xrogaan | Well, probably? I don't know. | 00:19 |
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xrogaan | golinux: I would make a subsection on that page titled "How to contribute". | 00:20 |
xrogaan | You know, to categorize the information and not have it in a big lump. | 00:22 |
xrogaan | Similarly, I would suggest moving the "old bug list" to an archive sub section. | 00:22 |
xrogaan | What's the most relevant information somebody would want to find on the web page? | 00:23 |
golinux | "Contribute covers more that development so not totally appropriate to that "Development" page | 00:25 |
golinux | We need to keep things focused. | 00:26 |
Xenguy | xrogaan: Feel free to /join #devuan-www. We appreciate all suggestions, and contributions : -) | 00:27 |
golinux | xrogaan: Yes, please join in there. | 00:34 |
fling | How to delay starting tor until openvpn initializes connection? | 13:57 |
iv4nshm4k0v | fling: The only way I can readily think of is to # update-rc.d tor disable and put an explicit invoke-rc.d tor start into the relevant Openvpn script. | 13:59 |
fling | thanks | 13:59 |
fling | which automation/orchestration tool to use for setting up multiple devuans? | 14:00 |
iv4nshm4k0v | (A more difficult, though perhaps justified in some cases, approach would be to add a dependency on openvpn into init.d/tor and edit the latter to somehow wait for the connection to come up.) | 14:03 |
fling | gentoo has proper openvpn initscript for this | 14:03 |
fling | also works with multiple connections | 14:03 |
fling | service reported as running only when connection initiated | 14:03 |
iv4nshm4k0v | fling: Some use Ansible with Debian; don't think it won't be similar with Devuan. Personally, I use some ad-hoc scripts. | 14:03 |
fling | How to properly install cjdns? Maybe also yrd. | 14:12 |
fling | also ansible or puppet? | 14:18 |
frntz | Is there any likelihood beowulf would see a backported 5.11 kernel? Or whatever Debian release it's based on.. I tend to forget their release names these days :P | 22:21 |
Tenkawa | frntz: 5.11 hasn't even made it into debian unstable yet' | 22:29 |
frntz | ah, so I guess I'm holding my breath for nothing | 22:29 |
Tenkawa | right now they are on : Version: 5.10.19-1 | 22:33 |
Tenkawa | just updated my repo and listed it out | 22:33 |
frntz | ah well, I'll have to build my own at some point | 22:33 |
Tenkawa | thats what I do | 22:34 |
Tenkawa | I run 90% arm so its useful for me to anyway | 22:34 |
frntz | nice, I would go full arm if I didn't have things i needed on x86 | 22:35 |
Tenkawa | only thing I run x86 is my gaming/input laptop | 22:36 |
Tenkawa | (and my mac laptop) | 22:36 |
frntz | yeah, gaming is the thing I can't seem to give up too lol. | 22:37 |
frntz | but x86 has got to that point for me.. I may have to give it up regardless. | 22:37 |
Tenkawa | yeah my wife, me and and some of our friends play a lot online nowadays since remote gaming is so much more useeable for us | 22:38 |
frntz | that's understandable, lan parties are hard to arrange | 22:38 |
frntz | these days I see that even mitx boards are bloated.. user choice about rgb options is limited, e.g you either buy a new board with rgb support or you buy older hardware | 22:41 |
gnarface | frntz: use beowulf-backports for a newer kernel. i think it's only 5.9 or 5.10 yet but it might end up eventually being 5.11 before beowulf is EOL'd | 22:48 |
gnarface | frntz: (if you're using AMD or NVidia official drivers you'll also need stuff from backports for them to match the kernel) | 22:49 |
Tenkawa | gnarface: he's aware of that but I confirmed "official debian" doesn't have it yet | 22:53 |
Tenkawa | read above | 22:54 |
Tenkawa | if debian doesnt have it... devuan isnt going to | 22:54 |
frntz | indeed, though it's useful to know they might backport 5.11 at some point | 22:54 |
Tenkawa | frntz: yes.. but it doesn't make any sense to muddy infornation | 22:55 |
Tenkawa | 5.11 likely will never get brought over anyway | 22:56 |
Tenkawa | its not a long term release | 22:56 |
Tenkawa | at all | 22:56 |
gnarface | Tenkawa: well, i think it was actually helpful information to add and i was not intending to muddy anything, but rather clarify | 22:56 |
gnarface | Tenkawa: it wasn't clear from just this interchange that he had tried what was already there yet or had incentive to | 22:57 |
frntz | well, 5.11 or greater will be useful. In any case, we'll seee but I have to build my own for now.. which is okay | 22:57 |
gnarface | Tenkawa: (and that's the thing i actually intended to add; incentive to try 5.10 because i don't see any compelling reason to wait for 5.11) | 22:57 |
gnarface | Tenkawa: (incentive and one important tip about the non-free driver components for common video cards, that is) | 22:58 |
Tenkawa | he "specificly" asked about 5.11 | 22:58 |
gnarface | Tenkawa: (both of those, i admit, might have been discussed prior, but like i said, i wasn't trying to steal your thunder, just improve detail) | 22:58 |
Tenkawa | which was relevant in this discussion | 22:58 |
Tenkawa | debian doesnt have any 5.11 in it at all yet | 22:59 |
gnarface | Tenkawa: yea, but i also think people should avoid 5.11 right now for good reason, but people using 4.19 can benefit from 5.9 and 5.10 in numerous real-world scenarios) | 22:59 |
Tenkawa | gnarface: yes.. but let them decide.. thats not whats he asked | 22:59 |
Tenkawa | anyhow.. I have to run for a few hours.. time to finish up some stuff before a storm hits us | 23:00 |
gnarface | Tenkawa: but it wasn't clear to me that you had given him enough information to decide that. so while the situation where frntz might have already been on 5.9 or 5.10 would have been acceptable IMO, the situation where he decides to wait on 4.19 instead of trying a backports kernel was not | 23:00 |
Tenkawa | afk | 23:00 |
Tenkawa | what?? | 23:01 |
Tenkawa | he asked "(05:21:36 PM) frntz: Is there any likelihood beowulf would see a backported 5.11 kernel? Or whatever Debian release it's based on.. I tend to forget their release names these days :P" | 23:01 |
frntz | all info is good guys, I take merit from whatever you think their release cycle might be.. I know there are no guarentees | 23:01 |
Tenkawa | I answered "(05:21:36 PM) frntz: Is there any likelihood beowulf would see a backported 5.11 kernel? Or whatever Debian release it's based on.. I tend to forget their release names these days :P" | 23:01 |
Tenkawa | oops | 23:02 |
Tenkawa | (05:29:28 PM) FreeNode:Tenkawa: frntz: 5.11 hasn't even made it into debian unstable yet' | 23:02 |
frntz | you both gave helpful answers, I was just weighing up the likelihood I would see 5.11 (or greater would be suitable) in backports | 23:02 |
Tenkawa | frntz: ok :) cheers for now. | 23:03 |
gnarface | it seems likely at the current rate | 23:03 |
gnarface | i don't think testing is expected to freeze until next year | 23:03 |
gnarface | i could be wrong | 23:03 |
frntz | yeah, this ryzen support thing is.. well, let's just say amd needs a good kick up the ... | 23:04 |
Tenkawa | back for a few | 23:07 |
Tenkawa | no.. 5.11 is a short duration kernel | 23:07 |
Tenkawa | there will be around 40 point releases at most then it will be decommed like 5.9 was | 23:08 |
Tenkawa | probably less.. 5.9 only had 16 | 23:09 |
Tenkawa | the "stable" kernels are usually fairly shortterm | 23:09 |
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