libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2021-05-30

lightbringerthat bot is probably more than one line of code :>00:11
redrickI remember the visceral rebellion against lilo (Rob Levin) that launched lilofree.net (IRC network) to vote with their feet.  When this current thing broke a week ago, I heard comparisons, and I said "Nope, this is orders of magnitude worse."00:24
fluffywolffor one, lilo was a nice guy.00:25
redrickI knew him (friend and co-worker), understood the annoyed people, and will not speak ill of the dead, especially as I am fond of Deborah and Benjamin Levin.00:27
fluffywolfI still miss him.  heh.00:27
redrickjoerg:  I've been doing my part to make sure the future history of the rasengan self-own is complete and damning.  Just posted another brick to the wall on https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/ , a moment ago.02:01
redrickI don't want to portray the man as if he were a Bond villain.  The truth is that he's doubtless trying to be a hero and loves IRC, but from the time of the 2017 purchase on, went down a path where nobody wins and he gets the figurative Nehru jacket and Persian cat.02:05
redrickTo be totally flippant:  "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others."  -- Ashleigh Brilliant02:06
joergredrick: which posz?02:21
joergpost*02:21
joergaaah "Rick Moen"02:21
DashiePieredrick: as the saying goes, we're all the hero of our own story02:22
joergredrick: many thanks02:28
joergredrick: still around?02:48
golinuxProbably dinner time02:50
joerghttps://ariadne.space/2021/05/20/the-whole-freenode-kerfluffle/ has an excellent analysis of what's likely on A.Lee's mind03:20
joergMatches with my own encounters with him03:20
redrickHi, still (again) here.04:56
redrickYes, I read that Ariadne piece, and it sounds plausible and insightful.04:57
redrickAnd, sorry, I should indeed have clarified that "redrick" is yr. humble servant, Rick Moen.04:59
golinuxWe know that.05:01
redrickI hadn't clarified that to joerg when I mentioned the LWN coverage.05:12
Xenguyredrick, I ended up searching on the page for 'moen'05:12
XenguyBut happened to know that would probably work05:13
redrickWhich is a term in Danish and Norwegian for a glaciated meadow, FYI.  (Yr. welcome!)05:13
Xenguycool05:14
redrickToponym.  European surnames generally were an artifact of the desire of central gov'ts to tax people, which in turn required they have consistent and relatively unique identifiers.05:15
XenguySounds entirely plausible to me05:15
* Xenguy cues up the final episodes of Season 3, Star Trek TOS ...05:17
* fluffywolf remembers most of the episodes, but not what seasons they were part of05:19
XenguyI think one reason I enjoy them so much is due to how much I've forgotten : -)05:19
XenguyIt has been a long time, great to watch it again, very nostalgic, and just a great little series for the time05:20
fluffywolfdefinitely better than the serieses (it's a word!  I say so!) since...05:21
XenguyI liked TNG, that'll be next in the sequence of nostalgic TV series I expect05:22
fluffywolfTNG was good too.05:23
fluffywolfVoyager was...  not great.  ds9 was awful.  enterprise was a steaming pile of shit.  I haven't seen anything newer.05:24
joerghmm, Star Trek now really sounds like a topic for offtopic ;-)05:24
redrick"All Our Yesterdays" didn't suck.  "The Enterprise Incident" (S03E02), which presumably you've seen, didn't suck.  The rest of S02 I'd skip unless terribly bored.05:25
redrickSorry, yes, totally needs to move to #devuan-offtopic.05:25
redrickBut I meant S03.  ;->05:26
golinuxTo OT maybe?05:27
redrickQuite.05:27
golinuxHa . . . beat me to it05:27
daemonthat was a lot of k-lines is andrew on staff :P07:44
luser979re: Libera bylaws #5: broken, should indicate minimum quorum  count present for valid vote. ref:07:56
xrogaanwhat's up with pulseaudio autospawn thing?12:40
xrogaanon chimaera I mean12:42
xrogaanit seems to be enabled by default?12:42
xrogaan> Enable autospawn automatically on sysvinit systems.12:44
xrogaanapparently, yeah12:44
ham5urgI have a question which bothers me 20 years and I never really made the effort to show it to other. It's about package handling via apt or apt-get in past days. E.g. when I install and remove freecad, my harddisk get bloated with stuff. I have put that example in detail here: http://paste.debian.net/1199382/ Why is it uncomfortable to remove what has been installed?14:10
hagbardYou can turn off recommends, that generally eases up dependencies by a lot.14:14
ham5urgBut why is it impossible to automatically remove the installation perfectly?14:16
ham5urgIt's no big deal to have the packages lying around but still, it would be nice to have the system in a defined state.14:20
hagbardHm, it seems to do just that?14:23
rmham5urg, check out "deborphan"14:24
hagbardautoremove does not just autoremove the packages that have been installed with freecad, but autoremoves _all_ packages that can be autoremoved, according to the manpage.14:24
hagbardThat's why there are so many.14:25
rmand yes, autoremove doesn't take a package argument14:25
rm"deborphan --guess-all" is the super in-depth version of autoremove14:26
GoatAvengerI've found that irritating too.  Seems likely there is a way to completely remove a package and all the installed files14:26
rmalso there's "debfoster"14:26
hagbardham5urg: Looks like you never did autoremove beore.14:27
ham5urghagbard, I do autoremove since it is available. If all packages which are installed as dependency to freecad, are not deinstalled with freecad, without any package added/removed in the meantime, I interpret this as a bug.14:27
GoatAvengeri try to use 'apt purge (package)' but not sure if that still leaves some remaining files/configs/etc..14:27
hagbardUsing aptitude instead of using apt directly also nicely takes care of such things automatically.14:28
ham5urgI guess at time of installation some informations are lost. But this would be a problem to be discussed with the apt-devs.14:31
ham5urgThe young Voidlinux does remove it perfect.14:32
joergmoin14:34
ham5urgrm, when I use deborphan, I get no package of the 27 not removed packages shown.14:38
rmmaybe it's different with "Recommends"14:39
rmI always have in my /etc/apt/apt.conf:     APT::Install-Recommends "false";14:40
rmthat way only dependencies of a package get installed with it14:40
rmand deborphan easily sees if anything has been only installed as a dependency for something else, and lists it14:40
ham5urgYes, maybe the recommends are not stored. I will try it.14:41
brocashelmis ps_mem.py exclusive to refracta?18:31
fsmithredno18:31
fsmithredand there are a few versions floating around18:31
fsmithredand I had to do something with python to get it to work in chimaera18:31
fsmithredbrocashelm, does it work for you?18:32
brocashelmyeah, i'm using the current build from the original repo18:33
brocashelmit's a lot snappier than the version my install shipped with18:34
fsmithredwhich original repo?18:34
brocashelmpixelb18:34
brocashelmhttps://github.com/pixelb/ps_mem18:34
fsmithredI don't know what came from where, but I have one that's 458 lines and another that's 667.18:35
brocashelmi took note there were forks; didn't use those18:35
fsmithredand I think I just changed the she-bang in chimaera so it says "python3"18:35
brocashelmyeah, i noticed this build adds 100 more lines18:35
brocashelmfunny you mention that: i'm using ceres, but now it went from "chimaera/ceres" to "chimaera" when doing neofetch18:35
fsmithredoh, maybe base-files update changed that18:36
BeerFrom https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php I would tell 3 things: The growth of Libera Chat is quite nice; Freenode is "resisting" but gets18:37
brocashelmthis build is very snappy18:37
brocashelmthe previous one from refracta install took a few seconds to calculate18:37
Beer From https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php I would tell 3 things: The growth of Libera Chat is quite nice; Freenode is "resisting" but got cut by 0% of users; Freenode's number of servers boomed?18:38
junicchiafter learning freenode drama destroyed my account immediately18:47
junicchiits seems like all channels i participated in are already migrated to libera18:48
junicchibtw does ##devuan on freenode still exist?18:48
sammi`fun fact about earth18:49
onefangFun facts about Earth should go to #devuan-offtopic.18:52
joergjunicchi: doesn't matter if it exists or not, it's unrelated to Devuan anyway18:55
junicchiit is18:56
junicchimeta discussions are still related to devuan18:57

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