| unixbsd | hi guys | 00:39 |
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| unixbsd | I made a little devuan live, with BSD on it as well, on small size : https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/pcmedkit/ it runs devuan ascii. | 00:39 |
| unixbsd | (to ramdisk of course) | 00:39 |
| unixbsd | please find a minimal devuan to ramdisk, with netbsd as a grub boot loader: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/devuan-live-ramdisk/-/blob/master/release/ascii/amd64/devuan-live-ramdisk-amd64-ascii-tiny-stable-v1.img.gz | 09:50 |
| luser979 | unixbsd: no license, all rights reserved?? | 13:05 |
| guest94 | Hi, can anyone help with installing Nvidia Drivers or compatible ones? | 13:56 |
| xrogaan | nouveau? | 14:01 |
| xrogaan | guest94: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and whatever nvidia blob you need for you hardware | 14:02 |
| xrogaan | or is nouveau the opensource version? | 14:03 |
| xrogaan | I don't know. There's probably a wiki somewhere to help you. | 14:03 |
| guest94 | so far I've only found wikis/tutorials for debian, and only some specific problem discussions on devuan | 14:04 |
| guest94 | also I can only see this NVIDIA Corporation GP108 through terminal commands, is it enough to find which drivers are needed? | 14:05 |
| debdog | guest94: lspci | grep -i vga | 14:07 |
| guest94 | still only this: VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP108 (rev a1) | 14:08 |
| guest94 | guess I'll open the pc:p | 14:08 |
| onefang | Nouveau the opensource and reverse engineered version. | 14:09 |
| debdog | I'd try package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia first and make sure the module is actually in use (after a reboot) | 14:11 |
| guest79 | so just getting nouveau should work? | 14:16 |
| onefang | If all you want is basic graphics support, yes. | 14:17 |
| guest79 | I'd like to run some games, gimp etc | 14:18 |
| Ionic | I'd like to use the new predictable network names with eudev, but net.ifnames=1 doesn't seem to help - did I miss anything? | 14:18 |
| gnarface | did you forget to re-run update-grub? | 14:19 |
| Ionic | There's no /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-names... file that might override the default one, so that's not it either. | 14:19 |
| Ionic | No, the kernel parameter is definitely passed | 14:19 |
| gnarface | it shows up in /proc/cmdline? | 14:20 |
| Ionic | Yep | 14:20 |
| gnarface | i dunno then | 14:20 |
| gnarface | it's beowulf, and you're fully updated? | 14:20 |
| Ionic | Yes and yes :) | 14:21 |
| Ionic | And yes | 14:21 |
| guest79 | what would be more than "basic graphics support"? also, is this the right guide for devuan + nouveau https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/DebianInstall.html ? | 14:21 |
| Ionic | I just migrated the machine from Debian Buster to Devuan Beowulf a few hours ago | 14:22 |
| Ionic | (I just guess that this feature is not widely used by Devuan, so it might be broken) | 14:22 |
| gnarface | very possible | 14:24 |
| gnarface | guest79: no, that's probably not necessary | 14:24 |
| gnarface | guest79: if the beowulf-backports kernel doesn't have the support you need it probably won't help to update to their git version | 14:25 |
| guest79 | I'm a complete noob here, so this doesn't make much sense | 14:26 |
| gnarface | guest79: well, if you look at this chart though, you can figure out what works on your card: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html | 14:26 |
| guest79 | first time without windows | 14:26 |
| gnarface | guest79: run this command and paste me the output: lspci |grep -i vga | 14:26 |
| guest79 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP108 (rev a1) | 14:27 |
| Ionic | It's a Pascal-based card, so those should be supported by Nouveau | 14:27 |
| Ionic | (i.e., 10xx series) | 14:28 |
| guest79 | it should be geforce gt 10XX yes | 14:28 |
| gnarface | the chart says it lacks power management, sli mode, dual-link dvi support and hardware video decoding | 14:28 |
| Ionic | If you want to run games and have proper clocking support, you'll need to use the blob driver | 14:29 |
| Ionic | Which also included power management | 14:29 |
| gnarface | nouveau also says "WIP" for "compute" which i assume means cuda isn't gonna work either | 14:29 |
| Ionic | Yeah, likely not | 14:30 |
| gnarface | yea, i would use the binary drivers for that card unless you have a principled issue against them | 14:30 |
| Ionic | It shouldn't be difficult to use nvidia's driver anyway | 14:30 |
| gnarface | it should be easy but he'll probably need the backports kernel too | 14:31 |
| Ionic | 460 within non-backports isn't all that old | 14:32 |
| gnarface | guest79: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers | 14:32 |
| Ionic | Err, 460 is in backports, 418 the non-backports version | 14:32 |
| guest79 | I don't mind not having full open source system, at least for now. I like the idea but still filling overwhealmed.. so something that works is acceptable | 14:32 |
| gnarface | Ionic: it isn't, but it's too old for the 1060 so i assume it's too old for that one too | 14:32 |
| guest79 | feeling* | 14:32 |
| Ionic | 418 isn't too old for the 10xx series | 14:33 |
| gnarface | guest79: well it looks like the biggest risk is games won't work, or at least won't work as fast as they should | 14:33 |
| gnarface | Ionic: then it's the kernel. it won't work though | 14:33 |
| guest79 | this card should be a 2015 model | 14:33 |
| gnarface | guest79: with power management not working, it'll be probably locked into the lowest clock speed | 14:33 |
| Ionic | guest79: did you install the nvidia-driver and firmware-misc-nonfree packages? | 14:34 |
| Ionic | gnarface: nope, highest clock speed, sadly. | 14:34 |
| Ionic | So it'll run hot more often than not | 14:34 |
| guest79 | I've installed nothing so far besides headers, build essentials and wine (which I'm not sure is fully working since it lacks an interface (though I can run programs with commands) | 14:35 |
| gnarface | Ionic: do you know for a fact that's the case with this card? it's uniformly rare across the model sets. almost non-existent issue. i think ONE model from a much earlier generation did that. the bigger issue is if you manually up the clock speed, the fans don't follow.... | 14:35 |
| Ionic | gnarface: I might be off on that one, though I remember that without reclocking support, Pascal cards stayed on the highest clock rate. Might be wrong, In any case, I wouldn't recommend nouveau for any card past Maxwell. | 14:37 |
| guest79 | most of my games/software are a bit to very older than the hardware if this helps | 14:37 |
| gnarface | guest79: the debian instructions for installing nvidia official binary drivers are still valid for devuan, as is the instructions for using backports if you need them (i do still think you will for the kernel AND the nvidia drivers for that card, but Ionic does not think so) | 14:38 |
| Ionic | I definitely have used the 418 version with a 1070 a few years ago. :) | 14:38 |
| gnarface | guest79: just make sure you replace their use of "buster" in the examples with "beowulf" obviously, and use the devuan hostnames, etc | 14:38 |
| gnarface | Ionic: you sure that wasn't on windows? they do get hardware support in earlier versions frequently | 14:39 |
| Ionic | The thing to do, really, is just to include the "contrib" and "non-free" suites to the sources list and installing the mentioned packages. | 14:39 |
| gnarface | Ionic: though, now that i'm thinking about it more, it might have been because the 1060 was a 6G version | 14:39 |
| Ionic | gnarface: absolutely, I'm almost never using/booting Windows, other than for updating it every 6 months or so. | 14:40 |
| Ionic | (And today, it finally pays off to be lazy and not clean my nvidia-drivers Gentoo ebuild archive...) | 14:41 |
| guest79 | so the commands should be deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib non-free | 14:49 |
| guest79 | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main contrib non-free | 14:49 |
| Ionic | security doesn't have those IIRC | 14:50 |
| Ionic | But otherwise yeah | 14:50 |
| gnarface | i think it does | 14:50 |
| gnarface | i always put them down on every line when i'm using them anyway | 14:51 |
| guest79 | i found those for ASCII and replaced it with beowulf | 14:51 |
| gnarface | should work but you're missing one | 14:51 |
| guest79 | which one? | 14:51 |
| gnarface | beowulf-updates | 14:51 |
| gnarface | (previously called "volatile" i think) | 14:52 |
| guest79 | like this deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates ? | 14:52 |
| gnarface | ... main contrib non-free | 14:52 |
| gnarface | just like the other 2 | 14:52 |
| Ionic | Yeah, volatile was renamed to updates | 14:52 |
| guest79 | ok let's see | 14:53 |
| gnarface | "apt-get update && apt-get --no-install-recommends upgrade" | 14:53 |
| guest79 | it tried the first one and got this bash: deb: command not found | 14:54 |
| gnarface | you're supposed to be editing your /etc/apt/sources.list file with these lines. these aren't shell commands | 14:54 |
| guest79 | oh ok | 14:54 |
| gnarface | and that's not different from debian, just fyi | 14:55 |
| gnarface | only thing that was changed was the urls | 14:55 |
| guest79 | add new lines or replace the equivalent ones? | 14:57 |
| gnarface | replace | 14:57 |
| Ionic | You'll essentially just have to add "contrib non-free" everywhere | 14:57 |
| Ionic | For non-commented out lines, anyway | 14:58 |
| gnarface | well, depending on how the install was done we don't know the exact state of that file on his system | 14:58 |
| gnarface | guest79: here, to avoid any confusion, just change it to exactly this, remove everything else: https://paste.debian.net/1196996/ | 14:58 |
| guest79 | my file also includes backports | 15:00 |
| gnarface | oh, that's fine | 15:00 |
| gnarface | well | 15:00 |
| gnarface | comment backports out for now | 15:00 |
| guest79 | ok | 15:00 |
| gnarface | you comment a line out by adding a "#" to the beginning of it, just to be clear | 15:00 |
| Ionic | But if he already uses backports, he'll might also have the backports kernel | 15:01 |
| gnarface | hmm | 15:01 |
| gnarface | guest79: what does "uname -a" say? | 15:01 |
| gnarface | guest79: you added backports because i mentioned it, right? you didn't use it yet? or did you? | 15:01 |
| guest79 | it either was there or got there by installing headers, essentials or wine | 15:03 |
| guest79 | Linux devuan 4.19.0-14-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.171-2 (2021-01-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 15:03 |
| gnarface | guest79: well, it isn't something you generally want to pull down everything from. usually you just want to get one or two things then disable it again | 15:03 |
| gnarface | guest79: never fear, you didn't get the backports kernel yet | 15:03 |
| gnarface | guest79: maybe it didn't get used | 15:03 |
| Ionic | backports don't get used unless explicitly selected/installed | 15:04 |
| gnarface | guest79: you'll know though if the update fails because you have newer packages already | 15:04 |
| guest79 | ok so just comment them out then? | 15:04 |
| gnarface | yea, go with that for the first try | 15:04 |
| Ionic | You can safely leave backports enabled. To install packages from backports, you'll need apt-get -t backports ... to actually fetch those packages. Otherwise, they are ignored. | 15:05 |
| gnarface | and fyi it is normal for wine to have not GUI; check out the commands: regedit, winecfg, and "wine control" | 15:05 |
| gnarface | Ionic: until there's a bug in some package like wine | 15:05 |
| gnarface | Ionic: i've had that go bad on me. i'd leave it disabled | 15:05 |
| Ionic | Did that ever happen? | 15:05 |
| guest79 | should i save sources with something else? with mousepad i get permition denied | 15:06 |
| gnarface | Ionic: it might have been a winehq wine package, and it might have been on debian unstable, but it happened | 15:06 |
| gnarface | guest79: you need to be the user root | 15:06 |
| gnarface | guest79: it shouldn't matter which text editor you use | 15:06 |
| gnarface | Ionic: actually i think it had to do with nvidia drivers and colord | 15:07 |
| gnarface | Ionic: (which i thereafter made sure not to include from contrib) | 15:08 |
| guest79 | hmm, do I have to open it as root somehow? because I'm root at terminal atm | 15:08 |
| Ionic | Then use a text editor like nano, which should be easy to use | 15:08 |
| gnarface | guest79: yea, try nano. i've never heard of mousepad | 15:08 |
| Ionic | gnarface: yeah, they possibly can conflict | 15:09 |
| guest79 | seems read only in both mousepad (default) and libre, the two ones included by default | 15:11 |
| gnarface | guest79: well, the bottom line is that it shouldn't use backports until you install the first thing from there manually, but it is safe to try it with backports commented out. if the update fails just uncomment and try again | 15:11 |
| gnarface | guest79: "ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list" | 15:11 |
| Ionic | Don't use libreoffice for editing such text files! | 15:11 |
| gnarface | what does it say? | 15:11 |
| gnarface | well, it won't matter if you use libreoffice as long as you actually save it as a plain text file. it has to be a plain text file, not a document format | 15:12 |
| Ionic | Yeah, but it's easy to overwrite it as an RTF file or such | 15:12 |
| gnarface | yea, but i suspect a more fundamental issue here | 15:12 |
| gnarface | guest79: did you use the live installer? | 15:13 |
| guest79 | libre actually tries to save a new file, and at that step doesn't see the original in the folder.. mousepad says permition denied in a pop up | 15:13 |
| guest79 | yup live installer | 15:13 |
| gnarface | you remembered to remove the disk when you rebooted, right? | 15:13 |
| guest79 | yup | 15:13 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 15:14 |
| guest79 | should i just get nano and try? | 15:14 |
| gnarface | show me the output of this: ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:14 |
| Ionic | You won't be able to modify that file with a GUI text editor since you're not root in the GUI | 15:14 |
| gnarface | you should be able to change the file though | 15:14 |
| guest79 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 506 Mar 26 01:49 /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:14 |
| gnarface | with any program launched from a root terminal | 15:14 |
| gnarface | nothing is weird about that output | 15:15 |
| Ionic | Yeah, but I guess that he just tries to open it directly in the GUI, not from the root terminal | 15:15 |
| guest79 | I did an installation with user/root combined or some equivalent option if this helps | 15:15 |
| gnarface | guest79: yes, get nano, try it from the root terminal | 15:16 |
| gnarface | guest79: the one where it says "root" when you run the command "whoami" | 15:16 |
| guest79 | yeah i'm root already there:) | 15:18 |
| guest79 | sudo apt-get install nano? | 15:18 |
| gnarface | sudo won't be necessary if you're already root | 15:18 |
| guest79 | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) | 15:19 |
| guest79 | E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it? | 15:19 |
| gnarface | you can only be running one at a time | 15:20 |
| guest79 | one of what? | 15:20 |
| gnarface | apt-get | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | or synaptic | 15:20 |
| guest79 | oh yeah synaptic was open | 15:21 |
| * fsmithred waits to see if nano installs | 15:21 | |
| fsmithred | if so, I want to know how you avoided it | 15:22 |
| Ionic | It's probably already installed | 15:22 |
| guest79 | it is | 15:22 |
| guest79 | root@devuan:/home/devuan# apt-get install nano | 15:22 |
| guest79 | Reading package lists... Done | 15:22 |
| guest79 | Building dependency tree | 15:22 |
| guest79 | Reading state information... Done | 15:22 |
| guest79 | nano is already the newest version (3.2-3). | 15:22 |
| guest79 | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: | 15:22 |
| guest79 | mokutil shim-helpers-amd64-signed shim-signed shim-signed-common | 15:22 |
| guest79 | shim-unsigned | 15:22 |
| guest79 | Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. | 15:22 |
| guest79 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 98 not upgraded. | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | nononono | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | multiple lines may get you auto-kicked out of the channel | 15:22 |
| guest79 | yeah i got a notice | 15:23 |
| gnarface | use paste.debian.net, there's no ads | 15:23 |
| gnarface | for future pastes | 15:23 |
| guest79 | ok | 15:24 |
| gnarface | nano usage instructions are printed at the bottom of the nano window | 15:24 |
| gnarface | it will run in the terminal | 15:24 |
| guest79 | seems i had nano, is it without interface? | 15:24 |
| gnarface | it doesn't have any gui, you have to run it in the terminal | 15:24 |
| gnarface | it has a text based interface | 15:24 |
| fsmithred | a lovely one, at that. Instructions are at the bottom of the screen. | 15:25 |
| guest79 | ok one question before more on nano:) | 15:26 |
| guest79 | when I get such things in terminal: | 15:26 |
| guest79 | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: | 15:26 |
| Ionic | That's just packages without a dependency, ignore that for now | 15:26 |
| guest79 | should i Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. ? | 15:27 |
| gnarface | i like "apt-get --purge autoremove" | 15:27 |
| Ionic | You could, but this set of packages is actually needed for UEFI secure boot | 15:27 |
| guest79 | ok.. lazy and useful, i like it | 15:27 |
| gnarface | hmm, well you wouldn't want to remove anything it needs to boot... | 15:28 |
| Ionic | He's probably not using secure boot, but I wonder what was removed so that the UEFI shim packages are to be uninstalled | 15:28 |
| Ionic | I'd say "ignore it for now" | 15:28 |
| gnarface | guest79: i dunno if they're actually needed or not. it's safe to leave it in place for now. | 15:29 |
| gnarface | guest79: if you manually install them each the warning would also disappear | 15:29 |
| fsmithred | maybe grub-efi-amd64-signed was removed. | 15:29 |
| guest79 | ok should I now paste the sources.list in nano and save? | 15:30 |
| gnarface | yes | 15:30 |
| Ionic | Modify it there | 15:30 |
| Ionic | nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:30 |
| guest79 | write all of the above instead of nano in terminal? | 15:31 |
| gnarface | ? | 15:32 |
| guest79 | i mean this: nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:32 |
| gnarface | yes, that tells it to open starting with that file | 15:32 |
| fsmithred | FTR, grub-efi-amd64-signed was removed in the build. | 15:33 |
| gnarface | is it supposed to be missing? | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | yeah, so you can boot the live iso | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | so you get a grub menu, actually | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | $prefix is wrong | 15:34 |
| guest79 | I think i did a efi/esp or whatever it's called installation | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | if you're getting a boot menu, you don't have the problem I'm talking about | 15:34 |
| guest79 | you mean the one that auto loads in a few seconds right? | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | yes | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | should say "Devuan...something" | 15:36 |
| guest79 | y | 15:36 |
| guest79 | ok now nano reads like this https://paste.debian.net/1197001/ | 15:40 |
| gnarface | looks right | 15:41 |
| gnarface | do an update and upgrade now first to make sure you're current | 15:41 |
| gnarface | then it should be safe to proceed with the nvidia driver install and reboot | 15:41 |
| gnarface | actually | 15:42 |
| gnarface | you should have done the update before you enabled non-free | 15:42 |
| gnarface | don't do it now | 15:42 |
| guest79 | first, how to i save/replace the new info from nano? | 15:42 |
| gnarface | it should say right in the bottom of the window | 15:42 |
| gnarface | i think it's ctrl W or something like that | 15:42 |
| Ionic | Ctrl-O to write out | 15:43 |
| Ionic | Ctrl-X to exit | 15:43 |
| guest79 | so maybe update before doing that? | 15:43 |
| gnarface | well | 15:43 |
| gnarface | here's what i'd do | 15:43 |
| gnarface | i'd run an update first with the sources exactly like you have them except without " contrib non-free" | 15:44 |
| gnarface | then when i was sure the free parts of the system were fully upgraded, i'd add " contrib non-free" back on to all the lines then install *only* the nvidia-drivers from non-free | 15:44 |
| gnarface | that's just me though | 15:44 |
| gnarface | i like to reduce the amount of bloat that gets tied on | 15:45 |
| guest79 | ok apt update right? | 15:45 |
| gnarface | update then upgrade | 15:45 |
| gnarface | add --no-install-recommends to reduce bloat | 15:45 |
| gnarface | oh, apt may have a different syntax | 15:46 |
| gnarface | here's the syntax i'm familiar with: apt-get update && apt-get --no-install-recommends upgrade | 15:46 |
| gnarface | there's a bunch of ways to do this | 15:46 |
| guest79 | ok finished. Pressing Ctrl-O will update/write out the file in nano nomatter where I have the "cursor"? | 15:50 |
| gnarface | i don't know that for sure | 15:51 |
| gnarface | but nano will tell you if it saved | 15:51 |
| Ionic | The cursor will be on the write-out line | 15:52 |
| Ionic | You'll have to accept the file name by pressing enter | 15:53 |
| guest79 | write out line = the last line I want to include? | 15:53 |
| gnarface | i think you might not be actually reading the bottom of the nano window | 15:54 |
| Ionic | No, if you press Ctrl-O, it'll ask you as what file name to save it, right? | 15:54 |
| Ionic | At the bottom, right | 15:54 |
| guest79 | yes | 15:54 |
| guest79 | I'm just confused with the terminology | 15:54 |
| Ionic | "File Name to Write: ..." | 15:54 |
| Ionic | So, that should already be /etc/apt/sources.list | 15:55 |
| Ionic | The only thing you have to do is to press enter to accept that | 15:55 |
| guest79 | yup, plus new things including format, append/prepend | 15:55 |
| guest79 | ok | 15:55 |
| Ionic | That modes that you could toggle, but don't do that | 15:56 |
| guest79 | ok it updated correctly:) | 15:56 |
| Ionic | And once it's written, you can exit via Ctrl-X | 15:56 |
| guest79 | so now a new update/upgrade or just the drivers? | 15:57 |
| gnarface | just the drivers | 15:58 |
| gnarface | in theory you should be already upgraded because it is a fresh install... | 15:58 |
| Ionic | You'll have to update the local cache via apt-get update first, then install the drivers | 15:58 |
| Ionic | The "update" operation merely synchronizes the apt cache, it won't update any packages | 15:58 |
| guest79 | meaning it checks my system/software status or something? | 15:59 |
| gnarface | no it just fetches a fresh packages index from the repos | 16:00 |
| fsmithred | 'apt update' will also tell you if there are upgrades available | 16:00 |
| guest79 | gnarface you think the drivers might be already downloaded (or installed?) Ionic that I should get them? | 16:03 |
| Ionic | Why would they already be installed? Did you refresh your package index yet? | 16:04 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: the live installer doesn't include the nvidia non-free drivers, does it? | 16:04 |
| fsmithred | nope. just nouveau | 16:04 |
| fsmithred | some non-free firmware, too | 16:05 |
| gnarface | guest79: it won't install them twice. if you try, it will just tell you they're already current. | 16:05 |
| guest79 | so what should I type to check? | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | firmware-misc-nonfree is included along with amd-graphics and most of the wireless firmware | 16:06 |
| Ionic | Just go ahead and install them via apt-get install nvidia-driver once the package index is updated | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | oh, firmware-linux-nonfree also | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | I take it back, those two are not included. Not sure why I commented them out. | 16:07 |
| guest79 | package index = what we did in nano? | 16:08 |
| Ionic | No, package index = what "apt-get update" updates | 16:08 |
| guest79 | oh ok | 16:08 |
| Ionic | fsmithred: for legal reasons, I guess? | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | it's not a problem with those | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | just some of the broadcoms and one intel that requires explicit agreement | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | the broadcoms require a network connection to get the necessary network drivers | 16:09 |
| Ionic | Urgh | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | and the broadcom license says that if I include the drivers, I get to pay their legal expenses if they get sued. | 16:10 |
| guest79 | ok it said they conflict with nouveau and easiest fix is reboot, I guess do that and then they shoulod be loaded? | 16:11 |
| Ionic | Yep, if it actually installed correctly, rebooting will get rid of nouveau | 16:11 |
| fsmithred | does nvidia still require xorg.conf? | 16:12 |
| Ionic | Frankly, I don't know. I've never not used an xorg.conf | 16:12 |
| Ionic | "Modern Debian packages for the NVIDIA driver should not require you to do anything listed here as they handle this automatically during installation" | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | cool | 16:13 |
| guest79 | I think it was mentioned when downloading the nvidia driver files, but now terminal is in package configuration and I can't look back | 16:13 |
| Ionic | The postinstall scripts should have taken care of that | 16:14 |
| guest79 | or don't know how:p | 16:14 |
| guest79 | anyway I'll reboot and return soon | 16:14 |
| Ionic | + they also blacklisted nouveau | 16:14 |
| guest79 | actually after the package configuration screen | 16:16 |
| guest79 | i got those: | 16:16 |
| guest79 | WARNING: The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries | 16:17 |
| guest79 | nor crypto modules. If that's on purpose, you may want to uninstall the | 16:17 |
| guest79 | 'cryptsetup-initramfs' package in order to disable the cryptsetup initramfs | 16:17 |
| guest79 | integration and avoid this warning. | 16:17 |
| guest79 | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin for module nouveau | 16:17 |
| guest79 | Errors were encountered while processing: | 16:17 |
| guest79 | nvidia-persistenced | 16:17 |
| guest79 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 16:17 |
| Ionic | Uh, that's not good | 16:18 |
| Ionic | Execute "apt-get install -f", let's see if that gives insights | 16:18 |
| Ionic | Not having nvidia-persistenced working isn't a huge problem in itself, but I don't know what other packages may not be fully configured | 16:19 |
| guest36 | https://paste.debian.net/1197004/ | 16:21 |
| Ionic | Oh, that's alright, nvidia-persistenced won't be able to start unless you reboot | 16:22 |
| guest36 | yeah that's what I was about to ask | 16:22 |
| Ionic | You should run apt-get install -f after a reboot, though, to fully configure this package | 16:22 |
| ham5urg | Has anyone copied email from an imap-server to another one? What is your tool of choice? | 16:23 |
| guest12 | still same error after reboot | 16:26 |
| guest12 | anyway thanks for all the help so far everyone, I'll return later | 16:27 |
| debdog | how do I open password (probably userpassword) protected pdf files? I have the password but non of the readers (I've tried so far: evince, xpdf, qpdfview) are able to open it. | 16:46 |
| debdog | file says: PDF document, version 1.7 | 16:46 |
| debdog | the pdf itself seems ok, an older acrobat version on my windows system is able to | 16:47 |
| debdog | and, I need an easy solution so my dad is able to manage it (Beowulf) | 16:48 |
| debdog | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/removing-password-from-pdf-on-linux/ "Evince is a PDF document viewer capable of displaying password protected files..." hum | 16:50 |
| Ionic | debdog: in my experience, evince/atril can open password-protected files. Maybe they can't handle the mechanism of your particular file, though. | 17:53 |
| Ionic | Regarding my predictable network names issue: net.ifnames=1 should turn that on alright... the problem seems to be that for my virtio_net device, ID_NET_NAME_SLOT isn't set by eudev, so the device is not renamed. systemd's udev does set it (to ens3 on that machine), but I don't feel like debugging why eudev fails to fetch the slot index correctly. | 17:56 |
| debdog | o dice with atril either | 18:01 |
| debdog | *no dice with atril either | 18:02 |
| Ionic | Yeah, atril is just an evince fork, so that's to be expected | 18:02 |
| debdog | ahh | 18:02 |
| Ionic | And both are descendents from... xpdf, I believe? | 18:02 |
| debdog | no success with AdobeReader_deu-8.1.7-1.i386.deb either. | 18:03 |
| Ionic | Adobe stopped distributing Linux versions a long time ago :/ | 18:04 |
| debdog | yah, that one is more than 10 years old. | 18:04 |
| debdog | and AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i386linux_enu.deb also complains | 18:05 |
| Ionic | You might be able to remove the password using qpdf | 18:08 |
| debdog | uhoh, now the browser hangs while opening www.adobe.com; I _really_ hate their shit | 18:08 |
| Ionic | Or pdftk | 18:09 |
| Ionic | qpdf -password=... -decrypt file.pdf decrypted.pdf or pdftk file.pdf input_pw ... output decrypted.pdf | 18:10 |
| Ionic | If neither work, your only option seems to be using Adobe Reader through wine :/ | 18:10 |
| debdog | thanks, its man page is not as verbouse | 18:10 |
| debdog | -u | 18:10 |
| debdog | wohoo that worked | 18:12 |
| Ionic | Via which tool? | 18:12 |
| debdog | qpdf -password=... -decrypt | 18:12 |
| Ionic | Ah, qpdf | 18:12 |
| debdog | now I just have to find a way to make dadfriendly :P | 18:12 |
| Ionic | I would have placed my bets on pdftk | 18:12 |
| debdog | now the question is, why can tools do so but the gui thingies not? don't they use the same libs? | 18:13 |
| Ionic | Oh no, those are completely different, independent implementations | 18:14 |
| debdog | ahh | 18:14 |
| Ionic | It's weird that Adobe Reader wasn't able to decrypt it, but maybe the mechanism is just too new for these old versions | 18:14 |
| debdog | right | 18:15 |
| debdog | still interesting that qpdf works but qpdfview does not | 18:16 |
| Ionic | Oh, that's really weird | 18:16 |
| debdog | "Error: Incorrect password" | 18:17 |
| debdog | qpdfview | 18:17 |
| debdog | tried several times | 18:17 |
| debdog | mayhap newer versions of qpdfview will support it properly | 18:18 |
| Ionic | That should indeed use the same internal code, so I can't explain it | 18:18 |
| fullofquestions | hi | 19:44 |
| fullofquestions | I'm back (the guest noob from earlier) | 19:45 |
| fullofquestions | so this problem with nvidia drivers still exists even after reboot https://paste.debian.net/1197032/ | 19:46 |
| Wonka | well, your problem is having nvidia hardware :p | 19:48 |
| rm | fullofquestions, what does /var/log/syslog say? | 19:48 |
| fullofquestions | I'd don't mind trying nouveau or whatever other driver if this is unsolvable. I just want to know, is it possible to do permanent damage to the system or even to hardware by having wrong/not having drivers? Because earlier I did a mess things up a bit. Before knowing if I had any drivers I opened a program with wine (warcraft 3 world editor). | 19:52 |
| fullofquestions | It worked mostly fine but I pressed the button to run the base game through the editor interface, and things froze. Since then, the desktop background sometimes gets buggy (before and after nvidia drivers). | 19:52 |
| fullofquestions | buggy = full of light colours and sometimes misplaced things from the interface. sometimes I can reset a normal background image, but restart will mess it up again | 19:54 |
| fullofquestions | @rm /var/log/syslog is a location or command? | 19:55 |
| rm | it's a text file at that location | 19:55 |
| rm | should say something about your issue at the end | 19:56 |
| rm | this is what the message means by "Check syslog for more details." | 19:56 |
| fullofquestions | home/devuan/var/log/syslog? | 19:56 |
| rm | nah, just /var/log/syslog | 19:57 |
| fsmithred | nvidia-driver Recommends nvidia-persistenced | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | apt install nvidia-driver --no-install-recommends | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | I guess you might need to remove nvidia-persistenced first | 20:04 |
| fullofquestions | devuan nvidia-persistenced: Failed to lock PID file: Resource temporarily unavailable / devuan nvidia-persistenced: Shutdown (3074) | 20:06 |
| fullofquestions | found those near the end | 20:06 |
| fullofquestions | fsmithred what does that command do? | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | you're not the first one this week to get that error. I think there's a problem with the postinstall script. | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | it installs nvidia-driver with only the packages that it really needs instead of the extra packages that it could use but doesn't absolutely need | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | specifically nvidia-persistenced which is blocking the driver install | 20:11 |
| fullofquestions | did you read a little above? is it possible I messed this up but running programs prematurely? | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | I doubt it. | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | as I said, you're not the first. | 20:11 |
| fullofquestions | so this command would remove uneeded items without typing something else? | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | no, I don't think it will remove anything | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | I think you might need to remove nvidia-driver and nvidia-persistenced and then reinstall as I showed above | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | without recommends | 20:13 |
| fullofquestions | also, could my desktop background issue mean some kind of damage (i caused before installing the nvidia drivers) | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | is the nouveau drive unsatisfactory? | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | what's the issue? | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | ok, I read about the game and the background, but is the bg normal before you try the game? | 20:15 |
| fullofquestions | yes it was normal | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | good. So try removing and installing. | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | apt remove nvidia-persistenced | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | apt install nvidia-driver --no-install-recommends | 20:16 |
| fullofquestions | apt remove nvidia-persistenced only this for remove? | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | that's the only one that's causing the problem | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | ignore the autoremove list it gives you and just install the driver | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | and maybe add nvidia-settings to the install | 20:18 |
| fullofquestions | I meant that the bg was normal before trying the game though, but I trying the game before checking/installing drivers | 20:18 |
| fullofquestions | i tried* | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | yeah, the game will probably work better with the nvidia driver | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | brb | 20:19 |
| fullofquestions | ok, I'll try in the meanwhile | 20:19 |
| Ionic | Weird colors and the like most often hint at hardware issues, though, especially if they persist with driver changes | 20:25 |
| fullofquestions | apt install nvidia-driver --no-install-recommends returned this: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | 20:26 |
| fullofquestions | is that ok? | 20:26 |
| Ionic | You can safely remove nvidia-persistenced. This daemon is essentially for headless compute systems (i.e., as a way to run CUDA software even without a logged in user) | 20:27 |
| Ionic | apt-get remove nvidia-persistenced | 20:27 |
| fullofquestions | did this already as per fsmithred 's advice | 20:27 |
| Ionic | Ah, okay, then you're set up correctly. You might want to install nvidia-settings additionally and run that in your desktop environment to make sure that you're really on the nVidia driver. | 20:28 |
| fullofquestions | apt-get nvidia-settings? | 20:29 |
| Ionic | apt-get install nvidia-settings | 20:29 |
| fullofquestions | still 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. I guess I already had them? | 20:31 |
| Ionic | Okay, yeah, was already installed, then just execute it in your desktop environment | 20:31 |
| fullofquestions | ok it runs, any specific recomendations? | 20:32 |
| Ionic | Check the information page. Does it list your card and the 418.xx driver? | 20:32 |
| Ionic | Do you see all the OpenGL information (i.e., do you see a long list of capabilities and extensions?) | 20:33 |
| fullofquestions | 418.181.07 / geforce gt 1030 / an option menu with OpenGL settings | 20:34 |
| Ionic | Great, so it works :) | 20:34 |
| Ionic | But you're still seeing color issues? | 20:34 |
| fullofquestions | yes | 20:34 |
| fullofquestions | but i didn't restart since removing persisted | 20:35 |
| fullofquestions | let's see | 20:35 |
| Ionic | That probably won't help :/ | 20:35 |
| Ionic | At that point, I'd say that the hardware is broken, probably the video RAM | 20:35 |
| fullofquestions | hmm | 20:35 |
| Ionic | It would be interesting to check if that also happens on Windows, if you still have that OS installed | 20:36 |
| fullofquestions | not anymore, a persistent virus finally game me the motivation to switch to linux:p | 20:37 |
| Ionic | I've seen quite a lot of VRAM issues and they can range from pixel errors (such as missing color components) to lines and stripes to old data showing up in newly updated locations | 20:37 |
| fullofquestions | Vram is on the graphics card right? | 20:38 |
| Ionic | VRAM is the video RAM, yes | 20:39 |
| fullofquestions | ok, i'll be back after a restart ty | 20:39 |
| fullofquestions | ok for the first time since I did that mess up | 20:41 |
| fullofquestions | it loaded without wierd pixels | 20:42 |
| fullofquestions | but i can't find the default backgrounds:p | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | in xfce? | 20:42 |
| fullofquestions | (issue was also there which i had the display bug) | 20:42 |
| fullofquestions | y | 20:42 |
| fullofquestions | while i had* | 20:42 |
| fullofquestions | also, the first line while loading the system | 20:43 |
| fsmithred | I'll find it. It's somewhere in desktop-base | 20:43 |
| fullofquestions | mentioned some nvidia error, but process was too fast for me to read | 20:43 |
| Ionic | In the system firmware or after/while loading the kernel/system? | 20:43 |
| fullofquestions | I'm confused by the latests msgs by both of you:p | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | I'm looking for the desktop background image | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | assuming you have the cinnabar theme | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | /etc/alternatives/desktop-background | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | or /usr/share/images/desktop-base/your-way_cinnabar... (there are several) | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | or /usr/share/backgrounds/xfce4/ for the xfce bg images | 20:48 |
| fullofquestions | oh.. I don't mind for the specific images, just wondering if some parts of the issue are unresolved. Or if as Ionic said, there's some VRAM damage | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | oh, the destkop bg images show up if you right-click on the desktop and go to Desktop Settings | 20:49 |
| fullofquestions | yeah, it's there that they don't show up. since the mess up | 20:49 |
| fullofquestions | and sometimes I could load other images and replace the mess up (which would return or restart), other times not | 20:50 |
| fsmithred | does the desktop-base folder show up in that screen? | 20:50 |
| fullofquestions | devuan (user) / Desktop / File System / My Hard Drives / Backgrounds | 20:51 |
| fullofquestions | and background appear empty | 20:51 |
| fsmithred | mine are all empty except for the desktop-base folder | 20:52 |
| Ionic | Go to the place(s) fsmithred mentioned | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | I'm just running the desktop-live iso right now | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | so I would guess that desktop-base got removed somehow. You installed from the desktop-live iso, right? | 20:53 |
| fullofquestions | y | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | if you open that Desktop Settings sceen, click on the Folder menu, go to Other and then navigate to /usr/share/backgrounds/xfce | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | and click Open | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | you'll see the default xfce backgrounds | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | dpkg -l desktop-base | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | to see if it's installed | 20:56 |
| fullofquestions | ok I found 2 backgrounds there | 20:56 |
| fullofquestions | but not the default ones | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | yeah. See if desktop-base is installed. | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | If it is installed, then there's a problem with it. | 20:57 |
| fullofquestions | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend | 20:57 |
| fullofquestions | |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) | 20:57 |
| fullofquestions | so it got removed somehow it seems | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | you could reinstall it, but I don't think it's related to your problem | 20:59 |
| unixbsd | hello, | 20:59 |
| unixbsd | what is the clone without systemd of Bulleye ? | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | chimaera | 21:00 |
| unixbsd | thx | 21:00 |
| unixbsd | wlp1s0 man, nothing work with systemd | 21:00 |
| unixbsd | For network, urtwn0, I use BSD, this is far more stable than Linux for networking (wifi especially). | 21:00 |
| fullofquestions | I don't mind not having it if it doesn't affect other things which i guess not | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | it won't | 21:01 |
| unixbsd | bsd is very easy for networking, alll look the same, small and efficient. | 21:01 |
| fullofquestions | I'll do a couple of tests to see if weird colours somehow randomly reappear | 21:02 |
| fullofquestions | brb | 21:02 |
| fullofquestions | ok no weird colours after a couple of restarts (though the whole interface was light grey for less than a second before loading the desktop, is that normal?) | 21:05 |
| fullofquestions | also the nvidia error after loading devuan and before giving username was something like "nvidia error while giving install commands" | 21:06 |
| Ionic | That error message sounds weird, I couldn't make sense of it | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | it's normal for the desktop to load the way you describe | 21:10 |
| Ionic | Not sure about the interface changing to light grey, it could be intended if the login is still disabled (becaue the machine didn't boot up fully yet) | 21:10 |
| fullofquestions | it's at the top of the list of lines that appear at that screen | 21:10 |
| fullofquestions | it's like getting light grey before loading the normal one | 21:10 |
| Ionic | Probably normal, as fsmithred said | 21:12 |
| fullofquestions | maybe i also need some monitor drivers? | 21:12 |
| fullofquestions | or could my vram be dieng but not dead? | 21:13 |
| Ionic | Nah, displays don't require drivers | 21:13 |
| Ionic | They have their own way of reporting information to the system (called EDID) | 21:13 |
| Ionic | RAM rarely suddenly dies. It breaks in subtle ways and issues get worse over time. Also, erratic behavior might be triggered by temperature changes/points | 21:14 |
| Ionic | But if you don't see any problems now, don't worry too much about it. | 21:15 |
| xinomilo | damn iwlwifi | 21:15 |
| xinomilo | 2 year old bug : https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203709 | 21:15 |
| fullofquestions | yeah things seem pretty normal now. I just wonder what will happen when i run more graffic heavy programs | 21:16 |
| fsmithred | one way to find out... | 21:16 |
| fullofquestions | yeah:p | 21:16 |
| fullofquestions | also, it think gnarface or one of you mentioned some wine related commands (to bring up GUI for it or something, or I got it wrong?) | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | not me | 21:18 |
| Ionic | Is it a bad time to say that my 1070 suddenly broke in a puff of black smoke and funny odors on January 3rd? | 21:18 |
| Ionic | Had to fully replace it, which was made difficult by the machine being a laptop, but... things like that happen, sadly | 21:19 |
| fullofquestions | mine's not very old, I've got it new for like 2 years now but let's see | 21:19 |
| Ionic | winecfg, wine control, wine regedit, wine uninstaller, ... | 21:19 |
| Ionic | Mine was about 4 years old at that point | 21:20 |
| Ionic | But you usually won't need any of these commands | 21:21 |
| Ionic | wine doesn't really need a GUI. There are GUIs and wrappers like playonlinux and others, but those are mostly interesting for recipes to install software and quirks. I wouldn't recommend them. | 21:21 |
| fullofquestions | also is it damaging to the system to run preistalled windows exes with wine? I've read it's ill advised but I think due to how well they might run | 21:21 |
| Ionic | No, wine stuff is isolated in ~/.wine | 21:22 |
| fullofquestions | my mess up involved running exes I already had in my old windows drive:p | 21:22 |
| Ionic | That usually won't work | 21:23 |
| Ionic | But it also shouldn't break anything | 21:23 |
| fullofquestions | It worked for 2 out of 3 programs, and I remember it working on my brothers Mac that way | 21:24 |
| Ionic | Mostly luck *shrug* | 21:25 |
| fullofquestions | could be i guess | 21:25 |
| fullofquestions | maybe the mess up was just involving lack of drivers | 21:26 |
| fullofquestions | I guess there are no wireless usb wifi adaptor drivers in the packages right? | 22:43 |
| fullofquestions | cause I got errors when trying to extract & install them semi-manualy | 22:43 |
| golinux | Trying to recreate a lost root passwd using this method: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=300855#p300855 | 23:10 |
| golinux | I have done so in the past but today I seem to be doing something wrong and it's not working. | 23:11 |
| Akuli | can you be more specific than "not working"? :) | 23:12 |
| Akuli | ah i might know what's wrong | 23:12 |
| Akuli | you may need to run 'sync' before you reboot | 23:13 |
| Akuli | the kernel doesn't flush your changes to disk when init dies (and it will die if you just exit the bash) | 23:14 |
| Akuli | don't know about other ways to reboot out of that :) | 23:14 |
| golinux | Akuli: Thanks. Needed <ctrl> x instead of <b> to get to a root prompt. Then the rest of bluesdog's instructions worked | 23:33 |
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