vvande | Can I install a .deb package on Devuan 3.1.1? | 01:39 |
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debdog | depends. devuan uses .deb for packaging. but that does not mean all .debs are compatible | 01:42 |
gnarface | well, and what's worse, not all incompatible debs will refuse to install | 01:44 |
gnarface | sometimes the incompatibilities aren't apparent until it's too late | 01:44 |
golinux | vvande: Not directly from Debian. | 01:45 |
golinux | Use the Devuan repos. | 01:45 |
golinux | Oops . . . a frankendevuan . . . | 01:46 |
golinux | is a possibility if you use 3rd party repos | 01:46 |
vvande | golinux, is there a Skype program in the Devuan repos. (I had assumed not) | 01:46 |
vvande | I don't want to use Skype, but I have a suitable laptop and other people are unable to change. | 01:47 |
golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ is your friend. | 01:48 |
golinux | Probably no skype there though. | 01:48 |
vvande | thanks for that link, I'll look, just in case | 01:49 |
golinux | Hope you can get it working. | 01:49 |
vvande | Skype is evil though. | 01:49 |
golinux | Yup. | 01:49 |
vvande | I tried Firefox plugin. Won't work. I tried Chromium, but it only works with Chromium-Microsoft. lol | 01:50 |
golinux | Try vivaldi | 01:50 |
debdog | according to https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10328/what-are-the-system-requirements-for-skype it should™ work | 01:50 |
vvande | There is a .deb on MS servers. I'll try that. Not holding my breath though. | 01:50 |
vvande | hmm, I'll try Vivaldi. I wouldn't have thought though. They probably mean Vivaldi running on Windows. haha | 01:51 |
golinux | Couldn't you use https://meet.jit.si/ | 01:52 |
golinux | ? | 01:52 |
vvande | would love to | 01:53 |
vvande | but there are too many people involved. It's a group that I want to join. | 01:53 |
golinux | It works pretty well and nothing to install | 01:53 |
golinux | Like how many? | 01:54 |
vvande | I'm not sure yet. I think about 20. | 01:54 |
golinux | That could start to push it. Problem will be the connections not being stable or strong enough | 01:55 |
golinux | Doesn't hurt to give it a test. You can change the setting to very low res to keep the connection from dropping | 01:56 |
vvande | I'm new to video conferencing. But I've used Zoom, and it even worked on Devuan ASCII | 01:57 |
vvande | Local government uses Webex, and that works too. Just Skype is dysfunctional. lol | 01:58 |
golinux | I use jitsi on jessie! | 01:58 |
vvande | :) | 01:58 |
fsmithred | skype works just fine on devuan | 02:00 |
fsmithred | download the deb package from MS | 02:01 |
fsmithred | assume that it is spyware | 02:01 |
UsL | I have a vague memory zoom ignored the settings I made in sysv rc conf and always autostarted anyway.. So spyware there as well. | 02:04 |
fsmithred | I just found out recently that you don't need to install the zoom software on your computer. Plain old (spyware) browser works. | 02:04 |
fsmithred | chromium | 02:04 |
fsmithred | I didn't try ff | 02:05 |
UsL | I tried FF but it lagged so much I couldn't even move see my cursor. | 02:05 |
UsL | jit.si is good though. No lag. | 02:06 |
vvande | yeah, Zoom is great in my browser. | 02:06 |
vvande | fsmithred, thanks for that info. I just downloaded the Zoom software from Ms. | 02:07 |
UsL | my laptop is from 2006. Core 2 duo thing.. I can't blame it.. | 02:07 |
UsL | : ) | 02:07 |
fsmithred | zoom from MS??? | 02:07 |
fsmithred | skype from ms, zoom from zoom | 02:07 |
vvande | oops, I meant Skype | 02:08 |
fsmithred | whew | 02:08 |
vvande | I've never in my life downloaded anything from MS before now. | 02:08 |
fsmithred | lol | 02:08 |
fsmithred | make your own live iso with skype and whatever else, and run it in a VM when you want to use it. | 02:09 |
fsmithred | or boot from live-usb | 02:09 |
fsmithred | not on core 2 duo | 02:09 |
fsmithred | well, voice maybe | 02:09 |
vvande | I haven't figured out how to get VMs integrated with camera etc. But I normally run FreeBSD here and I'm not going to add a camera etc. | 02:10 |
vvande | The laptop is great, it has camera and mic built in. And I won't use it for anything else anyway. | 02:10 |
fsmithred | I did a jitsi meet running from live-usb. That worked well. | 02:11 |
vvande | interesting. I will try jitsi meet some time. It seems to be the best choice out there. | 02:13 |
vvande | OK, it looks like skypeforlinux-64.deb installed just fine. | 02:16 |
vvande | The laptop is upstairs, so I'll go up and see if it really worksed. lol | 02:17 |
nemo | fsmithred: hm. as it happens I need to do a recovery on one laptop after an attempted chimaera update failed to reboot | 04:14 |
nemo | you said you had some ISOs? maybe I'll give one of those a try on the USB drive here | 04:14 |
nemo | eh. guess I'll just use whatever I can find on devuan.org | 04:15 |
fsmithred | I have some experimental stuff | 04:15 |
fsmithred | chimaera with runit | 04:15 |
fsmithred | regular refracta isos are a good choice for recovery live-usb | 04:16 |
fsmithred | better choice that plain devuan | 04:16 |
fsmithred | but those are only beowulf | 04:18 |
nemo | that's what I'm grabbing now | 04:18 |
nemo | /devuan_beowulf/minimal-live/devuan_beowulf_3.1.1_amd64_minimal-live.iso | 04:18 |
fsmithred | oh | 04:19 |
nemo | hmmm this laptop has a an efi/devuan folder | 04:33 |
nemo | and recently updated | 04:33 |
nemo | I bet it's same problem I had booting with the other one | 04:33 |
nemo | the fact that debian started signing their boot loader paths to avoid changing location during the boot | 04:33 |
nemo | well. signing loader and forcing efi/debian | 04:33 |
nemo | wish I could remember what I did to fix it | 04:33 |
nemo | someone here helped me | 04:33 |
nemo | probably involved copying stuff to the debian folder... | 04:34 |
fsmithred | if you're not using secure boot, remove grub-efi-amd64-signed | 04:34 |
fsmithred | the unsigned package will remain | 04:34 |
nemo | oh. yeah, I guess that would work. and I don't *need* it | 04:34 |
nemo | thought I did something else, but whatever | 04:34 |
fsmithred | you might have made a debian dir in the efi partition | 04:34 |
nemo | there's a debian and a devuan. | 04:37 |
nemo | both were recently updated | 04:37 |
nemo | but. hm. after apt remove grub-efi-amd64-signed and rebooting, it still boots straight to windows. ugh | 04:38 |
nemo | guess I gotta look up how to reinstall grub on efi, my attempted grub-install to /boot/efi after mounting the sdb1 efi boot partition to /boot/efi did not work | 04:38 |
nemo | (we're not actually using windows. it's mostly there in case we needed it for a VM or warranty) | 04:39 |
fsmithred | I usually chroot and then just 'grub-install && update-grub' | 04:39 |
fsmithred | you have to remember to mount the efi partition to /boot/efi | 04:40 |
fsmithred | and I'm pretty sure there's a grub-install option to install to a different root, so you don't have to chroot | 04:41 |
gnarface | also you have to remember that grub is very dumb and if you have multiple disks with multiple grub installs this will frequently go off the rails if you try it from a disk other than the first one | 04:41 |
nemo | I just have the basic rescue ISO right now | 04:42 |
nemo | trying again | 04:42 |
nemo | /boot/efi is now the mounted EFI partition. timestamps show that EFI/debian was updated today (last try no doubt) and EFI/devuan has yesterday's date | 04:42 |
nemo | probably from the attempted chimaera upgrade | 04:42 |
fsmithred | yeah, regular installer iso in rescue mode lets you reinstall grub | 04:42 |
nemo | oh? | 04:43 |
nemo | I was just doing a chroot | 04:43 |
nemo | guess I can try that | 04:43 |
nemo | maybe it's smarter than me :) | 04:43 |
nemo | hm. wonder if I should get rid of EFI/devuan | 04:43 |
fsmithred | it is | 04:43 |
fsmithred | it will offer to open lvm or assemble raid if it sees it | 04:43 |
fsmithred | you can leave extra bootloaders | 04:43 |
fsmithred | when I do test installs on efi hardware, grub installs a new bootloader for the new system | 04:44 |
fsmithred | when I'm done testing that system, I remove that bootloader (with efibootmgr) and the previous one just takes over. | 04:44 |
fsmithred | use efibootmgr to remove the bootloader, and then you can remove the directory on the efi partition if you want. Or keep it if your uefi lets you change boot order. Mine does not. | 04:46 |
nemo | hm. maybe that's why it keeps going to windows | 04:54 |
nemo | wonder how it ever worked then | 04:54 |
fsmithred | I'm pretty sure they keep changing something in grub. I've had to change refractainstaller a couple of times to keep up with it. | 04:58 |
fsmithred | and there's a trick at the end of the installer isos that puts a grub.cfg in EFI/debian/ | 04:58 |
fsmithred | because that prefix is hardcoded | 04:58 |
nemo | I do so hate uefi | 04:59 |
nemo | I think I need to grab another iso | 04:59 |
fsmithred | not as much as I do | 04:59 |
nemo | this one seems to not have efivarfs which is my guess as to why things keep failing | 04:59 |
nemo | you said there was one with a repair option? | 05:00 |
fsmithred | if you can get to a boot device menu, you might be able to choose the older bootloader | 05:00 |
fsmithred | any of the installer isos (the ones with debian-installer) | 05:00 |
nemo | fsmithred: computer seems to consistently go to windows boot menu | 05:00 |
fsmithred | Advanced options, Rescue | 05:00 |
nemo | lemme see if I can find some magic keystrokes to get to something else | 05:00 |
fsmithred | is it HP? | 05:00 |
nemo | Lenovo ☹ | 05:00 |
fsmithred | which one? | 05:00 |
nemo | ideapad 320-15abr | 05:01 |
rrq | usually F2 to get boot setup screen(s) ? | 05:02 |
nemo | F12 it seems to say | 05:02 |
nemo | well. I punched a bunch of things, lemme try that I guess | 05:02 |
fsmithred | I made a live-usb for an ideapad recently, but I could not figure out how to boot from usb. | 05:04 |
nemo | F12 gets me to boot menu - only options are HD, CD, LAN, Windows | 05:04 |
nemo | HD sends me to widnows | 05:04 |
nemo | *windows | 05:04 |
nemo | welllp | 05:04 |
rrq | pcsupport.lenovo.com says to use F2 or (Fn+F2) | 05:05 |
nemo | lemme find an ISO with a rescue option I guess | 05:05 |
nemo | oh? hm | 05:05 |
nemo | can't hurt to try I guess | 05:05 |
fsmithred | when the grub setup asks if you want to install to the removable media location, I think you might want to say yes. | 05:05 |
nemo | definitely wasn't F2 | 05:06 |
nemo | fsmithred: still have to get *to* a grub setup | 05:06 |
rrq | https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/au/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/300-series/320-15abr/solutions/ht500216-recommended-way-to-enter-bios-ideapad | 05:06 |
nemo | /devuan_beowulf/minimal-live/devuan_beowulf_3.1.1_amd64_minimal-live.iso seems to be missing efivarfs | 05:06 |
fsmithred | minimal-live iso is not uefi compatible | 05:06 |
nemo | yeah. was getting that impression | 05:07 |
nemo | so gotta find one that is | 05:07 |
nemo | they unfortunately don't say it in the name | 05:07 |
nemo | I guess I'll try minimal installer | 05:07 |
fsmithred | that one doesn't even have pae kernel | 05:07 |
nemo | netinstall | 05:07 |
fsmithred | you installing beowulf or chimaera? | 05:07 |
nemo | chimaera was what I was updating to when everything broken | 05:08 |
nemo | *broke | 05:08 |
nemo | but for what I'm trying to do (chroot rescue) it surely doesn't matter what iso I get | 05:08 |
nemo | although maybe I can just try a fresh chimaera install so long as I don't erase her data | 05:08 |
nemo | s/what iso I get/what iso I get so long as it supports uefi/ 😝 | 05:08 |
fsmithred | amd64 netinstall | 05:09 |
nemo | oh good since I just downloaded that ☺ | 05:09 |
fsmithred | they all do, but that one is a smaller download | 05:09 |
fsmithred | and if install from one of the bigger ones and don't choose a mirror... | 05:09 |
fsmithred | you don't get the full desktop | 05:09 |
fsmithred | but I think an even better choice is to start with just the standard system utils and add what you want after first reboot. | 05:10 |
rrq | apparently that laptop type may also have a "Novo button" for a boot menu | 05:13 |
nemo | beowulf netinstall rescue | 05:17 |
nemo | Executing grub-install /dev/sda failed | 05:17 |
nemo | this is a fatal error | 05:17 |
nemo | and a scary red screen | 05:17 |
nemo | wheeeee | 05:17 |
nemo | hm | 05:17 |
nemo | maybe I need to make sure uefo is enabled in bios | 05:18 |
nemo | I was screwing aroudn with "legacy" maybe that broke something | 05:18 |
unclouded | isn't the command supposed to be `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi` for UEFI? Seems to work even without a device specified for me | 05:19 |
fsmithred | I've only ever used 'grub-install' | 05:19 |
unclouded | which I guess makes sense if it can find the ESP and update the efivars | 05:19 |
fsmithred | well, occaionally --bootloader-id= | 05:19 |
mason | nemo: Wait, UEFI and grub-install to /dev/sda doesn't sound right. | 05:21 |
nemo | welp. Removed legacy boot. errored due to secure boot. back to bios, turning that off, trying again... | 05:21 |
nemo | mason: oh? why? | 05:21 |
fsmithred | because it installs to the efi partition | 05:21 |
fsmithred | you don't need to tell it where to put the bootloader | 05:21 |
mason | nemo: You want grub-install --efi-directory=/boot/efifoo | 05:21 |
mason | nemo: So, for mirrors here I run two ESPs and I grub-install --efi-directory=/boot/efi0 and grub-install --efi-directory=/boot/efi1 | 05:22 |
nemo | fsmithred: kay... | 05:22 |
unclouded | is that because UEFI doesn't support RAID1 yet? | 05:22 |
nemo | fsmithred: it was asking me to specify a location. dunno | 05:22 |
nemo | and gave as an example /dev/sda | 05:22 |
nemo | so was like. um. fine. | 05:22 |
fsmithred | that sounds like grub-pc | 05:23 |
mason | unclouded: UEFI won't ever. Ubuntu automatically handles multiple ESPs. The rest of us have to use our own RAID or (better) just keep multiple copies. | 05:23 |
fsmithred | are you still booted in that system; | 05:23 |
fsmithred | ? | 05:23 |
nemo | fsmithred: I'm working my way back to that place in the rescue again | 05:23 |
nemo | ooone sec | 05:23 |
mason | nemo: Make sure your ESP is mounted before you try the install. | 05:24 |
mason | the grub-install | 05:24 |
fsmithred | can you recognize the difference between isolinux boot screen and grub boot screen? | 05:24 |
nemo | [Rescue operations] | 05:25 |
nemo | Execute shell in /dev/sda6 (the root - there's a bunch of stupid partitions for windows and windows rescue and efi) | 05:25 |
nemo | Execute a shell in the installer environment | 05:25 |
nemo | Reinstall GRUB boot loader | 05:26 |
nemo | Force GRUB installation to the EFI removable media path | 05:26 |
nemo | Choose a different root file system | 05:26 |
nemo | Reboot the system | 05:26 |
nemo | First time around I'd picked "reinstall" because it didn't say "force" or "removable media" which sounded wrong | 05:26 |
fsmithred | wait | 05:26 |
fsmithred | do you know if you booted uefi or legacy? | 05:26 |
nemo | UEFI | 05:27 |
fsmithred | does /sys/firmware/efi exist? | 05:27 |
nemo | legacy is turned off | 05:27 |
nemo | gotta get to a shell to check that | 05:27 |
fsmithred | ok, so reinstall grub | 05:27 |
nemo | oh. and also, last time I tried I got a secure boot error until I went into bios and disabled secure boot - that wouldn't happen with legacy | 05:27 |
fsmithred | if it asks for a disk, abort. | 05:27 |
nemo | device for boot loader installation | 05:27 |
nemo | sigh | 05:27 |
nemo | so that means legacy eh | 05:28 |
fsmithred | yeah | 05:28 |
nemo | HATE EFI *sob* | 05:28 |
nemo | life used to be so simple | 05:28 |
nemo | I knew my partitions. it was all straightforward | 05:28 |
nemo | no loading a gigabyte of malware in my boot partition.. | 05:28 |
fsmithred | when you're at the boot menu, determine whether TAB or e gets you to edit the boot command. | 05:28 |
fsmithred | isolinux uses TAB and you get that with legacy bios boot | 05:29 |
fsmithred | efi gives you grub menu. e to edit | 05:29 |
fsmithred | don't edit. just see what you've got. | 05:29 |
nemo | e | 05:29 |
fsmithred | holy shit | 05:29 |
fsmithred | why is it asking for a device? | 05:29 |
* nemo shrugs | 05:29 | |
nemo | wish I could screenshare ☺ | 05:29 |
nemo | well. I guess I could point a camera at the screen | 05:30 |
nemo | you could admire my underwear-clad attempts to fix this | 05:30 |
nemo | meh. going to go back to rescue again | 05:30 |
unclouded | gah! can't unread that! | 05:30 |
nemo | ☺ ☺ | 05:30 |
nemo | welp. back to rescue mode | 05:31 |
nemo | maybe I'll try dropping to a shell this time | 05:31 |
fsmithred | time for sleep here. good luck. | 05:31 |
nemo | 'n8 | 05:31 |
unclouded | `ls /sys/firmware/efi/`, which I think indicates having detected UEFI boot if it has files in it | 05:35 |
nemo | dropped to shell | 05:35 |
nemo | grub-install | 05:35 |
nemo | Installing for x86_64-efi platform. | 05:35 |
nemo | grub-install: warning: Cannot set EFI variable Boot0001 | 05:36 |
nemo | grub-install warning: vars_set_variable: write() failed: No space left on device. | 05:36 |
nemo | grub-install: warning: _efi_set_variable_mode: ops->set_variable() failed: No such file or directory. | 05:36 |
nemo | grub-install: error: failed to register the EFI boot entry: No such file or directory. | 05:36 |
nemo | /boot/efi is 14% used, 225 megs free | 05:36 |
nemo | / has 304GB free | 05:37 |
unclouded | might not be an issue here but "No space left on device" can also mean that there are too many entries in a directory. The maximum was 512 when I tried | 05:37 |
nemo | FAT32 thing? | 05:38 |
nemo | lovely | 05:38 |
nemo | any way to just clobber efi without destroying everything? | 05:38 |
unclouded | probably a bad idea if you want to dual boot Windows | 05:38 |
nemo | wow. there's a lot of stuff in efibootmgr | 05:38 |
unclouded | the ESP is shared with Windows I guess? | 05:38 |
nemo | yeah, was trying not to get rid of it | 05:39 |
nemo | was what came w/ lapto | 05:39 |
nemo | we are probably way past warranty, but was just in case I needed it | 05:39 |
nemo | hasn't been used since purchase though | 05:39 |
unclouded | is there a limit on the number of boot options in efivars? it's stored in NVRAM after all | 05:39 |
unclouded | I think you can use efibootmgr to delete ones you don't need if you don't plan to boot via PXE or an optical drive | 05:40 |
nemo | yeah, let's see | 05:40 |
nemo | Windows Boot Manager, Setup, Boot Menu, Diagnostic Splash, OilDiagApp, ATA HDD, ATA HDD1, ATAPI CD, USP HD, PCI LAN IPv6, USB FDD, USP CD, NVMe, PCI LAN IPv4 | 05:41 |
nemo | still only 14 entries though | 05:41 |
nemo | Currently on the USB HD | 05:41 |
unclouded | think you'll use both USB CD and ATAPI CD? | 05:42 |
nemo | maaaybe | 05:43 |
nemo | I guess that does sound unlikely | 05:43 |
nemo | fine | 05:43 |
nemo | but I don't see why this would matter | 05:43 |
nemo | also the windows boot manager and the HD options all have an * which I bet means "magic" | 05:43 |
unclouded | just wondering what caused "Cannot set EFI variable Boot0001" | 05:43 |
nemo | but I guess I can try | 05:43 |
nemo | unclouded: restricted to windows somehow? | 05:43 |
nemo | but how did I get this working in the first place | 05:43 |
nemo | I'd swear I didn't enable legacy boot | 05:43 |
nemo | but... maybe I did. hm | 05:43 |
nemo | no. no. that can't be it | 05:44 |
nemo | https://github.com/mpalourdio/xps13/issues/113 ducking for error | 05:44 |
unclouded | I read on my travels that from EFI implementations assume Windows, but doesn't that mean that you can use --removeable, which uses EFI/BOOT? | 05:44 |
nemo | hmmm modprobe for efivarfs and efivars fails with this rescue image | 05:45 |
unclouded | did you have files in /sys/firmware/efi/? | 05:45 |
nemo | efi yes | 05:45 |
nemo | efivars is empty | 05:45 |
unclouded | that sounds much more promising | 05:45 |
nemo | bah. I'm going to try that "EFI removable media path" screwit | 05:46 |
nemo | at worst I mess up windows | 05:46 |
nemo | sick of this. it's late | 05:46 |
nemo | curses upon the creators of EFI | 05:47 |
nemo | failed. dammit | 05:47 |
rrq | possibly you'll need to disable "windows boot manager" which you'd do in windows | 05:48 |
rrq | that should then let you reconfigure boot setup so that the devuan boot option comes first | 05:49 |
nemo | in bios I'd already set windows boot manager to last place in boot order | 05:51 |
nemo | also, I'd use F12 to specify ATA HD | 05:52 |
nemo | if that was setup correctly it should have loaded grub | 05:52 |
nemo | BootOrder in efibootmgr confirms | 05:52 |
nemo | currently is USB HDD, ATA HDD, ATA HDD1, ATAPI CD, PCI LAN, USB FDD, USB CD, NVMe, Windows Boot Manager | 05:53 |
nemo | in that order | 05:53 |
rrq | ok, and ATA HDD does have the EFI partition of type FAT or FAT32? | 05:54 |
nemo | fdisk -l says "EFI System" type... | 05:55 |
nemo | which I'm guessing is some sort of FAT | 05:55 |
rrq | right, and you ran a "normal" install of devuan... hmm | 05:56 |
rrq | does it have an UEFI shell? | 05:57 |
rrq | it = the machine | 05:57 |
nemo | hmmm /sys/fimeware/efi/vars has a lot of vars of type dump-type0-* | 05:58 |
nemo | maybe those are taking up all the room | 05:58 |
nemo | some garbage crap | 05:58 |
nemo | 202 variables | 05:58 |
nemo | wait no | 05:59 |
nemo | er yeah... 117 dump thingies | 05:59 |
nemo | let's see if that could cause a prob | 05:59 |
nemo | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=947142 | 05:59 |
nemo | hmmm | 06:00 |
nemo | looks like I can maybe just delete them? | 06:00 |
nemo | " | 06:00 |
nemo | A workaround is to reboot 30 times (each reboot generates some garbage; my nvram is 128K; YMMV) and trigger firmware garbage collection. | 06:00 |
nemo | " | 06:00 |
nemo | yeah no | 06:00 |
nemo | lol | 06:01 |
nemo | hm now how to delete vars | 06:02 |
unclouded | the EFI removable path thing probably won't help here. it will just install grubx64.efi to EFI/BOOT instead of EFI/devuan | 06:03 |
unclouded | vars is probably the first issue | 06:03 |
unclouded | this might be of use if man pages are not on the rescue CD: https://linux.die.net/man/8/efibootmgr | 06:04 |
nemo | I mounted efivarfs to /tmp/cleanup | 06:04 |
nemo | then did rm -rf dump-type0* | 06:04 |
nemo | fingers crossed | 06:05 |
nemo | the sys/efi/vars did not change, but eh, let's see what a reboot does | 06:05 |
nemo | oooh | 06:10 |
nemo | no errors reported | 06:10 |
nemo | maybe it was those stupid dump files | 06:10 |
nemo | therefore lenovo's fault. shocker | 06:10 |
nemo | that was it. wooooo | 06:11 |
nemo | hate lenovo. hate efi. but I have my grub boot again huzzah | 06:11 |
nemo | aaand a nice MATE desktop. yaaay | 06:11 |
Xenguy | 8 -D | 06:15 |
unclouded | w00t! Nice to see another failure mode in case it ever bites me in the a$$ | 06:16 |
jason1234 | hi | 15:00 |
jason1234 | i boot devuan on notebook without wlan. so no net. however, devuan hangs at boot, cuz no net. | 15:01 |
jason1234 | Is there /proc/cmdline way to boot the kernel with unactivating the ethernet? | 15:01 |
GyrosGeier | it shouldn't hang | 15:02 |
jason1234 | it does | 15:02 |
GyrosGeier | hm | 15:02 |
GyrosGeier | the best way I could think of would be to blacklist the modules, I believe that can be done on the command line | 15:02 |
jason1234 | too compilcated | 15:03 |
jason1234 | is there a grub2 option to add it to unactivate teh net? | 15:03 |
GyrosGeier | but if it only hangs with dhcp, waiting for the timeout is probably fastest | 15:03 |
GyrosGeier | no | 15:03 |
GyrosGeier | maybe there is a bios option | 15:03 |
jason1234 | sure there is into grub2 a way | 15:03 |
GyrosGeier | or the rfkill switch on the laptop if it exists | 15:03 |
jason1234 | do you know that boot-live does unactivate by default hte net ? | 15:04 |
GyrosGeier | it does not activate it at all -- which is different from your problem where it tries to activate and you need a way to disable that | 15:04 |
jason1234 | hmmm | 15:05 |
GyrosGeier | during boot, there is a program that configures the network | 15:06 |
GyrosGeier | the live CD doesn't have that | 15:06 |
jason1234 | in irdrd.img.gz ? | 15:06 |
jason1234 | initrd.? | 15:06 |
GyrosGeier | no, during normal boot | 15:06 |
GyrosGeier | pretty late | 15:06 |
jason1234 | i heard of no net in kernel option commands, some years ago | 15:07 |
GyrosGeier | have you tried letting it run into a timeout? | 15:08 |
GyrosGeier | because if you can boot once, that solves a lot of problems | 15:08 |
jason1234 | i would prefer to not wait.. directly to talk to kernel | 15:08 |
jason1234 | surely, if it comes in grub2, would be fastst | 15:08 |
jason1234 | fastest | 15:08 |
GyrosGeier | yes, but fixing a system is easier when it is booted | 15:08 |
GyrosGeier | the bootloader has no control over device enumeration | 15:09 |
rrq | jason1234: I think the installer iso(s) have rfkill in their initrd .. and they have both mount and chroot | 15:09 |
fsmithred | jason1234, are you using any gui network manager? | 15:09 |
jason1234 | or maybe to use the inird.img.gz of boot-live ? | 15:09 |
jason1234 | toram | 15:09 |
GyrosGeier | booting a rescue system is also an option | 15:09 |
GyrosGeier | goal 1 is to make the system accessible | 15:10 |
GyrosGeier | goal 2 is to find a solution | 15:10 |
GyrosGeier | any solution that doesn't require the system to be accessible is going to be more complex | 15:11 |
fsmithred | boot installer iso or live iso and the system should be accessible | 15:11 |
fsmithred | what is it we are accessing? | 15:11 |
GyrosGeier | /etc/network/interfaces most likely | 15:11 |
fsmithred | sometimes ctrl-c will break through the hang | 15:12 |
GyrosGeier | for a laptop, it might make sense not to wait for the network during boot, ever | 15:12 |
GyrosGeier | and just use a manager daemon | 15:12 |
nemo | fsmithred: so yeah, FWIW it was all lenovo's fault, looks like | 15:16 |
nemo | fsmithred: as soon as I deleted the junk vars, everything was fine | 15:16 |
jason1234 | yeap, but i would like to fix it right a boot of grub2 | 15:16 |
nemo | https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2021/07/20/1 | 17:34 |
nemo | ugh ugh ugh | 17:34 |
nemo | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27893181 HN discussion | 17:36 |
nemo | 5GB of RAM does make it a little hard to pull off on all but one of my devuan machines at home | 17:37 |
nemo | the systemd thing in discussion I'm curious about | 17:37 |
GyrosGeier | yes | 17:43 |
GyrosGeier | that's basically "if you make pid 1 crash, then the kernel panics | 17:43 |
GyrosGeier | " | 17:43 |
golinux | This is OT for here | 17:44 |
GyrosGeier | indeed, there is nothing special here | 17:44 |
golinux | A better place would be #devaun-offtopic | 17:44 |
golinux | Try #devuan-offtopic. LOL! | 17:45 |
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