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| razor[m] | I'm getting these on tty. Boots perfectly though | 11:39 |
| hyrcanus | what are these | 11:40 |
| hyrcanus | do you require assistance, razor[m] | 11:40 |
| razor[m] | These messages are constantly firing on tty | 11:40 |
| hyrcanus | i won't click your link sorry | 11:41 |
| razor[m] | hyrcanus: Yeah I wanna know why | 11:41 |
| razor[m] | I'm getting (ucsi_acpi USBC000:00: possible UCSI driver bug 2) in tty | 11:44 |
| gtr | Hi, I just wanted to download Devuan from https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_chimaera/desktop-live/ , but the hash is PGP signed with 67F5013216271E85C251E480A73823D3094C5620 which expired 2021-09-20 as far as I know. How can I make sure that this is file is authentic? | 11:45 |
| hyrcanus | razor[m]: maybe you can detect whether it is associated with particular hardware by disconnecting some USB devices | 11:45 |
| razor[m] | Thanks i disconnected the charger which is usb c thunderbopt. I only had USB thunderbolt charger connected | 11:47 |
| hyrcanus | the errors i find with websearch all are usb-c related | 11:48 |
| razor[m] | Yeah in my case it was the USBC thunderbolt on my thinkpad | 11:48 |
| hyrcanus | gtr some root key expired in september | 11:51 |
| hyrcanus | if you want to download from that host maybe you can check that the hash of the images matches those claimed for other hosts | 11:51 |
| hyrcanus | if you want more surety use pgp signed hashes | 11:52 |
| gtr | hyrcanus, I am using PGP signed hashes. The problem is that the PGP signature is invalid because the corresponding key has expired. | 11:53 |
| hyrcanus | if your goal is to fix the expired key, contact the maintainer of that mirror | 11:54 |
| hyrcanus | he could do it if he happens to be here and reading this, but the chances of that are slim | 11:54 |
| gtr | hyrcanus, no I don't want to fix anything, I just want to verify the signature | 11:55 |
| hyrcanus | maybe someone here has the release-live image of chimera and can give you the hash | 11:56 |
| gtr | Last post of fsmithred was on 2021-09-19 here: https://dev1galaxy.org/search.php?action=show_user_posts&user_id=6 So I assume that he has been kidnapped and forced to publish a malicious release. If other people have the same hash as me that's not gonna help ;) | 12:01 |
| hyrcanus | it is a mistake to rely on any one person for that matter, and that person in particular | 12:13 |
| rrq | most recent amd64_desktop-live ahs sha256sum 98b514efbdd9be9706991d40b459436396a386b2128e9e47e0cca83b3e2612c4 | 12:17 |
| hyrcanus | my understanding is that sha256sums will differ on errors caused by transmission/copy errors, but that an attacker can generate corrupted files with identical hashes | 12:31 |
| gtr | No, sha256 is a cryptographic hash but as I said it doesn't help if the release image itself is not authentic | 12:32 |
| eric | Hi all. How would one go about recreating initramd.img after creating a Frankenstein installation on a new SSD with different UUIDs for partitions etc? Encrypted /, separate unencrypted /boot. | 12:34 |
| eric | i redtored my full filesystem backup of my old Beowulf on top of a fresh Beowulf installation in the new SSD. I tried to fix fstab and crypttab with the right UUIDs but I'm not sure how to make a new initramd out of them. | 12:37 |
| eric | i tried to do the usual live-CD chroot and bind mount thing and then tried mkinitramfs but it was throwing some warnings about a uuid not being there and also crypto capabilities not being included in the image. | 12:39 |
| hyrcanus | eric: if no-one currently online can help, keep your client open | 12:48 |
| eric | Will do. I think it may be a more involved issue. | 12:51 |
| hyrcanus | it's the kind of maintenance i do seldom and promptly forget everything about | 12:54 |
| Afdal | uh wait | 13:20 |
| Afdal | someone refresh my memory | 13:20 |
| Afdal | Does Xfce have menu icons for something as basic as right-clicking on an application in the task panel area? | 13:21 |
| Afdal | Because those are missing too | 13:21 |
| Afdal | after this Chimaera upgrade | 13:21 |
| gtr | Afdal, no menu icons on task bar context menu here (Fedora XFCE) | 13:28 |
| Afdal | must be something else about it that feels off then | 13:29 |
| Afdal | feels very sterile now | 13:29 |
| hyrcanus | anyone know what happened to fsmithred? | 13:31 |
| ShorTie | how come "ls /sys/class/net" shows no wifi ?? | 14:27 |
| hyrcanus | does here | 14:31 |
| ShorTie | last 2 live installs does not .. :(~ | 14:33 |
| hyrcanus | perhaps the kernel driver for your particular hardware was changed | 14:34 |
| hyrcanus | can you use wifi? | 14:34 |
| ShorTie | not the way i want to, lol. | 14:39 |
| ShorTie | use to give me a funky wlxxxx name | 14:41 |
| ShorTie | which twas fine | 14:41 |
| Afdal | So I did an xfce4-panel -r and instead of restarting the panel it just completely killed it | 14:43 |
| hyrcanus | i would begin by investigating the driver for your hardware ShorTie | 14:43 |
| Afdal | And now I can't figure out how to start up the panel again as a background process because I'm a dummy | 14:43 |
| Afdal | I can run xfce4-panel in a terminal and that'll start the panel up fine but it has to occupy an active terminal | 14:43 |
| hyrcanus | there is an #xfce on the network i think and there might be people there who can help | 14:45 |
| Afdal | yeah #xfce is always dead though -___- | 14:45 |
| carlos | Afdal xfce4-panel > /dev/null 2&1 & | 14:45 |
| Afdal | ah thank you | 14:47 |
| carlos | glad to help | 14:47 |
| ShorTie | Sorry, Think kitty knocked it loose | 14:56 |
| ShorTie | works now .. :/~ | 14:56 |
| Afdal | Aha, I knew I wasn't crazy. My Xfce IS missing some menu icons now! | 15:04 |
| Afdal | The little icons by Maximize, Minimize, and Close for example | 15:04 |
| Afdal | those seem to have been lost in the Chimaera upgrade | 15:05 |
| Afdal | Is this more GTK shenanigans? | 15:05 |
| hyrcanus | perhaps it's missing a theme | 15:05 |
| Afdal | Doesn't seem to matter what icon theme I pick, they're all missing em | 15:07 |
| hyrcanus | try the xfce themes, not icon themes | 15:14 |
| Afdal | You mean styles? | 15:19 |
| Afdal | Tried those too | 15:19 |
| Afdal | within xfce4-appearance-settings | 15:20 |
| jagosix | Hello People | 16:44 |
| jagosix | I need some help. | 16:44 |
| fling | Hi! Try asking. | 16:45 |
| jagosix | I just installed devuan Chimera 4.0 and it's not picking up my scanner. | 16:45 |
| hyrcanus | the scanner scanner didn't scan | 16:46 |
| jagosix | I had linux mint 20.2 and it worked fine. In Devuan , The scan app doesn't even recognize the scanner. | 16:46 |
| golinux | Afdal: Do you have desktop-base installed? | 16:47 |
| golinux | See this thread: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=15085 | 16:48 |
| jagosix | I have the Cinnamon desktop of Devuan installed. So, yes. When I run lsusb it shows the scanner make and model. | 16:48 |
| golinux | fsmithred fixed those linkages so should be working. | 16:49 |
| jagosix | Any suggestions? I also have a fi6230, It picks it up no problem. However,it doesn't utilize the ADS 2700. | 16:52 |
| jagosix | Hello.. Anyone..? | 16:55 |
| hyrcanus | jagosix: i don't have that hardware | 16:56 |
| jagosix | I understand. The OS seems to be clean. I just need this to work with it. | 16:58 |
| gnarface | jagosix: did you try the xfconf-query thing from that forum thread? the only other thing i could think of is if you installed the vendor's drivers for the scanner from somewhere outside of the devuan repos, there is some small chance they could have been left behind during the upgrade | 18:48 |
| gnarface | and if the package was fixed after you initially installed it, you might have to manually tell it to reinstall to regenerate the configs | 18:49 |
| gnarface | you might want to reinstall desktop-base too | 18:49 |
| gnarface | just to be sure | 18:49 |
| gnarface | there's also the possibility that in-repo packages are missing from non-free that mint includes automatically but debian and devuan do not | 18:50 |
| gnarface | you should be able to check the installed package list in mint for those | 18:50 |
| gnarface | mint might also use a different kernel package, i'm not sure, so that's suspect as well (if it were debian, i know for sure the kernel packages are the same on x86) | 18:51 |
| Afdal | What version of Xfce did Beowulf use | 20:04 |
| Afdal | Wanna track the Xfce version change here | 20:04 |
| Afdal | Was it 4.12 or 4.14? | 20:04 |
| hyrcanus | i could boot up a beowulf device if you can't find it | 20:04 |
| hyrcanus | i think 4.14 | 20:05 |
| Afdal | hard to find for some reason | 20:05 |
| hyrcanus | sec | 20:05 |
| DPA | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=xfce4&x=submit | 20:05 |
| Afdal | aha, thank you | 20:06 |
| gnarface | jagosix: oh, make sure you have proper permissions too, since mint probably munges those for you as well | 20:06 |
| golinux | Afdal: Did you see the link I left for you above? | 20:32 |
| golinux | https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=15085 | 20:32 |
| golinux | That will fix your menu items | 20:33 |
| Afdal | No, but check this out | 20:33 |
| Afdal | https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/-/commit/8a16ca2e6b49679b4d217032d9bcf56692f51218 | 20:33 |
| Afdal | it's an actual official change | 20:33 |
| Afdal | what in the heckity hecks | 20:33 |
| Afdal | Xfce is not the DE I expect radical edgy design changes like this >:( | 20:34 |
| Afdal | Ah yeah, and my problem isn't missing icons in the application menu | 20:35 |
| Afdal | it's missing icons on the universal window menu | 20:35 |
| golinux | Yeah the latest is a bit screwed up. They went GTK3 | 20:35 |
| Afdal | because some joker removed them deliberately >:( | 20:35 |
| golinux | You have to recreate a file. Read that post. | 20:35 |
| golinux | Not the path to it has changed. | 20:35 |
| golinux | -t | 20:35 |
| Afdal | that fix is for applications menu icons though | 20:36 |
| golinux | A fresh install displays them properly (or should0> | 20:36 |
| Afdal | I want my window menu icons back | 20:36 |
| golinux | Read the post. That's all I can say . . . | 20:36 |
| Afdal | I did... | 20:37 |
| DPA | Have you seen the CSD in xfce4-settings-manager yet? | 20:39 |
| DPA | Awful, isn't it? | 20:39 |
| Afdal | CSD? | 20:39 |
| DPA | Client-Side Decorations | 20:40 |
| DPA | This is when the application decides how th borders look like, instead of your WM. | 20:40 |
| Afdal | eww it looks like a MATE or Cinnamon app | 20:41 |
| DPA | Yes... | 20:41 |
| golinux | There is a noscd package | 20:41 |
| golinux | nocsd that is | 20:42 |
| golinux | I also understand there is something like a "classic" option. | 20:42 |
| DPA | I never got that working satisfyingly. It can help get the WM border back, but the awful other border tends to stay too. | 20:43 |
| golinux | https://pkgihttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=nocsd*&x=submitnfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=nocsd*&x=submit | 20:44 |
| golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=nocsd*&x=submit | 20:44 |
| golinux | (my mouse wants to do double pastes these days. | 20:44 |
| golinux | ) | 20:44 |
| golinux | I've had nocsd since ascii. Also to get the visible scroll bar back. | 20:45 |
| peterrooney | nocsd rules. The hiding scrollbar is a most revealing test of patience and civility. When I first encountered it, I spent a while looking for a rendering problem. Why would I think to operate a control that I could not tell was there? | 20:51 |
| hyrcanus | since when does the WM handle an application's scrollbar? | 20:53 |
| hyrcanus | i apologize for offtopic confusion | 20:53 |
| DPA | It gives the old border back. But the CSD border is still there: https://temp-s.s.abrecht.li/Screenshot%20from%202021-10-25%2020-51-23.png | 20:54 |
| DPA | 2 title bars. That's just not nice. | 20:59 |
| jagosix | gnarface - Thanks I will check on those suggestions in a minute. | 21:14 |
| gour | evening. has chimaera got some runit updates or is it still safer to use sysvinit? (i plan to use ceres)) | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | several people have been using runit in chimaera or ceres for most of this year | 21:21 |
| jagosix | ok | 21:21 |
| hyrcanus | isn't there some way to get xterm to show your current font? | 21:21 |
| gnarface | gour: i think you might still run into isolated cases of missing init scripts for certain services, but people have been using it successfully | 21:21 |
| hyrcanus | this no workee XTerm*faceName: "-unscii-unscii-medium-r-normal-full-16-160-75-75-c-80-iso10646-1" | 21:21 |
| hyrcanus | uxterm -fn works tho | 21:22 |
| gnarface | hyrcanus: uxterm is a completely different piece of software that you should probably use instead unless you have a good reason to use xterm specifically | 21:23 |
| hyrcanus | uxterm is xterm | 21:23 |
| hyrcanus | urxvt is different software | 21:23 |
| hyrcanus | unless i'm mistaken | 21:23 |
| gnarface | you're right i misread that as urxvt but my advice still stands | 21:24 |
| hyrcanus | can you rephrase your advice please? | 21:25 |
| gnarface | xterm is certainly faster but only because it has less features. | 21:25 |
| gnarface | i'd advise you just skip it and use urxvt | 21:25 |
| hyrcanus | ok thanks | 21:25 |
| gnarface | xterm's primary value is it provides reliable emulation of several obsolete hardware terminals that don't even support custom fonts | 21:26 |
| gnarface | (or non-latin1 character sets, for that matter) | 21:26 |
| hyrcanus | to the issue i raised, i suspect the faceName in xresources is not the canonical x fontname | 21:27 |
| hyrcanus | .Xresources | 21:28 |
| gnarface | you have a .Xresources defined? | 21:28 |
| gnarface | you might have inherited that from an earlier release or a different distro entirely | 21:29 |
| hyrcanus | yes | 21:29 |
| gnarface | that might explain the font-name mismatch | 21:29 |
| gnarface | also, it might be that you're just missing whatever base font package it refers to | 21:29 |
| gnarface | there's tons of font packages but none of them are installed by default in a minimal system | 21:29 |
| gnarface | depending on how old of a system you're upgrading from there's also a real old bug where you could have all the fonts but you need to rebuild the index manually (i think just by calling fontconfig once?) | 21:30 |
| hyrcanus | fonts are complicated | 21:31 |
| hyrcanus | i had to xset +fp ~/.fonts | 21:32 |
| hyrcanus | there's also fc-cache for fontconfig, which is a system on top of it | 21:32 |
| hyrcanus | the annoying thing is i'm not getting every glyph the font supports in uxterm or urxvt | 21:33 |
| gnarface | well, this Xresources stuff was all set up before TrueType fonts came to Linux, and when they did, I think a lot of desktop programs started supporting those and started ignoring Xresources stuff entirely, so it's not a surprise to me if you've found a bug here | 21:33 |
| gnarface | but missing glyphs in urxvt usually is just a symptom of missing fonts | 21:33 |
| hyrcanus | http://0x0.st/inCN.txt testpattern for the new-ish unicode 13 block drawing fonts | 21:33 |
| gnarface | the only thing i've seen it do wrong is mixed-width characters | 21:34 |
| hyrcanus | unscii has the glyphs. i suspect there's an issue with unicode 13 additions | 21:34 |
| gnarface | but it still displays them, just at the same width as the rest of the characters | 21:34 |
| gnarface | hmm. which fonts do you have installed? | 21:34 |
| gnarface | do you have some fonts from the correct locale installed? note that many utf8 fonts are still missing non-latin language character glyphs | 21:35 |
| hyrcanus | http://viznut.fi/unscii/ here is a font that handles them properly | 21:36 |
| gnarface | if it's just a few characters missing from the most recent unicode version that's not a surprise, but if you're missing entire alphabets of kanji and cyrillic then you're missing fonts | 21:36 |
| gnarface | - fonts or locales | 21:36 |
| gnarface | do make sure you've built in the correct locales too | 21:37 |
| hyrcanus | i'm interested inthe classic text drawing fonts from old computers | 21:37 |
| hyrcanus | ok | 21:37 |
| gnarface | "dpkg-reconfigure locales" | 21:37 |
| gnarface | (none of this will work if you didn't have the locales package installed) | 21:37 |
| hyrcanus | good info, ty gnarface | 21:37 |
| gnarface | np | 21:38 |
| hyrcanus | an interesting browser plugin might be 'install downloadable fonts to system' | 21:39 |
| hyrcanus | i get the viznut.fi displaying properly in browser, but not terminal, despite using the unscii font in terminal | 21:39 |
| gnarface | i think that's a horrifically bad idea security-wise, but note that firefox has its own native support for unicode now in order to dodge emoji compatibility issues (*cough* preserve apple/android branding cross-platform *cough*) | 21:40 |
| hyrcanus | ah i ignored this: "NOTE: Due to format limitations, the PCF versions lack all the characters above U+FFFF! | 21:40 |
| hyrcanus | need to use ttf | 21:40 |
| gnarface | oh you were trying this without truetype fonts | 21:40 |
| gnarface | i guess you did say that | 21:40 |
| gnarface | i'm actually not sure we even have non-truetype unicode fonts | 21:41 |
| hyrcanus | utf8 does work up to 4bytes | 21:41 |
| hyrcanus | wondering whether to download the ttf, orf or woff | 21:41 |
| hyrcanus | *otf | 21:41 |
| gnarface | try this: apt-cache search '^(ttf-|fonts-)' | 21:43 |
| gnarface | or maybe better yet: apt-cache search '^(ttf-|fonts-)' |less | 21:43 |
| hyrcanus | that's a lot | 21:43 |
| gnarface | you don't need all of them | 21:43 |
| hyrcanus | apparently there are none for otf-|fonts- | 21:44 |
| gnarface | hmm, i'm only looking in ceres, i see some in ceres | 21:45 |
| gnarface | also i see a ton of fonts- ones | 21:45 |
| hyrcanus | ah yes | 21:45 |
| gnarface | maybe run "apt-get update" first? | 21:45 |
| hyrcanus | $ apt-cache search font |grep otf | 21:45 |
| gnarface | careful don't paste a lot of lines in here you might get auto-kicked | 21:46 |
| gnarface | fonts-johnsmith-induni - OTF fonts with exhaustive set of Roman characters | 21:46 |
| gnarface | i see this package notably | 21:46 |
| gnarface | and fonts-stix | 21:46 |
| gnarface | and otf-trace | 21:46 |
| gnarface | otf2bdf might also be useful, this says it generates some other bitmap font from otf fonts, maybe you can convert that to truetype or something | 21:47 |
| hyrcanus | truetype tends to render slow on my arm sbc | 21:53 |
| hyrcanus | i usually stick with bitmap and no AA | 21:54 |
| gnarface | fair enough, if you're running this on a sbc mabye there is some value to figuring out what's wrong with xterm then, but i think making it render unicode right might still be beyond it | 21:56 |
| gnarface | https://www.enlightenment.org/about-terminology.md | 21:57 |
| gnarface | this might be interesting to you though | 21:57 |
| gnarface | i think it was designed with sbc performance concerns in mind, as a replacement for a X environment instead of an add-on to it | 21:57 |
| gnarface | never it myself though, so i don't know much about it other than that | 21:58 |
| gnarface | seems like your use case might be something they had in mind though | 21:58 |
| gnarface | (note that clicking on the above link will tell you about a terminal emulator called Terminology, which is made by the same crew that makes enlightenment - it will not just link you to unrelated enlightenment terminology as the url seems to imply) | 22:01 |
| hyrcanus | have terminology installed | 22:02 |
| hyrcanus | i wonder where i could chat with viznut - his .ttf and .otf render all wrong | 22:14 |
| hyrcanus | and this doesn't work | 22:19 |
| hyrcanus | urxvt -fn "-fontforge-unscii-medium-r-normal--8-50-120-120-p-80-winroman-0" | 22:19 |
| hyrcanus | while this does | 22:19 |
| hyrcanus | uxterm -fn "-fontforge-unscii-medium-r-normal--8-50-120-120-p-80-winroman-0" | 22:19 |
| hyrcanus | wlel gnarface it looks like termit can do the utf-8 over 5 bytes per character | 22:58 |
| hyrcanus | kitty can also | 22:59 |
| hyrcanus | terminology also but it has bad rendering problems with panfrost drivers | 23:00 |
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