| holycow | hi guys | 00:29 |
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| holycow | i just learned that debian leadership signed the anti rms letter | 00:30 |
| holycow | i am wondering if devuan has a social conduct policy | 00:31 |
| holycow | just curious if the leadership of the project is left, right or neither and just pro freedom | 00:31 |
| fsmithred | holycow, anyone in the devuan community, including users, maintainers, developers, innocent bystanders is entitled to his or her own opinion and actions. And that's probably the closest thing to an official policy you'll see. | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | If you really wan to elicit discussion about this, please take it to #debianfork or #devuan-offtopic. We like to reserve this channel for support. | 00:46 |
| brocashelm | i almost read that in a melodramatic tone, lol | 00:47 |
| golinux | The vote results haven't happened yet. That happens tomorrow | 00:50 |
| fsmithred | is it one of those multi-answer votes, or is it simple mob rule? | 00:51 |
| kiwi9 | What about taking this to devuan-offtopic --- although the conversation did cause me to add 1 to the mob vote it isn't support or tech. | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | sorry (blush) | 00:53 |
| holycow | hello again, sorry keyboard problem | 00:54 |
| holycow | okay thank you kindly for the feedback! | 00:54 |
| holycow | no, I DO NOT want to discuss it | 00:54 |
| holycow | if no policy do as you wish is the best we can get THEN ITS PERFECT | 00:54 |
| holycow | i've been dragging my feet on moving over to devuan, this is the final straw for me | 00:55 |
| holycow | thanks to everyone here and beyond for working to protect freedom | 00:55 |
| gast0n | What tool is being used as a network manager in the alpha version of Chimaera? | 01:39 |
| fsmithred | gast0n, I'm not sure what's getting pulled in, but I was planning on using network-manager in the desktop-live isos | 01:48 |
| systemdlete2 | anyone here familiar with fx8350 floating point bug(s)? I am asking BEFORE I submit a bug to a cpan distro which could involve such things. | 01:59 |
| systemdlete2 | Or, conversely, anyone aware of any float bugs with the kernel itself? | 02:00 |
| systemdlete2 | I'm trying to avoid another foot-in-mouth moment... | 02:01 |
| * systemdlete2 wanders off to check on perl floating point issues... | 02:04 | |
| gnarface | systemdlete2: i'm not familiar with any such issues off the top of my head but try installing amd64-microcode from non-free. if there is actually a glitch in the chip's hardware itself, that's where they would have put a fix | 02:04 |
| systemdlete2 | thanks gnarface! | 02:05 |
| gnarface | (also carries the specture/meltdown patches though too, so you may lose some performance, though not as much as the Intel counterparts do, so there's that at least...) | 02:05 |
| gnarface | i think you'll need to reboot for that package to be actually used but i'm not sure | 02:06 |
| systemdlete2 | I think I might already have those, but I'll double check anyway | 02:06 |
| gnarface | if you didn't, i think you might notice at most a ~10% performance hit for certain corner cases | 02:07 |
| systemdlete2 | turns out that I don't have it installed on that VM. Doing it now | 02:08 |
| gnarface | hmm, on the vm... for that package, i wonder if it matters that it is in the vm or not as long as the host has it though? that's one i don't know the answer to though | 02:08 |
| gnarface | maybe make sure you have firmware-linux-free, too. but it's rare for that one to be omitted accidentally | 02:09 |
| systemdlete2 | I have firmware-linux-free already. And you were right; I will have to reboot | 02:15 |
| systemdlete2 | a bit of a nuisance, now that my desktop is all configured the way I want. | 02:15 |
| systemdlete2 | Can I save my open windows somehow (titles and cwd's)? | 02:16 |
| systemdlete2 | xfce, but I am using mate terminals | 02:16 |
| gnarface | hmmm, there are numerous ways but if you can use built-in xfce startup features that is the best probably | 02:19 |
| gnarface | there should be some way to make it try to save your session automatically | 02:19 |
| systemdlete2 | I do, but... ah well | 02:19 |
| systemdlete2 | it's just a nuisance, that's all | 02:19 |
| systemdlete2 | In xfce settings manager, "Automatically save settings on logout" checkbox. Thanks | 02:23 |
| crashoverride | golinux: did you leave #devuan-offtopic | 05:00 |
| crashoverride | ? | 05:00 |
| golinux | crashoverride: Obviously. Moved on to sometime more rewarding | 05:24 |
| crashoverride | golinux: look, it seemed that my reaction was inappropriately harsh and rushed. Please accept my apologies and come back on #devuan-offtopic. :) | 05:32 |
| golinux | Thank you. Perhaps a lesson learned? | 05:33 |
| crashoverride | Well, I'm not sure. You're too much of an outlier on IRC to be reasonably useful input data. But I'll certainly make an exception :P | 05:34 |
| gour | hello, by the wisdom acquired here, i did ceres --> chimaera move to settle on (more) stable releases...now i had to do some manual work to resolve firefox --> firefox-esr downgrade, but wonder if anyone can think about some similar package which might differ in unstable vs stable releases? | 13:57 |
| inle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP9KWQ8hAYk | 14:04 |
| inle | Surprisingly calming and nice. | 14:04 |
| inle | Pardon, that's the wrong channel. | 14:05 |
| inle | In fact, it's the wrong the wrong network. | 14:05 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Hi | 19:00 |
| gnarface | I_am_nobody777: if you have any questions just ask and try to be patient, it can be a slow channel | 19:03 |
| I_am_nobody777 | I've a minimal live devuan uefi image . I was hoping to do a minimal "chimaera" install with debootstrap , I've updated debian keyring , debootstrap , ca-certificates in the live system , but there is no chimaera script in debootstrap scripts directory . | 19:04 |
| I_am_nobody777 | gnarface: ok , | 19:06 |
| gnarface | you need a recent enough version of debootstrap | 19:07 |
| gnarface | i think the one from chimera and ceres are the same on but the beowulf one may be to old now | 19:08 |
| gnarface | and the debian one still won't work either i don't think | 19:08 |
| I_am_nobody777 | gnarface: So , I changed the source list to chimaera in the live system , synced the repo , updated the necessary packages (debian-keyring , debian-archive-keyring , debootstrap) and now the chimaera script exists , and debootstraping now . Thanks . | 19:14 |
| fsmithred | debootstrap in beowulf-backports has chimaera | 19:21 |
| I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: Hi , thanks for the info , but I just finished debootstraping . | 19:23 |
| rwp | I also think that a minimum debootstrap is small and targeted enough that a beowulf bootstrap and then immediate upgrade to chimaera is the same as a chimaera bootstrap. | 19:42 |
| rwp | I guess I should test that theory since it is easy enough to do and then I will know if I am spouting nonsense or not... | 19:42 |
| rwp | Looking in Beowulf I find that Chimaera can be debootstrap'd using "testing" as the alias name with no problem. | 20:16 |
| rwp | The only thing needed to enable "chimaera" as a name is top create a symlink: ln -s ceres /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/chimaera | 20:17 |
| rwp | Or simply use the "testing" name for installation as it is the same at this point. Then for long term use modify sources.list to use the "chimaera" suite name. | 20:18 |
| rwp | I also highly recommend applying one of the fsync() patches for performance from: https://bugs.debian.org/700633 | 20:21 |
| I_am_nobody777 | rwp: Thanks for your insight , but for now I am all set . | 20:37 |
| rwp | Happy to hear you are good to go I_am_nobody777! All good! However if you are asking then there will be many others asking the same questions too. | 20:44 |
| rwp | I use debootstrap frequently and it is worthwhile for me to know some of these details about it. | 20:44 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Good , Thanks . | 20:49 |
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