| systemdlete | fsmithred: "grub-pc is not installed but you booted in bios mode" -- This message comes up immediately upon invoking the refracta installer. What does this mean, since I have not begun installing anything yet. (uh-oh, do I need to read some doc somewhere...?) | 05:17 |
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| systemdlete | oh. | 05:17 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure there's a help button | 05:17 |
| systemdlete | for VM installs, use text installer | 05:17 |
| fsmithred | grub-pc should be in / | 05:17 |
| fsmithred | the deb package | 05:18 |
| fsmithred | 1. Help | 05:18 |
| fsmithred | anyway, the instsaller is smart enough to install the package if it's there | 05:18 |
| systemdlete | so, do I need to use text installer as per your readme? | 05:18 |
| fsmithred | it'll ask you anyway. Say yes, copy files and install bootloader | 05:18 |
| fsmithred | no, not if you have a desktop | 05:19 |
| fsmithred | only use text installer if the graphical doesn['t work because gtk3 went crazy | 05:19 |
| fsmithred | that hasn't been an issue lately | 05:19 |
| fsmithred | but if you keep geting off-screen buttons, bail and use text installer | 05:20 |
| systemdlete | what does it mean "if you are using yad version such-and-such" -- this is an ISO image. I don't normally roll my own. Are these hints and messages more for folks who build their own refracta ISOs? | 05:20 |
| systemdlete | ok, thanks for that clue. Apperciate it | 05:21 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 05:21 |
| fsmithred | another clue | 05:21 |
| systemdlete | ok | 05:21 |
| fsmithred | you said "I haven't begun installing anything yet" | 05:21 |
| fsmithred | you don't actually install anything because it's already installed. | 05:21 |
| systemdlete | Right. All I did was click on the installer from the menu | 05:21 |
| fsmithred | the installer just copies it to the hard drive | 05:21 |
| fsmithred | make sense? | 05:22 |
| systemdlete | so, no chance to do custom partitioning, other stuff, like lvm? | 05:22 |
| fsmithred | no lvm | 05:22 |
| systemdlete | ok | 05:22 |
| fsmithred | you can have separate home and boot partitions | 05:22 |
| fsmithred | you can encrypt any or all of those | 05:22 |
| fsmithred | well, not boot | 05:22 |
| systemdlete | ok | 05:23 |
| fsmithred | but if /boot is part of the root partition... | 05:23 |
| fsmithred | and you encrypt the root partition, then /boot will be encrypted | 05:23 |
| fsmithred | and the installer knows how to do that correctly | 05:23 |
| systemdlete | will there be an ISO image that is more like the refracta beowulf version? Or does that defeat the goal of refracta? | 05:23 |
| fsmithred | it is possible to do lvm manually and use the text installer | 05:24 |
| systemdlete | oh. | 05:24 |
| fsmithred | I'll get a link for that | 05:24 |
| systemdlete | I think my synapses are starting to get a few jolts of electricity now. | 05:24 |
| systemdlete | I was using the text installer for beowulf when I installed refracta | 05:24 |
| systemdlete | making more sense. This graphical interface is just a giant copy tool. | 05:25 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2323 | 05:25 |
| systemdlete | I guess I can test the graphical installer anyway. It can run while I go get food. | 05:25 |
| fsmithred | run fast | 05:26 |
| systemdlete | why, how long does the copy take, typically? | 05:26 |
| fsmithred | about 10 minutes | 05:26 |
| systemdlete | drat. | 05:26 |
| fsmithred | and you have to answer a few questions at the end | 05:26 |
| systemdlete | I won't even have my order in by then... | 05:26 |
| systemdlete | what if I get the anwswers wrong? What happens to me? | 05:26 |
| fsmithred | then you won't know your password | 05:27 |
| systemdlete | j/k | 05:27 |
| systemdlete | (of course) | 05:27 |
| fsmithred | if you want to try the lvm and raid thing, you should wait until after you've eaten, so you have both hands. You'll need them. | 05:27 |
| fsmithred | and fyi, I will be asleep. | 05:28 |
| fsmithred | 1. Help | 05:28 |
| systemdlete | one of the questions should be something like "did you actually read the release notes and install doc?" | 05:28 |
| systemdlete | in fact, I notice that not one of the linux installers I have EVER used even suggested such a thing. | 05:28 |
| systemdlete | for boneheads who keep forgetting that step... | 05:29 |
| fsmithred | I lean toward using Ludivigo technique on some days. | 05:29 |
| systemdlete | A message on the very first dialog box maybe. | 05:29 |
| systemdlete | have a good night, fsmithred, and I will post my results here later. | 05:31 |
| systemdlete | 1. help | 05:31 |
| plasma41 | I started the day attempting to make a change in the policykit-1 package. Much yak shaving later and I'm working on a patch for GNU diffutils. :-P https://www.davidrevoy.com/article861/yak-shaving | 06:58 |
| onefang | Poor naked yak. | 07:08 |
| jiefk | Help needed : My Devuan system stalls the boot sequence while waiting for network device to get up (DHCP messages). Thing is the machine is not always connected to network and I would like send DHCP discover to "background" so I get the rest of my system up and running faster. Any hint appreciated, thanks :) | 11:48 |
| user____ | uninstall networkmanager and configure network manually worked for some people | 11:54 |
| user____ | jiefk: report success if it works | 11:58 |
| user____ | I am curious if wicked will play a role in devuan network management https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/5mjom2/why_wicked_is_the_default_connection_manager/ | 12:10 |
| user____ | even if that thread is 5 years old | 12:10 |
| onefang | That's wicd, not wicked. | 12:29 |
| lts | Also wicd depends on python2.7 which is EOL, and wicd itself seems unmaintained | 12:56 |
| djph | isn't there a python3 rewrite in ceres ? | 12:59 |
| fsmithred | djph, yes and it's broken | 13:14 |
| fsmithred | and someone is working on it now. | 13:14 |
| fsmithred | so it may get into devuan and debian again | 13:15 |
| djph | ah | 13:17 |
| user____ | wicked that wicd was misnamed wicked and I missed it. | 13:30 |
| djph | oops :) | 13:32 |
| onefang | I always said wicd was wicked, every time it gratuitously rearranged it's config file and I needed yet another etckeeper commit. | 13:32 |
| onefang | I don't use the wicked wicd anymore, but etckeeper is a keeper. B-) | 13:34 |
| Centurion_Dan | I find network-manager to be far superior to wicked wicd | 13:45 |
| fsmithred | if you have network-manager configured for two wireless routers that are in range, it does what it wants, not what you want. | 13:58 |
| djph | I had to use /e/n/i with wpa_supplicant, because wicd is no longer available. | 14:06 |
| djph | :| | 14:06 |
| xrogaan | So, there's been something constantly inhibiting my screensaver through dbus. Started to piss me off, so I enabled verbose mode. | 16:38 |
| xrogaan | And there, surprise: xscreensaver-systemd: 16:26:21: inhibited by "firefox-esr" since Tue Sep 14 15:55:29 2021 | 16:38 |
| xrogaan | that's when I watch a video or something though. | 16:39 |
| buZz | xrogaan: correct | 16:40 |
| buZz | any application can request 'do not enable screensaver now!' | 16:41 |
| buZz | typical videoplayers do that | 16:41 |
| buZz | and i guess browser with videoplayback aswell | 16:41 |
| xrogaan | But my issue wasn't from firefox. Happens after I wake the computer. | 16:42 |
| xrogaan | Continuously trying to remove the screensaver. | 16:42 |
| xrogaan | So, I'll have to wait a bit. | 16:42 |
| buZz | weird | 16:43 |
| buZz | maybe your mouse isnt stable? :P | 16:44 |
| buZz | bad mousemat or something | 16:44 |
| xrogaan | dunno, verbose is active so I'll know; | 16:45 |
| xrogaan | Stuff that I observe too is the screen shutting down, and quickly reactivated after. | 16:45 |
| xrogaan | so, that seems to | 16:45 |
| xrogaan | sorry, seems to put a nail in that theory | 16:46 |
| xrogaan | steam seems to do some nonsense too. | 16:46 |
| arpo | hi guys, could anyone help me with grub2 and UEFI? I have Debian 11 and Devuan 3.1 installed. Debian handels the main boot menu (windows, linux, system rescue, clonezilla) and I would like to chainload into the grub2 for Devuan. So that I can seperate the 2 grubs2 more. Under MBR ist was no problem. But my old method wont work with UEFI. | 18:03 |
| fsmithred | arpo, I can tell you how I do it in a minute | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | have to look at it | 18:18 |
| arpo | sure thx | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | make a menuentry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom. First and last lines look like any other menuentry. | 18:21 |
| fsmithred | title and braces | 18:21 |
| fsmithred | set root=(hd0,gpt5) | 18:21 |
| fsmithred | configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg | 18:21 |
| fsmithred | adjust the partition to your needs | 18:22 |
| arpo | ok | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | then run update-grub in debian | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | that's a good way to do it because then the newest kernel is always in the devuan boot menu, and you don't have to update-grub in debian every time the kernel changes in devuan. | 18:23 |
| arpo | yes that is my goal | 18:24 |
| arpo | thx... I'll be back and tell you if i got it to work! | 18:24 |
| arpo | thx fsmithred it works | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | :) | 18:33 |
| arpo | now i only need to get rid of the os prober under Debian... then im happy and can play so much with devuan until is breaks *ggg* as usual | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | you have to try pretty hard to break it | 18:35 |
| arpo | oh belive me... no problem for me LOL | 18:36 |
| arpo | that why i dont use Linux on the desktop normally... but i dont like where Windows is going | 18:36 |
| arpo | so its time to try to get some of my hardware to work under Linux | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | arpo, if you can figure out how grub counts menuentries, you can probably make that custom entry the default. | 18:47 |
| arpo | sure no problem | 18:48 |
| arpo | i had my very own grub config under MBR | 18:48 |
| arpo | but all this extra UEFI stuff is new for me | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | see rodsbooks.com for uefi education | 18:50 |
| arpo | i think i found a solution | 18:50 |
| arpo | Dual-booting Windows on UEFI with GPT | 18:51 |
| arpo | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2/Chainloading | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | https://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/index.html | 18:51 |
| arpo | i'll be back | 18:53 |
| arpo | thx for your help | 18:53 |
| ArpO | @fsmithred thx...it works now all like it should | 19:33 |
| jemadux | just installed in my moms laptop devuan with openrc .. why openrc beacuse it's my init on artix | 21:54 |
| Xenguy | jemadux, Enjoy : -) | 21:59 |
| Guest9183 | does devuan offer a completely free kernel when expert installing? | 22:15 |
| Guest9183 | how is it different from linux-libre | 22:15 |
| Guest9183 | or what other firmware is referred to in " If you would like to select an alternate bootloader (lilo) or exclude non-free firmware, you must select one of the Expert install options." | 22:15 |
| junicchi | any known solutions for no wifi interface on lenovo laptops with intel wifi cards? | 23:02 |
| junicchi | i'm on the same computer running live usb debian, it successfully detects my wificard and gives me the wifi interface | 23:03 |
| junicchi | but devuan beowulf i installed today doesn't see any wifi interface | 23:03 |
| user____ | install firmware? What does dmesg say about device vid:pid | 23:13 |
| junicchi | i installed firmare-* | 23:19 |
| junicchi | all i have is Intel controller Corporation Wi-fi 6 AX200 | 23:22 |
| junicchi | info from lspci | 23:22 |
| user____ | dmesg should show it (way up early in equipment detection at boot time since built in) | 23:26 |
| user____ | Also does it have a hw on/off switch? Tried it? | 23:26 |
| user____ | lspci -v should show a VID:PID code, equivalent for PCI. | 23:27 |
| junicchi | no pid on lspci -v | 23:38 |
| junicchi | ok upgrading to chiamera fixed | 23:42 |
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