systemdlete | My physical machine has nvidia video... I installed nvidia driver for xorg. Should I be using nouveau instead? I am noticing some disturbing issues on beowulf that I did not see under ascii. | 04:35 |
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gnarface | depends on which model of nvidia card | 04:37 |
systemdlete | This one is onboard a Gigabyte MB | 04:37 |
gnarface | check lspci | 04:37 |
* systemdlete pulls out manual for board | 04:37 | |
gnarface | "lspci|grep VGA" should show it | 04:38 |
systemdlete | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208 [GeForce GT 710B] (rev a1) | 04:39 |
systemdlete | btw, gnarface: I did a complete update/upgrade on the beowulf host | 04:40 |
systemdlete | so the nvidia driver will be the latest for beowulf repo | 04:41 |
systemdlete | (just fyi) | 04:41 |
gnarface | https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html | 04:43 |
gnarface | judging by the featurematrix, nouveau might be worth a try for that card | 04:43 |
systemdlete | You think I will have fewer issues with it than nvidia's driver? | 04:43 |
systemdlete | If so, I am willing to swap it | 04:44 |
gnarface | well, it's old enough that a newer nvidia driver from backports definitely isn't gonna help | 04:44 |
gnarface | the legacy driver might but i'm not sure it's that old yet | 04:44 |
gnarface | i'd try nouveau first | 04:44 |
systemdlete | OK, thanks. | 04:44 |
systemdlete | bbl | 04:44 |
gnarface | but it depends on what you're doing with it | 04:44 |
systemdlete | not gaming | 04:45 |
systemdlete | not bitcoin mining | 04:45 |
gnarface | yea, then nouveau should be the most stable | 04:45 |
systemdlete | Just running a few VMs | 04:45 |
gnarface | you get to use mesa and it's better supported than nvidia's bolt on opengl | 04:45 |
systemdlete | sometimes this nvidia driver seems to freeze the hardware completely | 04:45 |
systemdlete | which is really scary | 04:45 |
gnarface | (by everything but some commercial games) | 04:46 |
gnarface | which is a strange thing i never thought i'd live to hear myself say | 04:46 |
systemdlete | OK, thanks gnarface (again) | 04:46 |
gnarface | np | 04:46 |
systemdlete | have to do the change and reboot the host (just for extra sure) | 04:47 |
systemdlete | oh | 04:47 |
systemdlete | firmware for nvidia? | 04:47 |
systemdlete | Almost forgot to ask | 04:47 |
gnarface | it's broken it won't help you | 04:47 |
systemdlete | lol | 04:47 |
systemdlete | good to know... kind of | 04:47 |
gnarface | video decoding performance will need more cpu probably | 04:48 |
gnarface | well | 04:48 |
gnarface | actually i'm not sure for that card | 04:48 |
gnarface | but that's what you lose is hardware video decoding | 04:48 |
systemdlete | let me see how nouveau goes | 04:48 |
gnarface | well, if you can get the hardware video decoding working let me know | 04:49 |
systemdlete | I've got 32gb ram here -- of course the VMs use some of that too. But I am only running a few VMs | 04:49 |
systemdlete | gnarface: How would I do that? | 04:49 |
gnarface | https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/VideoAcceleration.html | 04:50 |
systemdlete | overall, the nvidia driver is working (like, right now for instance) | 04:50 |
gnarface | all i know about it is on this page but i couldn't get it working | 04:50 |
gnarface | i actually switched to AMD over this shit | 04:50 |
gnarface | they don't deprecate their damned hardware | 04:51 |
gnarface | from their own damned drivers | 04:51 |
gnarface | but ymmv | 04:51 |
gnarface | the situation is it works for some people when they add it and it doesn't work for others but they don't really know why | 04:51 |
gnarface | it seems to be one of the parts that is persistently more difficult to reverse-engineer | 04:52 |
systemdlete | maybe nvidia has each chip (card) individually keyed? | 04:53 |
systemdlete | I mean, some kind of user licensing via hardware.... seems silly, but I'm wondering | 04:54 |
systemdlete | Looks like the 700 series cards are working with the exception of some firmware. | 04:54 |
gnarface | well it says compute shaders are a work in progress, as is power management, but that's the furthest they've got with any of the hardware | 04:55 |
gnarface | and yea the firmware thing but note that it's only used for hardware video decoding acceleration | 04:55 |
gnarface | the real problem is the power management thing because most of them default to the lowest power setting and stick there unless you find a way to manually change the clocks | 04:56 |
gnarface | and that's a good way to burn out the card if you're not careful | 04:56 |
gnarface | a rare few models default to the HIGHEST power setting but don't do so for the fans so they can burn out rather easily if you're not careful | 04:56 |
gnarface | and i don't know which those are but i think it's overall rare for that to be the default | 04:56 |
gnarface | probably none of that will matter if you're just using this to display a desktop for managing some headless VMs | 04:57 |
systemdlete | I have firmware-misc installed already. | 04:59 |
systemdlete | I don't see firmware for nvidia specifically -- maybe i missed it? | 04:59 |
systemdlete | I think I'll go with nouveau for now | 05:02 |
systemdlete | bbl | 05:02 |
systemdlete | hmmm... now it seems to be working again | 05:03 |
systemdlete | ???? | 05:03 |
systemdlete | !!!! | 05:03 |
systemdlete | the minitool bar in virtualbox was not appearing when I hovered near it (I have it set to autohide) | 05:03 |
systemdlete | but now it does appear as I move the mouse toward the edge of the screen | 05:04 |
gnarface | probably because the compositor is rendering it in software instead of hardware now, but what matters is that it works | 05:04 |
systemdlete | But I did not do anything... except chat with you! | 05:05 |
* systemdlete is NOT superstitious, just for the record | 05:05 | |
gnarface | wait, i thought you just switched to the nouveau drivers? | 05:05 |
systemdlete | no | 05:05 |
gnarface | oh | 05:05 |
systemdlete | haven't gotten that far | 05:05 |
gnarface | well that's really weird then | 05:05 |
systemdlete | oh good. We are in agreement then. | 05:06 |
systemdlete | It's weird. | 05:06 |
systemdlete | really weird, as you say. | 05:06 |
gnarface | could be gremlins | 05:06 |
systemdlete | But I have seen some really annoying problems. One time when I was logging in to the xfce desktop, all I saw was a blank screen, mouse pointer (which I could move) but no panels or other features. I could not get the context menu, so I had to reboot. The only "feature" was a small dark box in the upper left corner. But, that did nothing either. So I rebooted. | 05:07 |
systemdlete | Other times, when starting xfce from login prompt (from a console window) the whole system froze (it seemed). I could not get alternate consoles or F7 | 05:08 |
systemdlete | to see the desktop | 05:08 |
systemdlete | It's completely unpredictable. | 05:08 |
systemdlete | I did not have this under ascii. | 05:08 |
systemdlete | (other issues, to be sure, but not these) | 05:09 |
* systemdlete checks the receipt for the mainboard to see if he paid for gremlins. | 05:09 | |
* systemdlete was not charged for gremlins. Can't be gremlins. | 05:09 | |
systemdlete | I also checked the board specs; I don't see any feature called gremlins. Are you sure about this? Does it come free with some cards? | 05:12 |
gnarface | hehe | 05:14 |
gnarface | yes it comes from nvidia cards | 05:14 |
gnarface | i think they construct them out of gremlins actually | 05:14 |
systemdlete | Is there a driver for gremlins? Like maybe an AMC Gremlin (c. 1976 or so?) | 05:15 |
gnarface | no i don't think anyone knows what drives them. that's the problem with gremlins | 05:16 |
gnarface | they can't be reasoned with | 05:16 |
systemdlete | Which is perfect for creating mayhem. | 05:17 |
systemdlete | Well since nvidia seems to be straightening itself out a bit at a time, I'll let it be. For now. | 05:17 |
systemdlete | If I develop other problems, I'll switch to the nouveau driver. | 05:18 |
systemdlete | s/develop/encounter/ | 05:18 |
gnarface | you could have better or worse luck with other window managers | 05:19 |
gnarface | differences in compositing behavior could help you avoid bugs | 05:20 |
systemdlete | in xfce, I go into the file manager (thunar?) and enable single click to activate items. But desktop icons don't do anything unless I double click them. | 05:29 |
systemdlete | nvm. I forgot there are 2 parts to xfce | 05:34 |
systemdlete | desktop single click is handled separately | 05:35 |
systemdlete | gnarface: You may decide to hate me (if you haven't already). Turns out, even though I EXPLICITLY installed the nvidia driver, somehow... | 06:21 |
systemdlete | it is running the nouveau driver. | 06:21 |
systemdlete | But here is SOME good news... sorta. I just rebooted to ascii. And nearly everything seems normal again. | 06:22 |
systemdlete | But, it could be illusory. I'll let you know if ascii also starts hiccuping on me with the video nonsense. | 06:22 |
systemdlete | When I boot either ascii or beowulf, I get all the IO_PAGE_FAULT errors. Some searching tells me to pass iommu=soft to the grub command line to eliminate these messages. | 06:25 |
systemdlete | But apparently that option is for applications that can't go over 4G | 06:26 |
gnarface | systemdlete: you should purge all the nvidia packages if you're trying to run nouveau, then maybe reinstall some mesa ones | 08:06 |
gnarface | you could have a mix of nvidia and mesa opengl stuff in use, and that is known to cause undocumented weird problems | 08:06 |
schillingklaus | nvidia is the systemd of gpus | 08:08 |
gnarface | well it's also a known issue that you're supposed to blacklist the nouveau driver after installing the nvidia ones if you actually want to use them, but the packages in the repo should have taken care of that automatically | 08:09 |
gnarface | if they didn't, it's a simple thing to fix | 08:09 |
gnarface | but if the nvidia installer script from nvidia.com was used instead it usually makes a mess you can't clean up | 08:09 |
onefang | Well you can always reinstall. Nuke nVidia from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. | 08:12 |
sca__ | Hello | 13:27 |
Joril | Hello! | 13:31 |
sca__ | O wow a response :) I just wanted to test if i can say something in this channel. Thanks anyway | 13:33 |
UsL | "It's the only way to be sure." Hahaha! "Well, why don't you put her in charge then?!" | 16:13 |
user | I did not see answers to my vim highlight problems/questions. Are there known improvements in devuan-distributed vim syntax highlight files? Specifically for javascript and markdown, but also in general? | 17:04 |
rwp | user, Vim is simply vim and (I would imagine) would be the same everywhere. You might try the #vim channel. There are 567 nicks that at this moment. :-) | 18:30 |
GyrosGeier | also, I think Devuan follows Debian here | 18:30 |
user | Yes, and they are all registered :) | 18:30 |
rwp | Well... we could help you get registered so you would have voice there... | 18:31 |
rwp | I don't see your vim question in my scrollback range. Perhaps ask it again? | 18:32 |
user | I was registered on freenode, not again ... | 18:32 |
rwp | The channel mode flag is one of the few anti-spam actions that mostly works, which is why it is so often the choice made. | 18:33 |
GyrosGeier | the nickserv db wasn't transferred from freenode to libera | 18:33 |
GyrosGeier | well, the nickserv db wasn't even transferred from freenode to freenode | 18:33 |
rwp | Most of us have been beaten down so much that we set it on our user mode too in order to avoid the spambots from shouting at us all of the time. | 18:33 |
rwp | Right. All of us were registered on Freenode at one time. But it is all gone now. Nothing we can do about it. Spilled milk now. Gone and spoiled. | 18:34 |
rwp | user, I don't use vim so won't know anything myself about vim syntax highlighting but if you ask your question again perhaps someone else will know. | 18:36 |
user | GyrosGeier: it was cat'd to /dev/null | 18:37 |
user | rwp: it's ok, it can wait. | 18:37 |
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