| rwp | golinux, As a completely alternate method... Booting the debian-installer and using rescue mode allows chroot'ing into the image as root. Then can run "passwd" there too. | 00:16 |
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| rwp | It has always seemed odd to me that GRUB2 uses Control-X to boot... | 00:16 |
| golinux | I was trying to boot an old squeeze. Can't quite remember when GRUB2 arrived. I can remember manually editing the old grub config . . . | 00:21 |
| golinux | Now it's a black box . . . | 00:21 |
| golinux | As to chroot'ing never done that (and likely never will). I do not like to mess much with my system. I get is set up and dread the next time I'll have to redo everything because of hair-brained decisions upstream | 00:23 |
| golinux | This whole adventure was prompted by my finally getting it together to move on from jessie. LOL! | 00:24 |
| rwp | That's the advantage of booting the debian-installer into rescue mode, it does the chroot for you so you don't need to do anymore more than select the menu item. | 00:42 |
| golinux | rwp: Thanks for demystifying that | 01:37 |
| rwp | I use chroot a lot. So am pretty comfortable with using it. But even so the debian-installer offers to to assemble RAID, decrypt partitions, to activate LVM, and everything. | 01:40 |
| rwp | So even I use the debian-installer when I need to do that type of thing. Because it does the task so much more comfortably. | 01:40 |
| rwp | golinux, I don't want to admit it but I have a couple of systems still running Jessie too. For probably the same reasons. Upgrades after that point became problematic. But catching up on deferred upgrades on most systems these days now. | 01:41 |
| golinux | There is also a "rescue mode" option in the grub menu which is used for . . . ? | 01:45 |
| rwp | golinux, The GRUB menu entries with "recovery mode" boot single user mode with "single" on the kernel command line. | 01:56 |
| rwp | Single user mode is harder to use though, for one it requires the root password to be entered to gate entry. | 01:56 |
| rwp | And for another if the system is not booting for example then it probably won't boot single user mode either. | 01:56 |
| golinux | Thanks for that explanation. i will remember it for at least a few hours. LOL! | 01:58 |
| golinux | (not much sticks for very long these days) | 01:58 |
| rwp | I sympathize! Especially if I have slept since then. But it is sometimes enough to remember in general and then can go look it up or ask about it again and get a hint back about it. :-) | 01:59 |
| onefang | For those hanging out for the Beowulf exim4 security upgrade, it has landed. | 05:40 |
| gnarface | if that fullofquestions guy comes back someone tell him it's: "wine winecfg" "wine regedit" and "wine control" | 05:52 |
| gnarface | wine doesn't have a gui interface of its own but it comes with a handful of builtins to supplant the native windows ones | 05:53 |
| onefang | Then fullofquestions will be fullofwine. | 05:53 |
| gnarface | well, probably that is inevitable though | 05:53 |
| lts- | Any ideas what was the cause of the delay? It is a bit scary that it took so long after buster-security had it | 06:36 |
| rwp | lts-, Delay in which package? I don't see anything indicative in the scrollback. | 06:51 |
| lts- | Sorry, I meant the exim4 about which onefang spoke a few lines above | 06:52 |
| rwp | Thanks lts- for filling me in. | 06:55 |
| rwp | I have been rather ignoring the exim problems because I am not using exim anywhere. So it just hasn't been of concern to me. | 06:55 |
| lts- | Not using it either, just worried that there might be something which may cause an equally important security update to be delayed in the future, about a software I do use | 06:56 |
| unixbsd | i try to use elvis or kilo for settings. elvis isnt into the packages. | 06:57 |
| onefang | Exim4 is the one installed by default, so it worries a lot of people. I don't know the details, but there was an issue with amprolla, the software we use to pull info from Debian's repo servers to put together the info for our own. | 06:57 |
| lts- | Thanks onefang | 06:57 |
| debdog | FYI regarding my pdf (passwort) issues (Ionic). found another one able to open the document: mupdf. | 14:36 |
| debdog | but it also reports "warning: aes padding out of range". so the issue might not be related to the passwort at all | 14:36 |
| debdog | well, the t in passwort is part of my german slang :P | 14:39 |
| nawlert | It seems that xserver-xorg is broken in beowulf in it's dependencies. Now it pulls 400+mb including adawaita icon theme for some reason. | 16:03 |
| nawlert | an icon theme should never be a dependency | 16:04 |
| nawlert | it also pulled in gtk3 for some reason | 16:04 |
| nawlert | that is just silly. I now have to purge gtk | 16:04 |
| debdog | you prolly looking for xserver-xorg-core | 16:05 |
| nawlert | thank you, i will keep that in mind | 16:06 |
| nawlert | i had no idea that xorg was a meta package. | 16:06 |
| xinomilo | or maybe : apt install xserver-xorg --no-install-recommends | 16:07 |
| nawlert | i know that devuan is not a mirror of debian in it's repo's. But deprecating amiwm in the repos? What was the reason for that? I mean is has been working for me perfectly for twenty years.. Building it is no big deal, ofcourse. | 16:10 |
| nawlert | rel date:1994 | 16:11 |
| xinomilo | it's in testing/ceres, don't know why not on stable.. maybe check debian page | 16:11 |
| xinomilo | aha, it's actually in repos.. just in non-free | 16:12 |
| nawlert | oh my bad. Thank you vvery much | 16:13 |
| nawlert | it is the only desktop i can stand | 16:13 |
| nawlert | sadly most distros use the old 1998 version | 16:14 |
| nawlert | and not the 2010 version | 16:14 |
| nawlert | cool fact, it was the first desktop that made fmv (full motion video) available as a background. Ten years before windows vista =D | 16:17 |
| xinomilo | but why non-free ? do you know? | 16:17 |
| nawlert | i have no idea, it is free as in GPL on any version older than the 1998 vversions and previous | 16:18 |
| nawlert | but as ubuntu uses that one (lacks so much functionality) | 16:19 |
| nawlert | it became the standard package.. (this is just an assumption) | 16:19 |
| nawlert | Oh if you read the license it is gpl+ which means you can do anything at all with it. Perhaps that is why. | 16:21 |
| nawlert | It is not defined as gpl | 16:21 |
| xinomilo | aha, ok! thx. | 16:22 |
| nawlert | Try it, it is hard to set it up properly, with strange a strange .rc structure. but once it is running you might never want to go back | 16:23 |
| nawlert | thank you, it seems the devuan package is up to date. | 16:25 |
| Elio_Milano | Buonasera a tutti, chissà se qualcuno parla ITAliano qui? :) | 19:46 |
| Elio_Milano | Mesi fa ho aggiornato questo sistema da Jessie a Beowulf. Ed ora addio a startx -> xorg -> openbox :-( Qualcuno è competente in materia? Nel log utente di Xorg: "parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)", un classico. Da root Xorg si avvia.. | 19:46 |
| fullofquestions | How can wine claim that I have less than 2GB space while installing a program while the disk has like 90GB? | 20:34 |
| tarzeau_ | the disk could be partitioned? | 20:34 |
| tarzeau_ | and maybe corresponding partition only has 2gb space? | 20:35 |
| fullofquestions | it is, does wine use the system partition and not the home one? | 20:35 |
| tarzeau_ | or it's using some temproray directory where the space is going out? | 20:35 |
| fullofquestions | no clue on a temp one, how could I check this? | 20:36 |
| tarzeau_ | strace yourprogram :) and grep | 20:36 |
| fullofquestions | strace wine / grep wine? sorry I'm new to linux | 20:38 |
| fullofquestions | but shouldn't wine disk usage default to home? or even if it is at system/root there should be enough space | 20:39 |
| fullofquestions | i haven't changed any setting | 20:39 |
| fullofquestions | strangest thing is I tried to continue the installation to see what happens. It filled the available 2GB, but the installation failed (probably cause it needed 2.3GB), | 21:06 |
| fullofquestions | now the space seems occupied but the files aren't there c/program files in wine | 21:07 |
| DPA | If you execute "df -h" you can see which partitions are full. (Unless it's a btrfs quota, thats a different command.) | 21:23 |
| fullofquestions | as expected nothing is full, besides the root partition to which i gave 11GB (is that normal?). The rest not even close. | 21:26 |
| fullofquestions | I also got to the weird situation of not being able to do things as admin, while being able to do them as simple user | 22:10 |
| djph | fullofquestions: er,what? | 22:19 |
| fullofquestions | i tried a command as root, told me I don't have permission to that location or something | 22:20 |
| fullofquestions | as simple user it worked right after | 22:20 |
| sgage | fullofquestions: wine on my chimaera installation only puts 69 MB in ~/.wine | 22:23 |
| djph | weird. | 22:25 |
| DPA | I don't think the root partition is supposed to ever be full. | 22:25 |
| sgage | most of it is in /usr/lib, in various places | 22:25 |
| djph | ideally, it's not :) | 22:26 |
| sgage | I can't track them all down, but there's some stuff in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu | 22:26 |
| fullofquestions | maybe it displays as full cause it isn't supposed to be used? I gave it 11GB, (I think) I haven't touched it, and the installation, and me on linux/devuan only dates some days back:p | 22:27 |
| sgage | but I can't make it work out to anything like 2.3 GB - a few 100 MB is all I can find | 22:28 |
| fullofquestions | you mean in .wine? or in general you can't give it more space? | 22:28 |
| sgage | I mean that when I add up all the files here and there, it comes to maybe 400 MB max. | 22:29 |
| fullofquestions | ok | 22:29 |
| fullofquestions | my issue was it didn't give me more than 2GB for installation, even though the disk space is huge compared to that | 22:30 |
| fullofquestions | hmm | 22:31 |
| golinux | I have a nearly 30gb root because in the past I have run out of disk space when processing video in /temp | 22:31 |
| golinux | I should have used / | 22:31 |
| fullofquestions | /usr/ is in root right? cause mine seems to be | 22:32 |
| sgage | it shouldn't need anything like 2 GB for the installation. | 22:32 |
| fullofquestions | 2GB was for a game installation (it needed 2.3 actually) | 22:33 |
| sgage | a game installation! I'd have thought that would go to your ~/.wine... | 22:33 |
| fullofquestions | seems I've misunderstood some things, and maybe I have filled root | 22:34 |
| fullofquestions | I thought root would only have the base system files, and the rest goes in home | 22:35 |
| fullofquestions | but doesn't seem so | 22:35 |
| sgage | yes, there are lots and lots of wine files in /usr/lib/... | 22:36 |
| fullofquestions | my /usr is full of things | 22:36 |
| sgage | Only 89MB goes in ~/.wine | 22:36 |
| sgage | yes, /usr is full of things, that's normal :-) | 22:36 |
| fullofquestions | I guess I'll have to give most of the 120GB "C" drive to the root partition | 22:37 |
| sgage | i use synaptic to quickly and easily show me what files a package is going to install | 22:37 |
| fullofquestions | changing it with gparted now shouldn't be an issue right? | 22:37 |
| sgage | and where they are placed | 22:37 |
| sgage | I am not sure how much space you have in which partitions. All I know is | 22:39 |
| sgage | that on my computer, a full wine installation puts 89MB in ~/.wine, and a few | 22:39 |
| sgage | hundred more MB in /usr, and a launcher in /usr/bin | 22:40 |
| sgage | where your game wants to put 2.3 GB I don't know - THAT is the kind of thing | 22:40 |
| sgage | that really ought to go in ~/.wine, but you have lots of drive space in ~ | 22:41 |
| sgage | I am really not clear on your partitioning scheme - you can run gparted | 22:42 |
| sgage | and see it all laid out, and maybe you can tell us. | 22:42 |
| fullofquestions | yes sda1 (root) 11GB is full, half of it in /usr. Sda2 100GB has 90% empty space | 22:47 |
| sgage | and sda2 is a separate /home partition? | 22:49 |
| fullofquestions | yes | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | how the hell did you fill 11GB?? | 22:52 |
| fsmithred | gnome AND kde? | 22:52 |
| fullofquestions | i'm still wondering:p | 22:52 |
| fsmithred | install and run gdmap | 22:53 |
| fullofquestions | just hedders, wine, essentials and a couple of games so far | 22:53 |
| sgage | he can't, / is full :-) | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | lol, oh yeah | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | doesn't wine go into the user's home? | 22:54 |
| fullofquestions | oh and the nvidia drivers | 22:54 |
| fullofquestions | yes it did | 22:56 |
| fsmithred | as root, run 'du -sh /var' | 22:56 |
| sgage | fsmithred, some of wine goes into ~/.wine | 22:56 |
| sgage | most of it goes in /usr/lib/(various subdirectories) but doesn't amount | 22:56 |
| sgage | to more than a couple hundred MBs. | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | the win programs you install are in user's home, right? | 22:57 |
| fullofquestions | / is root right? | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | yes | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | well | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | / is the root of your filesystem | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | but /root is root's home | 22:58 |
| fullofquestions | cause from / i can see a root folder and a home folder | 22:58 |
| sgage | I am confused. | 22:58 |
| sgage | root meaning '/' or root meaning '/root'? | 22:59 |
| fullofquestions | the later leads to home/user/.wine | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | what? | 23:00 |
| fullofquestions | well the first disk (sda) has a display name of File System, and a path of / | 23:00 |
| fullofquestions | in there, there's root, home and other folders | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | yes | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | correct | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | inside /home should be the home directories of your users | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | probably just one | 23:01 |
| sgage | home is sda2, right? | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | The root user has a home directory that isn't in /home for reasons to do with separate partitions and booting. | 23:02 |
| fullofquestions | ok so since sda1 is / (11GB) and sda2 is labbeled /home (100) GB, i have set up a separate home partition as I though/was supposed to do right? | 23:02 |
| fsmithred | sounds like that's what you did | 23:02 |
| fsmithred | and it makes sense to do that | 23:02 |
| fullofquestions | ok there goes some of the confusion | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | I use 12GB in a virtual disk to create a snapshot.iso, and that allows enough room for a copy of the entire filesystem plus the iso that gets made | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | du -Sh / | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | look for big files/directories | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | or use gdmap if you want a graphical representation. (or kdirstat if you're in kde) | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | did you check /var? | 23:05 |
| fullofquestions | is there some command to run du -sh equivalent just on the first disk? | 23:05 |
| fullofquestions | cause it also searches my 400+ GB of old windows drive files | 23:05 |
| fsmithred | not sure how you'd do that | 23:05 |
| fsmithred | unmount the other volumes | 23:05 |
| fsmithred | du -sh /var | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | do that first | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | see if your logs are running away | 23:06 |
| fullofquestions | du -sh /var | 23:07 |
| fullofquestions | 1.6G /var | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | ok, that's not the problem | 23:08 |
| sgage | FoQ: you had successfully installed wine | 23:09 |
| fullofquestions | du _sh / | 23:09 |
| sgage | and then ran out of space on / while installing a game? | 23:09 |
| fullofquestions | returned 0 /sys/module | 23:09 |
| fullofquestions | 0 /sys | 23:09 |
| fullofquestions | 4.0K /target_home | 23:09 |
| fullofquestions | 172K / | 23:09 |
| fullofquestions | plus a bounch of others in this format: 0 /sys/module , above that | 23:10 |
| fullofquestions | and above those many empty lines | 23:10 |
| fullofquestions | yes I run out of space while installing a game | 23:11 |
| fullofquestions | that's how this question, discussion started | 23:11 |
| Jjp137 | hm I wonder if you accidentally ran wine as root; is /root/.wine present by any chance? | 23:11 |
| fullofquestions | yes | 23:12 |
| fullofquestions | I tend to run many things as root to avoid being asked for extra permissions all the time | 23:12 |
| Jjp137 | heh okay yeah that's probably why then | 23:12 |
| sgage | have a look into /root/.wine. I think Jjp137 is on to something... | 23:12 |
| Jjp137 | oh don't do that. | 23:12 |
| fullofquestions | but I guess not such a good idea after all:p | 23:13 |
| Jjp137 | yeah only run as root when you need to :p | 23:13 |
| Jjp137 | you don't need to be root to play games lol | 23:13 |
| fullofquestions | I know | 23:14 |
| sgage | as root, in /root, rm -r .wine. Then reistall your game from your user acct | 23:14 |
| fullofquestions | I'm just trying several things at once | 23:14 |
| fullofquestions | to find how this new system works, and didn't think it would cause issues to avoid some extra actions:p | 23:14 |
| sgage | wine installs windows apps in the user's account that invoked it. | 23:15 |
| fullofquestions | how do I replace space in paths in terminal? | 23:17 |
| fullofquestions | cause there's one extra folder there (game leftover) that needs removal | 23:18 |
| sgage | you use a backslash to 'escape' the character. | 23:18 |
| fullofquestions | and wine gave it the windows format | 23:18 |
| sgage | E.g., rm -r this\ is\ a\ folder\ with\ spaces | 23:18 |
| sgage | Also, case matters - 'folder' is not the same as 'Folder' | 23:19 |
| fullofquestions | did it thanks | 23:21 |
| sgage | yw | 23:21 |
| fullofquestions | ok time to check the rest of root for leftovers, since it's still at 9GB, thanks everyone:) | 23:24 |
| fullofquestions | hmm i got 0 AD through synaptic, but (at least some elements of) it exist in various folders in root | 23:32 |
| fullofquestions | is that normal? Could i have caused this by being root in a terminal at the time? | 23:32 |
| Jjp137 | that's normal | 23:34 |
| sgage | 0 AD is a Linux program, and the executables will install in /. Only config stuff | 23:37 |
| sgage | will be in your home directory. That is generally how it works. | 23:37 |
| fullofquestions | hmm under what folder should it be in home? | 23:40 |
| fullofquestions | cause i can't find it's data folders and still / is 9GB | 23:41 |
| sgage | something like ~/.0AD, or maybe inside of ~/.config | 23:41 |
| sgage | when you install a Linux program | 23:41 |
| sgage | the program code is installed in / | 23:41 |
| sgage | and your personal game configuration data goes in ~, usually as a dotfile of its own | 23:42 |
| sgage | or sometimes in ~/.config | 23:42 |
| sgage | you might not see anything until you run it once | 23:43 |
| fullofquestions | config has a 53kb 0 ad | 23:43 |
| sgage | run it as user, not root! | 23:43 |
| sgage | should be in the menu. what DE are you using? | 23:43 |
| fullofquestions | but can't locate .0 ad or something related | 23:43 |
| fullofquestions | ok maybe i've only run it as root? could that create that in root? | 23:44 |
| sgage | then it puts its config in .config, which many programs do. | 23:44 |
| fullofquestions | i've run it once from the menu icon | 23:44 |
| Jjp137 | it might put other things in .local/share (Wesnoth does this, at least) | 23:44 |
| Jjp137 | (never played 0 AD) | 23:45 |
| sgage | gah! don't run as root! You'll now have crap in /root which you can delete at your leisure | 23:45 |
| sgage | yes .local/share sometimes has stuff. what DE are you using? | 23:45 |
| fullofquestions | DE is devuan? if so beowulf | 23:46 |
| Jjp137 | oh no DE means "desktop environment" | 23:47 |
| Jjp137 | like uh Xfce | 23:47 |
| fullofquestions | ah | 23:47 |
| fullofquestions | default, xfce i think | 23:47 |
| Jjp137 | yeah the default is Xfce so it would be in the Applications menu | 23:47 |
| sgage | fullofquestions: just for future reference, there is a Devuan forum: | 23:50 |
| sgage | https://dev1galaxy.org/ | 23:50 |
| sgage | Some problems are easier to work out in that format. | 23:51 |
| sgage | and you can get a lot of basic info. | 23:51 |
| fullofquestions | my /home/devuan/.local/share/0ad/ has 1GB of files, and in a style similar to it's windows version, but most folders seem empty | 23:52 |
| sgage | play it a bit, and they'll probably get contents. I've never played it myself... | 23:52 |
| fullofquestions | also I didn't run it as root from terminal, only from the menu (but maybe I was root in a terminal at the time so that was part of the question) | 23:53 |
| sgage | if you are root in a terminal, it won't affect programs you launch from the menu | 23:53 |
| fullofquestions | ok | 23:53 |
| sgage | really, use root as little as possible until you have a better sense of things, | 23:54 |
| fullofquestions | yeah makes sense | 23:54 |
| sgage | you can get into deep trouble - like 'reinstall the system' trouble | 23:54 |
| sgage | If you have a bunch of general questions, post them on the forum. | 23:55 |
| sgage | There is a learning curve for sure! | 23:56 |
| sgage | I started with computers in 1980, well, the 70's really. A lot of clarity | 23:57 |
| sgage | comes from being sure 'who' is getting your commands, and "who" that entity | 23:58 |
| fullofquestions | I prefer the more direct interaction here, but I can understand if this is getting too much for the chat | 23:58 |
| sgage | thinks you are at the time. | 23:58 |
| sgage | It's just that for some things chat can get crazy, with questions asked and | 23:58 |
| sgage | not answered, vital for trouble shooting, and it gets confusing. | 23:59 |
| sgage | I know that I get confuse sometimes :-) | 23:59 |
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