| raspbeguy | hello | 09:30 |
|---|---|---|
| raspbeguy | I am running devuan with runit. I can't find services files when installing nginx for instance | 09:31 |
| raspbeguy | So if I understand correctly, services files for other init than sysvinit are not packaged, am I right? | 09:32 |
| xinomilo | yes, in debian just a few runit scripts are packaged | 09:46 |
| xinomilo | there's a thread in the dev1galaxy.org forum | 09:46 |
| xinomilo | with some "experimental" scripts and instructions | 09:46 |
| raspbeguy | ok, so right now it is safer to use sysvinit for production | 09:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | how do I remove this shit from my computer? https://cdn.nuegia.net/ce254782-b9e7-4130-bcb5-9ea992e61e1a/screenshot.png | 09:49 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I disabled pocket so I shouldn't have to deal with propaganda and ads in my browser | 09:50 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | or rather | 09:50 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | doesn | 09:50 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | doesn't the debian version disable pocket by default? | 09:50 |
| xrogaan | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: about:config -> extensions.pocket.enabled | 10:08 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | hey, idk if you can see the scrollback but it think freenode just got hacked | 10:08 |
| xrogaan | what do you mean? | 10:09 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | all the staff just got their connection killed | 10:09 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and chanserv just restarted | 10:09 |
| xrogaan | maybe related: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409 | 10:10 |
| lts- | There was also an obnoxious user ##elsewhere a few hours ago who claimed to have 0days against Freenode who said he's going to use them momentarily. Maybe he really did. | 10:12 |
| xrogaan | that would make much more sense. | 10:13 |
| onefang | "ChanServ left the room (quit: Killed (grumble (My fellow staff so-called 'friends' are about to hand over account data to a non-staff member. If you care about your data, drop your NickServ account NOW before that happens.)))." is what just happened, and several others with the same message. | 10:23 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | oh isn't this fun | 10:23 |
| lts- | Ah, I didn't see the kill message. Weechat smart filtering sometimes backfires | 10:25 |
| onefang | There was half a dozen of them. | 10:26 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | all the freenode staff and services | 10:26 |
| lts- | Well, I assume the worst case scenario is that the freenode volunteers start free-ernode and there is a mass migration | 10:28 |
| buZz | lts-: they've already started | 10:31 |
| buZz | https://libera.chat/ , not live yet though | 10:32 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | worst case is now | 10:36 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | somebody is gonna harvest all the nickserv data | 10:36 |
| onefang | Sooo, my nickname, and the special freenode email address I used so I can see if Freenode leaked it to spammers, and the unique password I use here. | 10:37 |
| lts- | ditto | 10:37 |
| onefang | Don't think there's any actual personal data in there. YMMV | 10:37 |
| xrogaan | devuan's staff might want to secure channels on a secondary network | 10:38 |
| onefang | We are already looking into that. | 10:40 |
| Unit193 | I think there's one that starts with an 'L', so I hear. | 10:41 |
| onefang | For us Devuan devs, I already offered the prosody server I already run on one of the package mirrors, and another dev was also already running Prosody on his server. | 10:42 |
| crashoverride | guys, how about moving to OFTC? | 10:42 |
| xinomilo | onefang, email, name(if full) are personal data and i believe freenode stores it someplace.. | 10:42 |
| onefang | So we got this covered, we just have to decide what to do, then do it. | 10:42 |
| xrogaan | I think OFTC would be sensible. | 10:43 |
| xinomilo | xmpp is decentralized, seems like a better option :) | 10:44 |
| buZz | onefang: at least passwords are hashed | 10:44 |
| buZz | dno about salted | 10:44 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | ยป <xinomilo> xmpp is decentralized, seems like a better option :) | 10:44 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | this | 10:44 |
| Unit193 | enc:pbkdf2v2 | 10:44 |
| xinomilo | https://delta.chat looks nice too | 10:44 |
| buZz | ppl want irc, not notirc | 10:44 |
| buZz | :D | 10:44 |
| xinomilo | something sustainable too :P | 10:45 |
| xrogaan | xinomilo: it's also something I don't use. | 10:45 |
| xrogaan | oh, and xmpp clients are garbage, most of the time. | 10:45 |
| xinomilo | you dont use email? :o :D | 10:45 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | you can use xmpp like irc | 10:46 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | with anonymous login | 10:46 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | as well as bosh, for a web based anonymous groupchat joining think akin to kiwi | 10:46 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and there's a python script server componet that exposes xmpp mucs as a minimal irc server | 10:46 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and there's biboumi network transport for forwards compatibility | 10:47 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | client's like poezio support anon login, and they are similar in ui to weechat or irssi | 10:47 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | hell | 10:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I'm connected to this channel via XMPP right now | 10:48 |
| onefang | If you have a gmail address, you have an XMPP address already. Google was gonna kill that off, but decided not to. | 10:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | onefang: since when? | 10:48 |
| xinomilo | i thought google killed xmpp years ago | 10:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I have not been able to connect to gmail.com since years | 10:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | they shut off federation | 10:48 |
| onefang | Since many years ago. Initially through Google Talk, which changed name afew times, now called Hangouts I think. | 10:49 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | yeah they rebranded to hangouts which is with the s2s module for federation | 10:49 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | *without the s2s | 10:49 |
| onefang | Meh I moved the last of my friends off Hangouts when they initially said they was shutting it down. | 10:49 |
| pepe80 | Hello! | 12:20 |
| pepe80 | I am new to Devuan and I am not familiar with the alternative to systemd. | 12:20 |
| pepe80 | Please can you help me? | 12:20 |
| pepe80 | - How do I find out what is the system ini of my server? | 12:20 |
| crashoverride | pepe80: you look what binary is pid1 | 12:20 |
| pepe80 | Sorry, I'm just getting started. | 12:21 |
| pepe80 | Can you tell me how? | 12:21 |
| fsmithred | cat /proc/1/comm | 12:22 |
| orcus-de | pstree should display a nice "graph" of process parents/children | 12:22 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: that's only part of the answer | 12:23 |
| crashoverride | sudo sh -c 'command -v $(cat /proc/1/comm)' | 12:23 |
| crashoverride | this is how | 12:24 |
| orcus-de | and if you add -p .. it will show the PID of the according process too: pstree -p | 12:24 |
| crashoverride | orcus-de: that's ultra verbose :P | 12:24 |
| pepe80 | Init!!!! Thank you | 12:26 |
| crashoverride | pepe80: technically: `sudo sh -c 'dpkg -S $(command -v $(cat /proc/1/comm))'` is the proper command | 12:27 |
| fsmithred | why? | 12:28 |
| orcus-de | as it's looking more nerdy | 12:28 |
| onefang | lol | 12:29 |
| rrq | readlink -f /proc/1/exe | 12:30 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: gives you the actual name of the init. | 12:30 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: instead of just 'init' | 12:30 |
| fsmithred | didn't give me anything | 12:30 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: did you copy-paste? | 12:30 |
| fsmithred | oh, it works as root | 12:31 |
| crashoverride | well, duuh :D | 12:31 |
| crashoverride | I don't add `sudo` to mean `$` | 12:31 |
| fsmithred | that's the first I've seen a builtin only work for root. | 12:32 |
| fsmithred | or maybe just the first I've noticed | 12:32 |
| crashoverride | yeah possibly. | 12:32 |
| crashoverride | but also, it could be considered a bug I suppose | 12:32 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | freenode is dying btw | 12:39 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | you people should consider moving this chat elsewhere | 12:40 |
| crashoverride | yes. | 12:40 |
| crashoverride | please move over to OFTC people. | 12:40 |
| crashoverride | I second CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | 12:40 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | well | 12:40 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I would suggest XMPP, but OFTC is better than freenode | 12:40 |
| onefang | Please explain what OFTC is to those that don't know. | 12:41 |
| onefang | I've suggested XMPP to the other Devuan devs as well. | 12:41 |
| crashoverride | onefang: OFTC is another network, that isn't being taken over by an aggressive company linked to gray-zone (to put it nicely) businesses, money laundry, and various questionable activiities. | 12:41 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | https://www.oftc.net/ | 12:41 |
| crashoverride | It also has proper governance, is actually meant to be for open source from this very inception. | 12:42 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | crashoverride: it's sid from toy story | 12:42 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I wouldn't mind hosting it | 12:43 |
| crashoverride | in addition, the company taking over freenode (the parent company of PIA, that has previously managed MtGox) has been using legal threats to get their way in, after buying a few key members. | 12:43 |
| crashoverride | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: I would mind someone hosting it. | 12:43 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's just a matter of adding another vhost for me, and i've already got anonymous logon, webchat, and all the works set up | 12:43 |
| crashoverride | in addition, anonymous chat over xmpp is not by design. | 12:43 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | yeah it is | 12:44 |
| crashoverride | IRC does not have compulsory accounts registeration by default, and that is great. | 12:44 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | thers' a xep | 12:44 |
| crashoverride | anonymous. | 12:44 |
| crashoverride | not encrypted. | 12:44 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | yes encrypted | 12:44 |
| onefang | I've been running XMPP servers for many years. On my server that is one of the Devuan package mirrors. | 12:44 |
| crashoverride | I'm saying "anonymous" | 12:44 |
| crashoverride | you're saying "encrypted" | 12:44 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | both | 12:44 |
| crashoverride | not the same thing | 12:44 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | connect to anon.nuegia.net with a client like poezio | 12:45 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | also that's how webchat works | 12:45 |
| onefang | XMPP can do both, though maybe not at the same time. | 12:45 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it just connects via bosh over the anonymous logon | 12:45 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | try it https://www.nuegia.net/converse/ | 12:45 |
| crashoverride | myeah. | 12:46 |
| crashoverride | how is it better than IRC? | 12:46 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | for one it's federated | 12:46 |
| crashoverride | IRC is too. | 12:46 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and it's actually designed to be extendable from the get go | 12:46 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | unlike irc | 12:46 |
| crashoverride | makes it harder for people to run bots on old hardware because it requres XML libraries? | 12:46 |
| crashoverride | s/qu/qui/ | 12:46 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no | 12:46 |
| crashoverride | well, yeah, it does require XML libraries to implement any interaction. | 12:47 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | you can run mcabber on a 486 no problem | 12:47 |
| onefang | I wrote an XML library once, it's tiny. | 12:47 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and crashoverride IRC doesn't really have federation in the same way | 12:47 |
| adhoc | the over head of irc is tiny by comparison | 12:47 |
| crashoverride | adhoc: +1 | 12:47 |
| crashoverride | kinda my point. | 12:47 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | oh | 12:48 |
| adhoc | irc does not need federation | 12:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and you don't need bouncers | 12:48 |
| crashoverride | look, I'm not saying xmpp is a bad idea | 12:48 |
| crashoverride | but JUST xmpp is. | 12:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | if poezio or profanity don't work for you | 12:48 |
| adhoc | are tghere any CLI xmpp clients that allow anonymous logins with encryption ? | 12:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | tere's always that python script that exposes xmpp mucs as irc channels | 12:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | adhoc: yes poezio | 12:49 |
| adhoc | ok | 12:49 |
| onefang | HTTPS web clients using bosh. | 12:49 |
| adhoc | what is bosh ? | 12:49 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | xmpp over a websocket | 12:49 |
| onefang | An interface between web clients and XMPP. | 12:49 |
| crashoverride | poezio looks like weechat | 12:50 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | that's the idea | 12:50 |
| crashoverride | I hate weechat. | 12:50 |
| crashoverride | any irssi looking client? :D | 12:50 |
| onefang | There's plenty of clients to choose. lol | 12:51 |
| crashoverride | yeah maybe. | 12:51 |
| crashoverride | never really tried xmpp | 12:51 |
| crashoverride | seems to me that the increased complexity adds nothing really. | 12:51 |
| onefang | And IRC <-> XMPP bridges. I've done both ways. | 12:51 |
| crashoverride | omg poezio is in python. | 12:51 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | crashoverride: in the faq there's links to several others | 12:52 |
| crashoverride | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: what FAQ? | 12:52 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | https://poez.io/en/ | 12:52 |
| crashoverride | ah poezio is a french software :D | 12:52 |
| onefang | Actually I suggest we take this conversation to #devuan-dev. It's out of topic for this support channel. | 12:52 |
| crashoverride | that explains a lot :P | 12:52 |
| crashoverride | onefang: yeah | 12:52 |
| crashoverride | oh yeah I've been using profanity | 12:53 |
| crashoverride | I hated every second of it. | 12:53 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | so salty | 12:53 |
| crashoverride | looks like irssi | 12:53 |
| crashoverride | but behaves like windows millenium. | 12:54 |
| crashoverride | also, I'll move over to #Devuan-dev once it is -r | 12:54 |
| crashoverride | forcing people to leak personal data to London Trust Media Inc. just to talk there seems a liiiiiittle bit too much. | 12:55 |
| onefang | I would have suggested #devuan-offtopic, but I don't wanna go there myself. lol | 12:55 |
| crashoverride | onefang: you know you can ignore the activity on a chan while being there right? | 12:55 |
| crashoverride | (not ignore what is written, just ignore the activity, so you only see what is happening when you actually check it) | 12:56 |
| onefang | I'm a compulsive speed reader. :-P | 12:56 |
| crashoverride | who is running out of excuses :D | 12:56 |
| crashoverride | onefang: please join here for this discussion ;) | 12:56 |
| crashoverride | s/he/the/ | 12:56 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it | 13:01 |
| crashoverride | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: wtf? | 13:03 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | whatthewhat? | 13:03 |
| djph | crashoverride: aw, you've abandoned us :( | 13:22 |
| crashoverride | djph: yeah, and so is more than half of freenode. | 13:23 |
| crashoverride | it is a good filter to see what projects actually care about staying FOSS. | 13:24 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | like all the projects that are still on github | 13:24 |
| crashoverride | depends. | 13:24 |
| crashoverride | if they are on github only, yes. | 13:24 |
| crashoverride | if they are on github for a mirror | 13:24 |
| adhoc | gitlab has only gotten bigger since github was purchased | 13:30 |
| crashoverride | yeah | 13:31 |
| adhoc | their development pace has increased too =) | 13:32 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's a big bloated dumpster fire of javascript | 13:33 |
| crashoverride | yes. | 13:33 |
| crashoverride | totally agreed. | 13:33 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | the rate at which they have added fuel to that dumpster fire has increased | 13:33 |
| adhoc | github? i agree | 13:33 |
| crashoverride | I mean, github is much worse than gitlab, but both are. | 13:33 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I was talking about gitlab, but both | 13:34 |
| adhoc | gitlab is mostly written in Ruby | 13:34 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | at least github even works at all witthout javascript | 13:34 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | can't say the same for gitlab | 13:35 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | all gitlab does is chug my computer dropping to single digit fps | 13:35 |
| adhoc | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: that may be the case, at least there are viable alternatives. | 13:44 |
| pepe80 | I see that you guys are very involved in this with a very high level. | 13:48 |
| pepe80 | Is there any place where I can learn Devuan without being in the way? | 13:48 |
| pepe80 | A chat, forum or site where the newbies can solve our doubts? | 13:48 |
| adhoc | pepe80: yes, right here. | 13:50 |
| adhoc | you are not in the way. | 13:50 |
| adhoc | what do you need to know ? | 13:50 |
| pepe80 | I need to know how to create and mantain a service like with systemd but with init | 13:51 |
| onefang | This is the right place to be, it just goes off the rails sometimes. | 13:51 |
| adhoc | pepe80: you have init scripts that start and stop the services. | 13:52 |
| pepe80 | that is what I need to learn | 13:53 |
| adhoc | you have a look in /etc/init.d/ | 13:53 |
| adhoc | classically unix systems have run levels. | 13:53 |
| adhoc | this is still the case for the default system, although there are others, but I am not familiar with them. | 13:53 |
| adhoc | pepe80: what is the service you would like to run ? | 13:55 |
| adhoc | as it may already have an init script. | 13:55 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | you can also use openrc | 13:56 |
| pepe80 | OK, I have to create the file in /etc/init.d | 13:56 |
| pepe80 | But what are the commands to reload, restart the service? | 13:56 |
| pepe80 | Like systemctl daemon-reload | 13:56 |
| pepe80 | systemctl enable | 13:56 |
| pepe80 | systemctl start | 13:56 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's better then sysv | 13:56 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | just service | 13:57 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | service thing action | 13:57 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | or run the script directly | 13:57 |
| pepe80 | service daemon-reload? | 13:58 |
| pepe80 | service enable X | 13:58 |
| ShorTie | all the commands are in a case statement normally | 13:59 |
| ShorTie | you just need to tweek them for your thing | 14:00 |
| adhoc | pepe80: perhaps you could read through an existing service to get an idea | 14:01 |
| adhoc | rather than; systemctl | 14:01 |
| adhoc | you have; | 14:01 |
| adhoc | service $SERVICE stop | 14:01 |
| adhoc | service $SERVICE start | 14:01 |
| adhoc | etc | 14:01 |
| adhoc | you can use these to enable/disable also | 14:01 |
| onefang | sysv-rc-conf is also a useful tool. | 14:03 |
| pepe80 | OK, thank yu | 14:03 |
| adhoc | pepe80: are you writing new software? | 14:04 |
| Bronzu | wait what | 14:05 |
| Bronzu | Where can I find more stuff to read about this? | 14:05 |
| adhoc | Bronzu: a little context ? | 14:06 |
| Bronzu | The freenode network changing hands | 14:06 |
| Bronzu | A global notice was posted | 14:06 |
| onefang | #freenode or was it ##freenode. | 14:07 |
| adhoc | Bronzu: perhaps #devuan-offtopic might be a better place ? | 14:07 |
| pepe80 | @adoc No, I'm tryint to implement this: | 14:07 |
| pepe80 | https://www.howtoforge.com/economical-append-only-offsite-backups-with-restic-and-wasabi-debian/ | 14:07 |
| crashoverride | Bronzu: we know, it's already being discussed on -offtopic | 14:07 |
| Bronzu | Sure I'll go look somewhere else, it's just that the notice is here but ok. | 14:07 |
| crashoverride | Bronzu: you're not the first one to say it :P | 14:08 |
| crashoverride | it's been happening for a week and a half, since Ariadne leaked the logs with nirvana and rasengan | 14:08 |
| crashoverride | and since all the staffers (like jess here) wrote resignation letters and publicly posted them all over. | 14:08 |
| Bronzu | Guess I'm late huh, anyway good to know. I'll read into it to know what to expect as I use IRC overall since only recently. | 14:09 |
| adhoc | #freenode is quite over the top at the moment... | 14:10 |
| adhoc | pepe80: got it "2.5 Setup rclone to serve restic via systemd" | 14:12 |
| adhoc | pepe80: so I would suggest checking out the /etc/init.d/ files, something simple that implements start and stop | 14:13 |
| adhoc | copy it to a new files, edit it | 14:13 |
| adhoc | pepe80: you will also note, futher down in "5.2 Run the backup script" | 14:15 |
| xrogaan | the #freenode channel is not moderated anymore, for obvious reasons. | 14:15 |
| adhoc | that there is a cron job, you will need to update the file to run the shell script | 14:15 |
| adhoc | pepe80: I would suggest running it by hand initially so you can understand what is going on. | 14:15 |
| Kitty | I think I've found a bug in the installer | 14:16 |
| adhoc | then in another shell/xterm, you can run the back-restic.sh script and observe | 14:16 |
| adhoc | xrogaan: it certainly looks that way =) | 14:16 |
| xrogaan | For backups solution, I would suggest https://www.borgbackup.org/ | 14:16 |
| adhoc | xrogaan: assume there are good reasons for the current tool... | 14:21 |
| Kitty | when trying to do an install using encrypted file system, on top of RAID, | 14:21 |
| adhoc | I need to head to bed... night all | 14:21 |
| Kitty | it doesn't create the file system on top of the encrypted device | 14:21 |
| Kitty | and then it fails to mount it | 14:21 |
| adhoc | Kitty: platform? | 14:21 |
| Kitty | amd64 | 14:21 |
| xrogaan | adhoc: honestly, I assume anything hosted on howtoforge to be out of date or unreliable. | 14:22 |
| adhoc | version of install media ? | 14:22 |
| Kitty | devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_amd64-netinstall.iso | 14:22 |
| adhoc | ah | 14:22 |
| Kitty | it also doesn't detect my X710-AT2 network card | 14:22 |
| pepe80 | thank u so much for your help adhoc, @xrogan ... I must leave | 14:26 |
| Kitty | ahaha! on the 37th attempt, it's now installing a base system | 14:38 |
| Kitty | well I fixed the network issue. Had to compile my own module | 15:30 |
| brocashelm | so, is devuan staying on freenode or moving to another server? | 15:34 |
| brocashelm | https://www.kline.sh/ | 15:34 |
| gnarface | i think it is a little early to say | 15:34 |
| onefang | We are discussing that now. So correct, to early to say. | 15:35 |
| crashoverride | being discussed on a chan that requires an account to join. | 15:36 |
| crashoverride | which, in the light of the information we now have, is a *bad* move. | 15:36 |
| gnarface | i can configure ratbox if anyone just wants to host a irc server just for devuan | 15:36 |
| cronolio | "What you knew as freenode after 12:00 UTC of May 19 will be managed by different people." from https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_461 | 15:36 |
| brocashelm | are there any other irc networks? i use rizon | 15:36 |
| Kitty | oftc | 15:36 |
| onefang | and libera.chat, apparently run by the ex freenode staffers fleeing this sinking ship. So I'm told. | 15:37 |
| onefang | I've not tried either. | 15:38 |
| brocashelm | i have enough problems connecting to freenode as it is because i'm usually behind vpn | 15:39 |
| onefang | I'm behind VPN to, no problem, but then I run my own VPN. | 15:40 |
| crashoverride | gnarface: that's nice. | 15:40 |
| crashoverride | onefang: libera.chat is currently under heavy DDoS. | 15:41 |
| gnarface | for real? | 15:41 |
| gnarface | that seems suspicious | 15:41 |
| onefang | https://www.oftc.net/ for those that don't know what OTFC is. I had to ask myself, though I may have used it many moons ago. | 15:41 |
| crashoverride | gnarface: no, it's not, it's what happens when 20k users move all at once to a new network. | 15:42 |
| crashoverride | gnarface: and also all want to know what's up | 15:42 |
| brocashelm | so maybe devuan host their own irc server | 15:42 |
| brocashelm | shouldn't be hard | 15:42 |
| brocashelm | centralization is a bad thing | 15:42 |
| crashoverride | brocashelm: +1 | 15:43 |
| gnarface | freenode had a good run, this is way longer than i thought it would last | 15:43 |
| brocashelm | i'm just surprised irc is still a thing | 15:43 |
| brocashelm | and it should still be a thing | 15:43 |
| crashoverride | it's the only non-compulsory chat service that does not require XML :P | 15:44 |
| mason | bbl - will re-emerge on whatever replacement network is chosen! | 16:20 |
| Sissel | Hi out there, I've got a problem with refracta2usb. Persistence doesn't work. I made a second Partition (ext2) with a label and made it with mkpersist, but there aer no data stored and changes to the system are away after booting :( | 16:22 |
| Sissel | The partition persistence isn't mounted after start, is this right? Or should it be mounted? | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | it should be mounted | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | there should be a boot menu entry with the right options to use the persistent volume | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | it gets created when you create the persistent volume | 16:37 |
| fsmithred | and it will be the last item in the boot menu unless you moved it up when the menu opened in a text editor | 16:37 |
| Sissel | Hi fsmithred, glad you're here. I booted the menu item with the persistence information, but no effect :( | 16:39 |
| fsmithred | check the logs in /var/log/live/ | 16:41 |
| Sissel | in config.log: init line 1515 can't open /tmp/custom_mounts.list no such file | 16:44 |
| Sissel | Nothing from/with persistence | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what to make of that | 16:45 |
| Sissel | What would be one the persistence Partition after normal circumstances? Any Directories/Files? | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | df -h | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | should show the partition mounted | 16:48 |
| fsmithred | at /run/live/persistence or something like that | 16:48 |
| Sissel | nope | 16:48 |
| fsmithred | booting isolinux or grub? (legacy bios or uefi?) | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | PM me your boot command | 16:49 |
| Sissel | Did you got it? I'm not an irc-connaisseur | 16:55 |
| Josh_2 | Y'all going to libera? | 18:42 |
| miskatonic | what is libera? | 18:42 |
| Josh_2 | some other irc | 18:42 |
| miskatonic | some channels switch to oftc | 18:43 |
| redrick | You'll want to see https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_461 and https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/ | 18:43 |
| Josh_2 | "Trumpian wannabe korean royalty bitcoins millionaire" low what retard wrote that | 18:43 |
| redrick | When the Freenode staff and admins walk away and found a new IRC network, that is a serious matter and not just social media noise. | 18:44 |
| miskatonic | does libera.chat have the same nickserv commands as freenode? | 18:47 |
| redrick | Back about twenty years ago, what is now Freenode was operated/owned by my friend Rob 'lilo' Levin, who alienated so many people that most mindshare left and formed the other dominant IRC network in techdom, literally called lilofree.net . The schism persisted until Rob's untimely death in Houston. | 18:48 |
| redrick | I have not yet visited libera.chat . This whole matter is new to my attention. | 18:48 |
| redrick | One of the now-resigned ops, "fuchs" says in his resignation letter that then-head of Freenode staff "christel", two years ago sold holding company Freenode, Ltd. to third-party Andrew Lee to facilitate legal requirments for holding a Freenode #live conference, but Lee has now been intervening to dismiss democratically elected Freenode team heads and gain operational control at a technical level, leading to the current mass departures. ... | 18:59 |
| redrick | ... https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt | 18:59 |
| redrick | More unsavoury details from a different resignation letter, that of Aaron Jones (amdj): https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491 | 19:01 |
| Josh_2 | Just signed up for libera, all the same as freenode with nickserv etc, uses tls etc etc | 19:14 |
| redrick | Critically, Freenode has always been highly decentralised and does not own infrastructure other than domains freenode.net/org/com . In particular, the ircd servers are all owned by third parties and used on a rotating basis. Mr. Andrew Lee may end the day owning a holding corporation and three Internet domains that effectively point to nothing. | 19:20 |
| redrick | Well, I'm going over to check out irc.libera.chat . | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, Mr Lee messed it up thoroughly and I don't see how to recover from this, particularly not FN network with the massive braindrain | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | downside: libera has NO database yet, no registered groups, no nick and password db, not even chan modes and /topic for any channel copied from FN. I don't get it why they didn't tahe at least the channel modes DB with them when they moved to libera | 19:34 |
| debdog | lawyer's advice? | 19:35 |
| lts | IPR of the old company I suppose | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they didn't even migrate the exact version of chanserv services, "access" command missing so your comman shortcuts and your procedures you know by heart don't work, as don't any bots using those | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lts: all this *could* as well get harvested from mere IRC API by anybody | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so not much IPR in there | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem rather starts when acls refer to account/user names and you don't have the user account db to base that on | 19:39 |
| xinomilo | if anyone could copy user dbs - personal data to any new service/entity they moved to, that would be troublesome... more like fb tactics.... i find it relieving they didn't use such tactics.. | 19:48 |
| DPA | My nick on libera is now DPA too. | 21:51 |
| xrogaan | Huh, just noticed that I have elogind-daemon running. | 22:28 |
| MinceR | :( | 22:28 |
| xrogaan | Didn't have it before switching to chimaera. | 22:28 |
| xrogaan | huh, it switched from consolekit to elogind for some reason. | 22:29 |
| xrogaan | but consolekit is still installed! | 22:30 |
| MinceR | maybe something depends on *logind | 22:30 |
| xrogaan | simulating removal of elogind would remove the following: elogind gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-daemons libpam-elogind udiskie udisks2 | 22:33 |
| MinceR | sounds like something in the gvfs/udisks2 tumor depends on it | 22:34 |
| xrogaan | Thing is, I've been using this system without obvious issues while having both consolekit and elogind active. | 22:34 |
| xrogaan | but libpolkit uses consolekit. | 22:34 |
| xrogaan | Yep. udisks2 requires 'default-logind | logind', and that's only provided by libpam-elogind. | 22:39 |
| ham5urg | Is there a way to randomize the Bluetooth Mac of my device? My Wifi Mac I managed to randomize. | 23:55 |
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