fsmithred | I think you can group some of the questions together | 00:04 |
---|---|---|
fsmithred | which desktop environment gets installed is not a totally separate subject from which desktop environment should be set as your default (if you have more than one) | 00:05 |
Hurgotron | rrq: In case you're curious, regarding my earlier question about lesspipe... I didn't realize that 1. it's now part of the less package, and 2. that you need to enable the functionality in .bashrc - issue solved. | 00:07 |
fsmithred | eyalroz, other than lxqt, which desktops got installed? | 00:09 |
fsmithred | cinnamon? xfce? | 00:10 |
fsmithred | aptitude why <package> | 00:10 |
fsmithred | can tell what pulled in <package> | 00:10 |
fsmithred | I just did a fresh netinstall of chimaera. Chose cinnamon and got cinnamon. No lxqt, no xfce. | 01:58 |
darkeye | Hi, | 14:42 |
darkeye | Could you please add gtkgreet or qtgreet | 14:42 |
diegs | , whats up | 14:42 |
diegs | oh | 14:42 |
darkeye | display managers | 14:43 |
darkeye | gtkgreet : https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/gtkgreet | 14:43 |
darkeye | qtgreet https://gitlab.com/marcusbritanicus/QtGreet | 14:43 |
darkeye | dies, hey how's going | 14:43 |
darkeye | *diegs | 14:43 |
diegs | fine fine | 14:43 |
diegs | so what is greetd? let me see | 14:44 |
diegs | oh okay | 14:44 |
diegs | well, ideally this would be packaged for debian instead | 14:44 |
diegs | so it gets merged from upstream darkeye | 14:44 |
diegs | i've never had to package anything in debian | 14:44 |
diegs | so i wouldn't know how | 14:45 |
darkeye | is working with non-systemd | 14:45 |
diegs | yes of course | 14:45 |
diegs | try and look in the debian wiki for instructions on how to package | 14:45 |
diegs | or just build greetd and gtkgreet from source | 14:45 |
diegs | the quick and dirty way | 14:45 |
darkeye | actually i built both of them | 14:46 |
diegs | aha | 14:46 |
darkeye | but they did not show up in /etc/init.d | 14:46 |
diegs | oh | 14:46 |
diegs | then you'll want to make a service file | 14:46 |
darkeye | and how can I make a service file | 14:46 |
fsmithred | look up how to write init scripts | 14:49 |
diegs | that too | 14:50 |
diegs | but you can just look at the other files in /etc/init.d dark | 14:50 |
diegs | darkeye * | 14:50 |
fsmithred | read /etc/init.d/README | 14:50 |
diegs | for examples | 14:50 |
fsmithred | I looked at the git repo for gtkgreet and did not see any init scripts or service files | 14:50 |
fsmithred | I suppose you could probably just start it from /etc/rc.local | 14:51 |
rrq | darkeye: maybe look at "man init-d-script" | 15:20 |
hydrospheric | I have an incredible noob question: can I use debian repos (buster) to install packages such as the latest qgis in devuan (beowulf)? | 18:45 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: I installed a bunch of stuff after logging in; so I would need your help to determine what got instaled using the OS installation itself (it happened a few weeks ago and I only moved to it recently). Also, please let me know whether you prefer that we discuss this here or in the forum | 20:47 |
fsmithred | eyalroz, let's discuss it here for a moment | 20:49 |
fsmithred | I installed cinnamon and got only cinnamon. So tasksel seems to be working correctly. | 20:50 |
fsmithred | anything with 'lx' in the name would be suspect. | 20:50 |
Soltis | What's compat like with a modern XPS laptop? | 20:57 |
eyalroz | well... | 20:58 |
eyalroz | i task-lxqt-desktop Depends lxqt | 20:58 |
eyalroz | so maybe I did also select lxqt | 20:58 |
eyalroz | i task-cinnamon-desktop Depends cinnamon-desktop-environment | 20:58 |
eyalroz | and cinnamon as well | 20:59 |
eyalroz | i task-xfce-desktop Depends xfce4 | 20:59 |
eyalroz | and xfce4 as well... | 20:59 |
eyalroz | but none of that means I chose LXQt as the default. | 20:59 |
eyalroz | (Also, generally, it should not be assumed that the person who performed the installation and the user they performed it for are the same person.) | 21:00 |
fsmithred | maybe you did not un-check xfce | 21:06 |
fsmithred | if task-lxqt-desktop is installed, then it probably was checked. | 21:07 |
fsmithred | in tasksel | 21:07 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: I probably didn't uncheck xfce4. | 21:10 |
eyalroz | and I probably checked lxqt | 21:10 |
fsmithred | what other issues have you run into | 21:11 |
fsmithred | ? | 21:11 |
eyalroz | Already posted issues 3 and 4 on the forum | 21:11 |
eyalroz | (3 is the last one with LXQt...) | 21:11 |
fsmithred | ah, ok. | 21:11 |
fsmithred | #3 - I've never seen the question for choosing default window manager. I'm guessing it comes from debconf. | 21:13 |
fsmithred | quick answer re: rfkill... | 21:15 |
fsmithred | look around in the different desktop settings for autostart applications. See if rfkill is in there. | 21:16 |
fsmithred | it could be removed or maybe it wants the full path: /usr/sbin/rfkill | 21:16 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: I can definitely handle this for myself; I'm only posting issues which I believe require some kind of action on the installation image... | 21:17 |
fsmithred | if you can figure out what caused it, it has a better chance of getting fixed. | 21:18 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: Ah, I see what you mean. | 21:19 |
eyalroz | Let me check. | 21:19 |
fsmithred | I am unable to exactly reproduce what you did. | 21:19 |
fsmithred | some of it may be the way we set up the installer, but some of it may be clashing of different desktops. | 21:19 |
fsmithred | having multiple desktop environments installed used to be a simple matter of installing whichever ones you wanted | 21:20 |
eyalroz | I'll mention I did nothing special during the installation. I mean, ok, I clicked a couple of tasks, but I didn't mess with anything under the hood. | 21:20 |
fsmithred | but that doesn't work so well with all the policykit and logind stuff | 21:20 |
eyalroz | anyway, in the "startup applications" applet, the blueman applet is enabled, but nothing mentioning rfkill | 21:20 |
eyalroz | there's nothing in ~/.config/autostart | 21:21 |
fsmithred | run: | 21:21 |
fsmithred | whereis rfkill | 21:21 |
fsmithred | and tell me where it is | 21:21 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: It's nowhere :-P | 21:21 |
fsmithred | not installed? | 21:21 |
fsmithred | or 'command not found' | 21:21 |
fsmithred | that last message just mean's it's not in your path | 21:22 |
eyalroz | dpkg-query: package 'rfkill' is not installed and no information is available | 21:22 |
eyalroz | ... and command not found. | 21:22 |
fsmithred | weird | 21:23 |
fsmithred | you get that question when you log into the desktop? | 21:24 |
fsmithred | maybe try turning off blueman in startup apps and see if that makes it go away | 21:24 |
fsmithred | in my system, aptitude tells me that rfkill is installed because acpi-support recommends it | 21:25 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: Every time! | 21:26 |
eyalroz | Have turned it off, we'll see what happens next time I log in. | 21:26 |
fsmithred | is it a laptop? | 21:27 |
eyalroz | Desktop. | 21:27 |
eyalroz | See issues 5 and 6... | 21:27 |
fsmithred | see if laptop-mode-tools got installed | 21:27 |
fsmithred | lxqt-powermanager probably controls when the monitor goes to sleep and what the system should do when you press the power button. | 21:29 |
fsmithred | if there's a battery monitor in the taskbar, remove it or disable it | 21:30 |
fsmithred | also check for debian bug reports for these things. Most of the packages involved are not forked. Some issued might already be known. | 21:30 |
fsmithred | some *issues* | 21:31 |
Soltis | Okay let's put this another way - is trying to get Devuan running on an XPS laptop gonna make me hate my life? | 21:31 |
fsmithred | Soltis, if you search the forum for 'dell xps' a few discussions come up. | 21:32 |
fsmithred | I don't recall if anyone pulled hair. | 21:32 |
fsmithred | afk | 21:37 |
Soltis | fsmithred: Yeah I don't see much discussion either way, especially not recently. That doesn't really help though since it's pure absence of info. | 21:42 |
fsmithred | Soltis, this one claims to be a howto: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2330 | 21:52 |
Soltis | fsmithred: Yeah I saw that - but hw has envolved a bit in the past 3 years so I was trying to get _recent_ info assuming any exists. Kinda looking like it doesn't. | 22:09 |
fsmithred | dd if=/dev/sda of=somplace-big-and-safe | 22:10 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: dpkg-query: no packages found matching laptop-mode-tools | 22:13 |
rrq | eyalroz: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=laptop* | 22:15 |
* ShorTie snickers, somplace-big-and-safe | 22:16 | |
fsmithred | eyalroz, do you have consolekit or elogind installed? | 22:16 |
fsmithred | or both? | 22:16 |
eyalroz | rrq: laptop-detect is installed | 22:16 |
eyalroz | and aptitude why says it's because of tasksel-data | 22:16 |
eyalroz | fsmithred: elogind yes, consolekit no | 22:17 |
eyalroz | Soltis: It won't make you hate your life. Because even if something doesn't work, it won't be outrageous that it doesn't. I mean, this is Debian, basically, it's (mostly) the pinnacle of plain vanilla reasonableness. | 22:18 |
Soltis | Okay. Then I'll give it a shot. Just had it arrive in the mail and it took 10 minutes for me to decide I couldn't deal with Ubuntu's shit. | 23:01 |
eyalroz | Soltis: Also, people here on the channel are usually responsive and essentially always helpful. | 23:15 |
eyalroz | (well, I mean knowledgeable people, not me...) | 23:15 |
Soltis | eyalroz: Yeah, this is a pretty decent channel. | 23:15 |
Soltis | First question - is there a Chimaera install image squirreled away somewhere? | 23:21 |
Soltis | Oh, there it is. | 23:21 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!