| gour | morning. installed devuan (ceres) on my netbook - it looks nice! slim/wicd makes it light, but wonder what is the future of wicd? if i replace it with networkmanager, iirc, i have to change slim as well, right? | 09:06 |
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| kreyren | ix.io/2VmP | 09:32 |
| kreyren | My X suddenly stopped working and I have no idea what this means u.u | 09:32 |
| kreyren | ix.io/2VmQ xorg log | 09:33 |
| * kreyren is in TTY and cant use paste.debian.org | 09:33 | |
| * kreyren is concerned it being a hardware damage as he was just in X when it suddenly stopped working | 09:34 | |
| rm | kreyren, no kernel or driver upgrades? | 09:34 |
| rm | or you mean X worked and then locked up or something | 09:35 |
| rm | and after reboot no longer works? | 09:35 |
| kreyren | <rm "Krey, no kernel or driver upgrad"> None that I know of, but I did a system updated after the failure | 09:35 |
| kreyren | <rm "and after reboot no longer works"> Yes | 09:35 |
| kreyren | <rm "or you mean X worked and then lo"> I was on X looking at email when it suddenly stopped working | 09:36 |
| kreyren | I was playing games on this system yesterday without any issues | 09:36 |
| rm | try a live USB with some GUI OS | 09:37 |
| kreyren | <rm "try a live USB with some GUI OS"> OK | 09:37 |
| kreyren | I loaded older kernel without nvidia driver in modules and it loads nouveau just fine | 09:39 |
| kreyren | Ah this is not nouveau but llvmpipe | 09:41 |
| kreyren | Checking | 09:41 |
| kreyren | Nouveau hardbricks the system.. trying the liveCD | 09:43 |
| kreyren | i can't figure out why i can't load systemrescuecd from flashdisk on this system x.x | 10:43 |
| kreyren | did `sudo dd if=systemrescue-8.01-amd64.iso.1 of=/dev/sdc status=progress`, but bios doesn't want to load it | 10:44 |
| kreyren | Boots now | 10:50 |
| kreyren | ... for some reason the BIOS thinks that the USB is a floppy drive | 10:50 |
| kreyren | Nope doesnt work even when it boots (happened once) it fails to complete init | 11:09 |
| kreyren | u.u | 11:09 |
| gnarface | is it a p3 era system or something like that? | 11:09 |
| gnarface | p2? | 11:09 |
| gnarface | if it's a very old motherboard that can only boot the usb port as a floppy, the trick is you format it as a 100MB ATA FLOPPY disk | 11:10 |
| gnarface | there is such a thing, just google it or something | 11:10 |
| gnarface | then you just need to find boot disk that fits inside 100MB | 11:10 |
| gnarface | i think the spec may have an option for 200MB even, motherboard support might not follow though | 11:11 |
| * kreyren uploaded an image: (83KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/cJueAJgOrUaiHUnALCIbeOzh/IMG_20210408_111036.jpg > | 11:11 | |
| kreyren | Also I am now getting these dots when I unload nvidia and load in the system | 11:11 |
| kreyren | <gnarface "is it a p3 era system or somethi"> No this is Z68A-D3-B3, but it has a really shitty BIOS | 11:12 |
| kreyren | u.u | 11:12 |
| gnarface | oh, well double check the flash process worked right | 11:12 |
| gnarface | i see two possible problems; you didn't run "sync" afterwards or use conv=fsync on your command-line for dd, and also that input file name... looks like it could be a firefox partial download cause of the .1 extension... | 11:13 |
| gnarface | or wget does that maybe? | 11:13 |
| kreyren | i did run sync afterwards | 11:13 |
| gnarface | might mean the file didn't finish downloading or might mean you had 2 copies on disk | 11:13 |
| kreyren | The file has been downloaded using wget x.x | 11:13 |
| kreyren | checking shasum | 11:13 |
| gnarface | sorry about the dots though, video ram has bad spots | 11:14 |
| * kreyren < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SwhoUahBJBiXQglKchaVXgEl/message.txt > | 11:14 | |
| gnarface | that's common with old nvidia cards; vendors often crippled their cooling solutions | 11:14 |
| kreyren | <gnarface "that's common with old nvidia ca"> yes this GPU has a terrible cooling for the VRAM causing it to overheat, but i have 12VDC PSU connected to the fans to it should keep it cool assuming that running on 100% all the time | 11:15 |
| kreyren | (100% fans) | 11:15 |
| kreyren | <gnarface "sorry about the dots though, vid"> also what does that mean? damaged VRAM? | 11:15 |
| gnarface | yea, looks like a textbook example of fried ram | 11:16 |
| kreyren | x.x | 11:17 |
| gnarface | seen it tons of times | 11:17 |
| kreyren | How to verify that? | 11:17 |
| gnarface | my condolences | 11:17 |
| gnarface | uh... envytools might have something | 11:17 |
| kreyren | i have an equipment to do SMD soldering and diagnostics here | 11:17 |
| gnarface | i don't know of anything like a memtest for video ram | 11:17 |
| gnarface | but corrupted pixels or font glyphs in text mode is a dead giveaway it's the video ram | 11:17 |
| kreyren | aaaaaaaaaaaa | 11:18 |
| gnarface | since it's a nvidia card you might be able to use their official dev kit - "envytools" i think it's called? i don't know much about it but maybe you can also use it to get some low-level diagnostics out of the card | 11:19 |
| gnarface | i've run into a thing where they use thermal compound that expires | 11:19 |
| gnarface | if you can actually repair it i'd also recommend making sure you clean and re-apply some better quality thermal compound | 11:20 |
| gnarface | you might get a longer lifespan out of it that way | 11:20 |
| gnarface | if the stuff is just sticky black goo after 6 months - clean that off with rubbing alcohol and use any other stuff | 11:21 |
| kreyren | where do i get the envytools? | 11:21 |
| gnarface | gotta go through nvidia official channels i think | 11:21 |
| kreyren | also the green dots dissapear when i hover around them with a cursor | 11:21 |
| gnarface | if there's a debian package for it, it would be in non-free | 11:21 |
| gnarface | with compositing, i could see how that's possible | 11:22 |
| gnarface | it might not be very much of the ram either | 11:22 |
| gnarface | if it's working at all it couldn't be | 11:22 |
| gnarface | usually just a few speckles here and there but some stuff will crash | 11:22 |
| kreyren | i am currently on it, screenshot doesn't show these and they are not visible around the cursor so that makes me think software-related? | 11:23 |
| kreyren | I would assume these being all over the screen with cursor not having an effect on it? | 11:23 |
| gnarface | i think if it is actually overheating severely it could exhibit these symptoms temporarily without being permanent damage yet but i've never seen that in real life | 11:23 |
| * kreyren uploaded an image: (29KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/kwnooWWEkgBjBSZwszwGcjuY/image.png > | 11:23 | |
| kreyren | ^ on my monitor there is bunch of green dots in this | 11:23 |
| gnarface | no my theory is the compositor's interaction with the mouse cursor is just moving that region of the display to a different part of ram | 11:24 |
| gnarface | i don't know though really i'm just speculating | 11:24 |
| kreyren | i see O.o | 11:24 |
| gnarface | in theory it could be software related i've just never seen that happen that way either | 11:24 |
| gnarface | in most cases the situation will quickly degrade over the next few days of use and then you'll know for sure | 11:25 |
| gnarface | if you find a way to memtest that vram though let me know | 11:25 |
| kreyren | windows seems to have lots of tools for VRAM checking https://www.raymond.cc/blog/having-problems-with-video-card-stress-test-its-memory/ | 11:30 |
| kreyren | https://github.com/ihaque/memtestCL#:~:text=MemtestCL%20is%20a%20program%20to,as%20the%20closed%2Dsource%20version. | 11:31 |
| kreyren | i guess? | 11:31 |
| gnarface | hmm, CL? maybe would work | 11:32 |
| kreyren | https://github.com/ihaque/memtestG80 ? | 11:33 |
| gnarface | dunno | 11:33 |
| gnarface | worty a try maybe | 11:33 |
| gnarface | you can use checkinstall if it's not debianized | 11:34 |
| * kreyren < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/slyXYXjmwPzvpTQpENmGBGLH/message.txt > | 11:35 | |
| kreyren | x.x | 11:35 |
| kreyren | checkinstall? | 11:35 |
| kreyren | found https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-installation-guide-linux/index.html | 11:38 |
| kreyren | ah nvcc is in nvidia-cuda-toolkit package | 11:55 |
| kreyren | x.x | 11:55 |
| kreyren | dlocate didn't show that u.u | 11:55 |
| kreyren | gnarface the memtestG80 works but it requires the GPU already loaded and working | 12:08 |
| kreyren | I am getting corruption on TTY too so I assume that being a VRAM failure u.u | 12:08 |
| * kreyren goes to grab GTX1080 from his inventory | 12:08 | |
| * kreyren is sad that he cant use nouveau | 12:08 | |
| tuxd3v | kreyren, does you found a way to load pascal firmware from proprietary driver for nouveau acceleration? | 20:27 |
| daimon | hey all having a minor problem I think | 21:19 |
| daimon | I need a later version of git, the latest version availible for devaun appears to be 5.20.1 I require 5.22.0 or greater | 21:20 |
| daimon | how would I go about updating to the later one, 5.20.1 is quite a few releases behind, it seems git is actually on 5.30.n at the moment (looking at their tags on github) | 21:20 |
| furrymcgee | there is git 2.29 in beowulf-backports https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=git | 21:37 |
| Antofox | test | 22:33 |
| golinux | It worked | 22:34 |
| Antofox | not on devuan-dev | 22:35 |
| Antofox | :( | 22:35 |
| golinux | Talk to parazyd. It's not an open list afaik | 22:36 |
| Antofox | oO | 22:37 |
| Antofox | since when is it closed? | 22:37 |
| golinux | For a very long time. Maybe "closed" isn't quite the right word | 22:38 |
| golinux | Mayebe your name has to be registered with freenode pr something. | 22:39 |
| golinux | I can't quite remember . . . | 22:39 |
| Antofox | ah | 22:39 |
| Antofox | strange | 22:39 |
| Antofox | I've always written there | 22:39 |
| golinux | parazyd would be the one to talk to. | 22:39 |
| Antofox | okok | 22:41 |
| Antofox | thanks | 22:41 |
| Antofox | @parazyd I've always been there | 22:43 |
| Antofox | but ok, if you don't want to go away | 22:44 |
| xrogaan | <Antofox> but ok, if you don't want to go away | 23:11 |
| xrogaan | ^---- you're joking, right? | 23:12 |
| xrogaan | so far I can see, there is no mode set on the channel to prevent unregistered users from joining or talking. | 23:13 |
| xrogaan | there is a quiet mode on '$~a' though, which is probably for non-registered users. | 23:15 |
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