libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2021-06-16

search_socialHello I see that with dmesg -n I can turn off logging to the console. I'm wondering if there is a way I can leave logging on to tty1 but turn it off for other consoles. I would also like to avoid clearing the bootup messages from tty1 when bootup is complete01:09
rwpsearch_social, See this reference: http://tuxthink.blogspot.com/2012/07/printk-and-console-log-level.html01:55
rwpsearch_social, And also the source: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/linux/kern_levels.h01:55
search_socialthanks rwp01:58
onefangsearch_social: Or just disable tty1 from being a login console.  That's what I do.07:10
* enyc hehe at 10:57 < palasso> enyc: there is a rumor that freenode servers are running systemd11:58
SoltisIs there a reasonably easy way to pick up postgresql-13 on beowulf?12:59
fsmithredI think you would have to backport it13:00
SoltisThat does not strike me as 'easy'13:00
fsmithredor upgrade to chimaera, which is still in testing13:01
onefangBeowulf doesn't have a backported postgresql.13:02
SoltisSo either move to an unstable release, diy, or find another distro. Not exactly the nicest set of choices to deal with.13:04
fsmithredI'm trying a backport now13:04
fsmithredsomethimes they are easy13:04
Soltis... yeah, but I'm out of practice enough with that sorta shit that I wouldn't be completely confident in my ability not to somehow fuck it up.13:05
SoltisThough if it turns out to be easy, then I might take a stab at it.13:05
fsmithredok, that was easy13:07
fsmithredapt-get source postgresql-common13:08
fsmithredthen as root, apt-get build-dep postgresql-common13:08
fsmithredcd to the postgres dir13:09
fsmithreddpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b13:09
fsmithredI only had to add one build-dep, but that's because I already have a lot of build stuff installed13:09
SoltisWhat's the source URI? I don't think it was included in the example for sidegrading from debian which is how this box came to exist13:10
fsmithredyou want to get it from git?13:11
SoltisNo, no. Error: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list13:11
fsmithredoh13:11
fsmithredright13:11
fsmithredhang on13:11
fsmithreddeb-src http://sledjhamr.org/devuan/merged ceres main13:11
fsmithredor deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main13:12
fsmithredthen apt-update13:12
SoltisYep. And install missing utils along the way13:13
Soltis... that was terrifyingly simple.13:15
onefangBOO!13:15
fsmithreddone already?13:15
fsmithredand yeah, that's a good description. I was expecting at least a few problems.13:15
SoltisWell the build is.13:15
Soltis... installing is proving a bit weirder13:15
fsmithredright. I didn't try to install.13:15
SoltisYeah, okay, so how do I get these debs to realize they're pg-13 debs?13:16
fsmithredfwiw, chimaera is pretty stable in the generic sense13:16
fsmithredsome of mine have that version number13:17
fsmithredbut some are just 225*13:17
fsmithredI made a changelog entry to bump the version, hence the *13:18
fsmithredadded ~fsr113:18
fsmithredtime for foot. back in a few mins.13:19
onefangThink he meant food.13:22
SoltisOkay. Short version is that like postgresql-client_13+225_all.deb if I try to install it, it identifies the package as postgresql-client and then throws the error "Package postgresql-client-13 is not installed."13:23
Soltisonefang: Probably, but I like what he typed better.13:23
onefangFoot in mouth?13:23
Soltis... also pretend I'm short about 50 IQ points right now due to extreme fatigue13:24
SoltisWhich is also food in mouth if one bites down hard enough.13:24
onefangMaybe get some rest before screwing with your system?13:24
SoltisIt's not in use anywhere yet, but right now is when nobody is gonna hassle me.13:25
SoltisIt's literally just an empty system I launched a couple hours ago, so consequences are pretty minimal if I trash it. Plus I've got an image in case I FUBAR it.13:26
fsmithredyes, I meant food13:35
onefangWelcome back.13:36
SoltisSo I'd not mind understanding why that error is happening; I assume something about how the package is created isn't marking it correctly?13:38
Soltis... or something to that effect. Honestly, I'm not very familiar with building packages with a dependency system hooked to them. Most of my experience was Slackware.13:38
fsmithredok, I just tried to install the pkgs. Some deps are missing.13:40
fsmithredno '~' allowed in pakcage name???13:42
Soltis*Confused idiot noises*13:43
fsmithred'apt install -f' cleared up the errors13:45
fsmithreddespite the fact that the missing packages did not get installed13:48
fsmithredSoltis, is this your machine or someone else's (e.g. work)?13:55
Soltisfsmithred: Work, more or less.13:57
fsmithredso running an OS that hasn't actually been released yet is probably out of the question13:57
Soltisfsmithred: Not entirely - I have pretty much absolute discretion about that sort of thing.13:58
fsmithredif you only had to answer to yourself, I'd suggest going with chimaera13:58
fsmithredit's based on debian bullseye which has moved into freeze - soon to be declared stable13:58
fsmithredwe follow behind their schedule.13:58
Soltisfsmithred: Okay. Yeah, I don't really want to dick with backporting if it's gonna end up with the packages in an odd state, but chimaera isn't necessarily out of the question.13:59
fsmithredtry it in a test system13:59
fsmithredI haven't heard complaints from the people who are running it or running ceres14:00
SoltisThis is going to be a single-purpose box for a _new_ application, so the code that will utilize it hasn't actually even been written yet.14:00
fsmithred"more stable than ubuntu" is a common description14:00
fsmithredfwiw14:00
SoltisThat's good enough, if it's an accurate assessment. We used Ubuntu before I got our other system - the production system - migrated to Devuan.14:01
fsmithredthere are chimaera installer isos available now14:01
Soltisfsmithred: I'd need to either upgrade this box or side-grade from Debian since I do _NOT_ want to bother with making a bootable AWS image from scratch.14:01
fsmithredI'm running chimaera on a laptop. Don't do a whole lot with it other than occasional web browse and regular weekly video conference14:01
fsmithredoh, upgrade from beowulf is not bad14:02
fsmithredespecially on a minimal system14:02
SoltisYeah, I figured. It's extremely minimal ... I'm assuming just muck with sources.list and then dist-upgrade?14:04
brocashelmceres is running 10/10 for me. especially once you config shit accordingly14:08
fsmithredYes, edit sources (no -updates or -security yet), update and dist-upgrade. There are upgrade and migration guides here. They have specifics that probably don't apply, but maybe some clues if you have trouble. https://www.devuan.org/os/install14:11
SoltisIt's going now; -updates seemed to exist, but -security and -backports didn't. Updated and dist-upgrade14:13
SoltisWe'll see how it goes14:13
SoltisInteresting. Rebooted; release is 4 per lsb_release -a, but codename is N/A14:15
Soltis... now I just get to remember how to administer a pg instance, since installing it worked14:17
brocashelmthe nice thing about ceres IMO is you get to experiment with different repositories and can really make a beefy system if you do it right. it's only "broken" if you try this on stable, but unstable itself is VERY stable in my experience. i can't settle for old packages but i prefer the package manager by far to other distros14:18
brocashelmxfce 4.16 runs amazingly well and have not had any crashes due to its design14:19
brocashelmonly thing i'd probably watch out for is if you want elogind to manager user sessions, since the dist-update pulls such packages in14:20
brocashelm*manage14:20
SoltisAh, this is a single purpose box, so the only thing I care about is having postgresql-13 running stably and without too much in the way of security implications.14:22
fsmithredlook at /etc/os-release to see codename14:28
SoltisInteresting, it's missing the VERSION_CODENAME line14:32
SoltisIs there a reason for that?14:33
fsmithrednot sure14:33
SoltisEh. I just added it for S&G14:33
fsmithredcodename is in the VERSION line14:34
SoltisIt's there, too, yes.14:35
fsmithredSoltis, here's the changelog entry from debian:14:39
fsmithred  - Add VERSION_CODENAME to os-release.14:39
fsmithred    (only expected on stable releases)14:39
SoltisAh, good to know.14:39
SoltisAnyway, so Pg is running, so I'm happy14:39
fsmithredcool14:39
Soltis... be happier once I have the damned thing configured and secured properly.14:40
SoltisSuch a pain in the ass14:40
search_socialonefang: good idea16:19
fsmithredbrocashelm, does udevil handle exfat?16:53
fsmithredafk18:32

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