lightbringer | that bot is probably more than one line of code :> | 00:11 |
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redrick | I remember the visceral rebellion against lilo (Rob Levin) that launched lilofree.net (IRC network) to vote with their feet. When this current thing broke a week ago, I heard comparisons, and I said "Nope, this is orders of magnitude worse." | 00:24 |
fluffywolf | for one, lilo was a nice guy. | 00:25 |
redrick | I knew him (friend and co-worker), understood the annoyed people, and will not speak ill of the dead, especially as I am fond of Deborah and Benjamin Levin. | 00:27 |
fluffywolf | I still miss him. heh. | 00:27 |
redrick | joerg: I've been doing my part to make sure the future history of the rasengan self-own is complete and damning. Just posted another brick to the wall on https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/ , a moment ago. | 02:01 |
redrick | I don't want to portray the man as if he were a Bond villain. The truth is that he's doubtless trying to be a hero and loves IRC, but from the time of the 2017 purchase on, went down a path where nobody wins and he gets the figurative Nehru jacket and Persian cat. | 02:05 |
redrick | To be totally flippant: "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others." -- Ashleigh Brilliant | 02:06 |
joerg | redrick: which posz? | 02:21 |
joerg | post* | 02:21 |
joerg | aaah "Rick Moen" | 02:21 |
DashiePie | redrick: as the saying goes, we're all the hero of our own story | 02:22 |
joerg | redrick: many thanks | 02:28 |
joerg | redrick: still around? | 02:48 |
golinux | Probably dinner time | 02:50 |
joerg | https://ariadne.space/2021/05/20/the-whole-freenode-kerfluffle/ has an excellent analysis of what's likely on A.Lee's mind | 03:20 |
joerg | Matches with my own encounters with him | 03:20 |
redrick | Hi, still (again) here. | 04:56 |
redrick | Yes, I read that Ariadne piece, and it sounds plausible and insightful. | 04:57 |
redrick | And, sorry, I should indeed have clarified that "redrick" is yr. humble servant, Rick Moen. | 04:59 |
golinux | We know that. | 05:01 |
redrick | I hadn't clarified that to joerg when I mentioned the LWN coverage. | 05:12 |
Xenguy | redrick, I ended up searching on the page for 'moen' | 05:12 |
Xenguy | But happened to know that would probably work | 05:13 |
redrick | Which is a term in Danish and Norwegian for a glaciated meadow, FYI. (Yr. welcome!) | 05:13 |
Xenguy | cool | 05:14 |
redrick | Toponym. European surnames generally were an artifact of the desire of central gov'ts to tax people, which in turn required they have consistent and relatively unique identifiers. | 05:15 |
Xenguy | Sounds entirely plausible to me | 05:15 |
* Xenguy cues up the final episodes of Season 3, Star Trek TOS ... | 05:17 | |
* fluffywolf remembers most of the episodes, but not what seasons they were part of | 05:19 | |
Xenguy | I think one reason I enjoy them so much is due to how much I've forgotten : -) | 05:19 |
Xenguy | It has been a long time, great to watch it again, very nostalgic, and just a great little series for the time | 05:20 |
fluffywolf | definitely better than the serieses (it's a word! I say so!) since... | 05:21 |
Xenguy | I liked TNG, that'll be next in the sequence of nostalgic TV series I expect | 05:22 |
fluffywolf | TNG was good too. | 05:23 |
fluffywolf | Voyager was... not great. ds9 was awful. enterprise was a steaming pile of shit. I haven't seen anything newer. | 05:24 |
joerg | hmm, Star Trek now really sounds like a topic for offtopic ;-) | 05:24 |
redrick | "All Our Yesterdays" didn't suck. "The Enterprise Incident" (S03E02), which presumably you've seen, didn't suck. The rest of S02 I'd skip unless terribly bored. | 05:25 |
redrick | Sorry, yes, totally needs to move to #devuan-offtopic. | 05:25 |
redrick | But I meant S03. ;-> | 05:26 |
golinux | To OT maybe? | 05:27 |
redrick | Quite. | 05:27 |
golinux | Ha . . . beat me to it | 05:27 |
daemon | that was a lot of k-lines is andrew on staff :P | 07:44 |
luser979 | re: Libera bylaws #5: broken, should indicate minimum quorum count present for valid vote. ref: | 07:56 |
xrogaan | what's up with pulseaudio autospawn thing? | 12:40 |
xrogaan | on chimaera I mean | 12:42 |
xrogaan | it seems to be enabled by default? | 12:42 |
xrogaan | > Enable autospawn automatically on sysvinit systems. | 12:44 |
xrogaan | apparently, yeah | 12:44 |
ham5urg | I have a question which bothers me 20 years and I never really made the effort to show it to other. It's about package handling via apt or apt-get in past days. E.g. when I install and remove freecad, my harddisk get bloated with stuff. I have put that example in detail here: http://paste.debian.net/1199382/ Why is it uncomfortable to remove what has been installed? | 14:10 |
hagbard | You can turn off recommends, that generally eases up dependencies by a lot. | 14:14 |
ham5urg | But why is it impossible to automatically remove the installation perfectly? | 14:16 |
ham5urg | It's no big deal to have the packages lying around but still, it would be nice to have the system in a defined state. | 14:20 |
hagbard | Hm, it seems to do just that? | 14:23 |
rm | ham5urg, check out "deborphan" | 14:24 |
hagbard | autoremove does not just autoremove the packages that have been installed with freecad, but autoremoves _all_ packages that can be autoremoved, according to the manpage. | 14:24 |
hagbard | That's why there are so many. | 14:25 |
rm | and yes, autoremove doesn't take a package argument | 14:25 |
rm | "deborphan --guess-all" is the super in-depth version of autoremove | 14:26 |
GoatAvenger | I've found that irritating too. Seems likely there is a way to completely remove a package and all the installed files | 14:26 |
rm | also there's "debfoster" | 14:26 |
hagbard | ham5urg: Looks like you never did autoremove beore. | 14:27 |
ham5urg | hagbard, I do autoremove since it is available. If all packages which are installed as dependency to freecad, are not deinstalled with freecad, without any package added/removed in the meantime, I interpret this as a bug. | 14:27 |
GoatAvenger | i try to use 'apt purge (package)' but not sure if that still leaves some remaining files/configs/etc.. | 14:27 |
hagbard | Using aptitude instead of using apt directly also nicely takes care of such things automatically. | 14:28 |
ham5urg | I guess at time of installation some informations are lost. But this would be a problem to be discussed with the apt-devs. | 14:31 |
ham5urg | The young Voidlinux does remove it perfect. | 14:32 |
joerg | moin | 14:34 |
ham5urg | rm, when I use deborphan, I get no package of the 27 not removed packages shown. | 14:38 |
rm | maybe it's different with "Recommends" | 14:39 |
rm | I always have in my /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; | 14:40 |
rm | that way only dependencies of a package get installed with it | 14:40 |
rm | and deborphan easily sees if anything has been only installed as a dependency for something else, and lists it | 14:40 |
ham5urg | Yes, maybe the recommends are not stored. I will try it. | 14:41 |
brocashelm | is ps_mem.py exclusive to refracta? | 18:31 |
fsmithred | no | 18:31 |
fsmithred | and there are a few versions floating around | 18:31 |
fsmithred | and I had to do something with python to get it to work in chimaera | 18:31 |
fsmithred | brocashelm, does it work for you? | 18:32 |
brocashelm | yeah, i'm using the current build from the original repo | 18:33 |
brocashelm | it's a lot snappier than the version my install shipped with | 18:34 |
fsmithred | which original repo? | 18:34 |
brocashelm | pixelb | 18:34 |
brocashelm | https://github.com/pixelb/ps_mem | 18:34 |
fsmithred | I don't know what came from where, but I have one that's 458 lines and another that's 667. | 18:35 |
brocashelm | i took note there were forks; didn't use those | 18:35 |
fsmithred | and I think I just changed the she-bang in chimaera so it says "python3" | 18:35 |
brocashelm | yeah, i noticed this build adds 100 more lines | 18:35 |
brocashelm | funny you mention that: i'm using ceres, but now it went from "chimaera/ceres" to "chimaera" when doing neofetch | 18:35 |
fsmithred | oh, maybe base-files update changed that | 18:36 |
Beer | From https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php I would tell 3 things: The growth of Libera Chat is quite nice; Freenode is "resisting" but gets | 18:37 |
brocashelm | this build is very snappy | 18:37 |
brocashelm | the previous one from refracta install took a few seconds to calculate | 18:37 |
Beer | From https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php I would tell 3 things: The growth of Libera Chat is quite nice; Freenode is "resisting" but got cut by 0% of users; Freenode's number of servers boomed? | 18:38 |
junicchi | after learning freenode drama destroyed my account immediately | 18:47 |
junicchi | its seems like all channels i participated in are already migrated to libera | 18:48 |
junicchi | btw does ##devuan on freenode still exist? | 18:48 |
sammi` | fun fact about earth | 18:49 |
onefang | Fun facts about Earth should go to #devuan-offtopic. | 18:52 |
joerg | junicchi: doesn't matter if it exists or not, it's unrelated to Devuan anyway | 18:55 |
junicchi | it is | 18:56 |
junicchi | meta discussions are still related to devuan | 18:57 |
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