| Xenguy | Can anyone recommend a good site to upload images to, temporarily, and then link to them in a pastebin? | 00:59 |
|---|---|---|
| Xenguy | The FOSSer the better | 00:59 |
| Xenguy | Basically to share a screenshot <-- use case | 01:00 |
| fluffywolf | they all seem to go away. | 01:02 |
| fluffywolf | imgur still exists, but now has ads and is really crap. | 01:02 |
| fluffywolf | a devuan imagebin might be a good idea... | 01:02 |
| carlos | Xenguy i use telegram | 01:05 |
| carlos | for example: https://t.me/IRCcaptures/95 | 01:08 |
| carlos | you might be able to see the capture | 01:09 |
| carlos | its my channel in telegram to share pics and videos here in irc | 01:11 |
| fluffywolf | that was very slow to load, can't seem to be embiggened, and clicking it just loads the same page again, in a new tab. | 01:12 |
| carlos | 😞 | 01:14 |
| Xenguy | fluffywolf, carlos, Thank you both, and both options not really options for me... | 01:15 |
| Xenguy | You're right that they seem to come and go... | 01:15 |
| Xenguy | imgur is too *something* for me... | 01:15 |
| Xenguy | And telegram, I believe, is proprietary and therefore unacceptable | 01:16 |
| Xenguy | I'll find the site du jour I'm sure | 01:17 |
| brocashelm | still wondering | 01:22 |
| smpl | Xenguy; https://0x0.st/ | 01:22 |
| brocashelm | which packages are needed for apt-listchanges to temporarily clear the previous terminal entries and prompt you to scroll until you hit q? i was cleaning up a bunch of packages i didn't need and wasn't sure if a package that made it work normally was removed by accident | 01:22 |
| Xenguy | smpl, Thank you | 01:26 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: i'm not sure but it might be less, or it might just be that you need to change an environment variable | 01:26 |
| gnarface | brocashelm: yea the man page suggests it would obey the $BROWSER or $PAGER environment variables depending on how it was invoked | 01:32 |
| gnarface | i suspect the package "sensible-utils" might be key in providing some of the options | 01:33 |
| onefang | apt-listchanges does use the $PAGER you set. That's how I use it. | 01:34 |
| brocashelm | ah, ok | 01:34 |
| brocashelm | i never messed with the config | 01:34 |
| gnarface | i just know that it's common for many apps to default to using less if it is present, and fall back to more | 01:34 |
| onefang | Or maybe it doesn't. lol | 01:35 |
| gnarface | for example, for the man pages themselves, having less installed provides the additional capabilities of font highlighting, case-insensitive string search, and most importantly - reverse-scrolling | 01:36 |
| onefang | I know I get it to use MC. | 01:36 |
| gnarface | according to the man page, apt-listchanges should obey $PAGER if you set "-f pager" and have sensible-pager installed (which i am guessing is in the sensible-utils package) | 01:36 |
| onefang | Or /etc/apt/listchanges.conf frontend=pager | 01:37 |
| gnarface | oh | 01:38 |
| brocashelm | yeah, i never removed sensible-utils and that still happened | 01:38 |
| gnarface | what did it look like? this thing can even use a web browser it seems.... maybe you thinking of the gtk one... "-f gtk" relies on python3-gi it says. you did say you suspected it was a python package that you'd removed right? | 01:39 |
| brocashelm | yeah, i was purging a ton of packages to keep my install as light as possible | 01:40 |
| brocashelm | when i moved to ceres, i installed apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs, and both would show a cleared screen with just info on package changes/bug reports and prompt me to type q to proceed | 01:40 |
| brocashelm | this was all terminal-based | 01:41 |
| gnarface | might have been the xterm-pager option then | 01:42 |
| gnarface | not sure | 01:42 |
| Xenguy | It should just work | 01:43 |
| brocashelm | i do see a list of changes, but it's in the same terminal output and doesn't prompt me to press the key | 01:44 |
| brocashelm | so it might've been less and maybe some other package like that i removed | 01:45 |
| Xenguy | Some innovation you did might be biting you now : -) | 01:45 |
| gnarface | did you remove ncurses? | 01:45 |
| Xenguy | Check if less is installed | 01:46 |
| brocashelm | i installed less again and it skipped apt-listchanges altogether this time | 01:49 |
| Xenguy | phew | 01:50 |
| brocashelm | it could have been ncurses5 | 01:50 |
| Xenguy | You've removed some package you need it seems | 01:50 |
| brocashelm | just tested this on a separate machine by just removing less and i got the same issue i've been having (no separate screen in terminal with prompt) while upgrading | 01:52 |
| Xenguy | Don't know how to help you fix the broken | 01:53 |
| brocashelm | so it was less after all. thanks, gnarface | 01:57 |
| Xenguy | Less is more | 01:57 |
| brocashelm | yup | 01:57 |
| onefang | More is less. | 01:57 |
| Xenguy | Not at all | 01:57 |
| Xenguy | = ) | 01:58 |
| Xenguy | More or less | 01:59 |
| Xenguy | Hah, you're right, more is less, I must have been feeling contrary | 02:04 |
| Xenguy | Still, more will do just fine in a pinch | 02:04 |
| onefang | Maybe if you fix things up you'll have more less. | 02:05 |
| Xenguy | I came across another similar type of utility called 'most', but didn't bother with it much | 02:05 |
| onefang | Oh wait that was brocashelm. I need more sleep. | 02:06 |
| Xenguy | onefang, Not bad though, that's kind of like having more slack :-) | 02:06 |
| brocashelm | lol | 02:12 |
| DashiePie | would intel's optane feature interfere with Devuan's installer? say, make it unable to detect the internal disk drives? | 02:48 |
| Xenguy | Hrm, more context? What's your situation? | 02:51 |
| Xenguy | Yeah, suppose you just said | 02:52 |
| Xenguy | Super specific question | 02:53 |
| DashiePie | yeah | 02:53 |
| DashiePie | I've done everything else, but the installer just doesn't detect anything but the stick it's already on | 02:53 |
| Xenguy | huh, is it a bug to be filed? | 02:54 |
| DashiePie | I haven't disabled optane yet, so if that's the problem, probably not, but if that's not the problem, I wouldn't know what is | 02:56 |
| Xenguy | So troubleshoot what you can, and then come share your sorrows here : -) | 02:57 |
| DashiePie | just wanted to use it to play WoW from 2005 | 03:01 |
| DashiePie | instead, I get hell in the form of an OS | 03:01 |
| Xenguy | oh well | 03:02 |
| rrq | DashiePie: maybe check bios for the hd api ? | 03:04 |
| DashiePie | the actual 1 TB drive is set to ahci or something similar, and the optane volume is nvme, and is classed as a cache | 03:05 |
| DashiePie | non-raid | 03:06 |
| rrq | any variant setting for the nvme that might work? | 03:08 |
| DashiePie | I can disable the optane feature | 03:23 |
| DashiePie | that's probably about all I can do | 03:23 |
| DashiePie | I haven't tried it yet, but if that's the problem, disabling it should work, I just don't know if that's the problem, hence why I asked here | 03:24 |
| DashiePie | >optane not supported on Linux | 03:33 |
| DashiePie | possibly the problem | 03:33 |
| DashiePie | not that I care it's not supported, but yeah | 03:34 |
| buZz | just in anticipation | 04:23 |
| DashiePie | it seems like intel's optane feature changed the status of one of the "physical disks" from cache to non-raid | 04:27 |
| DashiePie | just information for all of you, in case this ever comes up again | 04:27 |
| DashiePie | and it still doesn't detect the drive, only the stick | 04:31 |
| DashiePie | I can't understand | 04:31 |
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| Katje | Question came up in another channel. What is the largest production install of devuan ? | 14:58 |
| ShorTie | largest production ?? | 15:00 |
| Katje | as in largest number of devuan instances running in production | 15:00 |
| ShorTie | depends how much apt you use i'd guess | 15:00 |
| buZz | Katje: not sure such data would be public :) | 15:34 |
| Katje | heh | 15:35 |
| Katje | I have 7 physical machines plus lots of VM's, a snarky systemd loving "friend" said "Wow, that must be one of the largest devuan installs out there" and now I want to slap him with proof that people do use devuan | 15:36 |
| Joril | Well at my workplace I've built a two-node Devuan-based cluster, and on top of it I have 4 Devuan VMs and some Ubuntu VMs (to be converted to Devuan in the hopefully-near future) | 15:49 |
| GyrosGeier | I run Devuan on the VM hosts | 16:26 |
| GyrosGeier | both of them :P | 16:26 |
| GyrosGeier | it's not a contest though | 16:26 |
| Beer | Katje: golinux shared on DNG a link to distrowatch showing a lot of users giving a high score to Devuan. No idea what level of trust to put on that kind of data, but it seems to show a lot of people like (hence use?) that system. From a variety of users will come a variety of use cases | 17:05 |
| Katje | cool | 17:06 |
| golinux | Katje: Here's the link https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ranking | 18:04 |
| golinux | Katje: You can read the reviews here https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ratings&distro=devuan | 18:06 |
| golinux | Many are in-depth. Reviews for other distros seem to be rather superficial. | 18:07 |
| Beer | How does one clear a package in an "unknown" state as shown by dpkg? | 18:18 |
| GyrosGeier | sec | 18:18 |
| GyrosGeier | aj | 18:19 |
| GyrosGeier | aj | 18:19 |
| GyrosGeier | sorry | 18:19 |
| GyrosGeier | the "unknown" is the package selection state | 18:19 |
| GyrosGeier | that is only relevant for dselect | 18:19 |
| GyrosGeier | which hasn't been used for fifteen years or so | 18:20 |
| GyrosGeier | normally you'd only see these in "config-files unknown ok" state | 18:21 |
| GyrosGeier | which means config files remain | 18:21 |
| GyrosGeier | you can remove those with dpkg --purge | 18:21 |
| Beer | Hmm. OK thx | 18:23 |
| GyrosGeier | but the key is: this line has three fields: the current state, the desired state according to dselect, and whether action is required | 18:39 |
| rwp | Beer, Where are you seeing "unknown" from? I can't recall ever having run into that state before. | 20:02 |
| rwp | I wormed around "grep '^Status:.*unknown' /var/lib/dpkg/status" on my systems and didn't get a match upon any of mine. | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | rwp, 'dpkg -l' | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | I've seen it when a package didn't install correctly. Look for 'U' in the first field. | 20:18 |
| rwp | fsmithred, I guess I am confusing it in my mind with Unpacked. But okay. Package install started, preinst or postinst fails. conffiles unpacked so state is Uc and Status: unknown error installed presumably maybe. | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | you were able to elicit that status? | 21:24 |
| rwp | fsmithred, I didn't set up a test case. It would be interesting to do so. But no free time for it at the moment. | 21:35 |
| rwp | That's why I put a "maybe" at the end of my comment. Because I was making a presumption at that point. | 21:35 |
| hendrikboom3 | I'm having trouble getting tinydns to work. | 22:26 |
| hendrikboom3 | The log just reports @4000000060b93adc2b4c6b54 tinydns: fatal: unable to bind UDP socket: address not available | 22:26 |
| hendrikboom3 | But as ar as I can see, port 53 has no listeners, udp or tcp. | 22:26 |
| Beer | Anyone ever tried to use armoured GPG keys in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ with a .asc extension? | 22:31 |
| sadsnork | hendrikboom3, are you checking for listeners with netstat? And is it possible tinydns doesn't have enough priv to listen on 53? | 22:31 |
| Beer | man apt-key talks about the .asc extension, which is normally used for armoured GPG keys... however, having done that, the key I try does not seem to be recognised | 22:32 |
| Beer | the unarmoured key works perfectly, though | 22:32 |
| Beer | (with a .gpg extension) | 22:32 |
| sadsnork | Beer, which repo are you using? | 22:33 |
| hendrikboom3 | sadsnork, like this? | 22:34 |
| hendrikboom3 | netstat --tcp --udp --listening --program | grep 53 | 22:34 |
| sadsnork | I just checked mine with... netstat -plun | grep ":53" | 22:34 |
| sadsnork | Unbound showed right away. I suspect yours should work pretty much the same | 22:35 |
| sadsnork | Well, not that unbound would show up later. :-) | 22:35 |
| hendrikboom3 | That command you gave me just shows avahi-daemon on 5353. | 22:36 |
| sadsnork | With nothing currently listening on 53 I would suspect permissions to open the port. | 22:37 |
| hendrikboom3 | Ah! An idea. There's a file /etc/tinydns/env/IP It contains an IP number. | 22:38 |
| hendrikboom3 | What IP number is supposed to be there? | 22:38 |
| hendrikboom3 | The IP number of the interface to look for port 53 on? | 22:38 |
| sadsnork | ohhh, I have never setup tinydns - but it sounds like that might tell it what IP or interface to bind to 53 | 22:39 |
| hendrikboom3 | Or the public IP number that the world should be using to find the authoritative domain name server. | 22:39 |
| hendrikboom3 | I be you're right. What's changed is that (my server died). I moved the disks into another machine. | 22:40 |
| hendrikboom3 | And put that machine behind a VDSL router in coffee-house mode instead of in brifdge mode. | 22:41 |
| hendrikboom3 | So the local IP number has changed. | 22:41 |
| hendrikboom3 | It used to be the public one. | 22:41 |
| Beer | sadsnork: Mmmh Seems it might be a false alarm. It seems a cache Docker layer was misleading | 22:41 |
| hendrikboom3 | let me make the changeand try again. | 22:42 |
| sadsnork | A quick ddg gives me the impression that it should be the IP that it will open 53 on. | 22:43 |
| * sadsnork cringes at docker | 22:44 | |
| sadsnork | But does that mean it is working now Beer? | 22:44 |
| hendrikboom3 | It's not complaining about the socket any more. | 22:45 |
| Beer | sadsnork: Yes it is! It would have been *very* surprising such a feature was broken *and* the corresponding man would be broken... | 22:46 |
| * sadsnork cheers! | 22:46 | |
| Beer | man would be wrong* | 22:46 |
| Beer | Thx anyway (: | 22:46 |
| hendrikboom3 | It works! dig @8.8.8.8 topoi.pooq.com gives me the right IP number now. | 22:47 |
| hendrikboom3 | What's ddg, by the way? | 22:47 |
| mason | duckduckgo | 22:47 |
| UsL | ddg.gg | 22:47 |
| UsL | what is the public ip you guys talking about? | 22:47 |
| UsL | google's? | 22:48 |
| hendrikboom3 | 69.165.131.134 | 22:48 |
| UsL | .. never seen that ip or heard of it and been using windows since 1996 and *nix since 2004.... | 22:51 |
| UsL | how is that possible. | 22:51 |
| sadsnork | hendrikboom3, shouldn't that be "dig @127.0.0.1 topoi.pooq.com"? | 22:52 |
| UsL | guess I never saw the ips of the root servers before. 1.1.1.1 is easier to remember though. | 22:59 |
| sadsnork | Just to nitpick ('cause I am a pain in the ass)... neither 8.8.8.8 [Google] or 1.1.1.1 [Cloudflare] are root actually servers. The list of roots can be found at https://www.internic.net/domain/named.root | 23:03 |
| UsL | yep | 23:04 |
| sadsnork | And client devices should of course not query them directly. :-) | 23:04 |
| UsL | I don't think they even respond to us peasants | 23:05 |
| hendrikboom3 | sadsnork, No. @8.8.8.8. I wanted to make sure a DNS resolver *outside* my LAN could find topoi.pooq.com. | 23:27 |
| hendrikboom3 | You can try http://topoi.pooq.com if you like and see if it finds a web site. | 23:28 |
| hendrikboom3 | Note no 's' on http. | 23:28 |
| sadsnork | Ah! So you're using tinydns as your authoritative. I'm a little slow but catching up eh. | 23:30 |
| sadsnork | Booyeah! The web site works for me hendrikboom3! | 23:30 |
| hendrikboom3 | That internic page is for the very top-level servers The ones you go to for looking up .com, .org, and the like. | 23:30 |
| hendrikboom3 | They give you other servers for looking up, say, pooq.com. | 23:30 |
| hendrikboom3 | Going to the DNS for pooq.com is where you go to look up topoi.pooq.com. | 23:31 |
| hendrikboom3 | My machine contains the authoritative DNS server for subdomains of pooq.com. | 23:31 |
| hendrikboom3 | And yes, thanks for testing my web site for me -- from outside. | 23:32 |
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