libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2021-10-14

AfdalWhat's the name of that archive GUI tool *buntu distributions usually use02:19
AfdalI think I hate xarchiver02:19
Afdalall I wanna do is extract something and it doesn't have extract-the-dang-archive-in-the-directory-where-the-archive-file-resides behavior02:19
hyrcanusdpkg -X thing.deb .02:23
GoatAvengerAfdal, Mate Desktop Environment comes with "engrampa"02:45
GoatAvengerI don't know about Gnome..02:46
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDAfdal, I've forked an old version of engrampa03:30
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDyou can use it if you want03:30
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDit uses gtk203:30
systemdleterunning an xrdp server on beowulf works fine for remmina clients, but I'm having difficulty with an ascii box connecting from the same instance of remmina.07:35
systemdleteNow, I already know some people here will say, "what?  you're running RDP, don't you know that ... <various security problems, etc>"07:36
systemdleteBut I am only doing this on my home network, and I trust all the users here (there is exactly 1 user, in fact)07:37
systemdleteSo back to getting RDP to work on ascii -- if that is even supported.  I've tried some things I found online and they say only 1 user can be logged in, so I tried that, but to no avail.07:37
systemdleteI get a blank screen every time, no matter what I do.07:38
systemdleteRemmina tells me it is connecting and completes that without an error.  But all I get is a black screen.07:38
systemdletebtw, all of this is for mere convenience.  I can always log into the remote ascii machine.  But I was playing with a bunch of remote systems via remmina and noticed this one problem system.07:41
systemdleteotoh, although it is for my convenience, maybe a solution (if known/possible) can help someone else07:41
systemdleteI've also tried this while slim is and isn't running on the target ascii box.07:43
systemdleteI'm going to be upgrading the ascii box to chimaera as soon as it is released.  So there won't be any more questions re ascii from me after that.07:43
systemdleteI'm just kind of hoping I can make this work for the next few weeks until the new release is out07:44
systemdleteI supose I could try setting up a vnc server instead.07:45
hyrcanushello systemdlete i have a binary would you please run it on your server07:46
systemdletehow?  I have an external firewall.07:47
systemdleteon a different system07:47
systemdlete(it's openwrt router)07:47
systemdletebut, yeah, I've heard that about RDP07:47
hyrcanusoh ok07:47
systemdleteis that not enough?07:47
systemdleteI mean, hyrcanus, if I were attempting something like this over the Internet, I would not go with RDP!07:48
hyrcanusseems hardware-compressed h264 works pretty well nowadays, for a screen mirror08:44
ukinehyrcanus: there are some hdmi->iptv (x264) boxes that can be had reasonably from aliexpress08:46
hyrcanusneat08:46
ukinei commented on them (a bit off-coloredly, to my current detriment of mind..) on imgur once08:46
ukinei was going over, at the time, docsis/cable tv home networking systems, the current status of such in copyright land, and the tech at the time some years ago08:48
ukinehdhomerun, plex, hdmi copyright bit ignorance etc08:48
ukinei have since stopped the copyright abuse in its' entirety...08:49
ukinetimes have changed regarding that and i could not support all-out pirating any more08:49
ukineremember when dvd decrypter (decss..) had its' on song in which the master key was sung, thereby making cracking dvds art? lol08:51
ukinei tried so hard to vhs hackers (from blockbuster)->a blank tape with two vcr's in my youth, to no avail, because macrovision08:54
hyrcanussuppression of media 'piracy' is excellent to any degree it helps prevent people from viewing that trash08:54
ukineit's great how the mind changes as you grow08:55
ukinebrain science is fascinating08:55
ukinehi jla09:09
ukinelol09:21
ukinehi knidos09:26
ukinehow have you been?09:26
hyrcanusthe vermicious knids09:54
ukinehah10:08
hyrcanusi made a funny for 'cat'ing to people's terminal (e.g. .bashrc) http://0x0.st/-0IQ.ans10:10
hyrcanusyou can curl it10:10
chozorhoI am afraid to run that... it looks extremely sketchy10:14
chozorhoyou're sure it's not some reverse SSH port?10:15
onefangIt looks off topic to.10:18
hyrcanusall .bashrc fun is fun10:39
jlaChimaera fresh install ... cannot use '$ cal ... ' command in bash ? what am i missing ?13:05
jlawhich package am i missing ?13:07
debdoghttps://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=cal&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any13:08
tr-amarsh04calendar ?13:08
tr-amarsh04suggested by bsdmainutils13:09
tr-amarsh04or ncal13:09
tr-amarsh04which bsdmainutils depends on13:10
tr-amarsh04which quilt depends on, which devscripts recommends13:12
jlagot it, thX13:20
aidHey, anyone seen this already: libvorbisfile3 : "Depends: libvorbis0a (= 1,3.6-2) but 1.3.6-2 is installed"?13:34
james1138Good Morning. General question about this channel. Is it for purely Devuan or can questions/comments/concerns about Devuan-variant distros be made here? If not... would anyone know what channel??15:30
fsrjames1138, it's for support. Mainly for devuan, but questions about devuan derivatives might get answered. They are not forbidden.15:32
james1138Thanx FSR. Just wondering. I am using "Star Linux" (A desktop-oriented Linux distribution based on Devuan GNU+Linux) on my laptop and did not want to overstep the bounds.15:35
james1138https://www.devuan.org/os/devuan-distros15:37
fsmithredyou do have to ask a question before you can get an answer.15:39
fsmithredbrb15:39
marekaniahello18:28
marekaniahow I can change language when system boot? I know the TAB must use, but i don't know, what I must use option18:29
rwpIf only marekania had stayed around 2 more minutes to hear "dpkg-reconfigure locales"!18:33
fsmithredthat sounds like a question about the isolinux boot menu in the live isos18:35
fsmithredlanguage option in the boot menu says Press TAB to edit18:36
fsmithredand you have to edit the country codes in the boot command18:36
fsmithreddefault is set to Italian18:36
* me_ waves18:54
me_hello all18:57
me_Thanks for the chimaera release,wrong channel , yes, but thanks all the same.18:57
ltsOh, Chimaera is officially released. I didn't know because no one has updated the topic :-)19:05
hagbardWhat does this mean? "Repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus InRelease' changed its 'Origin' value from 'Devuan' to 'None'"19:59
fsmithredhagbard, it means chimaera was released20:00
fsmithredand I think we forgot to do something first20:01
fsmithredhagbard, to fix it, run 'apt update' and say 'yes' to the question.20:03
fsmithred(if I am remembering correctly)20:03
hagbardThat worked, thanks.20:04
fsmithredoh, I think the isos got made before the repos were adjusted20:05
user____wb fsmithred20:29
fsmithredthanks, user____ . Unfortunately, it's temporary.20:37
rmhello21:16
hyrcanusyes21:17
rmthe Chimaera torrent doesn't download, could ones responsible check it?21:17
rmI added it to seedbox, but it just sits there at 0%21:18
masonrm: I haven't seen that the new seeds are up, but we can check.21:21
ksx4systemChimaera is stable now, yay!21:23
ksx4systemtime to update my boxes I guess21:23
_alv_hi is there the devuan meeting this evening ???21:35
_alv_and if yes where ??21:36
_alv_:D21:36
Afdalso what's the official way to upgrade to Chimaera21:37
AfdalDoes this guide work https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf.html21:37
rwpMostly, yes, that will be mostly fine.21:38
AfdalThey mostly come at night21:38
Afdalmostly21:39
rwpSince you are already at Beowulf you don't need to explicitly install the devuan-keyring.21:39
rwpWe should take off and nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.21:39
AfdalIf this upgrade doesn't work for me21:39
Afdalit's game over, man21:39
rwpThe other line with upower is also not needed because again you are already running Beowulf so not needed.21:40
rwpAfter the upgrade I would "apt-get clean" rather than "apt-get autoclean".  Free up more disk space and the upgrade will have pulled everything in and not needed afterward.21:41
golinuxAfdal: there is a script hidden at the bottom of that page that might be more robust for your needs.21:41
golinuxOops . . . that might have been for migration not upgrade.21:42
* golinux is old and confused.21:42
AfdalWhat's the difference between clean and autoclean anyway21:42
rwpautoclean removes downloaded cached .deb files that are no longer available for upgrade, the older files.21:43
rwpclean removes all of the downloaded cached .deb files.21:43
rwpAfter an upgrade these days 100% of all packages are changed and therefore upgraded and therefore downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and that can consume a lot of disk space.21:43
rwpAnd you already installed them so it is unlikely that you will need them again.21:44
AfdalChimaera in the pipe, five by five...21:44
rwpThe time when those are particularly useful is when one is playing with something, install it, purge it, install it, purge it, and the install only needs to download it once.21:44
rwpBut after a 100% package roll that is most upgrades the likelihood of you using one of those again is low.21:45
rwpFrom there moving forward will be new packages due to security upgrades and that will just be the normal flow of packages moving forward.21:45
Vector_GorgothQuick report for anyone who cares - cloud.cfg is fucked for chimaera ... defaults to Debian values. Leaving the old config in place works, but I'm not sure what would happen if someone was unwise enough to use the package config by mistake.22:21
hyrcanus^23:16
plasma41V23:16
ksx4systemdoes anyone here use PHP builds mentioned in post linked here? http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=20270#p2027023:17
ksx4systemworking very well on Beowulf but I'm going to upgrade to Chimaera tonight23:17
plasma41ksx4system: I'm unfamiliar with those PHP builds (or PHP programming in general, for that matter)23:20
ksx4systemplasma41: well, I'll check again if they have builds for Chimaera ready23:26
ksx4system(they didn't not long ago)23:26
golinuxA lot of folks use those packages quite happily.23:31
ksx4systemgolinux, myself included :) but currently on 3.123:41
ksx4systemwell, I'll just leave this line in sources.list as it is23:41
* ksx4system has no idea what could go wrong23:42

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