libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2021-11-03

Tenkawayeah I agree00:00
Tenkawalol00:03
chozorhooh, damn... upon looking up the problem, I have come a bit closer (there are specific "proxy" flags you can add to the apache configuration), but...00:03
Tenkawagnarface: the install instructs in the deb tell you to go to an webpage with an extensive install procedure00:04
Tenkawahttps://searx.github.io/searx/admin/installation.html00:04
chozorhonow I'm getting a "SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG", which means I'll need a new SSL certificate for it... but idk if certbot will allow me to make a new cert on a custom port number :(00:04
Tenkawachozorho: uggh.. ssl certs have been a bane in my existence for eons00:05
Tenkawathey work ... until you "really need them to"00:06
chozorhohah, yep I can relate...00:07
chozorhogood to know I'm not alone00:07
gnarfaceif you don't need it to work for people you don't know you can just make your own certs with openssl00:08
Tenkawagnarface: yeah.. that was the problem.. when I used them I was administrating for regulated entities..00:10
Tenkawano choice heh00:10
judabudahello00:15
judabudahow to fix ssl?00:15
judabudait's hard to use without ssl, since most websites don't work00:16
judabudai get this https://ibb.co/xL2Vm4Z00:17
judabudaalso when i try to wget something, it also displays ssl error00:17
gnarfacejudabuda: in a normal situation you should have the current version supplied automatically with updates00:25
gnarfacemake sure you have the security and updates lines in your sources.list00:25
gnarfaceif you want me to actually look at the error use paste.debian.net instead00:25
gnarfaceit probably won't tell me much though00:26
Tenkawajudabuda: first thing to check with ssl errors too is that your system clock is correct...00:33
Tenkawassl doesn't like if your time gets reset00:34
gnarfaceoh, yea and dns is more picky now too about the time00:34
gnarfaceif you have all the right packages it could be a clock issue00:35
adhocmorning all00:36
Tenkawagreetings adhoc00:37
judabudajust checked my system clock is incorrect08:13
judabudahow do i set it to auto set correct clock in xfce?08:14
judabudachecked it's openssl error08:20
judabudaanyone know how to fix?08:25
judabudagnarface: how do i set system clock to correct?08:36
onefangI use ntp to keep the time correct.08:38
onefangNTP is the protocol used al over the world for keeping clocks set to the correct time.  ntpd is the software, though there are others.08:39
judabudaonefang: how do i use it to set correct time?08:39
onefangJust install it, and make sure your time zone is set correctly.08:40
judabudaonefang: how do i set my time correctly?08:41
onefangAh "ntp" is the package name.08:41
onefangOnce it's installed, it starts the ntp deamon, that automatically syncs to time servers.08:41
judabuda:O08:41
judabudai installed "ntp"08:41
judabudai think it fixed08:42
judabudassl errors are gone08:42
* onefang smiles.08:42
jason1234Hello a small queestion, how to remove with a power command to remove hibernative feature? I.e. with a "shell or bash command".  This is dedicated to maintain several PC (bunch of same laptop/machines to be cured from the systemd hibernative technology on kde desktop)09:15
penguinherderHi All, are there any nvidia experts online?  I've just upgraded to Chimaera and I can't find the nvidia-settings package...10:42
penguinherderI checked out Debian bullseye, but all the versions numbers for NVidia drivers are very different...10:42
user282069check nvidia-driver10:49
fsmithredhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=nvidia-settings=460.91.03-110:49
fsmithrednvidia-settings in chimaera should be same as bullseye10:50
penguinherderHmmm - I have nvidia-driver installed...10:50
penguinherder... but no nvidia-settings10:51
fsmithredI don't know which packages are needed. It's been a few years since I used the proprietary driver.10:51
user282069yes hm this metapackage pulled everything correctly for my card, but i note some caveats in the apt info10:51
penguinherderAccording to bullseye, it's in here: https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/amd64/nvidia-settings/filelist10:51
penguinherderBut it's a much later version, otherwise I'd have just pushed that package in and given it a try...10:52
fsmithredsame version as chimaera10:52
penguinherderAll the NVidia graphics work fine, but I often need to tweak the settings for different games, etc. and I use the nvidia-settings app for that.10:52
fsmithredyeah, I used that for brightness controls10:53
penguinherder@fsmithred ... hmm ... I have 418.211.00-1 installed from Chimera but it's 460.91.03 in Bullseye.10:53
penguinherderIs my Chimera install stale?10:53
fsmithredmaybe10:53
fsmithredcheck sources.list and update10:54
penguinherderSources.list says:10:54
penguinherderdeb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main10:54
penguinherderdeb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-updates main10:54
penguinherderdeb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main10:54
penguinherder#deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main10:54
fsmithreddon't paste multiple lines. You might get auto-bounced out of the room10:54
penguinherderWhoops.10:55
fsmithredmain contrib non-free10:55
fsmithrednvidia is non-free10:55
penguinherderAH!  @fsmithred, magic, thanks!10:56
penguinherderThat's pulled in all the latest drivers and nvidia-settings.  Thank you for the help.11:02
fsmithredthanks for asking a question I knew how to answer.11:02
penguinherderFor bonus points, you don't know why I get:11:02
penguinherderStarting SANE network scanner server: saned/usr/sbin/saned: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsane.so.1: undefined symbol: libusb_set_option11:02
penguinherderDo you?11:02
fsmithredlooks like someone else's error11:03
penguinherderHopefully that will clear after the reboot as well...11:03
fsmithredgoogle the error message if it returns11:03
penguinherderI did... not much came up...11:03
penguinherderI tried the top hits from Stack Overflow and they didn't cure it, but maybe with the latest updates it's fixed.11:04
penguinherderHi @fsmithred, just popping back in to say that the Nvidia update worked as per your suggestion.  Thanks for the help.11:53
fsmithredyw11:54
VallHello everyone15:07
VallWhat is the best way to test Chimaera on a laptop, without installing it? desktop-live?15:09
VallPerhaps it's best if I qualify my question first.15:09
VallMy laptop is a Xeon-based HP Zbook 17 G4, and when I bought it in mid-2018, current Devuan (ASCII if I remember correctly) did not support it well: wifi/bluetooth/sound etc did not work from the get-go, ACPI suspend crashed, hardware keys/switches (RFKill, mute speakers, screen brightness, etc) did nothing when pressed15:13
VallI then installed Ubuntu 18.04 which worked perfectly, which is what I'm using to this day.15:14
VallBut the time is coming when I will be forced to either upgrade to the newest Ubuntu, or install something else. I would very much like it to be Devuan, but would like to see how well (or badly) my hardware is going to work before I make the jump.15:15
VallSo, what would the best way for me to test it, *without* disturbing the currently installed Ubuntu?15:16
fsmithredVall, yeah, try the desktop-live15:25
fsmithredG4 sounds like a mac. is it?15:26
fsmithrednm, you said HP15:26
ShorTieany way to add like a postinit to the desktop-live install ??15:27
fsmithredthere's a way to add hookscripts if you put it on usb15:28
ShorTiehookscripts ??15:31
fsmithredyeah, you can read about it in live-boot or live-config (or maybe live-build) man pages15:32
ShorTienot much room on the usb though it seems15:32
fsmithredsmall usb?15:32
ShorTieoh, ok15:32
ShorTiebasically just want to add ssh and allow root to login15:33
fsmithredisohybrid image on the usb won't work because you won't be able to add files15:33
brocashelmperhaps it's just me or a specific machine, but cinnamon and kde plasma seem "broken" on ceres (core packages installed on top of an xfce installation)15:34
ShorTiethis stupid pc takes like 5 minutes to reboot .. :/~15:34
brocashelmwhen i launch cinnamon, i see the panel on the bottom, but the desktop is black and i can't right click or see any icons on it15:34
Vallfsmithred: nope, no Macs for me (I have an allergy re: Apple stuff ;-))15:34
brocashelmplasma is a bit more functional, but the ui for the windows is either corrupt or missing15:35
brocashelmmate, lxqt, and lxde all worked on ceres15:35
Vallfsmithred: in case you want to see what the exact hardware is: https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c0548234615:35
brocashelmi even tested cinnamon on a separate user account on the same machine to see if there might've been something up with the personal configs, but no difference made15:37
fsmithredVall, how old is the machine?15:40
GyrosGeiera Xeon E1..515:42
fsmithrednew hardware sometimes requires new kernel15:42
GyrosGeierthat's a rare beast15:42
ocina few days ago I had posted the following problem here (upgrade ascii to beowulf fails because of eudev): https://dpaste.com/BQH3MMARK.txt - It turns out it is this bug: https://bugs.devuan.org/db/40/407.html It fails because the ascii-backports kernel is too new. the small regex fix in the preinst check makes it work. I have to automate the15:47
ocinupgrade on dozens of machines, what would be the best method: 1) downgrade kernel before upgrade (downside: reboot required) 2) modify package myself with the fix from the bug 3) something else. with 2) I don't know if the dist-upgrade dep order will get f'd up if I install the custom eudev deb beforehand.15:47
Vallfsmithred: 4.5 years old since launched y HP (April/2017)16:12
Vallfsmithred: why did you ask the machine's age? Not nice asking that about a lady (my machines are always a "she") ;-)16:18
VallGyrosGeier: yep, and I love it -- best laptop I ever had (and it's my 9th since I started buying laptops in the mid-1990s).16:26
Librecatmy sound broke16:47
Librecatwierd worked now16:50
gnarfacejason1234: after you upgrade from systemd i think you can just edit acpid configs in /etc/acpi/events to just remove the suspend hook19:24
gnarfacei might be wrong but if that doesn't work try removing /usr/sbin/pm-suspend19:25
gnarfacethere's also a config in /etc/default/acpid that does stuff like lets you set command-line parameters for acpid19:26
gnarfaceprobably way easier to just disable it in the bios, but that depends on the bios19:26
gnarfacefound some old docs here: https://web.archive.org/web/20101007105045/http://www.columbia.edu:80/~ariel/acpi/acpi_howto.html19:27

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