xrogaan | Querying here: anybody uses archivemail? | 03:08 |
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KREYREN | howddya get widevine on chromium using testing devuan | 04:01 |
KREYREN | nwm got google-chrome in flatpak | 04:25 |
xrogaan | flatpak! *spat* | 04:29 |
xrogaan | btw, widevine isn't available in debian, at all. | 04:33 |
fluffywolf | so that thing on freenode is one of the most hilarious things I've seen in a while. | 05:21 |
golinux | What "thing" | 05:23 |
fluffywolf | some freenode bot just deopped everyone and unregistered the channel | 05:24 |
fluffywolf | saying the channel was against policies. | 05:24 |
onefang | And devoiced us. | 05:25 |
golinux | We should try to get all metion of devuan off of freenode IMO. | 05:25 |
fluffywolf | well, #devuan is gone, as is ##devuan it tries forwarding to. | 05:26 |
fluffywolf | someone might want to sit in ##devuan to tell people to move here. but, it's impossible to get ops in it, to do anything else. | 05:27 |
drakonis | https://twitter.com/andy_kelley/status/1397388932367601665 | 05:28 |
drakonis | https://twitter.com/kmett/status/1397387923993944064 | 05:28 |
fluffywolf | I have no idea why they have a channel killing bot, but there you have it. lol | 05:28 |
fluffywolf | seems like they're doing an excellent job encouraging people to leave. | 05:29 |
gast0n__ | https://0x0.st/-eC5.png :D | 05:33 |
fluffywolf | I wonder if they're killing every channel with libera in the topic. | 05:34 |
gast0n | I think yes, they are doing that | 05:35 |
onefang | Only actual #devuan-* channel I still see untouched doesn't even have a topic. | 05:35 |
fluffywolf | alas, I'm still going to keep using freenode, as long as I can't get my channel back here. | 05:37 |
gast0n | at the end you mention the change in policies, someone warned about this on the mailing list https://freenode.net/news/for-foss | 05:39 |
gast0n | at the end the change in policies is mentioned* | 05:40 |
onefang | It's just good manners to leave a pointer to the new place in the old place when moving for any reason. Good manners is against policy now? | 05:41 |
dissident | no money in good manners | 05:42 |
fluffywolf | no part of what's happening lately involves good manners. | 05:43 |
markizano | Kizano | 05:46 |
Kizano | apologies. wrong window. | 05:49 |
Kizano | Hi ya'll! | 05:50 |
joerg | FN "staff" went completely berserk, redefining their policy a 9h ago and going across all channels that had *libera* in topic and nuking them | 07:21 |
joerg | so here we are | 07:22 |
gast0n | yes, see https://0x0.st/-eC5.png | 07:22 |
onefang | Not nuking all of them, at least one got "replaced". | 07:30 |
golinux | joerg: Do you still have ops on those channels? | 07:32 |
joerg | yes | 07:32 |
golinux | So you will be able to delete the ones that are "empty"? | 07:33 |
golinux | I really would like to get anything Devuan off of FN asap. | 07:33 |
joerg | well, you technically hardly can "delete" a channel. As soon as anybody joins the channel exists out of nowhere | 07:34 |
joerg | the channels hardly are empty. I could kick everybody there | 07:34 |
joerg | then they are empty and then they are "dead" as they still continue to exist but nobody is allowed to join them anymore | 07:35 |
golinux | Anyway to send a message to all of them? | 07:35 |
joerg | all users? | 07:36 |
onefang | The two #devuan-* channels I'm still in over there have only a handful. One of those was the one I reported having being taken over. | 07:36 |
golinux | Devuan users | 07:36 |
golinux | Telling them where to go. | 07:36 |
golinux | Like a global Devuan announcement. | 07:36 |
joerg | we can only send a message to those that are in channel | 07:37 |
golinux | That would be a start | 07:37 |
joerg | and I had a forward to ##moved_to_libera channel that explained in topic "the channel you wanted to join has moved to libera" | 07:38 |
golinux | Take note of who you sent it to. the list | 07:38 |
onefang | Ah that was you. The number of people in that channel keeps growing. lol | 07:38 |
joerg | ohmy | 07:38 |
onefang | Only one person seems to have voice though, keeps answering questions I don't see. | 07:39 |
onefang | I left it. | 07:39 |
golinux | This idiot could do damage to Devuan if he controls the channels. | 07:40 |
joerg | sorry, my mistake. #devuan is [Notice] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. | 07:41 |
joerg | I can't join either | 07:42 |
golinux | Oh my . . . | 07:42 |
onefang | So you are not responsible for ##moved_to_libera? | 07:42 |
golinux | What about parazyd? | 07:42 |
onefang | I figured the 400+ and growing people in there are coz it's redirected from multiple channels. | 07:42 |
golinux | I didnt recognize very many of the names the last time I looked at it | 07:43 |
gast0n | 02:44 ..gast0n | info #devuan-es | 07:45 |
gast0n | 02:44 ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) Information on #devuan-es: | 07:45 |
gast0n | 02:44 ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) Founder : freenode-placeholder-account | 07:45 |
gast0n | 02:44 ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) Registered : May 26 02:59:26 2021 (2h 45m 10s ago) | 07:45 |
gast0n | 02:44 ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) The #devuan namespace is registered to the devuan project | 07:45 |
gast0n | 02:44 ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) *** End of Info *** | 07:45 |
gast0n | parazyd is no longer listed as founder | 07:45 |
golinux | Is there a new founder? | 07:46 |
lightbringer | that placeholder account is the new founder | 07:47 |
gast0n | As I understand it from what is seen here: https://0x0.st/-eC5.png, Freenode made the decision to release the channels that moved to Libera | 07:47 |
golinux | please define "release" | 07:48 |
onefang | "release" meaning "hijack them and toss people out" | 07:49 |
gast0n | set free | 07:49 |
golinux | And what happens to the empty channel? | 07:49 |
onefang | I'm only in two of them now, but been devoiced in one of those. I might not make it back in to that one next time I log in. | 07:49 |
onefang | I think it varies. | 07:50 |
gast0n | now if you try to enter it does not let you and redirects you to ##devuan-es, if someone wants to register it again, I suppose they will have to request it from the staff | 07:50 |
golinux | I can still access most of them because I haven't logged out of them. | 07:50 |
golinux | All "official" Devuan channels should be removed from FN | 07:51 |
golinux | I'm ready for bed. See y'all tomorrow . . . | 07:52 |
onefang | G'night. | 07:52 |
gast0n | good night | 07:52 |
Xenguy | nn | 07:52 |
golinux | Carry on! | 07:52 |
Xenguy | Keep calm and... | 07:52 |
golinux | I don;t have a problem with that. | 07:53 |
Xenguy | : -) | 07:53 |
joerg | sorry, I actually have no access whatsoever to any FN #devuan* channels | 07:54 |
onefang | So you are not responsible for ##moved_to_libera joerg? | 07:54 |
joerg | please rephrase your question | 07:55 |
joerg | [26 May 2021 07:56:17] [Notice] -ChanServ- Information on ##moved_to_libera: | 07:57 |
joerg | [26 May 2021 07:56:17] [Notice] -ChanServ- Founder : phy1729 | 07:57 |
joerg | [26 May 2021 07:56:17] [Notice] -ChanServ- Registered : May 19 17:17:53 2021 (6d 12h 38m 23s ago) | 07:57 |
joerg | I have no special role in that channel | 07:57 |
joerg | [26 May 2021 07:58:06] [Notice] -ChanServ- Information on #devuan: | 07:58 |
joerg | [26 May 2021 07:58:06] [Notice] -ChanServ- Founder : freenode-placeholder-account | 07:58 |
joerg | [26 May 2021 07:58:06] [Notice] -ChanServ- Registered : May 26 03:09:04 2021 (2h 49m 1s ago) | 07:58 |
joerg | /join #devuan | 07:59 |
joerg | [26 May 2021 07:59:15] [471] DocScrutinizer05 #devuan Cannot join channel (+l) - channel is full, try again later | 07:59 |
onefang | You implied before that you created ##moved_to_libera, which seems to be a redirection of at least one of the #devuan channels. Now you say you are not responsible for any of them. | 08:00 |
lightbringer | they wanted to "release" them but apparently decided that people should use the about channel instead, so this stupid decision was the result | 08:00 |
joerg | so golinux no worries, the channel #devuan *is* "deleted" for all that matters | 08:00 |
lightbringer | which then they implemented in an extremely stupid way | 08:00 |
onefang | phy1729 seems to be the only one of 400+ people that can talk in that channel, and seems to be answering unseen questions. | 08:00 |
joerg | onefang: I said I did a *forward* to that channel | 08:01 |
onefang | And the number of people in that channel is increasing. | 08:01 |
onefang | You forwarded a bunch of channels? | 08:01 |
onefang | And others did to? | 08:01 |
* Xenguy wonders who these 400+ people are ... | 08:02 | |
onefang | Which is why it's 400+ and growing? | 08:02 |
joerg | yes | 08:02 |
onefang | So those 400+ people are being redirected from other channels, and devoiced anyway. And FN staff haven't found it yet to close it down. lol | 08:04 |
joerg | phy1729 is a nice guy who even modified topic of their channel according to my request and they seem to have set the channel to "moderated" and actually answering questions which prolly are like >>how did I get here? where did I come from? and WHY???<< | 08:04 |
onefang | Yeah, I was guessing his answers are to Talking Heads style questions. | 08:05 |
joerg | they are not devoiced, the channel is moderated so only OPs can see normal people posts | 08:05 |
joerg | but everybody can see OPs answers | 08:05 |
joerg | which I think is a very appropriate config for a channel where users from arbitrary other channels drop in and have no idea what happened | 08:06 |
joerg | anyway sorry, I got three other projects at hand that suffered similar fate | 08:06 |
onefang | So no point me being there, or trying to be in the #devuan channels redirected there. | 08:06 |
joerg | busy | 08:07 |
onefang | I'm also really busy with six other things. | 08:07 |
joerg | I hope to have done all I possibly could | 08:07 |
onefang | Thanks. | 08:07 |
Xenguy | Thanks joerg , sounds like it's time to slash and burn over there on FN, or that's already been done | 08:08 |
joerg | they did it on our behalf | 08:09 |
Xenguy | FN is dead, long live FN! | 08:09 |
joerg | see https://0x0.st/-eC5.png (thanks gast0n ) | 08:09 |
Xenguy | Yep | 08:10 |
Xenguy | End of an era | 08:10 |
joerg | pondering if A.Lee could even get sued for abusing a customer when they snatch away a Corporate Name Registered Trademark namespace they formerly granted to exactly that company (in my case #openmoko and #neo900 and #maemo ) | 09:13 |
Xenguy | Probably, but deep pockets needed I expect, as Mr. Millionaire has money and lawyers | 09:22 |
omen_ | hmm.. devuan crashed somehow during me sleeping. Is there somethinig like journald? | 10:31 |
omen_ | it seems it did not really crash, but failed to produce any image to monitor | 10:33 |
omen_ | so I had to reboot from button | 10:33 |
onefang | Most files in /var/log are plain text. | 10:34 |
Xenguy | .oO( All OS's suck, some just suck less ) | 10:37 |
yeti | ! | 10:42 |
omen | it seems noveau had bad dreams | 10:42 |
omen | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5xrDT4xVh5/ | 10:42 |
omen | still better than nvidia proprietary driver :) | 10:45 |
Katje | Another day, another adventure in what bugs can I find in the installer... | 14:07 |
onefang | I'm searching for bugs in the latest release of OpenSim. lol | 14:07 |
Katje | well it's not that I want to find bugs, it's just I seem to be doing so by accident | 14:09 |
* dissident doesn't look for bugs, they make themselves known :p | 14:09 | |
onefang | I gotta test everything before putting this version up on my server. Testing everything in a virtual world takes a loooong tiiiimeee. | 14:10 |
joerg | somebody could have hollered already :-) | 14:26 |
joerg | [26 May 2021 14:26:33] *** You remove the quiet on $~a. | 14:27 |
djph | *sigh* I must be blind ... I can take a beowulf install and kick it straight over to Chimaera right? | 14:34 |
fsmithred | djph, most of the upgrades I've done from beowulf to chimaera were pretty easy | 14:35 |
fsmithred | if you want a fresh chimaera install, there are test isos. I can find the link. | 14:36 |
djph | eventually | 14:39 |
djph | Have a server that I'm replacing the RAID array in, might as well kick it | 14:39 |
fsmithred | Katje, I can't reproduce the problem you had yesterday going into rescue mode with encrypted lvm. It's working fine here. | 14:39 |
fsmithred | Did you create the encrypted lvm manually or with the installer? | 14:40 |
fsmithred | I don't think I've upgraded a RAID to chimaera. Let me know how it goes. | 14:40 |
Katje | with the installer | 14:46 |
Katje | it's encrypted file system, on top of software raid | 14:46 |
Katje | did you have the raid level in there? | 14:48 |
fsmithred | Katje, no raid here | 14:58 |
Katje | fsmithred: I think it's the raid and encryption that causes it | 15:01 |
fsmithred | what order did you do things when you made this setup? | 15:01 |
fsmithred | I'm reading my own notes on raid-luks-lvm | 15:02 |
fsmithred | 'cause I don't remember how I did it | 15:02 |
Katje | so, I did: create partitions on all the disks | 15:02 |
Katje | then create the raid arrays | 15:02 |
Katje | then create the encrypted partitions | 15:02 |
fsmithred | ok, that's how I've done it manually | 15:02 |
fsmithred | so in rescue mode, does it ask to assemble the raid first? | 15:03 |
Katje | yes | 15:03 |
fsmithred | then what happens? | 15:03 |
fsmithred | it should ask for a password | 15:04 |
Katje | well it gives me a big long list of partitions, with the option at the bottom to assemble raid, so I assemble raid, then I have 3 raid devices in the list, and I select one of them, and then it errors as it can't find an ext4 file system | 15:04 |
fsmithred | I'm wondering if you need to go back to the installer menu after assembling the raid and select Enter Rescue Mode (or whatever it's called) | 15:05 |
fsmithred | not the boot menu | 15:05 |
Katje | tried that | 15:05 |
fsmithred | shit | 15:05 |
Katje | I think it needs an explicit "unlock encrypted filesystems" option | 15:05 |
fsmithred | maybe | 15:06 |
fsmithred | I have no idea how it knows when to ask about password | 15:06 |
Katje | exactly | 15:06 |
fsmithred | here's a thought | 15:06 |
fsmithred | after assembling raid, switch console or open a shell in the installer env | 15:07 |
fsmithred | unlock the encrypted vol | 15:07 |
fsmithred | then go back to installer an redo Enter rescue | 15:07 |
user__ | . | 18:01 |
lightbringer | , | 18:02 |
DPA | ` | 18:02 |
sammi` | ._. | 18:07 |
user__ | --.- ..- .. - - .... .- - | 18:08 |
* Akuli | 18:08 | |
user__ | Wish me luck, upgrading libx11 and xserver, bbiaf | 18:27 |
user__ | I know it's too late to ask, should I have backed up the xserver configs which I modified... | 18:28 |
user__ | Re. Nothing broke on upgrade apparently. Beowulf. | 18:51 |
user__ | Still testing stuff. | 18:52 |
user__ | libx11 upgrade did not break anything that I can see. | 18:52 |
golinux | Be patient! LOL! | 18:53 |
user__ | Yes, yes. | 18:53 |
user__ | <disconnected> | 18:53 |
user__ | What commands does one use to search package *descriptions* for keywords/re, assuming they are not installed? dlocate? | 19:47 |
user__ | dlocate does not seem to be able to do this. | 19:47 |
Night_H4nter | apt search? | 19:48 |
user__ | Does that not search only installed packages? I saw no network activity, and all hits seem to be locally installed. | 19:53 |
user__ | I am wrong, it uses the downloaded package descs. Ok. | 19:54 |
DashiePie | how would I go about getting Japanese locale, just for some select games that can't save without it | 20:15 |
hagbard | dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales | 20:16 |
DashiePie | that'll make it show up in my package manager? | 20:16 |
hagbard | no, that'll generate the chossen locales | 20:17 |
hagbard | *choosen | 20:18 |
DashiePie | what's with the -plow option? | 20:19 |
hagbard | That's priority. Low will aask you all questions, high only the most important ones. | 20:22 |
gnarface | don't forget you'll need some japanese fonts too | 20:23 |
rwp | user__, apt-cache search regex regex regex is what you want. Searches the cached Packages files. names and descriptions. | 20:23 |
gnarface | the default utf8 fonts are missing huge swathes of international glyphs | 20:23 |
DashiePie | I think I have them from running winetricks for a different game | 20:24 |
DashiePie | that game still didn't show text and I'm unsure why | 20:24 |
gnarface | for wine stuff you'll need the microsoft core font set as well as Tahoma (both are in winetricks) | 20:25 |
rwp | omen, The /var/log/syslog file would have (should have) all of the log information. But crashes often do not log anything. | 20:25 |
DashiePie | I installed almost literally every font | 20:26 |
DashiePie | the only ones that didn't work were the... | 20:26 |
DashiePie | adobe pdf or whatever ones | 20:26 |
gnarface | oh, you have to rob those from a copy of Adobe Illustrator, they're heavily protected by copyright | 20:26 |
DashiePie | it tried to download a web archive file, and it didn't work | 20:27 |
DashiePie | welp, guess I won't get 'em, then | 20:27 |
rwp | For locales the -plow isn't really needed. Just "dpkg-reconfigure locales" is enough to select locals. I ALWAYS set the System Environment to be none. | 20:27 |
gnarface | i've worked at places that got sued for pirating Illustrator fonts, they're actually watching for those | 20:27 |
DashiePie | not like it matters | 20:27 |
DashiePie | I want my default to be English | 20:27 |
rwp | Setting locale to none defaults to C/POSIX and sets "standard" traditional american english messages. | 20:28 |
rwp | But for the system environment that just means for logging into system logs and stuff. I always set my personal login to LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C LC_MESSAGES=C | 20:29 |
DashiePie | yeah, I'm gonna keep my default en_US | 20:30 |
DashiePie | okay, default locale is still en_US, but now I do have the ja_JP locale | 20:33 |
DashiePie | thanks gnar and hagbard | 20:38 |
omen | does nvidia tyrannic drivers work on devuan? | 21:55 |
omen | might be noveau crashing | 21:55 |
omen | pulseaudio[2540]: [pulseaudio] core-util.c: Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): No such file or directory | 21:57 |
omen | actually this is the last line in /var/log/syslog I think | 21:57 |
omen | I don't think that caused it though | 22:00 |
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