| ksx4system | does NUT with default config do something when locally connected UPS loses power? | 01:40 |
|---|---|---|
| rwp | ksx4system, I might make assumptions based upon what apcupsd does when the connected UPS loses power. apcupsd monitors the time remaining of battery and shutdown when it crosses $threshold (5 minutes remaining). | 02:42 |
| ksx4system | rwp: I guess no NUT for me anyway, driver for my device is broken | 04:33 |
| ksx4system | apcupsd was much nicer to use but of course only supports APC products | 04:34 |
| ham5urg | I get the same problem (using fwupdmgr) as described here https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/391 . The solution stated there, is to wait some minutes due to server mirroring delays and try again. But I waited already some time and nothing happens. Have you encountered same problem? | 13:13 |
| gnarface | do the older versions work for you or are they all failing this way? | 13:21 |
| gnarface | i wonder if it is a ipv4/ipv6 issue? | 13:21 |
| ham5urg | could be, I try ip6 | 13:23 |
| Guest1167 | Hi! I just installed the ProtonVPN package, and there is some error when I am trying to run it. | 15:42 |
| Guest1167 | https://pastebin.com/hp89y5rj | 15:44 |
| Guest1167 | I pasted the error messages here. | 15:44 |
| Joril | it looks like it needs systemd | 15:45 |
| Guest1167 | So it can't be bypassed on Devuan? | 15:46 |
| Joril | Judging from https://github.com/ProtonVPN/linux-cli/issues/34 "It's explicitly stated on our supported pages that systemd is a requirment" | 15:48 |
| Joril | Also "the current implementation heavily relies on systemd to communicate with the OS" | 15:48 |
| Guest1164 | Did somebody here used Gadmin to connect with OpenVPN? I imported an .ovpn configuration file, but there is still an error: "Missing certificate or key setting." | 16:34 |
| * blockhead is runnning devuan chimarea amd64: is it safe to remove avahi-daemon? | 20:34 | |
| rwp | blockhead, If you try it what does it say it also wants to remove? | 20:54 |
| rwp | That's how I tell if something is "safe" or not. Try it and decide based upon what else is removed too. | 20:55 |
| rwp | In the case of a default chimaera install with xfce it looks safe to remove to me. Only telepathy-salut is also removed. Looks okay to me. | 20:56 |
| UsL | then protonvpn should be a banned package since it requires systemd then? | 22:45 |
| UsL | also, why have their own package for it when there is openvpn or wireguard.. Weird. Also, python.. | 22:46 |
| blockhead | nwp: i mean remove as in setting the daemon to not run. i had not considered removing the package. thank you | 22:50 |
| systemdlete | trying to decide on smb vs nfs (or something else?). I know how to install, config, and admin these, but I wonder if anyone here has an opinion/preference/admonition/free beer | 22:56 |
| website | hello | 22:56 |
| website | anyone here? | 22:56 |
| website | ah yes nice | 22:56 |
| systemdlete | nope. | 22:56 |
| website | channel not dead | 22:56 |
| systemdlete | nobody here | 22:56 |
| website | I can't apt-get lsb | 22:56 |
| systemdlete | you mean apt-get install lsb? | 22:56 |
| website | so I can't use my Epson ECO TANK printer on "line unix" | 22:56 |
| website | yes | 22:56 |
| website | it's broken in devuan | 22:56 |
| systemdlete | is such a package there? | 22:56 |
| website | I never had this problem on apple Iphones | 22:57 |
| website | (the only other computer I've used ever) | 22:57 |
| systemdlete | lsb is linux standard base | 22:57 |
| website | sure, apple uploads all your photos and also scans them on your device and then has you arrested for life etc | 22:57 |
| website | but it Just WeRkS! | 22:57 |
| systemdlete | website: You might take this to #devuan-offtopic | 22:58 |
| website | and as a Proud American: if it catches ONE criminal. | 22:58 |
| systemdlete | this is devuan support only | 22:58 |
| website | I'm all for it | 22:58 |
| website | yes and I cannot install LSB | 22:58 |
| website | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 22:58 |
| website | lsb : Depends: lsb-desktop (>= 4.1+devuan2) but it is not going to be installed | 22:58 |
| website | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 22:58 |
| systemdlete | I think you mean lsb-base? | 22:58 |
| website | apt-get install lsb | 22:58 |
| website | Reading package lists... Done | 22:58 |
| website | sysdetc: eskpr-printer-MARK-II(MASCHSNELL!) demands lsb | 22:59 |
| website | it's gpl but not in devuan yet | 22:59 |
| website | lsb-base is already the newest version (4.1+devuan2). | 22:59 |
| website | dpkg -i epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2_1.1.42-1lsb3.2_i386.deb | 22:59 |
| website | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2: | 23:00 |
| website | epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2 depends on lsb (>= 3.2); however: | 23:00 |
| website | Package lsb is not installed. | 23:00 |
| website | systemdlete: see | 23:00 |
| website | can't install machsnell | 23:00 |
| systemdlete | I dunno. Maybe wait for someone else who knows this | 23:00 |
| systemdlete | sorry | 23:00 |
| website | apt-cache search lsb | 23:00 |
| website | lsb - Linux Standard Base 4.1 support package | 23:00 |
| website | systemdlete: comon bro | 23:00 |
| website | should I just use Apple? | 23:00 |
| website | isn't this the year of the LINUX DESKTOP? | 23:01 |
| website | why the FUCK can't I install "LSB" | 23:01 |
| website | systemdlete: or lie to dkpg and say I did? | 23:01 |
| website | apt-get install lsb | 23:01 |
| website | lsb : Depends: lsb-cxx (>= 4.1+devuan2) but it is not going to be installed | 23:01 |
| website | Depends: lsb-desktop (>= 4.1+devuan2) but it is not going to be installed | 23:01 |
| systemdlete | well, that could screw up your system's notion of what depends on what else, but you could try it | 23:02 |
| systemdlete | I don't recommend it myself | 23:02 |
| website | apt-get install lsb-cxx | 23:02 |
| website | Reading state information... Done | 23:02 |
| website | You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these. | 23:02 |
| website | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 23:02 |
| website | epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2 : Depends: lsb (>= 3.2) but it is not going to be installed | 23:02 |
| systemdlete | where did you get the epson package? I don't even see it. | 23:02 |
| website | epson's site | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | oh | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | well... you might ask THEM. I doubt anyone here will know, unless they use that same package | 23:03 |
| website | http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=EN&CN2=&DSCMI=130772&DSCCHK=858e53c8dcc06d4cb3f5aedc2e5769f2d5a312a7 | 23:03 |
| website | systemdlete: no | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | epson's engineers might have built that package against a different set of packages. | 23:03 |
| website | systemdlete: when I used debian people helped with this sort of things | 23:03 |
| website | yes and there are ways around that | 23:03 |
| systemdlete | well, try #debian? | 23:04 |
| website | systemdlete: did you read the errors | 23:04 |
| website | no dipshit | 23:04 |
| website | LSB is the needed pkg you stupid fuck | 23:04 |
| website | devuan HAS LSB | 23:04 |
| website | the package | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | no need for abuse! | 23:04 |
| website | however ir relies on lsb-desktop | 23:04 |
| UsL | website: watch the language or get out of here if you can't behave | 23:04 |
| website | and lsb-desktop is NOT INSTALLABLE on devuan | 23:04 |
| systemdlete | if the mods see you making cracks, you might get banned | 23:04 |
| website | UsL: fuck off, I did the arguments that got you to start devuan in the first place years ago | 23:04 |
| website | your guy jaromil quoted me when he talked to the press etc | 23:05 |
| UsL | well, clearly you are stupid as hell and have installed unsupported packages from epson. | 23:05 |
| website | and was announcing the "old unix sys admin collective" | 23:05 |
| website | UsL: no that is not stupid you fucking piece of shit | 23:05 |
| systemdlete | website: That doesn't give you permission to abuse people here in the channel. They are here to help. | 23:05 |
| website | fuck off systemdlete | 23:05 |
| website | freedom of speech does | 23:05 |
| website | man you fucks are retarded | 23:05 |
| jushur | website: behave | 23:06 |
| website | lsb-desktop : Depends: libpng12-0 but it is not installable | 23:06 |
| website | Recommends: libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6) but it is not installable | 23:06 |
| website | lsb-desktop is the broken devuan package | 23:06 |
| website | and is why lsb is not installable | 23:06 |
| website | that's on devuan | 23:06 |
| website | not epson | 23:06 |
| website | epsons package just asks for lsb | 23:06 |
| website | learn how dpkg packages work systemdlete and UsL | 23:06 |
| systemdlete | so... ask epson support where THEY got package lsb? Again, I'm new here. | 23:07 |
| website | systemdlete: lsb is a package in devuan | 23:07 |
| systemdlete | Sorry, I can't help you. | 23:07 |
| UsL | website: if you can't parse error messages or understand unmet dependencies, then you are clearly not fit do run devuan, are you? Use an appletosh, please. | 23:07 |
| website | then get the fuck out retard | 23:07 |
| systemdlete | but if you are patient, someone else might be able to help you | 23:07 |
| website | UsL: I can | 23:07 |
| website | i've been using linux for 20 years | 23:07 |
| website | I code C and others | 23:07 |
| jushur | website: your now asked to leave | 23:07 |
| UsL | doesn't show. | 23:07 |
| website | jushur: fuck you | 23:08 |
| website | apt-cache search lsb | 23:08 |
| website | lsb - Linux Standard Base 4.1 support package | 23:08 |
| website | lsb-base - Linux Standard Base 4.1 init script functionality | 23:08 |
| website | lsb-core - Linux Standard Base 4.1 core support package | 23:08 |
| website | 23:08 | |
| website | see systemdlete | 23:08 |
| website | lsb is a devuan package | 23:08 |
| website | but it is not installable because it debends on lsb-desktop | 23:08 |
| website | lsb-desktop is not installable | 23:08 |
| website | that is Devuan's fault, not mine | 23:08 |
| website | capiche? | 23:08 |
| website | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 23:09 |
| website | lsb-desktop : Depends: libpng12-0 but it is not installable | 23:09 |
| website | Recommends: libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6) but it is not installable | 23:09 |
| website | apt-mark showhold | 23:10 |
| website | shows nothing | 23:10 |
| website | jushur: see the discrepancy? | 23:10 |
| website | you have held broken packages. | 23:10 |
| website | apt-mark showhold | 23:10 |
| website | (nothing) | 23:10 |
| website | jushur: you following me, or just mad I didn't lick your axe wound nice enough | 23:11 |
| jushur | website: you now angered the people who knows how stuff works. good luck | 23:11 |
| website | jushur: was always a good way on #debian | 23:11 |
| website | jushur: mad that I let you know your fucking pkg is broken? | 23:11 |
| jushur | im not the maintainer? | 23:11 |
| website | oh, but you re-ta-r-d-s though "lsb" was an epson provided package! | 23:12 |
| website | you never fucking heard of linux standard base | 23:12 |
| website | and yet I remeber when it started. | 23:12 |
| website | it was an attempt to standardize vs the distro wars | 23:12 |
| website | didn't work out | 23:12 |
| website | just became another dependancy | 23:12 |
| * jushur moves his rock back over his body, less anoyance.. | 23:12 | |
| website | lol | 23:13 |
| website | you can't say you've lived under a rock when you have less than 20 years linux experiance | 23:13 |
| website | bet you don't even code C | 23:13 |
| mason | Exercise is good. Work out some of that anxiety that has you attacking other people when you've failed to solve a problem. | 23:13 |
| website | mason: I'm mad I'm not a taliban | 23:14 |
| website | taliban can marry little girls, just like the irish could before 1972 | 23:14 |
| website | am I supposed to be happy that I can't? | 23:14 |
| website | because cunts like sysd-retarded-woman-im-new run the show? | 23:15 |
| jushur | patch your system | 23:17 |
| website | jushur: grsecurity went closed source, so sorry I can't | 23:17 |
| website | notice how the "GPL" didn't save you | 23:17 |
| website | when you don't have the testicals because you are white faggots: you don't sue to enforce the copyright license: so it doesn't mean shit | 23:18 |
| website | you love Jesus "cut your dick and balls off if you can accept it and follow me!" | 23:18 |
| website | "There is no male nor female, no jew nor greek," | 23:18 |
| systemdlete | I just checked our database, website. Seems you have not paid for a support contract with us. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid we can't help you until you've paid up. | 23:18 |
| website | "turn the other cheek and get beaten down like a dog slave" | 23:18 |
| website | systemdlete: how about with bullets cunt | 23:19 |
| website | you want me to track you down and kill your fucking ass? | 23:19 |
| website | systemdlete: sound like a good idea female fucking piece of shit no-nothing cunt? | 23:19 |
| website | Free Hans Reiser | 23:19 |
| website | he did nothing wrong | 23:19 |
| website | did the right thing | 23:19 |
| website | glad the Taliban won | 23:20 |
| website | nyany: hi cat | 23:20 |
| website | oh more cunts | 23:20 |
| website | someone complained | 23:20 |
| website | wahhh wahhh someone not respecting muh wuhmen | 23:20 |
| website | wahhh wahhh someone notified us a pkg was broken | 23:20 |
| website | wahh wahh what is lsb, linux standard base, never heard of it | 23:21 |
| website | you'll have to kline the entire ISP fucking worthless cunts | 23:21 |
| website | do you people even know how debians package manager works? | 23:22 |
| ksx4system | wut | 23:22 |
| website | ksx4system: lsb is not installable | 23:22 |
| website | that is a devuan package | 23:22 |
| website | it is not installable because it pulls in lsb-desktop | 23:22 |
| website | another devauan package | 23:22 |
| website | which is broken | 23:22 |
| website | ksx4system: I informed your people here of lsb being in an uninstallable state because the lsb-desktop pkg in devuan is broken | 23:23 |
| mason | kline: https://bpa.st/62XA - not sure when you joined | 23:23 |
| website | ksx4system: some people that do not even know what the Linux Standard Base complained because I said fuck | 23:23 |
| jushur | website: you may fix lsb-desktop and supply a patch for it. | 23:24 |
| ksx4system | jushur, this | 23:24 |
| website | jushur: I contribute enough to free software | 23:24 |
| website | fix the fucking package you ass | 23:24 |
| website | tons of things use lsb | 23:24 |
| website | does STANDARD BASE not sound familiar to you | 23:25 |
| A_Dragon | Have you considered that insulting the people trying to help you is not likely to get the fix you're looking for? | 23:25 |
| kline | website, this seems like a bit of an overreaction. you dont have to be so mad about a bug that im sure will be fixed soon | 23:25 |
| ksx4system | A_Dragon, good point | 23:26 |
| kline | website, how about we just chill for a bit and see what happens. have you posted to the mailing list (politely?) | 23:26 |
| website | kline: their mailing list is unusable | 23:30 |
| website | kline: every free mailing provider is banned as spam, no way to white list | 23:31 |
| website | kline: so yes I've tried. | 23:31 |
| kline | website, that sounds pretty frustrating | 23:31 |
| website | kline: but how can they not know what LSB is? | 23:31 |
| kline | im sure they probably do and its broken by accident and will be fixed soon | 23:31 |
| website | isn't this a linux distro. When you make a new one you typically start with Linux Standard Base | 23:32 |
| kline | maybe im wrong, but im not sure what outcome you're aiming for | 23:32 |
| website | then work out from there | 23:32 |
| website | kline: to tell them lsb-desktop is broken | 23:32 |
| website | so they fix it | 23:32 |
| website | this channel is the only way I know how | 23:32 |
| kline | ok, i think they probably know, now | 23:32 |
| website | since the mailinglist is so filtered | 23:32 |
| kline | and more arguing is just going to push it off the topic of peoples screens and distract from the issue, right? | 23:32 |
| website | lsb is the last thing I've ever expected to be broken tho | 23:32 |
| website | do they even use their own distro? | 23:33 |
| website | or is this like freebsd where everyone uses OSX for real work? | 23:33 |
| kline | how badly does a broken lsb package break your system? | 23:33 |
| website | kline: generally no 3rd party linux software is usable | 23:33 |
| kline | maybe theyre spending their time unfucking their own system before they can distribute the fix | 23:34 |
| ksx4system | website, afaik Devuan is self hosted eg. Devuan specific packages are compiled on Devuan powered systems | 23:34 |
| website | 3rd party linux software targets the linux standard base because it's the "bare minimum" a linux distro is expected to have | 23:34 |
| website | anyone using linux seriously needs lsb to work to use actual software | 23:34 |
| website | engineering visualization etc | 23:34 |
| website | which shows that no one ever tried to install anything serious on Devuan | 23:35 |
| website | which suggests no one even tests devuan | 23:35 |
| website | also printer drivers and everything else rely on it :P | 23:35 |
| kline | youre a devuan user, right? | 23:35 |
| website | on this one computer yes, debian on all others | 23:35 |
| website | this is a i386 install, | 23:36 |
| website | but has 4gb of ram :D | 23:36 |
| website | (good for i386) | 23:36 |
| kline | thats proper old school | 23:36 |
| website | 4 1gb sticks | 23:36 |
| kline | i saw an amiga st400 the other day in a thrift shop | 23:36 |
| ksx4system | website, what version of Devuan you're running now? on 3.1 Beowulf neither lsb nor lsb-base depends on lsb-desktop afaics | 23:36 |
| website | a proc right before the changeover to AMD 64 | 23:36 |
| kline | err, atari | 23:37 |
| website | cat /etc/version | 23:37 |
| website | cat: /etc/version: No such file or directory | 23:37 |
| website | hmm different than old debian | 23:37 |
| website | kline: get it | 23:37 |
| ksx4system | cat /etc/sources.list | grep beowulf to check if you're on latest stable :P | 23:37 |
| website | kline: people buy those for the sound chips | 23:37 |
| kline | website, i was so so wanting to, but i wasnt able to - it was pouring with rain and i didnt have a car or anything | 23:38 |
| website | ksx4system: ascii | 23:38 |
| kline | maybe i should have had them keep it in the back for me | 23:38 |
| kline | the sound is what, mos? | 23:38 |
| website | kline: it's an internal analogue synth | 23:38 |
| website | on a chip | 23:38 |
| website | like the chips behringer is producing again | 23:39 |
| kline | oh nice | 23:39 |
| ksx4system | website, upgrade to beowulf is highly recommended unless you *really* need older software for some backwards compatibility (custom kernel too low for beofulf etc) | 23:39 |
| website | there are actually "synth boards" that take the chip if you yank it | 23:39 |
| website | ksx4system: that will completely destroy this system most likely | 23:40 |
| kline | and i guess the originals are in high demand, not being produced anymore | 23:40 |
| website | kline: the originals sound the best | 23:40 |
| kline | (but necessary to get authentic sound) | 23:40 |
| kline | yeah | 23:40 |
| ksx4system | website, had no issues upgrading my servers ascii -> beowulf | 23:40 |
| website | kline: the chips are old so you get analoge distortion | 23:40 |
| website | ksx4system: the kernel is custom patched to keep it working | 23:40 |
| website | kline: as the sync circuits are not 100pct perfect | 23:41 |
| website | so you get phasing and other nice things for synth music | 23:41 |
| website | beating too (similar effect) | 23:41 |
| website | ksx4system: I could --force install the printer pkg | 23:42 |
| website | but I wanted to give possibility of doing it the "right" way | 23:42 |
| ksx4system | website, unless it's some weird hardware (repurposed thin client or commercial grade firewall) you should be able to run regular kernel on i386 without issues | 23:42 |
| website | ksx4system: the wifi card doesn't work without custom patched kernel | 23:43 |
| ksx4system | website, realtek chipset? | 23:43 |
| website | I believe so yes | 23:43 |
| website | that's what I recall | 23:43 |
| website | set it up 2 yrs ago | 23:43 |
| website | this is the first real problem I've had with devuan on this box | 23:43 |
| website | everything else was fixed with recompiles etc | 23:44 |
| ksx4system | website, modern realtek wireless hardware is problematic everywhere ;) | 23:44 |
| website | and reprogramming apps etc | 23:44 |
| website | like there was this photo taking app: lightdesk | 23:44 |
| website | it didn't compile on i386 | 23:44 |
| website | so it took me about a day | 23:44 |
| website | but I went into the build system and went through step by step, also the C code, and sorta ported it to i386 | 23:45 |
| website | now it works fine | 23:45 |
| website | also fixed their bracketing code, which didn't work with actual nikon cameras which exist in the real world | 23:45 |
| website | (obviously they didn't test it in reality: they were sending the data way too fast, not waiting for the camera to beable to keep up etc) | 23:46 |
| website | but... epson eskpr2 wants lsb | 23:46 |
| website | and that should be a simple request to fufill | 23:46 |
| website | kline: what type of synth music do you like to make? | 23:48 |
| website | kline: i've been playing with the monophonic roland synth remake this year | 23:49 |
| UsL | that is all well and done now, website. Thanks for your temper tantrum before where you actually threatened to kill people, but can you please stop filling the backlog with more nonsense now? Or move to some offtopic channel. | 23:49 |
| website | the sha-101 remake | 23:49 |
| website | UsL: I am a but-for cause of your distro | 23:49 |
| website | it's mine | 23:49 |
| website | I willed it into existance because I didn't want to have to relearn start-up scripting | 23:50 |
| ksx4system | wut | 23:50 |
| website | ksx4system: I did a solid year of kevetching | 23:50 |
| UsL | I think that's enough now, website. Please go away now. | 23:50 |
| website | inspiring this distro | 23:50 |
| website | UsL: no | 23:50 |
| website | I own this distro | 23:50 |
| website | because I convince Jaromil etc to make it :) | 23:50 |
| website | a but-for cause | 23:50 |
| website | Sgryphon | 23:51 |
| ksx4system | w u t | 23:51 |
| website | ksx4system: you don't know the history of Devuan I see | 23:51 |
| kline | website, i dont produce, but i do like the idea of small systems. i would love to get, for example, a serial terminal and move more of my computing life into actual phosphor terminals | 23:51 |
| website | kline: haha I have some of those | 23:51 |
| ksx4system | website, one of first (if not first) mirrors was mine so I guess I know it a little bit lol | 23:51 |
| website | an old IBM crt | 23:51 |
| website | it's pretty small | 23:52 |
| kline | likewise ditching the bloatweb and using js-less browsers in an amiga or something | 23:52 |
| website | used to use it for command line only | 23:52 |
| kline | im actually looking at a WY-50 | 23:52 |
| kline | turns out they're cheap and common here in the UK | 23:52 |
| website | It's been so long since I've been in the UK | 23:52 |
| website | 15 years I think, maybe more | 23:53 |
| website | what's it like there now? | 23:53 |
| kline | cold and wet, same as it ever was | 23:53 |
| ksx4system | kline, those old Wyse terminals are *awesome* | 23:53 |
| website | my favorite weather | 23:53 |
| kline | same | 23:53 |
| kline | you in -offtopic? | 23:53 |
| UsL | go away with your offtopic little anekdotes somewhere else please. | 23:53 |
| UsL | seriously.. | 23:54 |
| website | am now but UsL demands we keep talking here | 23:54 |
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