| gnarface | sadsnork: i assume a day or two is normal, but maybe #devuan-dev or #devuan-www? | 02:24 |
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| gnarface | sadsnork: failing that, ask golinux jaromil or fsmithred maybe to put you in contact with someone | 02:25 |
| golinux | sadsnork: You need to talk to onefang | 02:26 |
| golinux | Unfortunately he does not have access to respond to mirror emails and those who do are now invisible. We've been trying to find a solution to that for several weeks but no progress | 02:28 |
| golinux | Best to try on #devuan-dev to catch him. | 02:28 |
| sadsnork | Awesome, thanks for the help gnarface and golinux :-) | 03:02 |
| onefang | sadsnork: I do have access to the mirrors@devuan.org email address, the problem is - | 03:28 |
| onefang | In Australia most of the plants are evergreens. A bit of rain, a bit of sunshine, they'll flower, they don't care about seasons. Just had lots of rain, and now lots of sunshine. So I got lots of hayfever. Been feeling shin for the last couple of days. | 03:29 |
| sadsnork | Hey onefang... no problem. Here in Canada I haven't seen most plants in four or five months. :-) | 03:31 |
| sadsnork | I mostly just wanted to make sure my message wasn't flagged as spam. It wouldn't be the first time unfortunately. | 03:31 |
| onefang | I'm processing your email now. Yay Canadian mirror! | 03:32 |
| * sadsnork cheers! | 03:33 | |
| onefang | How often do you intend to update it? | 03:36 |
| onefang | I highly recommend every 30 minutes. | 03:36 |
| sadsnork | I can do that. :-) | 03:37 |
| golinux | Ah, good that you two hooked up. onfang, I thought you didn't have admin access to the list . . . | 03:42 |
| golinux | onefang really . . . | 03:42 |
| onefang | mirrors@devuan.org is a simple email address, not the list, I have access to it. I have read and write access to the mirrors email list, but not admin access. | 03:44 |
| onefang | sadsnork: You should be able to start rsyncing your mirror now, and it's been added to the list. | 03:44 |
| onefang | This is Australia, even the plants try to kill you. lol | 03:50 |
| Xenguy | Not to mention the snakes | 03:51 |
| onefang | Everything except some of the sheep. | 03:51 |
| sadsnork | Hey onefang, I am resolving pkgmaster.devuan.org to 54.36.142.183, getting a fingerprint of SHA256:p0dv9nosuWPyE7F8gpJPZC0VGnv2J015TYzhrr4c9Rk, and receiving a "Permission denied (publickey)" message. | 03:57 |
| sadsnork | Do the IP and fingerprint look correct? | 03:57 |
| onefang | You are using your publickey? | 03:58 |
| onefang | Was there a step I skipped? lol | 03:58 |
| sadsnork | Hmmm, is it under the username vesta? I am following https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt | 03:59 |
| sadsnork | and the rsync described there is "rsync -avz vesta@pkgmaster.devuan.org:~/devuan ./" | 04:00 |
| onefang | Try now, there was a step I skipped. | 04:00 |
| onefang | Just got up, haven't had brekky yet. | 04:00 |
| sadsnork | Dang, still getting perm denied pubkey err. | 04:01 |
| * sadsnork sends onefang some extra strong coffee :-) | 04:02 | |
| onefang | Doh! TWO steps I skipped. lol | 04:04 |
| onefang | Try now. | 04:05 |
| sadsnork | BAM! | 04:06 |
| sadsnork | There it goes. :-) | 04:06 |
| onefang | Yay! | 04:06 |
| onefang | Actually there's a third step I'm missing, but that's coz I don't have admin access to the devuan-mirrors@lists.dyne.org mailing list, which is to add you to it. Still working on sorting that out. | 04:07 |
| onefang | Brekky time. | 04:07 |
| sadsnork | Since it is 11pm here [and because I shouldn't keep you from your morning coffee] my plan is to go to bed and tomorrow I'll use some local network "foolery" to test doing an install off my new server directly. | 04:07 |
| sadsnork | Then assuming it goes well I'll let you know and we can move on to whatever the next step is. how's that sound eh? | 04:08 |
| onefang | Or you can just set your sources to use your mirror directly. | 04:08 |
| onefang | Since you are now in the mirror list, apt-panopticon will be checking on your mirror to. | 04:08 |
| sadsnork | yes, I was thinking of doing that as well as poisoning my local DNS just to ensure I also got the deb.devuan.org virtal host sewtup properly too. | 04:08 |
| sadsnork | Oy! I misspelled virtual AND setup. Can you tell I need sleep? | 04:09 |
| onefang | You wont be on the DNS-RR for deb.devuan.org. | 04:09 |
| sadsnork | Do you want me to cron the rsync right now? Or can that wait for tomorrow? | 04:10 |
| onefang | Cron it now. | 04:10 |
| sadsnork | Will do. | 04:10 |
| sadsnork | Hmmm, looks like the initial rsync is going to take a while... certainly longer than the half hour interval between cron'ed attempts. I kind of don't want to let the automated syncs run just yet if it is okay. | 04:19 |
| onefang | No worries. | 04:27 |
| sadsnork | Awesome... thanks for the help, it's time for me to crash. | 04:38 |
| slacko64_27336 | Having trouble setting the correct date and time in Refracta which is based in Devuan | 10:49 |
| crashoverride | usually, when you have a userland problem with a distro, you go to #distro | 10:50 |
| crashoverride | i.e. if I have a problem with devuan, I come here, I don't go on #debian. | 10:51 |
| pandakekok9 | crashoverride: actually, according to https://www.refracta.org/resources.html, Refracta support also belongs here | 10:52 |
| slacko64_27336 | there's no refracta channel, that's why I came here | 10:52 |
| crashoverride | niiiice. | 10:53 |
| crashoverride | Wait lemme do a broken fork of devuan with promises I can't keep and defer my support here. | 10:53 |
| slacko64_27336 | when setting time zone to new york, it says 3pm wednesday instead of 3 am Thursday | 10:56 |
| crashoverride | do you have an NTP client running? | 10:56 |
| crashoverride | also have you set your timezone properly? | 10:56 |
| onefang | Refracta is made by fsmithred, who is also one of the Devuan developers, and is active in helping out in this channel. | 10:57 |
| crashoverride | onefang: now I wonder why it exists. | 10:59 |
| crashoverride | I'll check it out, please disregard what I said above regarding the irrelevance of its support here. | 11:00 |
| slacko64_27336 | I'm running Refracta in virtualbox btw | 11:00 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: Ok one question, why would you make refracta as a distro instead of a meta-package for devuan? | 11:01 |
| crashoverride | seems a little bit overkill... | 11:01 |
| crashoverride | "Hey guys, I needed to go down the stairs so I built a jetpack" | 11:01 |
| crashoverride | slacko64_27336: does your VM have network? | 11:02 |
| pandakekok9 | If I understand correctly, Refracta is like a lightweight, systemd-free alternative to Ubuntu. So if Ubuntu is to Debian, Refracta is to Devuan | 11:02 |
| slacko64_27336 | no network yet | 11:03 |
| onefang | Have you told your VM that the "BIOS" is running in UTC time, but the host is running in local time, or the other way around? | 11:04 |
| koollman | crashoverride: same as many other debian derivatives, really. Some people wanted a specific preconfigured setup and a few additional tools | 11:04 |
| crashoverride | koollman: but I mean, what's wrong with `apt-get install preconfigured-setup-package`? | 11:04 |
| koollman | crashoverride: more like adding another repo and then a few packages. But, yeah, I know. I'm just telling you why it exists, like many many other derivative distros :) | 11:05 |
| slacko64_27336 | UTC was disabled in virtualbox settings. I tried enabling it but still same result | 11:05 |
| koollman | I suppose mostly ease of use/setup | 11:05 |
| fsmithred | pandakekok9, that's not a good analogy. Ubuntu uses ubuntu repos, refracta uses devuan repos. | 11:05 |
| fsmithred | there's no way you could do an "add-on" package to make refracta. It would need to be a "take-away" package, and it would take away the metapackages. | 11:06 |
| fsmithred | which you generally can't do, so I don't try to remove them. They aren't there to start with. | 11:06 |
| fsmithred | There used to be a refracta forum but the service got bought by millenials who destroyed it. | 11:07 |
| fsmithred | tapatalk | 11:07 |
| slacko64_27336 | Refracta version is 8.3 xfce btw | 11:07 |
| crashoverride | tapatalk?! :D | 11:07 |
| fsmithred | crapatalk | 11:07 |
| fsmithred | ntpdate-debian | 11:07 |
| crashoverride | now that does not help... what do you mean? :P | 11:07 |
| fsmithred | to set your time | 11:08 |
| fsmithred | slacko64_27336, refracta is on 10 same as debian | 11:08 |
| fsmithred | refracta versions have always tracked debian versions since squeeze and sort of since lenny | 11:08 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: do you mean the refracta forum was on tapatalk and that got bought off? | 11:08 |
| pandakekok9 | fsmithred: Yeah, it seems my analogy is off there. When I think of "newbie-friendly Linux" I always think of Ubuntu | 11:09 |
| fsmithred | refracta forum was on freeforums.net and they got bought by tapatalk. | 11:09 |
| crashoverride | ah. | 11:09 |
| crashoverride | crap | 11:09 |
| crashoverride | now I get it. | 11:09 |
| fsmithred | it's still there, but I locked it so you can't post | 11:09 |
| crashoverride | Gotta love web pages that only have `javascript:void(0);` links... | 11:10 |
| fsmithred | besides being painfully ugly, they had a button on the page to "contribute money to refracta" but the money would go to them. | 11:10 |
| crashoverride | so accessible. | 11:10 |
| crashoverride | OH WOW. | 11:10 |
| crashoverride | That is so despicable... | 11:10 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 11:10 |
| fsmithred | I would get gold points | 11:11 |
| fsmithred | payer would get add-free visits to the stie | 11:11 |
| crashoverride | is that meant as an insult? | 11:11 |
| fsmithred | site | 11:11 |
| fsmithred | and if I got enough gold points, they'd let me have some cash | 11:11 |
| crashoverride | 'cause that's what I would do if I wanted to aggravate someone I hate. | 11:11 |
| crashoverride | "hey thanks for your hard work, it brings many moneys in. Now if you're a nice little boy and suck my **** I'll let you have the crumbs." | 11:12 |
| fsmithred | when you change the time, sometimes it doesn't change in the panel clock right away | 11:12 |
| crashoverride | I mean, internet is great; but some people could really stand being reminded of the feels of a good nose-pushing rapid fist movement. | 11:12 |
| fsmithred | I'm with you on that | 11:13 |
| fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata | 11:13 |
| fsmithred | ntpdate-debian | 11:13 |
| fsmithred | those should be enough to fix it | 11:13 |
| crashoverride | I was gonna detail the manual steps for doing this, eventually; but I'm glad there are tools for that ;P | 11:14 |
| onefang | slacko64_27336: no network yet | 11:14 |
| crashoverride | see, that's why people with actual proefficiency in the specific software at hand are better at helping ;D | 11:14 |
| onefang | So ntpdate wont help. | 11:14 |
| fsmithred | why not? | 11:15 |
| fsmithred | oh, for you | 11:15 |
| crashoverride | also slacko64_27336 left. | 11:15 |
| crashoverride | like, 5 minutes ago. | 11:16 |
| onefang | Coz the VM with the problem has no network to talk to NTP servers. slacko said that, and yes, just noticed they left. | 11:16 |
| crashoverride | < crashoverride> slacko64_27336: does your VM have network? | 11:16 |
| crashoverride | < slacko64_27336> no network yet | 11:16 |
| fsmithred | how many people here are having trouble setting the time? | 11:17 |
| crashoverride | just that one afaict | 11:17 |
| crashoverride | so, now, zero. | 11:17 |
| fsmithred | not you? | 11:17 |
| onefang | Just slacko. | 11:17 |
| crashoverride | no, I was initially helping. | 11:17 |
| fsmithred | oh | 11:17 |
| crashoverride | then we started helping each other :D | 11:17 |
| crashoverride | and they left. | 11:17 |
| crashoverride | #normaldayonIRC | 11:17 |
| fsmithred | I'm still on my first coffee of the day, so this is all happening too fast | 11:17 |
| onefang | crashoverride getting snarky about Refracta didn't help. lol | 11:18 |
| crashoverride | I'm only having one a day, 5hrs of sleep a night with a baby on the way in the next two weeks is definitely not enough. | 11:18 |
| djph | you'll be up to 1 an hour in 2 weeks | 11:18 |
| crashoverride | onefang: hey in my defense, I had no idea what it was and why it would be legitimate for it to send its support here. | 11:18 |
| fsmithred | so slacko is running refracta jessie. | 11:18 |
| crashoverride | djph: don't try scaring me bruh :D | 11:19 |
| fsmithred | 8.3 | 11:19 |
| djph | crashoverride: wait, first gremlin? | 11:19 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: noice. Not old 'nuf IMHO. | 11:19 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: software is like fine wine, the older, the better. | 11:19 |
| crashoverride | djph: very first. | 11:19 |
| djph | crashoverride: good times. Yeah, you'll be all over coffee / tea / favored hot drink | 11:20 |
| fsmithred | I should probably upload my last jessie build that has the archiive mirror in sources.list | 11:20 |
| crashoverride | djph: I actually have a hand-press for espresso. | 11:20 |
| djph | ... i need to learn how to spin dev1 for rpi | 11:20 |
| crashoverride | djph: takes a shitload of time to make ONE espresso, but you get full control over it. | 11:20 |
| fsmithred | arm-sdk | 11:20 |
| crashoverride | it's to espresso what assembly is to programming. | 11:20 |
| djph | fsmithred: yeah ... which I also have to learn ... | 11:21 |
| * onefang thinks coffee talk is #devuan-offtopic talk. | 11:21 | |
| crashoverride | sorry onefang, and yes. | 11:21 |
| crashoverride | onefang: tbh, baby talk too | 11:21 |
| onefang | Also true. | 11:21 |
| crashoverride | but djph isn't there so we'll go on another chan ;) | 11:21 |
| HalfMindzz | Hi | 17:40 |
| nemo | g'day | 17:50 |
| user___ | . | 18:53 |
| user___ | Did you see the ronr cloud fiasco today? https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/25/ruby_rails_code/ -- this is not directly devuan related but, is there a mitigation plan in place when "upstream" debian or it's upstream pulls some key package or changes it's license overnight? | 18:54 |
| user___ | executive summary: "This had the unfortunate effect of breaking the popular web development framework Ruby on Rails, which includes mimemagic 0.3.5 as a dependency. It also affects 172 other packages, which between them touch 577,148 different software repositories.' | 18:55 |
| user___ | That must be a record number of repos rendered unbuildable with one command. | 18:55 |
| user___ | As usual, the comments to the article are highly entertaining and scary at the same time. | 18:58 |
| user___ | well, ruby-mimemagic package is in devuan | 19:02 |
| nemo_ | So. with the new openssl thing | 19:07 |
| nemo | what's the lag on the devuan repos? | 19:07 |
| nemo | I assume it's not as soon as debian pushes | 19:08 |
| user___ | openssl has a new hole? | 19:08 |
| nemo | they warned us it was coming a few weeks ago | 19:08 |
| nemo | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26580477 | 19:08 |
| user___ | Is there a one stop (ok, 5 stop) method to get rid of all the language translation files on the system? Some packages install a lot of messages etc in 3 dozen languages, that is pollution. | 19:52 |
| user___ | nemo: I see a new (to me) openssl package for beowulf. May be older to you. | 19:54 |
| user___ | Setting up openssl (1.1.1d-0+deb10u5) | 19:54 |
| user___ | Which may be obsolete? I see references to 1.1.1k ? | 19:55 |
| user___ | So erm Beowulf is "a little" out of date? Harrumph? Backports? golinux ? fsmithred ? | 19:57 |
| user___ | I have beowulf-security and beowulf-backports in the sources.list | 19:58 |
| user___ | What gives? | 19:58 |
| user___ | I'll wait for an answer. | 19:58 |
| user___ | upstream seems to be stuck on d too, j is "unstable" ? https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/openssl | 19:59 |
| user___ | I don't like the use of the term "unstable" around a security related tool. | 20:00 |
| user___ | so Buster is on 1.1.1d-0+deb10u4 and I just got u5 installed, see above | 20:00 |
| user___ | Something is strange here. | 20:01 |
| user___ | Now I am really confused. | 20:01 |
| user___ | Ah >>nemo re your link, apparently this bug being mitigated now was introduced in 1.1.1h and does not affect 1.1.1d -- I hope I am right. | 20:03 |
| user___ | Also, the bug only affects the server side of openssl tls apparently, no concern for clients. | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | user___, u4 is in beowulf main, u5 is in beowulf-security | 20:09 |
| user___ | Well I upgraded to u5 just now, there is no further upgrade in the channel for now. | 20:10 |
| user___ | Is openssh also upgraded as a result? | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | I wouldn't think so. They are separate. | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | old is not necessarily out of date. A lot of fixes get backported. | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | plus... | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | it's debian, so old software is a feature. | 20:12 |
| user___ | fsmithred: when openssl is upgraded, will all apps linked against it's libs have to be upgraded? | 20:14 |
| user___ | Seems like not, but sometimes yes. I assume it depends on the kind of bug fixed. | 20:15 |
| fsmithred | user___, that varies. | 20:15 |
| chr[] | user___: at least u must restart applications using libssl | 20:27 |
| user___ | Yes but I am not running any servers with ssl use | 20:27 |
| user___ | Browsers etc get restarted daily at least | 20:27 |
| user___ | irssi too :) | 20:27 |
| user___ | In fact, I'll do it now | 20:28 |
| user___ | I suppose apt runs ldconfig -a by itself (/me has these things baked into his DNA since the 1990s when running Slackware) | 20:29 |
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