| astrolul | gnarface i may have found the issue | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| astrolul | it is failing to load "regulatory.db" which it asked me to load and i clicked yes | 00:05 |
| astrolul | i did the same stuff in debian netinstall and it loaded the file but in devuan it didnt when i look at dmesg | 00:05 |
| gnarface | astrolul: this arch linux thread seems related but suggests that's just a red herring unless you crossed international borders between installs: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=245962 | 00:09 |
| astrolul | this is so bizarre and i dont know how to fix | 00:39 |
| astrolul | its driving me nuts i want devuan lmao | 00:39 |
| astrolul | i guess i will use ethernet tommorow directly from my router i tried bridging but it didnt go well | 00:43 |
| Afdal | By the way that LibreOffice issue with menu icons not showing up seems to have resolved itself recently | 01:45 |
| Afdal | not sure what package update must have done it | 01:45 |
| Afdal | but bravo | 01:45 |
| gnarface | i think there needs to just be one package with the "-icon-theme" name suffix | 01:46 |
| gnarface | s/just be/at least be/ | 01:46 |
| gnarface | them all being accidentally dropped from every dependency requirement at once is a problem that has happened before with upgrades | 01:47 |
| Afdal | why not turn the suffix into a prefix | 01:50 |
| gnarface | i don't know, but the search supports regexp patterns | 01:51 |
| gnarface | try this: apt-cache search ^.*\-icon\-theme$ | 01:51 |
| gnarface | a little translation here | 01:52 |
| gnarface | beginning of line: ^ | 01:52 |
| gnarface | any amount of anything (ungreedy): .* | 01:53 |
| gnarface | escape characters that would other wise potentially be other control chars: \ | 01:53 |
| gnarface | end of line: $ | 01:53 |
| gnarface | (it can be a bit confusing because it searches the whole header not just the names) | 01:59 |
| u-amarsh04 | finally built a kernel with gcc-12 (bleeding edge here) | 11:16 |
| holzkristall | So I wanted to convert my Debian served to devuan and looked at the guide: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera | 12:58 |
| holzkristall | And do I see correctly, that nowhere the key, which was downloaded over htttp(!) gets verified? | 12:58 |
| holzkristall | Doesn't it mean it has no way of protecting against mitm? | 12:59 |
| gnarface | deb.devuan.org is a round-robin, and a couple of the mirrors in that round-robin do support https if named individually | 13:39 |
| gnarface | that key should be in public keyservers too though iirc | 13:40 |
| gnarface | and anyone here can tell you if you got the right one too | 13:40 |
| gnarface | checksums for the package here though: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=devuan-keyring=2017.10.03 | 13:43 |
| nixpipe | Hello. How do i change runlevel for a service while using openrc? On artix i was used to using "rc-service" and "rc-update". | 14:04 |
| nixpipe | is there a package that provides devuan's live desktop artwork and look-and-feel? | 15:39 |
| pingpongball | i'm in debian 11 bullsyeye | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | That's ok. You're still welcome here. | 17:10 |
| pingpongball | no i mean i see that | 17:11 |
| pingpongball | i've questions | 17:12 |
| pingpongball | like | 17:12 |
| pingpongball | if like debian upgrades to next bookworm, | 17:12 |
| pingpongball | how long will it takes for devuan to get that upgrade? | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | the repository is constantly updating, so packages are available a few hours after they are added to repo. | 17:13 |
| pingpongball | sir | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | devuan releases are behind debian | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | last one was a few months, which was better than previous releases | 17:14 |
| pingpongball | fsmithred , i want to migrate so | 17:14 |
| pingpongball | i see this | 17:14 |
| pingpongball | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | ymmv | 17:14 |
| pingpongball | is it possible to break system? how often is the case? | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | there are no stats on that | 17:15 |
| pingpongball | i've nvidia graphics, would it be supported to | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | yes, it is possible to break your system. That's always true, but migration can have some tricky points. | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | depending on what your setup is. | 17:16 |
| pingpongball | setup ? | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | server is easier than desktop | 17:16 |
| pingpongball | i'm just in debian. and gnome . | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | xfce is easier than gnome | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | window manager is even easier | 17:16 |
| pingpongball | no no , gnome is my fav :) i love gnome | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | people run gnome in devuan | 17:17 |
| pingpongball | ok that means i'm good to go | 17:18 |
| fsmithred | make a backup before the migration | 17:18 |
| fsmithred | just in case | 17:18 |
| fsmithred | and if you run into conflicts, you might try aptitude for alternate solutions. | 17:18 |
| pingpongball | i've not backup , i've another partition, where i put files, if i break, i would easily not touch that my partition and install in another. | 17:18 |
| fsmithred | ok | 17:19 |
| pingpongball | you might try aptitude for alternate solutions. , what it means? please | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | as long as you have a plan | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | aptitude -s full-upgrade | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | the -s means simulate | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | or | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | aptitude install <package> | 17:19 |
| pingpongball | but it is not mention in devuan | 17:19 |
| fsmithred | and then if there are conflicts, it may give you different solutions | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | aptitude has been in debian for ages | 17:20 |
| pingpongball | in that migration doc, | 17:21 |
| pingpongball | it is saying | 17:21 |
| pingpongball | If the required desktop is not already installed, install it now. The default in Devuan is XFCE/gnome. | 17:21 |
| pingpongball | does it remove gnome? why it tell so? | 17:21 |
| fsmithred | default desktop in devuan is xfce | 17:21 |
| fsmithred | it should not remove gnome, but I didn't read that whole guide | 17:22 |
| pingpongball | In sources.list i've to add non-free ? is it ? | 17:22 |
| pingpongball | because i've nvidia, intel things | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | if the desktop you want is not installed, you should install it | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | that's all they mean by that | 17:23 |
| fsmithred | yes, you need to keep contrib and non-free in sources.list if you have nvidia | 17:23 |
| fsmithred | those packages probably won't change | 17:24 |
| fsmithred | 99% of the packages in devuan are pulled from debian and not changed. | 17:24 |
| pingpongball | Thank you. i'm copying my files :) | 17:24 |
| fsmithred | if you try to go from bullseye to daedalus (= debian-12) then nvidia would probably give you trouble. | 17:26 |
| pingpongball | daedalus , is that after chaemera ? | 17:28 |
| pingpongball | i'll wait some time | 17:29 |
| pingpongball | i want to know more like | 17:29 |
| pingpongball | why devian didnt chose to choose on init system while installing? | 17:29 |
| pingpongball | i'm very scared, and very exicited | 17:29 |
| pingpongball | fsmithred would you give me idea , why :" from bullseye to daedalus (= debian-12) then nvidia would probably give you trouble." | 17:32 |
| pingpongball | would i get performance difference :) | 17:32 |
| pingpongball | i want very very fast init system , | 17:33 |
| pingpongball | SysVinit :) | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | daedelus=bookworm=testing | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | packages might not be ready | 17:35 |
| pingpongball | oh no i'm currently in bullseye. | 17:35 |
| pingpongball | i'll not go to testing. | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | or kernel might change before nvidia packages do | 17:35 |
| pingpongball | no i'll not move | 17:36 |
| pingpongball | i meant | 17:36 |
| pingpongball | i'll move from my debian bullseye to devuan chaemera. | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that should work | 17:37 |
| pingpongball | But like after 2 years, if bookworm come in stable | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | you might check at the forum to see if someone talks about migrating gnome | 17:37 |
| pingpongball | i'll move devuan chaemera to devuan .next:) | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | or installing gnome in devuan | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | might be some useful hints there | 17:37 |
| pingpongball | i've already gnome and running debian. | 17:38 |
| pingpongball | oh yes i understand | 17:38 |
| pingpongball | Note that if Gnome is installed it will be removed by this command, but can be installed again after the migration. | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | which command? | 17:39 |
| fsmithred | nm, I see it. | 17:40 |
| pingpongball | In this | 17:42 |
| pingpongball | The last command may cause package breaks but they will be resolved as part of the migration process. | 17:42 |
| pingpongball | root@debian:~# apt-get -f install | 17:42 |
| pingpongball | after this | 17:42 |
| pingpongball | It tells | 17:42 |
| pingpongball | "A reboot is required to change sysvinit to pid1." | 17:42 |
| pingpongball | so in next reboot, i'll be command line , because i've already blown gnome | 17:43 |
| pingpongball | i think i'll do after some week | 17:45 |
| pingpongball | :) | 17:45 |
| neutral` | (activating swap failed) shows in message after boot, although swap is showing in (free -h). i am using swapfile. | 18:49 |
| fsmithred | neutral`, where is the swapfile? Somewhere other than the root partition? | 18:51 |
| neutral` | in the root partition itself | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | I have no other ideas now. | 18:52 |
| neutral` | (/swapfile none swap sw 0 0) | 18:52 |
| neutral` | that what i put in fstab | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | looks just like mine | 18:53 |
| onefang | I use swapspace to manage swap for me. That might help. Then no need to have an entry in fstab. It grows and shrinks the swapfiles it manages automatically. | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | afk | 19:10 |
| rwp | neutral`, What does the "ls -ld /swapfile" show? An example 4GB file: "-rw------- 1 root root 4294967296 Jun 5 2016 /swapfile" | 19:44 |
| rwp | neutral`, What does "file /swapfile" show? An example: "/swapfile: Linux/i386 swap file (new style), version 1 (4K pages), size 1048575 pages, no label, UUID=fecb68a1-2e20-4733-82cd-9a06a6b2ab58~" | 19:44 |
| rwp | That "~" at the end was some type of bracketed paste mode artifact. Ignore that character. | 19:45 |
| rwp | I am thinking that the /swapfile is not a valid Linux kernel swap file and therefore is getting rejected as such. | 19:46 |
| neutral` | rwp:(/swapfile: Linux swap file, 4k page size, little endian,version 1, size 1048575 pages, 0 bad pages, no label, UUID=e2ce34f0-aa92-4388-bde7-a7cfe5880ecc) | 20:04 |
| neutral` | https://paste.debian.net/1220223/ | 20:09 |
| neutral` | there it says (activating swap...failed), and then after it says (activating swapfile swap,if any... done) | 20:11 |
| neutral` | rwp: swapfile shows in free -h btw | 20:11 |
| rwp | neutral`, Hmm... Okay. That all looks like it should work. In which case I might suggest running the commands manually? | 21:03 |
| rwp | The init scripts do "swapon -a -v" at boot time and "swapoff -a -v" at shutdown time. | 21:03 |
| rwp | If it were me I would "swapoff -a -v" then check that the swap was removed. Then "swapon -a -v" to watch that it worked adding it back to the system. | 21:04 |
| rwp | Other than that I don't know why it would fail at boot time. Sorry. End of my ideas. | 21:04 |
| neutral` | thanks | 21:36 |
| neutral` | it was the init script | 21:36 |
| neutral` | in checkroot.sh it swapon before fsck. that was what causing it | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | so why did the test for swapfile fail? Where does $swap_on_file get set? | 22:02 |
| rrq | ("normally" by _read_fstab in /lib/init/mount-functions.sh) | 22:06 |
| rwp | And fsck is for file systems not swap partitions. fsck should not have any effect on swap partitions. | 22:26 |
| onefang | If it hasn't mounted the file system the swap file is on coz it's still fscking it... | 22:29 |
| neutral` | yeah (mountall.sh) happens after (checkroot.sh). Plus there is another instance of swapon in (mountall.sh). After disabling the swapon in (checkroot.sh) the error is gone. | 23:36 |
| gnarface | i really recommend using a partition instead of a file for swap | 23:57 |
| gnarface | i know planning where to put it and moving it when that fails is a pain but it really solves a lot of other problems | 23:58 |
| * blockhead agrees | 23:58 | |
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