| rwp | If chomwitt was still here I would say that runit has a compatibility layer to run sysvinit init.d scripts. | 03:49 |
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| rwp | That's why it's not required that native runit scripts be present. It will use the init.d script. | 03:49 |
| chomwitt | hello. | 12:09 |
| fsmithred | did you manage to get devuan installed? | 12:10 |
| chomwitt | i am doing an upgrade from Beowulf to Chimaera | 12:10 |
| fsmithred | ah, ok. | 12:10 |
| fsmithred | did you install full desktop or just a minimal system? | 12:10 |
| chomwitt | i changed apt.sources and gave : apt update && apt upgrade | 12:11 |
| chomwitt | initially in Beowulf a minimal | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | that makes it easier | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | you might also do 'apt full-upgrade' | 12:11 |
| chomwitt | i follow https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting i dont know if there is a relevant devuan page. | 12:13 |
| schillingklaus | isn't chimaera still unstable? | 12:13 |
| fsmithred | chimaera=bullseye=Testing | 12:14 |
| chomwitt | schillingklaus, i asked that and its testing | 12:14 |
| fsmithred | chomwitt, there are some upgrade guides here: https://www.devuan.org/os/install but there are specifics for eash release that don't apply to others. And there's no guide for beowulf to chimaera yet. | 12:15 |
| fsmithred | but so far, most upgrades I've done or heard about were pretty easy. | 12:16 |
| fsmithred | ceres=sid=unstable | 12:18 |
| chomwitt | why would shutdown wont work after upgrading ? | 12:24 |
| chomwitt | a! it worked without options | 12:25 |
| fsmithred | with runit, the shutdown commands get changed | 12:26 |
| chomwitt | for a sec i think i saw a warning message regarding runit | 12:26 |
| chomwitt | a! ok | 12:26 |
| gour | hello, just migrated from debian/sid to devuan/ceres/runit and wonder which image you recommend to have on usb stick for the resuce-mode when needed? | 13:31 |
| fsmithred | gour, maybe chimaera alpha netinstall iso. I usually just use a live-usb for rescue/repair. | 13:33 |
| gour | ok, thanks | 13:33 |
| fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/ | 13:34 |
| gour | i switched from wicd to networkmanager and wonder what is required that nm-applet does understand that my ethernet connection is working? | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | right-click on the tray icon and check the box for 'enable networking' | 20:08 |
| gour | fsmithred: it's enabled and connection is up, but the applet shows 'not connected'...i assunme some residues from wicd? | 20:08 |
| fsmithred | did you restart networking or reboot after replacing wicd? | 20:09 |
| brocashelm | did you reboot your machine? sudo service network-manager restart | 20:09 |
| gour | i haven't reboot, but did restart the service | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | stopped wicd and started n-m? | 20:10 |
| gour | i see some residual config from wicd, let me try to clean that 1st | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | brocashelm, are you using a network gui? Which one? | 20:11 |
| brocashelm | i think some symlink gets broken when switching different graphical network connectors | 20:11 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: i'm using networkmanager | 20:11 |
| brocashelm | works fine for me most of the time | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | I replaced n-m with connman yesterday in my chimaera-runit, and it did not start from the init script. | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | not automatically. Started fine if I ran the script manually. | 20:12 |
| brocashelm | i tried replacing it with connman and noticed the broken symlink in /etc/network (i think) | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | starts automatically now after using antix runit scripts for connman | 20:12 |
| brocashelm | since wicd is broken in chimaera and up, it's either nm or connman if you want graphical | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I was using n-m, then I got mad at it when trying to deal with two different wireless networks in the house | 20:14 |
| brocashelm | connman's vpn config settings is kinda wonky to me, whereas i can just upload config files with nm and it works 99% of the time (as long as i don't mess with nm too much beyond setting up additional connections) | 20:14 |
| brocashelm | oh, wifi is a pain with nm | 20:14 |
| gour | should i possibler comment the 2 lines in /etc/network/interfaces: | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | NO | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | not for lo | 20:14 |
| gour | allow-hotplug eth0 | 20:15 |
| gour | iface eth0 inet dhcp | 20:15 |
| fsmithred | YES | 20:15 |
| gour | thanks! | 20:15 |
| brocashelm | gour: this is what my file looks like: | 20:15 |
| fsmithred | get rid of the eth0 stanza | 20:15 |
| brocashelm | auto lo | 20:15 |
| brocashelm | iface lo inet loopback | 20:15 |
| brocashelm | i have not had any problems under runit | 20:15 |
| gour | devuan is such a lovely distro - bringing maturity of debian+xfce-systemd...i'm so happy to finally fully migrate to it, hoping to settle on it, use it for a long time and be able to help somehow | 20:24 |
| brocashelm | gour: same here, back and forth between 2018 and early 2020 until i came across refracta | 20:25 |
| brocashelm | gour: i am using ceres (unstable) myself and it's very stable and never crashes | 20:26 |
| gour | brocashelm: yeah, i usually also had nice experience with sid, so ceres was obvious option | 20:27 |
| * gour never heard about refracta | 20:27 | |
| brocashelm | gour: i find once you get the right settings for your install, just create an iso of it with refractatools and install that version of your devuan on other machines. saves you time and energy getting all configs 1:1 | 20:28 |
| brocashelm | gour: it's a great devuan-based distro, maintained by fsmithred - https://refracta.org | 20:29 |
| gour | yeah, saw it, have to research a bit...still restoring from debian backup | 20:31 |
| brocashelm | no worries, take your time | 20:33 |
| gour | am i right that the number of people here is expanding? | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | been that way for five years | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | they come in waves | 20:40 |
| gour | that's also good - stability :-D | 20:41 |
| brocashelm | due to the server migration | 20:52 |
| brocashelm | so it should be expected | 20:52 |
| rwp | There are also a lot of people just lurking for much of the day too. | 20:52 |
| rwp | Also please join us in #devuan-offtopic too for random conversation. It's nice and friendly there too! :-) | 20:53 |
| gour | rwp: wil visit, just to put my machine(s) in order - now putting devuan on my old netbook (spare) machine as well | 21:04 |
| jason1235 | hi | 21:15 |
| jason1235 | on pandora, does devuan work? | 21:15 |
| jason1235 | where can I find this one for devuan no sysD: "http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.114_all.deb" ??? | 21:16 |
| jason1235 | I need debootstram for armhf | 21:16 |
| gnarface | the devuan version of debootstrap should work for everything | 21:18 |
| gnarface | if you're having trouble with the the debian version of debootstrap, then it probably still hasn't been patched for devuan | 21:19 |
| gnarface | you should be able to just run the devuan one on debian | 21:19 |
| gnarface | or you can rebuild it, i think it is a 1-line patch | 21:19 |
| gnarface | i think i heard it was commented-out in their source even | 21:20 |
| jason1235 | how do you get the script ascii? | 21:20 |
| jason1235 | do you have the script ascii to /usr/share/debootstrap? | 21:20 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=debootstrap | 21:20 |
| gnarface | download links here | 21:20 |
| jason1235 | this is my magic ... PKG='wpasupplicant,netbase,ssh,gcc,less,debootstrap,login,passwd' ; pwd ; debootstrap --no-check-gpg --include=$PKG ascii . http://deb.devuan.org/merged | 21:21 |
| gnarface | and it doesn't work? | 21:22 |
| jason1235 | "E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/ascii " | 21:22 |
| jason1235 | nOoooooooooooooooooo! debian does not allow it | 21:22 |
| gnarface | i see | 21:22 |
| jason1235 | what to do? | 21:22 |
| gnarface | just copy it from the devuan one | 21:22 |
| gnarface | or install the devuan one entirely | 21:23 |
| jason1235 | I want devuan on openpandora. this is pain to use debiabn | 21:23 |
| gnarface | it should be possible; the kernels are the same | 21:23 |
| jason1235 | do you have a link to get ascii? | 21:23 |
| gnarface | i just linked it to you, you'll have to extract that package | 21:23 |
| jason1235 | does armhf ascii work? | 21:26 |
| jason1235 | do we have armhf devuan? | 21:26 |
| gnarface | yes | 21:27 |
| jason1235 | ok, let's try that | 21:27 |
| jason1235 | we are the first with devuan on pandora | 21:27 |
| jason1235 | I tried bsd but this is pain, no one knows BSD on arms ;) | 21:27 |
| gnarface | we have a #devuan-arm channel, just fyi | 21:28 |
| jason1235 | I am so much peaced of systemd on archlinux | 21:28 |
| gnarface | it's less traffic than here but the people there are focused primarily on arm devices | 21:28 |
| jason1235 | oh now, #devuan is comfort | 21:28 |
| jason1235 | we are happy to talk guys. to bring a bit life here | 21:28 |
| jason1235 | gnarface: your devuan is underated. | 21:30 |
| jason1235 | people run for systemd, this is such a pain | 21:30 |
| gnarface | we know. we also have #devuan-offtopic if you feel like ranting about it. but this channel is reserved for support issues. | 21:30 |
| jason1235 | even on BSD; please complain and want systemd., ask for systemd. what a sadness for programmers, of unix philso. | 21:30 |
| jason1235 | ok... i get to pandora and devuan topic | 21:30 |
| jason1235 | I will make a devuan rootfs for people | 21:31 |
| jason1235 | for pandora. | 21:31 |
| jason1235 | for charity | 21:32 |
| furrymcgee | just tell them how to use debootstrap | 21:35 |
| jason1235 | easy: ... PKG='wpasupplicant,netbase,ssh,gcc,less,debootstrap,login,passwd' ; pwd ; debootstrap --no-check-gpg --include=$PKG ascii . http://deb.devuan.org/merged | 21:35 |
| jason1235 | /usr/sbin/debootstrap: 53: /usr/sbin/debootstrap: detect_container: not found | 21:40 |
| jason1235 | umask 022 maybe | 21:43 |
| jason1235 | dpkg --print-architecture good. givers armhf. | 21:44 |
| jason1235 | what could be "detect_container: not found"? | 21:45 |
| jason1235 | root@pandian:/DEVUAN# dpkg -i debootstrap_1.0.114_all.deb --reinstall | 21:48 |
| jason1235 | debootstrap ascii . http://deb.devuan.org/merged workin! | 21:49 |
| chomwitt | i like to put apache under runit in Chimaera. I am thinking https://salsa.debian.org/runit-team/runscript-collection/-/tree/master/apache2 | 22:16 |
| rwp | chomwitt, AFAICT runit uses the existing init.d scripts if there is not an overriding runit config for it. But of course native runit configuration is fine too. | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | chomwitt, I just tried it, and it seems to be working | 22:27 |
| rwp | fsmithred, A runit installed system and just normal shutdown and reboot commands all work okay? I assume they would. (I rewrote my one runit system. I need to build another.) | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | "shutdown" and "reboot" work, but they are symlinks to /lib/runit/shutdown | 22:29 |
| chomwitt | fsmithred, you mean the Lorenzo runit scripts? | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | Yeah, I guess those are his. It's whatever comes when you install runit-init | 22:30 |
| rwp | Seems reasonable. Nice to keep compatibility. The native runit seems to be "init 0" and "init 6" for Halt and Reboot. | 22:30 |
| fsmithred | gettys and ssh are under runit. Everything else uses the init scripts. | 22:30 |
| fsmithred | I've moved a bunch over to runit scripts, using Lorenzo's scripts, and today I added a connman script from the antix collection. | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | chomwitt, did you get apache working with runit? | 22:33 |
| chomwitt | fsmithred, do i just download the apache runit files and cp them to /etc/sv ? | 22:33 |
| fsmithred | yes, and then run 'update-service --add /etc/sv/apache2' | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | oh | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | stop apache first! | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | then add it, and it will start again automatically | 22:34 |
| chomwitt | i'll try that now | 22:34 |
| jason1235 | done, openpandora with devuan. ready to use. | 22:38 |
| plasma41 | chomwitt: Does your sources.list contain entries mentioning "testing" or "chimaera"? Make sure to use "chimaera" and not "testing" or you're going to have a bad time when Bullseye releases and Chimaera hasn't yet. | 22:46 |
| chomwitt | plasma41, checked. it says chimaera | 22:55 |
| plasma41 | chomwitt: good | 22:56 |
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