libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2021-09-07

Tenkawaseerecursion[m]: these are all built without systemd components right?00:06
onefangseerecursion[m]: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt would be the place to start, then get back to me.00:06
onefangAlso, not sure what "MPR" means in this case.  Too many things those letters stand for.  lol00:07
Tenkawaonefang: makedeb package repository00:07
TenkawaThe makedeb Package Repository (MPR)00:08
onefangI'm still waking up.00:09
Tenkawaonefang: I'm never awake00:10
Tenkawaheheh00:10
Xenguy"Neo: You ever have that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"00:30
Xenguy"Choi: All the time. It's called mescaline, it's the only way to fly."00:30
Tenkawahaahaa this Matrix moment brough to you  by...00:32
Tenkawalol00:32
Tenkawaer brought00:32
Tenkawarewatched all those 2 weeks or so agp00:33
Tenkawaer ago00:33
XenguyDefinitely rewatchable00:40
seerecursion[m]<Tenkawa> "seerecursion: these are all..." <- Unfortunately no... But never mind, I just spoke to the admin of the repo and just said he only officially supports Ubuntu, so please disregard what I said :(01:02
Tenkawabummer... It was a neat repo too01:12
onefangAh makedeb creates Debian packages from Arch packages.  Not a standard Devuan package repo as I thought.01:44
onefangI look after the standard Devuan package mirrors.01:46
Tenkawaonefang: I'm all arm... I can't remember.. have we met in any of the meetings?01:48
Tenkawamy memory is gone01:49
onefangI haven't been to the weekly Devuan video meetings for most of this year.01:50
Tenkawasame... I think I was at 1 this year01:50
Tenkawaafk.. bbiab01:51
_ds_Anybody using runit? Considering switching from sysvinit…01:53
_ds_I see that snapd's missing from Devuan. Not that I'm particularly interested in installing it (except perhaps out of necessity), but why's it missing? Unresolved hard dep on systemd?04:18
Jjp137yes actually04:19
golinuxOn the banned package list: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt04:20
* _ds_ notes that URL for future reference04:23
golinux:)04:25
* _ds_ mutters something about “one init system to assimilate them all”04:32
blockheadremember the first Tron movie?  Master Control Program absorbing the functions of the other programs?  It's like they *knew* decades ahead of time.04:37
fluffywolf...  do you have any idea how long it's been since I saw the first tron movie?  the only thing I remember is glow in the dark paint and blacklights.  :P04:37
_ds_And, presumably, lots of light-cycle games.04:38
blockheadyou know what you need to do ;)04:39
onefangYou need to take it to #devuan-offtopic.  B-)04:53
* blockhead sorries04:56
_ds_# aptitude install gltron05:18
Hydragyrumanyone had success using cryptsetup-reencrypt to start using encrypted root? Having some trouble doing it in a testing VM (because I'd have to be insane to try it on my actual install without testing first)06:59
Hydragyrumactually nvm on that I need to go to sleep, if someone wants to msg me comments feel free but I think I need to put this off until tomorrow07:00
seerecursion[m]<_ds_> "I see that snapd's missing..." <- If you find you need something like snaps, look at appimage. It's got all the good things of snaps and flatpak without the bloat, IMHO11:45
HumanG33khello can someone explain me what is a separated /usr ?13:54
gouri've moved my mail setup to neomutt/mbsync (still considering getmail to allow me filtering with bogofilter/clamd)...on debian i was using --user systemd-service to launch mbysnyc periodically, so i bet that just using cron job is the best option for the task?13:55
XenguyHumanG33k, Does this help?  https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge13:57
HumanG33kXenguy: yes it help, so why it's bad ? and should it keep separated ?14:05
HumanG33ki do not know if klaus is here14:05
XenguyHumanG33k, It's a good question, and there may be others that can offer a better explanation for that14:09
HumanG33ki just see the issue open by Klaus thats for why i m asking14:16
debdoginterestingly the FAQ does not explain the reason/benefit for/of usr-merge https://salsa.debian.org/md/usrmerge/raw/master/debian/README.Debian15:50
Tenkawadebdog: * What are the benefits of everything-in-usr? Please consult the web pages listed in the "Other documentation" section of this file.15:57
TenkawaOther documentation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html15:57
Tenkawaactually15:58
blockheadI've got that wacky graphics situation where there is an intel graphics card and an nvidia graphics card.  The intel graphics run fien, and run cooler.  What is the easiest way to make sure the nvidia graphics are turned off so the machine runs cooler?  I've been googling and getting odd results: things like older debian wiki pages that mention programs that are not found by an apt-get install.17:32
blockheadfine*17:33
blockheadrunning /me is currently running chimaera17:34
djphblockhead: simplest answer -> don't install nVidia's driver17:35
golinuxblockhead: An .asoundrc file can set the preference for which card to use.17:36
golinuxWhy not just pop it out if it's an issue?  (Maybe I'm missing something . . .)17:37
djphgolinux: laptop with a soldered in nvidia coprocessor (er ... co-gpu?)17:37
golinuxDuh . . .  Just waking up.  I was confusing sound with graphics.17:39
buZzdjph: maybe 'nForce' , remember that? :D17:39
golinuxI'll go stand in a corner now.   :D17:39
djphbuZz: haha, those were awesome northbridges17:40
djphgolinux: lol :)17:40
buZzblockhead: there's a tool called 'bumblebee' for switching intel vs nvidia17:40
buZziirc17:40
buZzi never owned such device17:40
buZzbumblebee/stable 3.2.1-20 amd6417:40
buZz  NVIDIA Optimus support for Linux17:40
golinuxI have 2 audio processors - board and cpu and had quite a time sorting it.17:40
buZzi think thats the one17:40
djph^ yep that.  But in my experience, gotta have nVidia's driver installed before the system can even try offloading to it.17:40
buZzyes, it will NOT work with nouveau17:40
djphso, no nvidia driver = no nVidia card doing anything in optimus / primus / whatever it's called nowadays17:41
buZzalso, high odds that the nvidia gpu will use -less- power with official nvidia driver17:41
blockhead@golinux: it's a laptop, all the hardware is crammed together like on a single board17:46
blockheadbefore devuan, the fans ran slower and at times would even stop.  not now.  been messing with CPU scaling for a few days; i'm beginngi to think it's the two graphics cards, but everything seems to have changed since I last dealt with that17:50
golinuxSame problem though . . .17:50
buZzblockhead: did you hear what i was saying? :P17:52
buZzif you arent reading responses, it doesnt make sense to ask more17:52
Tenkawablockhead: have you tried turning it off with the /sys controls?17:52
blockheadTenkawa: i tried but they aren't there any more?  Evey thign I read says look in a particular path off of /proc and that proc isn't there17:53
buZzTenkawa: you only get those when you run the nvidia driver17:53
Tenkawaoh is he running nouveau?17:53
Tenkawawhy?17:53
buZzi assume so, there's no response to 'nvidia driver' before :P17:53
Tenkawaah17:54
buZz17:40:59 < buZz> yes, it will NOT work with nouveau17:54
buZzTenkawa: i assume assumption that it would install the proper one magically17:55
Tenkawayeah I saw that17:55
* buZz blames windows' automagic driver installation17:55
Tenkawabut I didn't see any dialog about which driver he was using17:55
Tenkawaa lsmod would easily show that17:55
Tenkawaits either going to list nvidia or nouveau17:56
buZzlsmod | grep ^n17:56
buZz:)17:56
blockhead"please post your lsmod" - now that part I can understand ... 1 sec17:56
bsd4mejust wanted to mention that I did a reinstall of chimeara to different hdd partition yesterday and upgraded daedalus this morning. So far, running great! Thank you devs. Great job :)17:59
buZzdaedalus is a crypto wallet?17:59
buZzthey broke running on older linux versions? :)18:00
golinuxDaedalus is will be Devuan 618:00
buZzahhh18:00
buZzupgraded -to- daedalus18:01
golinuxComes after Chimaera18:01
bsd4mebuZz: yes :)  sorry, I wrote it wrong.18:01
buZznp man :)18:01
buZzor woman18:01
buZzw/e18:01
buZznp person!18:01
buZz:D18:01
bsd4me:D18:01
blockheadhttps://pastebin.com/ivxyfANA18:02
* bsd4me is a man18:02
* blockhead is also a man18:02
bsd4me:)18:02
* blockhead isn't all PC: follows the warner brothers convention: evetything is a man unless it has a bow on it :D18:02
buZzblockhead: line 5718:03
* bsd4me got system upgraded and now time to get some breakfast!18:03
buZzyou're running the opensource nvidia driver, its a lot 'minor' in support18:03
blockheadwhat, the novoue?18:03
buZzyes18:03
buZzblockhead: maybe follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers18:03
buZz99% sure its what you want , 100% sure you will -need- it for optimus/bumblebee to work (to switch gpus between the two)18:04
buZzlol 'bookworm' , there must be better named toystory characters18:06
buZzWHERE IS SPOONY, DEBIAN?18:06
buZz:D18:06
blockheadi guess the conceptual block I've been having is the need to install nvidia drivers just to turn the nvidia card off and not use it :p18:07
buZzblockhead: hehe, you can maybe see it like this ; that gpu has a special switch and nouveau doesnt know how to toggle it because nvidia never told them18:07
buZzalso fan control will probably happen through that nvidia driver18:07
blockheadwow, when one sets the CPU to powersave, things go real slow18:18
buZzhehe18:18
buZza lot slower yeah18:18
blockheadpowerave in devuan apparently means "run at lowerst possible Hz no matter what", in the previous distro it meant, ramp the fans up slowly, after runnign a few seconds at high load18:18
buZzpower takes power :)18:18
blockheads/powerave/powersave/18:19
buZzblockhead: you might want the 'ondemand' scheduler for that18:19
buZzsome info here ; https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt18:19
buZzThe CPUfreq governor "powersave" sets the CPU statically to the18:19
buZzlowest frequency within the borders of scaling_min_freq and18:19
buZzscaling_max_freq.18:19
blockheadthat's what so weird, what each governor means is different between distros!18:19
buZzblockhead: nope18:20
buZzbut distros can override what you configured18:20
buZzthis is what the -kernel- says they are18:20
blockheadyou go argue with my CPU :p  don't involve me18:20
buZzok, send it over18:20
buZz:D18:20
blockheadlol18:20
buZzfor 100eu/hr i'll configure it for you18:20
blockheadoh wow, errors at the very end. I FEEL SO GENTOO NOW!18:24
blockheadoh, just while making the init ram fs.  pfft whatever.  Rebooting.18:25
blockheadty for advice18:25
* buZz hopes it works18:29
buZz:)18:30
jushurthe user left before your last two lines buZz18:31
buZzi know18:31
buZzi still hope it works18:31
jushur+118:31
buZz:)18:31
Hydragyrumanyone had success using cryptsetup-reencrypt to start using encrypted root? Having some trouble doing it in a testing VM (because I'd have to be insane to try it on my actual install without testing first)19:35
Hydragyrumspecifically, grub's being a pain19:35
Hydragyrumand I haven't found anything googling around that gets it to work (besides using a separate /boot, and I'd need to move my root partition for that)19:37
hagbardI don't know about cryptsetup-reencrypt, i simply set it up manually.19:52
Hydragyrumyeah, I *could* back up my entire system, config tree, and installed package list, then reinstall, but it'd be a real pain19:53
hagbardthat might be overkill, althoug a backup is always a good idea.19:53
hagbardboot normally, set configure cryptab and grub config, boot with a stick or something and encrypt, then reboot to encrypted root19:56
hagbardor if you have a backup anyway, do luksFormat, and copy the data back.19:59
HydragyrumI've configured grub and crypttab the way things say (in my testing vm), and everything goes fine until it boots to grub rescue20:00
Hydragyrumeven when I switched to LUKS version 1 because one thing said grub doesn't support LUKS220:01
hagbarddoesnt it prompt for a passphrase? You have GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y in grub config, and did update-grub?20:02
Hydragyrumyeah, done both of those20:07
Hydragyrumit dies to rescue prompt saying it can't find the UUID of the encrypted filesystem20:08
hagbardHmm, then perhaps the UUID of the old unencrypted partition is still configured where the new uuid should be. Sorry, i ran out of helpful ideas, for me it worked just 'like that'™20:24
HydragyrumI checked that, everything seemed like it was how it should be20:26
blockheadso i've put in the nvidia drivers. i've gone through https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers a few times and still have some confusion.  If x is command to turn nvdia grphics off, what is x?20:29
HydragyrumI think there's an `xrandr` command that does that20:30
buZzblockhead: there's a -tool- to switch between GPUs on such laptops20:34
buZzblockhead: its called 'bumblebee'20:34
buZzafaik that -should- turn off the gpu fully, stop it using power20:35
blockheadwell, i've got a /proc/acpi/bbswitch now.  If I cat it, it says ON.  I remmeber thi part fro ears ago in LFS.  I tried (as root) echo OFF > /proc/acpi/bbswitch because that's how I used to do it back then.  This time, when I cat'd it ... still on. Sigh.  So close.  :(20:45
* blockhead tries a reboot, a last-ditch solution20:46
blockheadok, reboot did it.  Yay!  Thank you very much.  :)21:07

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