .05:22
golinuxGuest89: lynis is a merged Debian package so the bug report should to to Debian.05:25
golinuxlynis07:28
golinuxOops  . . .07:29
alv@fsmithred Hi who did the devuan netinstall ?? and what did he used to make the iso ??10:36
alv:)10:36
rrqthe devuan netinstall, server and desktop isos are built from the installer-iso project (https://git.devuan.org/devuan.installer-iso.git) via "jenkins" following the Jenkinsfile script10:55
rrqmostly my baby10:55
rrqcorrection: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/installer-iso.git10:57
alv@rrq did you mean https://git.devuan.org/devuan/installer-iso ???15:01
james1138Good Morning. Technical question about Devuan and PAE.  I did a Google search first and seen that PAE on Ubuntu & Debian supports up to 64 gb. I am just asking to be sure using Devuan before upgrading my laptop RAM beyond 8 gb if that is true??15:26
DHEPAE is for 32 bit CPUs only15:26
james1138I am using a Lenovo Thinkpad T500 laptop with Intel CPU15:28
james1138I am also running 32 bit by choice.15:28
fsmithredjames1138, we use debian kernels15:30
DHEbut just from a pure linux standpoint, why not a 64 bit kernel/OS? it looks like the CPU is of the Core 2 duo family which does support it15:31
james1138Ahh.... good. Thanx fsmithred! Just wanted that extra piece of mind before spend money.15:31
fsmithred99% of our packages come directly from debian unchanged15:32
james1138DHE - many of my favorite programs/applications do not have a 64 bit version. I would have to install ia32-libs / architecture i386 to run them. In that case - I would have one computer with in essence 2 systems - I gain nothing. But let's just skip the 32 bit vs 64 bit.15:44
gnarfacejames1138: you gain a lot, actually, by running a 64-bit kernel, even on one of those 2GB core2duos.  it's not like windows.17:26
gnarfacejames1138: i'm speaking from personal experience17:26
gnarfacejames1138: what you lose is about 400MB of disk space17:26
gnarfacejames1138: (give or take, depending on how many extra 32-bit libs you need; they're not all bundled up together in one big package like they were in the "ia32-libs" days, either - multiarch has improved significantly)17:27
user___looks like the switch to a non chrome non mozilla browser becomes urgent https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/01/chrome_89_beta_brings_desktop/20:20
user___vivaldi is still in the game. But on which side?20:20
MinceRit's based on blink (chromium) and it's proprietary20:20
user___yes but it works well on devuan and other linuxes20:21
sgageIt works well on devuan and other linuxes? I didn't think that20:44
sgagewas the most important criterion. It's proprietary, for a start.20:44
sgageAnd it's based on Chromium anyway.20:45
UsLarkenfox + RFP and FPI is pretty good still21:00
UsLand by pretty I mean still awesome.21:00
xinomilowhy is the switch to non-mozilla urgent? article doesn't say anything about mozilla/ff doing the same thing.. (?)21:07
xinomilo+1 for arkefox, and vivaldi being proprietary crap :)21:07
gnarfacexinomilo: conflict of interest from the source of mozilla's funding, i assume21:29
gnarfacethough really, i think we just need more forks of it21:30
gnarfacepeople forget it's already 3 forks removed from origin21:30
user___package tclspice is broken in beowulf. libspice.so.0 is not provided, only a symlink to it.21:45
user___xinomilo: because features coming into chrome drive the web apps and ff will become unusable rather soon on mainstream sites if not following up.21:45
user___Web Serial for example directly addresses a large segment of IoT and diy / arduino style projects which were traditionally linux based until recently.21:46
rrqalv: with or without ".git" extension is ok; the actual repository directory is with a ".git" extensions but most access software, including the web gui, handles (or creates) the ambiguity just to allow for human sloppiness, perhaps.22:24
rrq(duly illustrated by a spurious s :)22:25
masonrrq: Postel's Law. We all rode right over that extra 's' without blinking.22:28
rrq'teresting. ta.22:33
MinceRafaik the '.git' suffix is normally used to denote a bare repository22:35
MinceR(probably because the contents of repo.git are roughly the same as the contents of repo/.git would be)22:35

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