| Centurion_Dan | bugger - hit that util-linux/sysvinit-utils quagmire... | 02:30 |
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| fsmithred_ | I don't recall it. Did you look at any of the upgrade guides? | 02:32 |
| Centurion_Dan | fsmithred - the one I want is missing - gets a borked link ... https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii | 02:41 |
| fsmithred_ | I might be able to find it | 02:41 |
| rrq | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-ascii.html | 02:43 |
| rrq | maybe useful? https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/migrate-to-ascii.html | 02:44 |
| fsmithred_ | rrq, speaking of upgrades... https://termbin.com/hmor | 02:49 |
| rrq | good | 02:50 |
| rrq | I think we'll need to employ some real programmers... | 02:50 |
| fsmithred_ | there might be a missing "then" a few lines below where it says | 02:51 |
| fsmithred_ | line 22 or so? https://git.devuan.org/devuan/installer-iso/src/branch/amd64-chimaera-sudo/scripts/magic-touch | 02:53 |
| rrq | yes; patched ... I'll trigger a manual iso rebuild | 02:56 |
| fsmithred_ | thanks | 03:00 |
| onefang | rrq: "employ some real programmers" I'm available for hire. B-) | 03:03 |
| rrq | mmm pay is available at 10 times current pay | 03:04 |
| Centurion_Dan | thanks rrq. But that's missing the info I need.... | 03:04 |
| Xenguy | .oO( Are we multiplying be zero? :- ) | 03:04 |
| Xenguy | s/be/by | 03:04 |
| onefang | I'm gonna need more storage to fit ten times the amount of stuff pkgmaster gives me. | 03:06 |
| rrq | Centurion_Dan: I'm blank about "the quagmire" I'm afraid .. what do you need? | 03:09 |
| Centurion_Dan | got it.... update-rc.d is in /usr/sbin which isn't in the root PATH for some reason... | 03:11 |
| Centurion_Dan | so installing util-linux failed... | 03:12 |
| rrq | ah that's the "su" upgrade ... doesn't change path without "-" (login) | 03:12 |
| rrq | fsmithred_ knows how to patch for that .. all options and best option :) | 03:15 |
| gnarface | luckily you can just put /sbin and /usr/sbin back in root's path by editing /etc/login.defs | 03:19 |
| gnarface | though i expect in a future "upgrade" the assholes will remove that config option | 03:20 |
| gnarface | the thing about needing to pass "-" to su isn't a big deal because that's how it was supposed to behave to begin with | 03:22 |
| Centurion_Dan | Ah, thanks gnarface! | 03:23 |
| gnarface | why the PATH variable wasn't considered "part of the environment" from the very beginning was a mistake borne of someone's pure unfettered laziness | 03:23 |
| fsmithred_ | echo 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' > /etc/default/su | 03:28 |
| fsmithred_ | see man su | 03:28 |
| golinux | Also the release notes, right? | 03:28 |
| fsmithred_ | yeah | 03:29 |
| Xenguy | inch by inch, step by step | 03:33 |
| GyrosGeier | hi Harzilein | 14:40 |
| APic | ☺ | 14:57 |
| aplainzetakind | urxvt seems to ignore .Xresources, could I be missing a relevant package? | 16:27 |
| phogg | aplainzetakind: did you merge the changes? | 16:29 |
| phogg | programs won't read .Xresources, they'll use the X resource database (which is initialized from .Xresources when X starts) | 16:29 |
| aplainzetakind | xrdb -load tells me #Urxvt.color's are invalid preprocessor directives. | 16:30 |
| aplainzetakind | And I restarted X too. | 16:30 |
| phogg | then that's probably true | 16:30 |
| aplainzetakind | But this is the file that works on another machine. | 16:30 |
| phogg | aplainzetakind: normally lines are not preceded by a # | 16:31 |
| phogg | I can't explain why it might work somewhere else, starting with a # is used for macro directives (like in C). | 16:33 |
| aplainzetakind | Is there a Just Works way to get the volume/brightness/etc. keys working on a thinkpad t480? Or should I fiddle with acpi events and such? | 21:05 |
| UsL | it's weird they don't work out of the box already. | 21:10 |
| aplainzetakind | I started off a -netist install without a network. | 21:10 |
| aplainzetakind | So I'm installing most out-of-the-box things manually. | 21:11 |
| aplainzetakind | If there's a package that just does it, I don't know what it is. | 21:11 |
| Xenguy | pm-utils installed? | 21:13 |
| aplainzetakind | Wasn't, now is. | 21:13 |
| aplainzetakind | Should I reboot? | 21:14 |
| Xenguy | Not sure. In the past I had to do manual configuration to get some 'function' keys to work... | 21:14 |
| Xenguy | Seems to depend on the machine I'm using | 21:14 |
| Xenguy | Might take some search-fu, or perhaps someone here has crossed that bridge, so idle for a time | 21:16 |
| aplainzetakind | I did have to write acpi events by hand on gentoo, but they also worked out of the box on mint once. | 21:17 |
| aplainzetakind | So there probably is a package. | 21:17 |
| aplainzetakind | I'll search more. | 21:18 |
| Xenguy | I have a vague recollection that there were threads about this topic in the Forum, FWIW | 21:18 |
| armin | oh wow, just installed devuan again after a year or so and tada.wav you can now choose 3 init systems directly from the installer. that's great news. \m/ | 23:03 |
| golinux | armin: The elves have been working hard in the workshop. :D | 23:05 |
| UsL | : ) | 23:09 |
| armin | golinux: well i just installed 3.1 in a tiny VM and i was quite MINDBLOWN to see this here: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E59qrNjX0A4hNb1?format=jpg&name=large | 23:11 |
| Xenguy | That's sweet | 23:24 |
| Xenguy | Never tried any other init system myself, just stuck with the default | 23:24 |
| Xenguy | I'm curious about runit | 23:25 |
| chomwitt | i'll try to install Beowulf to my desktop with lxde | 23:26 |
| armin | Xenguy: that's just what i chose because it's the most simple one i ever tried and i knew it from void and artix. | 23:26 |
| chomwitt | with netinstall | 23:26 |
| armin | but yeah that's a super welcome addition. big shouts to everyone who made this possible. | 23:27 |
| Xenguy | chomwitt, I really like LXDE when I used it. At the time it didn't have any 'notifications' (e.g. in the tray, or automounting etc.), so I switched to something else | 23:27 |
| Xenguy | armin, You chose runit, or ...? | 23:27 |
| armin | Xenguy: yes of course, it's so trivial that i can explain the whole concept behind it in just one sentence, i love its simplicity. | 23:28 |
| Xenguy | Sounds like it'll fit in quite nicely here : -) | 23:28 |
| armin | what's confusing to me is that /etc/service has only getty symlinks | 23:35 |
| armin | but still, you can see that each of those getty sub-directories has just a "run" file that is 5 lines long or so. that's what runit executes and that's the whole point of runit. you give it a directory where you put services and tell runsvdir to look into each sub-directory in there and run a file called simply "run". | 23:37 |
| armin | and there's the "sv" program which you can use to start/stop services, e.g. "sv start nginx" | 23:38 |
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