search_social | Hello I see that with dmesg -n I can turn off logging to the console. I'm wondering if there is a way I can leave logging on to tty1 but turn it off for other consoles. I would also like to avoid clearing the bootup messages from tty1 when bootup is complete | 01:09 |
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rwp | search_social, See this reference: http://tuxthink.blogspot.com/2012/07/printk-and-console-log-level.html | 01:55 |
rwp | search_social, And also the source: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/linux/kern_levels.h | 01:55 |
search_social | thanks rwp | 01:58 |
onefang | search_social: Or just disable tty1 from being a login console. That's what I do. | 07:10 |
* enyc hehe at 10:57 < palasso> enyc: there is a rumor that freenode servers are running systemd | 11:58 | |
Soltis | Is there a reasonably easy way to pick up postgresql-13 on beowulf? | 12:59 |
fsmithred | I think you would have to backport it | 13:00 |
Soltis | That does not strike me as 'easy' | 13:00 |
fsmithred | or upgrade to chimaera, which is still in testing | 13:01 |
onefang | Beowulf doesn't have a backported postgresql. | 13:02 |
Soltis | So either move to an unstable release, diy, or find another distro. Not exactly the nicest set of choices to deal with. | 13:04 |
fsmithred | I'm trying a backport now | 13:04 |
fsmithred | somethimes they are easy | 13:04 |
Soltis | ... yeah, but I'm out of practice enough with that sorta shit that I wouldn't be completely confident in my ability not to somehow fuck it up. | 13:05 |
Soltis | Though if it turns out to be easy, then I might take a stab at it. | 13:05 |
fsmithred | ok, that was easy | 13:07 |
fsmithred | apt-get source postgresql-common | 13:08 |
fsmithred | then as root, apt-get build-dep postgresql-common | 13:08 |
fsmithred | cd to the postgres dir | 13:09 |
fsmithred | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b | 13:09 |
fsmithred | I only had to add one build-dep, but that's because I already have a lot of build stuff installed | 13:09 |
Soltis | What's the source URI? I don't think it was included in the example for sidegrading from debian which is how this box came to exist | 13:10 |
fsmithred | you want to get it from git? | 13:11 |
Soltis | No, no. Error: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list | 13:11 |
fsmithred | oh | 13:11 |
fsmithred | right | 13:11 |
fsmithred | hang on | 13:11 |
fsmithred | deb-src http://sledjhamr.org/devuan/merged ceres main | 13:11 |
fsmithred | or deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main | 13:12 |
fsmithred | then apt-update | 13:12 |
Soltis | Yep. And install missing utils along the way | 13:13 |
Soltis | ... that was terrifyingly simple. | 13:15 |
onefang | BOO! | 13:15 |
fsmithred | done already? | 13:15 |
fsmithred | and yeah, that's a good description. I was expecting at least a few problems. | 13:15 |
Soltis | Well the build is. | 13:15 |
Soltis | ... installing is proving a bit weirder | 13:15 |
fsmithred | right. I didn't try to install. | 13:15 |
Soltis | Yeah, okay, so how do I get these debs to realize they're pg-13 debs? | 13:16 |
fsmithred | fwiw, chimaera is pretty stable in the generic sense | 13:16 |
fsmithred | some of mine have that version number | 13:17 |
fsmithred | but some are just 225* | 13:17 |
fsmithred | I made a changelog entry to bump the version, hence the * | 13:18 |
fsmithred | added ~fsr1 | 13:18 |
fsmithred | time for foot. back in a few mins. | 13:19 |
onefang | Think he meant food. | 13:22 |
Soltis | Okay. Short version is that like postgresql-client_13+225_all.deb if I try to install it, it identifies the package as postgresql-client and then throws the error "Package postgresql-client-13 is not installed." | 13:23 |
Soltis | onefang: Probably, but I like what he typed better. | 13:23 |
onefang | Foot in mouth? | 13:23 |
Soltis | ... also pretend I'm short about 50 IQ points right now due to extreme fatigue | 13:24 |
Soltis | Which is also food in mouth if one bites down hard enough. | 13:24 |
onefang | Maybe get some rest before screwing with your system? | 13:24 |
Soltis | It's not in use anywhere yet, but right now is when nobody is gonna hassle me. | 13:25 |
Soltis | It's literally just an empty system I launched a couple hours ago, so consequences are pretty minimal if I trash it. Plus I've got an image in case I FUBAR it. | 13:26 |
fsmithred | yes, I meant food | 13:35 |
onefang | Welcome back. | 13:36 |
Soltis | So I'd not mind understanding why that error is happening; I assume something about how the package is created isn't marking it correctly? | 13:38 |
Soltis | ... or something to that effect. Honestly, I'm not very familiar with building packages with a dependency system hooked to them. Most of my experience was Slackware. | 13:38 |
fsmithred | ok, I just tried to install the pkgs. Some deps are missing. | 13:40 |
fsmithred | no '~' allowed in pakcage name??? | 13:42 |
Soltis | *Confused idiot noises* | 13:43 |
fsmithred | 'apt install -f' cleared up the errors | 13:45 |
fsmithred | despite the fact that the missing packages did not get installed | 13:48 |
fsmithred | Soltis, is this your machine or someone else's (e.g. work)? | 13:55 |
Soltis | fsmithred: Work, more or less. | 13:57 |
fsmithred | so running an OS that hasn't actually been released yet is probably out of the question | 13:57 |
Soltis | fsmithred: Not entirely - I have pretty much absolute discretion about that sort of thing. | 13:58 |
fsmithred | if you only had to answer to yourself, I'd suggest going with chimaera | 13:58 |
fsmithred | it's based on debian bullseye which has moved into freeze - soon to be declared stable | 13:58 |
fsmithred | we follow behind their schedule. | 13:58 |
Soltis | fsmithred: Okay. Yeah, I don't really want to dick with backporting if it's gonna end up with the packages in an odd state, but chimaera isn't necessarily out of the question. | 13:59 |
fsmithred | try it in a test system | 13:59 |
fsmithred | I haven't heard complaints from the people who are running it or running ceres | 14:00 |
Soltis | This is going to be a single-purpose box for a _new_ application, so the code that will utilize it hasn't actually even been written yet. | 14:00 |
fsmithred | "more stable than ubuntu" is a common description | 14:00 |
fsmithred | fwiw | 14:00 |
Soltis | That's good enough, if it's an accurate assessment. We used Ubuntu before I got our other system - the production system - migrated to Devuan. | 14:01 |
fsmithred | there are chimaera installer isos available now | 14:01 |
Soltis | fsmithred: I'd need to either upgrade this box or side-grade from Debian since I do _NOT_ want to bother with making a bootable AWS image from scratch. | 14:01 |
fsmithred | I'm running chimaera on a laptop. Don't do a whole lot with it other than occasional web browse and regular weekly video conference | 14:01 |
fsmithred | oh, upgrade from beowulf is not bad | 14:02 |
fsmithred | especially on a minimal system | 14:02 |
Soltis | Yeah, I figured. It's extremely minimal ... I'm assuming just muck with sources.list and then dist-upgrade? | 14:04 |
brocashelm | ceres is running 10/10 for me. especially once you config shit accordingly | 14:08 |
fsmithred | Yes, edit sources (no -updates or -security yet), update and dist-upgrade. There are upgrade and migration guides here. They have specifics that probably don't apply, but maybe some clues if you have trouble. https://www.devuan.org/os/install | 14:11 |
Soltis | It's going now; -updates seemed to exist, but -security and -backports didn't. Updated and dist-upgrade | 14:13 |
Soltis | We'll see how it goes | 14:13 |
Soltis | Interesting. Rebooted; release is 4 per lsb_release -a, but codename is N/A | 14:15 |
Soltis | ... now I just get to remember how to administer a pg instance, since installing it worked | 14:17 |
brocashelm | the nice thing about ceres IMO is you get to experiment with different repositories and can really make a beefy system if you do it right. it's only "broken" if you try this on stable, but unstable itself is VERY stable in my experience. i can't settle for old packages but i prefer the package manager by far to other distros | 14:18 |
brocashelm | xfce 4.16 runs amazingly well and have not had any crashes due to its design | 14:19 |
brocashelm | only thing i'd probably watch out for is if you want elogind to manager user sessions, since the dist-update pulls such packages in | 14:20 |
brocashelm | *manage | 14:20 |
Soltis | Ah, this is a single purpose box, so the only thing I care about is having postgresql-13 running stably and without too much in the way of security implications. | 14:22 |
fsmithred | look at /etc/os-release to see codename | 14:28 |
Soltis | Interesting, it's missing the VERSION_CODENAME line | 14:32 |
Soltis | Is there a reason for that? | 14:33 |
fsmithred | not sure | 14:33 |
Soltis | Eh. I just added it for S&G | 14:33 |
fsmithred | codename is in the VERSION line | 14:34 |
Soltis | It's there, too, yes. | 14:35 |
fsmithred | Soltis, here's the changelog entry from debian: | 14:39 |
fsmithred | - Add VERSION_CODENAME to os-release. | 14:39 |
fsmithred | (only expected on stable releases) | 14:39 |
Soltis | Ah, good to know. | 14:39 |
Soltis | Anyway, so Pg is running, so I'm happy | 14:39 |
fsmithred | cool | 14:39 |
Soltis | ... be happier once I have the damned thing configured and secured properly. | 14:40 |
Soltis | Such a pain in the ass | 14:40 |
search_social | onefang: good idea | 16:19 |
fsmithred | brocashelm, does udevil handle exfat? | 16:53 |
fsmithred | afk | 18:32 |
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