| * golinux runs 32 bit. | 00:06 | |
| chozorho | I mean, sure, 32-bit is actually a more beautiful architecture imo, but none of my current computers run it. And I have a lot of computers... | 01:22 |
|---|---|---|
| * blockhead needs 32-bit for wine and stuff | 01:23 | |
| Tenkawa | blockhead: yeah I think steam still uses 32bit too | 01:23 |
| blockhead | nice to run pc games in wine in devuan :) | 01:24 |
| adhoc | morning all | 01:47 |
| adhoc | wondering if folks using containers/docker | 01:48 |
| adhoc | have used pbraun9/devuan-svr4 ? | 01:48 |
| adhoc | looking to migrate off debian/ubuntu containers to something ... slimmer | 01:48 |
| adhoc | if not pbraun9/devuan-svr4, any recommendations | 01:49 |
| hyrc | containers are the band-aid for 'my OS is broken now' | 01:49 |
| hyrc | you probably also take gene-jabs | 01:51 |
| adhoc | hyrc: containers, sure. | 01:51 |
| adhoc | but right tool for this specific job. | 01:51 |
| adhoc | by "gene-jabs" do you mean vaccinations? | 01:52 |
| blockhead | lol at "gene-jabs" | 01:52 |
| * blockhead isn't sure | 01:52 | |
| gnarface | linux-vservers is slim but a little rough on support for devuan (no official packages) | 01:52 |
| adhoc | gnarface: so kernel 4.9.x... | 01:54 |
| golinux | adhoc: There are "unofficial" docker images available from Dyne mentioned in the Chimaera release notes | 01:56 |
| golinux | http://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/Release_notes.txt | 01:56 |
| adhoc | ta | 01:58 |
| adhoc | hmm .. the compressed size is pretty big | 02:01 |
| adhoc | are the folks that work on those in this channel much ? | 02:01 |
| gnarface | dunno about docker, for linux-vservers you can ask in #vserver on OFTC | 02:02 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | hello, | 02:03 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | How do I install the gtk2 version of gvim in Devuan 4? | 02:03 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | vim-gtk has been replaced with a transitional package pointing to vim-gtk3 | 02:04 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i don't want gtk3 | 02:04 |
| blockhead | gtk is icky | 02:04 |
| blockhead | gtk3 is icky | 02:04 |
| blockhead | rather | 02:04 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | apt install vim-gtk used to work fine in devuan 3 | 02:04 |
| golinux | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: You will be assimilated. https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ | 02:05 |
| golinux | Please take discussion of that to OT | 02:05 |
| gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: there's always vim-nox | 02:05 |
| * blockhead sorries | 02:05 | |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i'm using vim-nox as well, but there are times when i need to open up a text file via spacefm | 02:05 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | for some quick editing | 02:06 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | being able to have a fully working mouse is useful | 02:06 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and good X clipboard integration | 02:06 |
| * CAPTCHA_REQUIRED reads golinux's link | 02:07 | |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | golinux, what was the purpose of linking that to me? | 02:14 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | while it is certainly comfortable knowing others are expericing the same issues with gtk3, my goal isn't to use gtk3 so i don't need convincing not to. I'm just trying to get graphical vim working with gtk2 like it was in beowulf | 02:18 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | find out what i need to do in order to do that | 02:18 |
| golinux | Rewrite the applications that use it for GTK2 | 02:21 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's already written for gtk2 | 02:22 |
| golinux | Just about everything will fall into the GTK3 tar pit eventually. | 02:22 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | did you read that i said it was working in beowulf? | 02:22 |
| golinux | Well them use that version | 02:22 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | uhm | 02:23 |
| golinux | from beowulf in perpetuity. | 02:23 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no i need things in devuan 4 and I ulready ran dist-upgrade | 02:23 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | that doesn't really solve my problem | 02:24 |
| golinux | > CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: You will be assimilated. | 02:24 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | what? | 02:24 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no | 02:25 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I said: | 02:25 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | How do I install the gtk2 version of gvim in Devuan 4? | 02:25 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | vim-gtk has been replaced with a transitional package pointing to vim-gtk3 | 02:25 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i don't want gtk3 | 02:25 |
| gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: you'd have to compile the old vim-gtk and all its dependencies | 02:26 |
| gnarface | (some might need patches to work with the current glibc now, i dunno) | 02:26 |
| golinux | Or rewrite the interface for GTK2 | 02:26 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | gnarface, I am pretty sure it's just a build flag. Is there a way I can download the source to the vim-gtk3 package so that i can probably use that as a base to build a replacement vim-gtk2 package? | 02:27 |
| gnarface | sure, "apt-get update && apt-get source vim-gtk3" | 02:27 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | huh, ok | 02:27 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | is there documentation on how to build source packages? | 02:28 |
| gnarface | probably all over the place, i recommend dpkg-buildpackage | 02:28 |
| blockhead | the readme in each package | 02:28 |
| gnarface | yea that too | 02:29 |
| gnarface | chapters 6-8 of the debian new maintainer's guide | 02:29 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | ooh! there's a debian new maintainer's guide | 02:29 |
| gnarface | it's got a lot of fluff, skip the first 5 chapters | 02:29 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | does it also cover how to get this into contrib so nobody else has to deal with this ounce i figure it out? | 02:29 |
| gnarface | it does actually | 02:30 |
| gnarface | i think the earlier chapters deal with that actually | 02:30 |
| gnarface | i think there was some work towards making package building docs specific to devuan too... | 02:31 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | that would be good | 02:32 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | ok, this is really bizzare, vim-gtk3 is actually...well the source code to it rather, is a metapackage of just vim | 02:32 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | $ apt source vim-gtk3 | 02:32 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | Reading package lists... Done | 02:32 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | Picking 'vim' as source package instead of 'vim-gtk3' | 02:32 |
| fluffywolf | that's very typical with source packages. | 02:33 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | ls | 02:33 |
| gnarface | yea, there isn't a 1:1 ratio between source and binary packages, it's normal for several different binary packages to come from one source package | 02:33 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | there's a microsoft windows batch file in here | 02:33 |
| gnarface | for what? | 02:34 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | vimtutor.bat | 02:34 |
| gnarface | hmm, there are win32 builds of vim, they didn't used to be official but maybe now there is one? | 02:35 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it seems to check if vim is installed on windows and if so, launched vimtutor.txt with it | 02:35 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | > 63 ECHO Check your installation or re-run install.exe | 02:35 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | oh yeah that's it. sorry, it looks like it didn't unpack the actual package source code, just vim's source itself. It looks like i've got some reading to do on debian packaging so i'll have to start with that first | 02:37 |
| gnarface | the configuration is in the ./debian/ directory | 02:38 |
| gnarface | it might just have multiple commands to build the different packages, i'm not sure | 02:38 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | there is no hidden .debian folder in there. Just too compressed tarballs and a folder with vim's source and a dsc file | 02:39 |
| gnarface | no not .debian, there should be a actual ./debian directory in the source root directory | 02:40 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | there's a tarball with debian in the name, but it didn't auto-decompress with apt source | 02:41 |
| gnarface | you sure | 02:42 |
| gnarface | ? | 02:42 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i figured i'd do some reading before decompressing it manually myself, in case there's a special procedure | 02:42 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | yeah hold on | 02:42 |
| gnarface | it might not have all extracted into the same top-level directory | 02:42 |
| gnarface | usually what happens is a few things download, extract, then auto-patch | 02:42 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | gnarface, see here https://f.perl.bot/p/agkfm8 | 02:43 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | for yourself | 02:43 |
| gnarface | i'm definitely not going to click on that, i'll have to take your word for it | 02:43 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | wha? that's fine, but are you scared of the link or something? | 02:44 |
| gnarface | either way the actual vim source should still be the right place | 02:44 |
| gnarface | i was pretty sure it auto-extracts though | 02:44 |
| Xenguy | mmm, vim | 02:45 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | > i'm definitely not going to click on that | 02:45 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | gnarface, why the emphasis? | 02:45 |
| Tenkawa | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: use proper paste sites like paste.debian.net | 02:46 |
| Xenguy | $ pom | 02:46 |
| Xenguy | The Moon is Waning Crescent (11% of Full) | 02:46 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | Tenkawa, what makes f.perl.bot improper? | 02:46 |
| gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: it's a really bad practice to click on random links you don't recognize, and yes, i'm afraid of them and you should be too | 02:46 |
| Tenkawa | that has potential script hazard written all over it | 02:46 |
| * blockhead uses links (the program) for potentally dodgy links | 02:47 | |
| Tenkawa | blockhead: or curl it to a file and vi lol | 02:48 |
| Xenguy | Nice text browser, and there is elinks too | 02:48 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no that sounds like unjustified over-paranoia of a windows user suffering from PTSD from driveby activex downloads. You should disable javascript by default if your worried about that (i do that with the nmatrix plugin) instead of calling sites you don't recognize improper | 02:48 |
| blockhead | oh hell, get hardcore and xxd it | 02:48 |
| Tenkawa | Xenguy: yeah I use elinks a lot too | 02:48 |
| * blockhead was serious about using links, though | 02:48 | |
| * Xenguy still sometimes uses a text browser ... | 02:49 | |
| Tenkawa | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: no. thats called 25 years of working in I.T. security before I retired | 02:49 |
| Xenguy | Why not | 02:49 |
| gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: lol, i seriously question your judgment if you think that is gonna get me to click on it | 02:49 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | gnarface, don't click on it it doesn't matter it was only to prove | 02:49 |
| gnarface | look if it isn't working i can't help anyway, i've never built that package | 02:50 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | Tenkawa, you should make an effort to understand why things have security issues and make decisions based on that instead of cargo-culting | 02:50 |
| Tenkawa | anyhow.. you're going to have a bigger dependency problem building the pkg | 02:50 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | why? have you attempted this very thing before? | 02:51 |
| Tenkawa | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: hundreds of times | 02:51 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no i mean with vim specificlly | 02:51 |
| Tenkawa | no but with much more complicated packages and simpler ones | 02:52 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | ok | 02:52 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | thanks for the heads up | 02:52 |
| Tenkawa | I cant remember them all... the first thing you need to do is find the src dev revision you want in "devuan" | 02:53 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | is it worth it learning the debian packaging process for things like these or would it be worth it more to just install it overtop of the system like in classical unix 'make install' | 02:53 |
| Tenkawa | if you get a debian/unchanged deb-src you might run into systemd issues even with an editor.. unlikely but possible | 02:54 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | wtf your not serious? editor depending on systemd? | 02:54 |
| Tenkawa | let me look.. just a sec | 02:54 |
| Tenkawa | which vim pkg.. full, tiny, basic? | 02:55 |
| Tenkawa | vim has like 30 different possible configs | 02:56 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | vim-gtk3 | 02:57 |
| Tenkawa | yeah thats got a lot of cascading dependencies.. let me see what the build-deps are | 02:58 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | do i have to install all of he dependencies for each version just to build one varient? | 02:59 |
| Tenkawa | no but you do have to install the build-deps | 03:00 |
| Tenkawa | just a sec | 03:00 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | yeah, i knew it. it's just a stupid build flag switch. gtk2 version is still supported upstream 73 GTK3FLAGS = --enable-gui=gtk3 | 03:01 |
| Tenkawa | the "easiest" way to try to see if this will work | 03:01 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | wow | 03:01 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | looks like there's an athena and motif version too | 03:01 |
| Tenkawa | yep | 03:02 |
| gnarface | sweet | 03:02 |
| Tenkawa | theres a ton of stuff for vim | 03:02 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | yeah. It really bugs me that debian just removed the ability to build with those flags. doesn't seem like there's a technical reason for it's removal, just political | 03:02 |
| Tenkawa | no no.. you can | 03:03 |
| Tenkawa | you can specify those right on the dpkg-buildpackage line | 03:03 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | Tenkawa, howso? | 03:03 |
| Tenkawa | I'd have to go dig up my build scripts | 03:04 |
| Tenkawa | you going to be here tomorrow? | 03:04 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | hmm. tenatively yes | 03:04 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | probably in the afternoon PST | 03:04 |
| Tenkawa | I'm here all day Eastern | 03:05 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | ok then most likely yes | 03:05 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | vim-athena depends on ruby for some reason, but there's a binary package available | 03:05 |
| hyrc | sometimes things get removed because 'too much support headaches' | 03:06 |
| Tenkawa | ok.. I'll stop by and we'll try to work on iyt | 03:06 |
| Tenkawa | er it | 03:06 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | thanks | 03:06 |
| Tenkawa | np | 03:07 |
| Tenkawa | I'm just sitting around doing builds for my pi's tomorrow | 03:07 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i'm working tomorrow but sometimes i have a lot of free time if there's no tickets to work on | 03:08 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | so just something worth noting. the vim-athena debian package has a bug where it doesn't have a font it depends on in the depencies | 03:11 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | starts up with E665: Cannot start GUI, no valid font found | 03:11 |
| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no idea what font it's trying to load, but xfonts-base doesn't contain it apparently | 03:13 |
| adhoc | golinux: i see util-vserver was in beowulf but dropped from chimeara | 06:39 |
| gnarface | adhoc: i'm not golinux | 07:32 |
| gnarface | i thought it had been dropped even longer ago than that, anyway | 07:32 |
| adhoc | gnarface: oops, sorry golinux | 09:42 |
| adhoc | ok... kernel versions numbers were quite dated. | 09:43 |
| adhoc | anyhow, i found something suitable | 09:43 |
| adhoc | thanks for you help. | 09:43 |
| ham5urg__ | Is it correct that the most recent versions of Gnome and KDE won't be X-compatible anymore, just Wayland? So these packages won't be in coming Devuan-repositories? | 10:31 |
| ShorTie | how can i make this work ?? | 11:12 |
| ShorTie | trying to overwrite '/etc/grub.d/40_custom', which is also in package grub-common 2.04-20 | 11:12 |
| GyrosGeier | oof | 11:20 |
| GyrosGeier | you're trying to move a conffile between packages? | 11:21 |
| ShorTie | trying to make a custom grub entry | 11:22 |
| GyrosGeier | ah | 11:23 |
| GyrosGeier | the 40_custom file is for the admin to add custom entries | 11:23 |
| GyrosGeier | if you are building a package, you add an extra file | 11:24 |
| GyrosGeier | you can use the same "tail" trick if it's static, or generate the entry if it's not | 11:25 |
| DPA | ham5urg__: I don't know about that, but it's possible to use wayland things such as weston or sway on devuan. | 11:25 |
| GyrosGeier | also, with modern hardware, you really want Wayland | 11:27 |
| ham5urg__ | Wayland? No. | 11:27 |
| DPA | I don't like it either. It may be more efficient, but it fails to provide anything. With X11, you only need to implement what you need. WM or Compositor or even nothing is enough. With wayland, you have to implement dozends of protocols yourself to make things work acceptably at all. | 11:29 |
| DPA | I can write a WM for X. But it takes too much time to write a full compositor for wayland. | 11:31 |
| ShorTie | how do i "generate the entry" ?? | 11:32 |
| GyrosGeier | ShorTie, the files in /etc/grub.d are shell scripts that output grub configuration fragments | 11:32 |
| GyrosGeier | that's why 40_custom begins with "tail +3 $0" | 11:33 |
| GyrosGeier | basically, it just dumps the contents of the file without the comment and the command to stdout | 11:33 |
| GyrosGeier | if you need some detection logic to find how the entry should look like, then you write it as a script there and write the entry to stdout | 11:34 |
| ShorTie | hmmm, ok | 11:36 |
| ShorTie | Thankz | 11:36 |
| DPA | "#!/usr/bin/tail -n+2" | 11:36 |
| DPA | Saves one line, and doesn't need sh | 11:37 |
| GyrosGeier | it's going to be called from a shell script anyway | 11:38 |
| DPA | Although since # is a comment anyway, "#!/usr/bin/cat" would also work. | 11:38 |
| ham5urg__ | Does the repository provide an language-server-protocol server? | 12:18 |
| Tenkawa | greetings all | 15:43 |
| hyrc | are vte based terminal emulators or rxvt worthy of the name ? surprise perhaps https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html | 17:49 |
| hyrc | vte based terminal emulators support under 1/2 the vt220 control codes | 17:49 |
| gnarface | take it to offtopic unless you have a related support issue. nobody cares about your lame attempt to start a flame war over a deprecated terminal protocol | 17:55 |
| gnarface | -> #devuan-offtopic | 17:55 |
| hyrc | i'd like to get unicode 13 in uxterm | 18:13 |
| hyrc | can you help gnarface ? | 18:13 |
| gnarface | i don't think so, unless the suggestion to use urxvt instead works | 18:19 |
| gnarface | but i think this has come up recently and it was discovered that some key unicode 13 features are missing everywhere still | 18:19 |
| gnarface | that was a couple days ago so maybe check to see if they've patched support into something in backports or unstable yet | 18:20 |
| gnarface | even if you can find a patch or updated source tarball from upstream you might be able to build it yourself, but it might still be easier to just wait | 18:23 |
| Tenkawa | at this point wouldn't you want to target Unicode 14 since its been ratified or is there something "specific" in Unicode 13 you want? | 18:34 |
| * gnarface doesn't know | 18:35 | |
| Tenkawa | Unicode 14.0 is the version of the Unicode Standard released on September 14, 2021. | 18:35 |
| Tenkawa | gnarface: yeah that was directed at hyac | 18:35 |
| hyrc | it seems xterm balks at utf8 > 4 bytes per char | 18:36 |
| hyrc | libvte can do them | 18:36 |
| Tenkawa | hyrc: note above question | 18:36 |
| hyrc | there are specific glyphs that were added in 13, which i want | 18:37 |
| hyrc | they're in some range unavailable to xterm | 18:37 |
| Tenkawa | (01:34:26 PM) Tenkawa - Libera: at this point wouldn't you want to target Unicode 14 since its been ratified or is there something "specific" in Unicode 13 you want? | 18:37 |
| Tenkawa | Unicode 13 isnt the standard anymore... 14 is | 18:37 |
| hyrc | i have tried to answer your question. | 18:37 |
| hyrc | then unicode 14 | 18:38 |
| Tenkawa | ok.. that makes it easier I think | 18:38 |
| Tenkawa | let me look at something | 18:38 |
| Tenkawa | uxterm is obsolete | 18:43 |
| Tenkawa | Nowadays uxterm is pretty much obsolete, but 15 years ago UTF-8 locales were rather esoteric, and the uxterm wrapper allowed people to easily test them without changing their normal environment. If you already use a UTF-8 locale like almost everyone does these days, uxterm is not needed or useful. | 18:43 |
| Tenkawa | just found a reference in mailing list for it | 18:43 |
| Tenkawa | if your locales are set up right you don't need it | 18:43 |
| hyrc | ah ty | 18:45 |
| Tenkawa | in your env output is LANG LANGUAGE and LC_ALL set? | 18:45 |
| Tenkawa | those you need set | 18:45 |
| hyrc | utf below 4-bytes works | 18:46 |
| hyrc | utf up to 4-bytes works | 18:46 |
| hyrc | ▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█ < these do 🮆🮅🮄🮃🮂 < these dont | 18:48 |
| Tenkawa | did you check those env vars? | 18:49 |
| hyrc | LANG and LANGUAGE are en_US.UTF-8, LC_ALL unset | 18:49 |
| Tenkawa | and also regenerate the locales too and make sure they are updated... they get unselected randomly occasionally for odd reasons | 18:50 |
| Tenkawa | dpkg-reconfigure locales | 18:50 |
| hyrc | thanks but that's not the problem | 18:50 |
| hyrc | do you run xterm and can see these chars? | 18:50 |
| hyrc | http://viznut.fi/unscii/ | 18:50 |
| Tenkawa | I use all of mine headless | 18:50 |
| Tenkawa | this machine is a debian custom build laptop so the locales on it are generated differently | 18:51 |
| hyrc | thanks for the suggestion. i'll report if i find the solution | 18:51 |
| bb|hcb | hyrc: Maybe you are not aware but some time back (1y+) gnome dropped bitmapped font support... | 21:27 |
| critr | so usermod is in /usr/sbin now. hm. | 21:28 |
| rrq | been there since "jessie" | 21:36 |
| Tenkawa | critr: /sbin was deprecated at that time | 21:52 |
| Tenkawa | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Aug 2 10:50 /sbin -> usr/sbin | 21:52 |
| Tenkawa | bb|hcb: good info | 21:53 |
| user____ | Is there anything Gnome did not drop in the past 10 years, and still "dropping"? | 21:58 |
| Librecat | Hi why should i use devuan over debian are there other advantages than supporting other init systems? | 22:16 |
| Librecat | i use gentoo and really like openrc so dont need to convince me about init freedom | 22:16 |
| Librecat | also i am migrating my laptop to devuan | 22:17 |
| Librecat | what can i expect after migration? | 22:17 |
| critr | Librecat, you can expect pretty much just debian without systemd. | 22:20 |
| Librecat | what makes you hate systemd so much you created a different distro with branding and all | 22:21 |
| Librecat | yeah redhat is trying to take control of linux but at the end of the day its an open source project | 22:22 |
| Librecat | anyway maybe its a good thing that devuan isnt special | 22:24 |
| Librecat | its not like mx linux with a bunch of backports that make it a huge pain to upgrade from release to release | 22:24 |
| gnarface | Librecat: it's not a support issue, it's flame bait. take it to #devuan-offtopic | 22:28 |
| gnarface | if you run into issues upgrading, people can help you here | 22:29 |
| gnarface | yea, i'm totally sure that was just an "organic" question | 22:29 |
| Librecat | sorry:( | 22:30 |
| Librecat | right now running the first apt upgrade | 22:31 |
| gnarface | oh i thought you rage quit | 22:31 |
| Librecat | nope the irc client i have on my android phone is garbage | 22:31 |
| gnarface | anyway, people can help you here if you run into upgrade issues, chimaera is still kinda new here | 22:31 |
| Librecat | ok upgrade done | 22:32 |
| Librecat | uhmmm "Yes do as i say" came up | 22:32 |
| Librecat | oh its just systemd | 22:33 |
| Librecat | bye bye kde :( | 22:33 |
| gnarface | it is normal for it to want to uninstall a bunch of debian packages, after the upgrade you can reinstall kde from the devaun repos | 22:34 |
| Librecat | hope it doesnt crash midway | 22:34 |
| Librecat | if it does i am planning to switch to a tty do dpkg-reconfigure -a and keep on with the eudev install | 22:34 |
| gnarface | just make sure you still have a kernel before you reboot | 22:35 |
| Librecat | it didnt uninstall the kernel i think but i will install one before the reboot step | 22:36 |
| bb|hcb | if you add sysvinit-core after eudev, you will skip the Yes do as I say prompt... | 22:36 |
| bb|hcb | I suppose you migrate from Debian? | 22:36 |
| Librecat | yes | 22:36 |
| Librecat | from bullseye | 22:36 |
| Librecat | also i wanna use openrc | 22:37 |
| Librecat | oof i have a problem it refused to remove systemd | 22:39 |
| gnarface | did it say why? | 22:39 |
| * blockhead hands Librecat a loaded shotgun :p | 22:39 | |
| Librecat | actually the wiki says what to do i need to reboot | 22:40 |
| Librecat | hopefully i dont get a brick | 22:40 |
| gnarface | if you do you can still fix it with a live image | 22:40 |
| bb|hcb | on the step 'apt install eudev', use 'apt install eudev sysvinit-core' instead; afterwards switch to openrc (I have no idea how) | 22:41 |
| Librecat | hmm maybe chroot from initramfs? | 22:42 |
| gnarface | after the finished upgrade is bootable you should have no problems installing openrc | 22:43 |
| Librecat | ok i did it | 22:43 |
| Librecat | apt install sysvinit-core | 22:43 |
| Librecat | apt install openrc | 22:43 |
| Librecat | i also installed an extra kernel just incase | 22:43 |
| gnarface | unlike the gentoo one, the debian openrc still relies on sysvinit scripts, don't get confused | 22:43 |
| Librecat | yes even runit does | 22:43 |
| golinux | Did you look at this page before starting the process? https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera | 22:44 |
| Librecat | yes i was reading and copying from that | 22:45 |
| bb|hcb | I did that migration several times recently and with the above change it was smooth | 22:45 |
| bb|hcb | With the change above | 22:45 |
| Librecat | wow i installed i3 just to try it out and it launched because i set up autologin on sddm! | 22:45 |
| golinux | Librecat gets a gold star for actually reading documentation! | 22:47 |
| Librecat | are there any plans to port initscripts from gentoo and void? | 22:50 |
| bb|hcb | golinux: I was going to propose a change there but it is best to be conditional for sysvinit/openrc/runit, and I have no idea what is the proper way for the other two | 22:51 |
| golinux | bb|hcb: Feel free to propose any improvements or alternate methods. | 22:53 |
| gnarface | Librecat: i don't know about official plans but there's an unofficial build of the gentoo-style openrc setup floating around here somewhere, and i think it was discovered you can alter the existing package to do the same thing with a symlink | 22:54 |
| gnarface | or maybe just a simple file rename | 22:54 |
| gnarface | then in theory you could copy all the gentoo scripts over bulk, but you might have to fix some paths and stuff | 22:54 |
| Librecat | im especially intrested in void linux initscripts because they are so lightning fast | 22:55 |
| Librecat | but openrc is really reliable and consistent | 22:55 |
| bb|hcb | golinux: Sure, but half-baked proposals are only half-good, aren't they? | 22:55 |
| golinux | It can start a discussion. | 22:56 |
| Librecat | i guess one less difference between my gentoo desktop and debian laptop ;) | 22:57 |
| Librecat | by installing devuan* | 22:57 |
| Librecat | thank you devuan for letting me do a long overdue package cleanup | 22:58 |
| bb|hcb | The problem with bullseye-to-chimaera migration is that eudev does not pull sysvinit-core; without sysvinit-core installed, systemd refuses to uninstall, hence the "Do as I say" prompt. In case sysvinit is the desired init system, adding that makes the migration go smooth. I do not use openrc/runit and I have no idea what is the process with them | 23:00 |
| Librecat | simple openrc replaces sysv-rc thats it | 23:03 |
| Librecat | idk about runit | 23:03 |
| Librecat | lol now i cant decide which desktop to install since its now gone | 23:11 |
| Librecat | since the original one is gone | 23:11 |
| Tenkawa | Librecat: ever tried xfce? | 23:13 |
| Librecat | yes | 23:13 |
| Librecat | manjaro and mx linux really made xfce into an artform | 23:14 |
| gnarface | you should still be able to just install kde again | 23:14 |
| gnarface | as long as you make sure the debian repos aren't in your sources.list anymore it should get the right one | 23:14 |
| Librecat | yeah but kinda bored lol | 23:14 |
| gnarface | oh | 23:14 |
| gnarface | well i like enlightenment | 23:15 |
| gnarface | mostly xfce is the popular choice | 23:15 |
| Tenkawa | cinnamon is fun | 23:15 |
| Tenkawa | a bit heavy though | 23:15 |
| Librecat | i find cinnamon buggy | 23:15 |
| Tenkawa | hmm.. I've not had any trouble.. but I build my own os images so I tune a lot | 23:16 |
| Tenkawa | gnarface: I think you mentioned you've been around a while right? how about the old motif window manager lol | 23:17 |
| gnarface | i used to use it in school, i think it's pretty but i haven't tried it in a long time | 23:18 |
| Tenkawa | yeah.. it was big in the 90's | 23:18 |
| gnarface | still in the repos as mwm | 23:18 |
| Tenkawa | yep | 23:18 |
| gnarface | i think i3 has a strong following here too but i haven't tried it either | 23:19 |
| Tenkawa | its still an "active" project (as of 3 years ago anyway) | 23:19 |
| Tenkawa | twm is what I use to use on SVR4 | 23:20 |
| Librecat | gnarface: do you know any good themes for E because i dont like the default theme at all | 23:26 |
| gnarface | i don't, unfortunately | 23:30 |
| gnarface | theme updating seems to have fallen by the wayside since e16 | 23:30 |
| Librecat | anyway i installed it today | 23:31 |
| gnarface | i was using Night-Bling on e17 but then it broke later | 23:33 |
| chozorho | does anyone know how to integrate a SearX instance with an existing apache 2 configuration? | 23:49 |
| chozorho | or, does anyone know where I can ask for help with it... | 23:49 |
| gnarface | not specifically, but apache has really good documentation | 23:51 |
| gnarface | if searx is worth anything it'll have docs in /usr/share/doc/searx that should help you fill in the blanks | 23:51 |
| gnarface | typical setup for this type of thing usually just requires copying or editing the default virtualhost in place | 23:53 |
| Tenkawa | gnarface: initial apt cache reading is its nginx based | 23:57 |
| gnarface | oh, hmm | 23:58 |
| Tenkawa | indeed | 23:58 |
| Tenkawa | Depends: python3-searx (= 0.18.0+dfsg1-1), python3:any | 23:59 |
| Tenkawa | Suggests: nginx, uwsgi, uwsgi-plugin-python3 | 23:59 |
| Tenkawa | doesn't even list a normal webserver install | 23:59 |
| gnarface | i would still look in /usr/share/doc/searx/ first but i don't have any experience with nginx | 23:59 |
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