libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2021-07-22

fsmithredI think you can group some of the questions together00:04
fsmithredwhich desktop environment gets installed is not a totally separate subject from which desktop environment should be set as your default (if you have more than one)00:05
Hurgotronrrq: In case you're curious, regarding my earlier question about lesspipe... I didn't realize that 1. it's now part of the less package, and 2. that you need to enable the functionality in .bashrc - issue solved.00:07
fsmithredeyalroz, other than lxqt, which desktops got installed?00:09
fsmithredcinnamon? xfce?00:10
fsmithredaptitude why <package>00:10
fsmithredcan tell what pulled in <package>00:10
fsmithredI just did a fresh netinstall of chimaera. Chose cinnamon and got cinnamon. No lxqt, no xfce.01:58
darkeyeHi,14:42
darkeyeCould you please add gtkgreet or qtgreet14:42
diegs, whats up14:42
diegsoh14:42
darkeyedisplay managers14:43
darkeyegtkgreet : https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/gtkgreet14:43
darkeyeqtgreet https://gitlab.com/marcusbritanicus/QtGreet14:43
darkeyedies, hey how's going14:43
darkeye*diegs14:43
diegsfine fine14:43
diegsso what is greetd? let me see14:44
diegsoh okay14:44
diegswell, ideally this would be packaged for debian instead14:44
diegsso it gets merged from upstream darkeye14:44
diegsi've never had to package anything in debian14:44
diegsso i wouldn't know how14:45
darkeyeis working with non-systemd14:45
diegsyes of course14:45
diegstry and look in the debian wiki for instructions on how to package14:45
diegsor just build greetd and gtkgreet from source14:45
diegsthe quick and dirty way14:45
darkeyeactually i built both of them14:46
diegsaha14:46
darkeyebut they did not show up in /etc/init.d14:46
diegsoh14:46
diegsthen you'll want to make a service file14:46
darkeyeand how can I make a service file14:46
fsmithredlook up how to write init scripts14:49
diegsthat too14:50
diegsbut you can just look at the other files in /etc/init.d dark14:50
diegsdarkeye *14:50
fsmithredread /etc/init.d/README14:50
diegsfor examples14:50
fsmithredI looked at the git repo for gtkgreet and did not see any init scripts or service files14:50
fsmithredI suppose you could probably just start it from /etc/rc.local14:51
rrqdarkeye: maybe look at "man init-d-script"15:20
hydrosphericI have an incredible noob question: can I use debian repos (buster) to install packages such as the latest qgis in devuan (beowulf)?18:45
eyalrozfsmithred: I installed a bunch of stuff after logging in; so I would need your help to determine what got instaled using the OS installation itself (it happened a few weeks ago and I only moved to it recently). Also, please let me know whether you prefer that we discuss this here or in the forum20:47
fsmithredeyalroz, let's discuss it here for a moment20:49
fsmithredI installed cinnamon and got only cinnamon. So tasksel seems to be working correctly.20:50
fsmithredanything with 'lx' in the name would be suspect.20:50
SoltisWhat's compat like with a modern XPS laptop?20:57
eyalrozwell...20:58
eyalrozi   task-lxqt-desktop Depends lxqt20:58
eyalrozso maybe I did also select lxqt20:58
eyalrozi   task-cinnamon-desktop Depends cinnamon-desktop-environment20:58
eyalrozand cinnamon as well20:59
eyalrozi   task-xfce-desktop Depends xfce420:59
eyalrozand xfce4 as well...20:59
eyalrozbut none of that means I chose LXQt as the default.20:59
eyalroz(Also, generally, it should not be assumed that the person who performed the installation and the user they performed it for are the same person.)21:00
fsmithredmaybe you did not un-check xfce21:06
fsmithredif task-lxqt-desktop is installed, then it probably was checked.21:07
fsmithredin tasksel21:07
eyalrozfsmithred: I probably didn't uncheck xfce4.21:10
eyalrozand I probably checked lxqt21:10
fsmithredwhat other issues have you run into21:11
fsmithred?21:11
eyalrozAlready posted issues 3 and 4 on the forum21:11
eyalroz(3 is the last one with LXQt...)21:11
fsmithredah, ok.21:11
fsmithred #3 - I've never seen the question for choosing default window manager. I'm guessing it comes from debconf.21:13
fsmithredquick answer re: rfkill...21:15
fsmithredlook around in the different desktop settings for autostart applications. See if rfkill is in there.21:16
fsmithredit could be removed or maybe it wants the full path: /usr/sbin/rfkill21:16
eyalrozfsmithred: I can definitely handle this for myself; I'm only posting issues which I believe require some kind of action on the installation image...21:17
fsmithredif you can figure out what caused it, it has a better chance of getting fixed.21:18
eyalrozfsmithred: Ah, I see what you mean.21:19
eyalrozLet me check.21:19
fsmithredI am unable to exactly reproduce what you did.21:19
fsmithredsome of it may be the way we set up the installer, but some of it may be clashing of different desktops.21:19
fsmithredhaving multiple desktop environments installed used to be a simple matter of installing whichever ones you wanted21:20
eyalrozI'll mention I did nothing special during the installation. I mean, ok, I clicked a couple of tasks, but I didn't mess with anything under the hood.21:20
fsmithredbut that doesn't work so well with all the policykit and logind stuff21:20
eyalrozanyway, in the "startup applications" applet, the blueman applet is enabled, but nothing mentioning rfkill21:20
eyalrozthere's nothing in ~/.config/autostart21:21
fsmithredrun:21:21
fsmithredwhereis rfkill21:21
fsmithredand tell me where it is21:21
eyalrozfsmithred: It's nowhere :-P21:21
fsmithrednot installed?21:21
fsmithredor 'command not found'21:21
fsmithredthat last message just mean's it's not in your path21:22
eyalrozdpkg-query: package 'rfkill' is not installed and no information is available21:22
eyalroz... and command not found.21:22
fsmithredweird21:23
fsmithredyou get that question when you log into the desktop?21:24
fsmithredmaybe try turning off blueman in startup apps and see if that makes it go away21:24
fsmithredin my system, aptitude tells me that rfkill is installed because acpi-support recommends it21:25
eyalrozfsmithred: Every time!21:26
eyalrozHave turned it off, we'll see what happens next time I log in.21:26
fsmithredis it a laptop?21:27
eyalrozDesktop.21:27
eyalrozSee issues 5 and 6...21:27
fsmithredsee if laptop-mode-tools got installed21:27
fsmithredlxqt-powermanager probably controls when the monitor goes to sleep and what the system should do when you press the power button.21:29
fsmithredif there's a battery monitor in the taskbar, remove it or disable it21:30
fsmithredalso check for debian bug reports for these things. Most of the packages involved are not forked. Some issued might already be known.21:30
fsmithredsome *issues*21:31
SoltisOkay let's put this another way - is trying to get Devuan running on an XPS laptop gonna make me hate my life?21:31
fsmithredSoltis, if you search the forum for 'dell xps' a few discussions come up.21:32
fsmithredI don't recall if anyone pulled hair.21:32
fsmithredafk21:37
Soltisfsmithred: Yeah I don't see much discussion either way, especially not recently. That doesn't really help though since it's pure absence of info.21:42
fsmithredSoltis, this one claims to be a howto: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=233021:52
Soltisfsmithred: Yeah I saw that - but hw has envolved a bit in the past 3 years so I was trying to get _recent_ info assuming any exists. Kinda looking like it doesn't.22:09
fsmithreddd if=/dev/sda of=somplace-big-and-safe22:10
eyalrozfsmithred: dpkg-query: no packages found matching laptop-mode-tools22:13
rrqeyalroz: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=laptop*22:15
* ShorTie snickers, somplace-big-and-safe22:16
fsmithredeyalroz, do you have consolekit or elogind installed?22:16
fsmithredor both?22:16
eyalrozrrq: laptop-detect is installed22:16
eyalrozand aptitude why says it's because of tasksel-data22:16
eyalrozfsmithred: elogind yes, consolekit no22:17
eyalrozSoltis: It won't make you hate your life. Because even if something doesn't work, it won't be outrageous that it doesn't. I mean, this is Debian, basically, it's (mostly) the pinnacle of plain vanilla reasonableness.22:18
SoltisOkay. Then I'll give it a shot. Just had it arrive in the mail and it took 10 minutes for me to decide I couldn't deal with Ubuntu's shit.23:01
eyalrozSoltis: Also, people here on the channel are usually responsive and essentially always helpful.23:15
eyalroz(well, I mean knowledgeable people, not me...)23:15
Soltiseyalroz: Yeah, this is a pretty decent channel.23:15
SoltisFirst question - is there a Chimaera install image squirreled away somewhere?23:21
SoltisOh, there it is.23:21

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