Tenkawa | seerecursion[m]: these are all built without systemd components right? | 00:06 |
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onefang | seerecursion[m]: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt would be the place to start, then get back to me. | 00:06 |
onefang | Also, not sure what "MPR" means in this case. Too many things those letters stand for. lol | 00:07 |
Tenkawa | onefang: makedeb package repository | 00:07 |
Tenkawa | The makedeb Package Repository (MPR) | 00:08 |
onefang | I'm still waking up. | 00:09 |
Tenkawa | onefang: I'm never awake | 00:10 |
Tenkawa | heheh | 00:10 |
Xenguy | "Neo: You ever have that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?" | 00:30 |
Xenguy | "Choi: All the time. It's called mescaline, it's the only way to fly." | 00:30 |
Tenkawa | haahaa this Matrix moment brough to you by... | 00:32 |
Tenkawa | lol | 00:32 |
Tenkawa | er brought | 00:32 |
Tenkawa | rewatched all those 2 weeks or so agp | 00:33 |
Tenkawa | er ago | 00:33 |
Xenguy | Definitely rewatchable | 00:40 |
seerecursion[m] | <Tenkawa> "seerecursion: these are all..." <- Unfortunately no... But never mind, I just spoke to the admin of the repo and just said he only officially supports Ubuntu, so please disregard what I said :( | 01:02 |
Tenkawa | bummer... It was a neat repo too | 01:12 |
onefang | Ah makedeb creates Debian packages from Arch packages. Not a standard Devuan package repo as I thought. | 01:44 |
onefang | I look after the standard Devuan package mirrors. | 01:46 |
Tenkawa | onefang: I'm all arm... I can't remember.. have we met in any of the meetings? | 01:48 |
Tenkawa | my memory is gone | 01:49 |
onefang | I haven't been to the weekly Devuan video meetings for most of this year. | 01:50 |
Tenkawa | same... I think I was at 1 this year | 01:50 |
Tenkawa | afk.. bbiab | 01:51 |
_ds_ | Anybody using runit? Considering switching from sysvinit… | 01:53 |
_ds_ | I see that snapd's missing from Devuan. Not that I'm particularly interested in installing it (except perhaps out of necessity), but why's it missing? Unresolved hard dep on systemd? | 04:18 |
Jjp137 | yes actually | 04:19 |
golinux | On the banned package list: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 04:20 |
* _ds_ notes that URL for future reference | 04:23 | |
golinux | :) | 04:25 |
* _ds_ mutters something about “one init system to assimilate them all” | 04:32 | |
blockhead | remember the first Tron movie? Master Control Program absorbing the functions of the other programs? It's like they *knew* decades ahead of time. | 04:37 |
fluffywolf | ... do you have any idea how long it's been since I saw the first tron movie? the only thing I remember is glow in the dark paint and blacklights. :P | 04:37 |
_ds_ | And, presumably, lots of light-cycle games. | 04:38 |
blockhead | you know what you need to do ;) | 04:39 |
onefang | You need to take it to #devuan-offtopic. B-) | 04:53 |
* blockhead sorries | 04:56 | |
_ds_ | # aptitude install gltron | 05:18 |
Hydragyrum | anyone had success using cryptsetup-reencrypt to start using encrypted root? Having some trouble doing it in a testing VM (because I'd have to be insane to try it on my actual install without testing first) | 06:59 |
Hydragyrum | actually nvm on that I need to go to sleep, if someone wants to msg me comments feel free but I think I need to put this off until tomorrow | 07:00 |
seerecursion[m] | <_ds_> "I see that snapd's missing..." <- If you find you need something like snaps, look at appimage. It's got all the good things of snaps and flatpak without the bloat, IMHO | 11:45 |
HumanG33k | hello can someone explain me what is a separated /usr ? | 13:54 |
gour | i've moved my mail setup to neomutt/mbsync (still considering getmail to allow me filtering with bogofilter/clamd)...on debian i was using --user systemd-service to launch mbysnyc periodically, so i bet that just using cron job is the best option for the task? | 13:55 |
Xenguy | HumanG33k, Does this help? https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge | 13:57 |
HumanG33k | Xenguy: yes it help, so why it's bad ? and should it keep separated ? | 14:05 |
HumanG33k | i do not know if klaus is here | 14:05 |
Xenguy | HumanG33k, It's a good question, and there may be others that can offer a better explanation for that | 14:09 |
HumanG33k | i just see the issue open by Klaus thats for why i m asking | 14:16 |
debdog | interestingly the FAQ does not explain the reason/benefit for/of usr-merge https://salsa.debian.org/md/usrmerge/raw/master/debian/README.Debian | 15:50 |
Tenkawa | debdog: * What are the benefits of everything-in-usr? Please consult the web pages listed in the "Other documentation" section of this file. | 15:57 |
Tenkawa | Other documentation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html | 15:57 |
Tenkawa | actually | 15:58 |
blockhead | I've got that wacky graphics situation where there is an intel graphics card and an nvidia graphics card. The intel graphics run fien, and run cooler. What is the easiest way to make sure the nvidia graphics are turned off so the machine runs cooler? I've been googling and getting odd results: things like older debian wiki pages that mention programs that are not found by an apt-get install. | 17:32 |
blockhead | fine* | 17:33 |
blockhead | running /me is currently running chimaera | 17:34 |
djph | blockhead: simplest answer -> don't install nVidia's driver | 17:35 |
golinux | blockhead: An .asoundrc file can set the preference for which card to use. | 17:36 |
golinux | Why not just pop it out if it's an issue? (Maybe I'm missing something . . .) | 17:37 |
djph | golinux: laptop with a soldered in nvidia coprocessor (er ... co-gpu?) | 17:37 |
golinux | Duh . . . Just waking up. I was confusing sound with graphics. | 17:39 |
buZz | djph: maybe 'nForce' , remember that? :D | 17:39 |
golinux | I'll go stand in a corner now. :D | 17:39 |
djph | buZz: haha, those were awesome northbridges | 17:40 |
djph | golinux: lol :) | 17:40 |
buZz | blockhead: there's a tool called 'bumblebee' for switching intel vs nvidia | 17:40 |
buZz | iirc | 17:40 |
buZz | i never owned such device | 17:40 |
buZz | bumblebee/stable 3.2.1-20 amd64 | 17:40 |
buZz | NVIDIA Optimus support for Linux | 17:40 |
golinux | I have 2 audio processors - board and cpu and had quite a time sorting it. | 17:40 |
buZz | i think thats the one | 17:40 |
djph | ^ yep that. But in my experience, gotta have nVidia's driver installed before the system can even try offloading to it. | 17:40 |
buZz | yes, it will NOT work with nouveau | 17:40 |
djph | so, no nvidia driver = no nVidia card doing anything in optimus / primus / whatever it's called nowadays | 17:41 |
buZz | also, high odds that the nvidia gpu will use -less- power with official nvidia driver | 17:41 |
blockhead | @golinux: it's a laptop, all the hardware is crammed together like on a single board | 17:46 |
blockhead | before devuan, the fans ran slower and at times would even stop. not now. been messing with CPU scaling for a few days; i'm beginngi to think it's the two graphics cards, but everything seems to have changed since I last dealt with that | 17:50 |
golinux | Same problem though . . . | 17:50 |
buZz | blockhead: did you hear what i was saying? :P | 17:52 |
buZz | if you arent reading responses, it doesnt make sense to ask more | 17:52 |
Tenkawa | blockhead: have you tried turning it off with the /sys controls? | 17:52 |
blockhead | Tenkawa: i tried but they aren't there any more? Evey thign I read says look in a particular path off of /proc and that proc isn't there | 17:53 |
buZz | Tenkawa: you only get those when you run the nvidia driver | 17:53 |
Tenkawa | oh is he running nouveau? | 17:53 |
Tenkawa | why? | 17:53 |
buZz | i assume so, there's no response to 'nvidia driver' before :P | 17:53 |
Tenkawa | ah | 17:54 |
buZz | 17:40:59 < buZz> yes, it will NOT work with nouveau | 17:54 |
buZz | Tenkawa: i assume assumption that it would install the proper one magically | 17:55 |
Tenkawa | yeah I saw that | 17:55 |
* buZz blames windows' automagic driver installation | 17:55 | |
Tenkawa | but I didn't see any dialog about which driver he was using | 17:55 |
Tenkawa | a lsmod would easily show that | 17:55 |
Tenkawa | its either going to list nvidia or nouveau | 17:56 |
buZz | lsmod | grep ^n | 17:56 |
buZz | :) | 17:56 |
blockhead | "please post your lsmod" - now that part I can understand ... 1 sec | 17:56 |
bsd4me | just wanted to mention that I did a reinstall of chimeara to different hdd partition yesterday and upgraded daedalus this morning. So far, running great! Thank you devs. Great job :) | 17:59 |
buZz | daedalus is a crypto wallet? | 17:59 |
buZz | they broke running on older linux versions? :) | 18:00 |
golinux | Daedalus is will be Devuan 6 | 18:00 |
buZz | ahhh | 18:00 |
buZz | upgraded -to- daedalus | 18:01 |
golinux | Comes after Chimaera | 18:01 |
bsd4me | buZz: yes :) sorry, I wrote it wrong. | 18:01 |
buZz | np man :) | 18:01 |
buZz | or woman | 18:01 |
buZz | w/e | 18:01 |
buZz | np person! | 18:01 |
buZz | :D | 18:01 |
bsd4me | :D | 18:01 |
blockhead | https://pastebin.com/ivxyfANA | 18:02 |
* bsd4me is a man | 18:02 | |
* blockhead is also a man | 18:02 | |
bsd4me | :) | 18:02 |
* blockhead isn't all PC: follows the warner brothers convention: evetything is a man unless it has a bow on it :D | 18:02 | |
buZz | blockhead: line 57 | 18:03 |
* bsd4me got system upgraded and now time to get some breakfast! | 18:03 | |
buZz | you're running the opensource nvidia driver, its a lot 'minor' in support | 18:03 |
blockhead | what, the novoue? | 18:03 |
buZz | yes | 18:03 |
buZz | blockhead: maybe follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers | 18:03 |
buZz | 99% sure its what you want , 100% sure you will -need- it for optimus/bumblebee to work (to switch gpus between the two) | 18:04 |
buZz | lol 'bookworm' , there must be better named toystory characters | 18:06 |
buZz | WHERE IS SPOONY, DEBIAN? | 18:06 |
buZz | :D | 18:06 |
blockhead | i guess the conceptual block I've been having is the need to install nvidia drivers just to turn the nvidia card off and not use it :p | 18:07 |
buZz | blockhead: hehe, you can maybe see it like this ; that gpu has a special switch and nouveau doesnt know how to toggle it because nvidia never told them | 18:07 |
buZz | also fan control will probably happen through that nvidia driver | 18:07 |
blockhead | wow, when one sets the CPU to powersave, things go real slow | 18:18 |
buZz | hehe | 18:18 |
buZz | a lot slower yeah | 18:18 |
blockhead | powerave in devuan apparently means "run at lowerst possible Hz no matter what", in the previous distro it meant, ramp the fans up slowly, after runnign a few seconds at high load | 18:18 |
buZz | power takes power :) | 18:18 |
blockhead | s/powerave/powersave/ | 18:19 |
buZz | blockhead: you might want the 'ondemand' scheduler for that | 18:19 |
buZz | some info here ; https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt | 18:19 |
buZz | The CPUfreq governor "powersave" sets the CPU statically to the | 18:19 |
buZz | lowest frequency within the borders of scaling_min_freq and | 18:19 |
buZz | scaling_max_freq. | 18:19 |
blockhead | that's what so weird, what each governor means is different between distros! | 18:19 |
buZz | blockhead: nope | 18:20 |
buZz | but distros can override what you configured | 18:20 |
buZz | this is what the -kernel- says they are | 18:20 |
blockhead | you go argue with my CPU :p don't involve me | 18:20 |
buZz | ok, send it over | 18:20 |
buZz | :D | 18:20 |
blockhead | lol | 18:20 |
buZz | for 100eu/hr i'll configure it for you | 18:20 |
blockhead | oh wow, errors at the very end. I FEEL SO GENTOO NOW! | 18:24 |
blockhead | oh, just while making the init ram fs. pfft whatever. Rebooting. | 18:25 |
blockhead | ty for advice | 18:25 |
* buZz hopes it works | 18:29 | |
buZz | :) | 18:30 |
jushur | the user left before your last two lines buZz | 18:31 |
buZz | i know | 18:31 |
buZz | i still hope it works | 18:31 |
jushur | +1 | 18:31 |
buZz | :) | 18:31 |
Hydragyrum | anyone had success using cryptsetup-reencrypt to start using encrypted root? Having some trouble doing it in a testing VM (because I'd have to be insane to try it on my actual install without testing first) | 19:35 |
Hydragyrum | specifically, grub's being a pain | 19:35 |
Hydragyrum | and I haven't found anything googling around that gets it to work (besides using a separate /boot, and I'd need to move my root partition for that) | 19:37 |
hagbard | I don't know about cryptsetup-reencrypt, i simply set it up manually. | 19:52 |
Hydragyrum | yeah, I *could* back up my entire system, config tree, and installed package list, then reinstall, but it'd be a real pain | 19:53 |
hagbard | that might be overkill, althoug a backup is always a good idea. | 19:53 |
hagbard | boot normally, set configure cryptab and grub config, boot with a stick or something and encrypt, then reboot to encrypted root | 19:56 |
hagbard | or if you have a backup anyway, do luksFormat, and copy the data back. | 19:59 |
Hydragyrum | I've configured grub and crypttab the way things say (in my testing vm), and everything goes fine until it boots to grub rescue | 20:00 |
Hydragyrum | even when I switched to LUKS version 1 because one thing said grub doesn't support LUKS2 | 20:01 |
hagbard | doesnt it prompt for a passphrase? You have GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y in grub config, and did update-grub? | 20:02 |
Hydragyrum | yeah, done both of those | 20:07 |
Hydragyrum | it dies to rescue prompt saying it can't find the UUID of the encrypted filesystem | 20:08 |
hagbard | Hmm, then perhaps the UUID of the old unencrypted partition is still configured where the new uuid should be. Sorry, i ran out of helpful ideas, for me it worked just 'like that'™ | 20:24 |
Hydragyrum | I checked that, everything seemed like it was how it should be | 20:26 |
blockhead | so i've put in the nvidia drivers. i've gone through https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers a few times and still have some confusion. If x is command to turn nvdia grphics off, what is x? | 20:29 |
Hydragyrum | I think there's an `xrandr` command that does that | 20:30 |
buZz | blockhead: there's a -tool- to switch between GPUs on such laptops | 20:34 |
buZz | blockhead: its called 'bumblebee' | 20:34 |
buZz | afaik that -should- turn off the gpu fully, stop it using power | 20:35 |
blockhead | well, i've got a /proc/acpi/bbswitch now. If I cat it, it says ON. I remmeber thi part fro ears ago in LFS. I tried (as root) echo OFF > /proc/acpi/bbswitch because that's how I used to do it back then. This time, when I cat'd it ... still on. Sigh. So close. :( | 20:45 |
* blockhead tries a reboot, a last-ditch solution | 20:46 | |
blockhead | ok, reboot did it. Yay! Thank you very much. :) | 21:07 |
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