| pingpongball | Hello | 04:02 |
|---|---|---|
| debdog | o/ | 04:03 |
| pingpongball | today the day finally came. | 04:03 |
| pingpongball | I'm migrating from debian to devuan https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera :) | 04:04 |
| debdog | make a backup beforehand :P | 04:08 |
| pingpongball | do you think something might break, why so? | 04:09 |
| pingpongball | i'm copying my files to usb | 04:09 |
| gnarface | it's just always a good idea to make a backu | 04:17 |
| gnarface | backup | 04:17 |
| pingpongball | yes done :) | 04:20 |
| pingpongball | Please guide me | 04:20 |
| pingpongball | I"m in here | 04:20 |
| pingpongball | * The first step is to change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the Chimaera repositories. | 04:20 |
| pingpongball | Should i remove all sources of debian in that /etc/apt/sources.list? | 04:21 |
| pingpongball | and add those | 04:21 |
| pingpongball | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main | 04:22 |
| pingpongball | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-updates main | 04:22 |
| pingpongball | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main | 04:22 |
| pingpongball | #deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main | 04:22 |
| pingpongball | i should add contrib non-free too ? | 04:22 |
| fsmithred | if you use contrib and non-free, you should add them | 04:24 |
| * Xenguy makes popcorn... | 04:26 | |
| pingpongball | i've added these | 04:26 |
| pingpongball | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main contrib non-free | 04:26 |
| pingpongball | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-updates main contrib non-free | 04:26 |
| pingpongball | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main contrib non-free | 04:26 |
| pingpongball | #deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main contrib non-free | 04:26 |
| pingpongball | and removed all previously | 04:27 |
| pingpongball | Now next | 04:27 |
| pingpongball | =$ | 04:27 |
| Xenguy | profit! | 04:27 |
| pingpongball | got this error | 04:28 |
| pingpongball | W: GPG error: http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C | 04:28 |
| pingpongball | W: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera InRelease' is not signed. | 04:28 |
| pingpongball | N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use. | 04:28 |
| pingpongball | N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. | 04:28 |
| pingpongball | oh | 04:29 |
| pingpongball | i've run this first apt-get install devuan-keyring --allow-unauthenticated | 04:29 |
| pingpongball | then only apt-get update --allow-insecure-repositories | 04:30 |
| pingpongball | worked. | 04:30 |
| fsmithred | follow the instructions | 04:30 |
| Xenguy | No, if you follow the instructions, you can't get the errors | 04:30 |
| pingpongball | instruction is up down , but i've solved that, it is not giving that error now after i add keyring | 04:30 |
| pingpongball | root@debian:~# apt-get upgrade (be careful NOT to use dist-upgrade here) | 04:32 |
| pingpongball | i've ran this, now upgrading packages | 04:32 |
| pingpongball | Once this is done eudev needs to be installed. Note that if Gnome is installed it will be removed by this command, but can be installed again after the migration. | 04:32 |
| pingpongball | now trouble | 04:33 |
| pingpongball | If i ran this | 04:33 |
| pingpongball | apt-get install eudev | 04:33 |
| pingpongball | gnome will be removed, will i just get blank terminal | 04:33 |
| pingpongball | after that | 04:33 |
| Xenguy | You really want Gnome? | 04:34 |
| pingpongball | yes, i love gnome :) | 04:34 |
| Xenguy | Very well | 04:34 |
| Xenguy | sounds like you may have to apt-get gnome afterwards | 04:35 |
| Xenguy | But I've never crossed this bridge, cos I hate Gnome, with a passion | 04:36 |
| pingpongball | i wanted to use kde, but it is so much configurable outofthebox i hated it | 04:37 |
| * Xenguy goes back to munching popcorn... | 04:37 | |
| fsmithred | ctrl-alt-f1 | 04:37 |
| fsmithred | service stop gdm3 | 04:37 |
| fsmithred | then continue with the migration, let gnome get remove, install it afterward just as it's explained in the fine instructions. | 04:38 |
| pingpongball | Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.NoSuchUnit: Unit packagekit.service not found. | 04:39 |
| pingpongball | sir | 04:40 |
| pingpongball | after i ran apt-get upgrade, | 04:40 |
| pingpongball | It tells me | 04:40 |
| fsmithred | ignore it and continue | 04:40 |
| pingpongball | ┌────┤ Daemons using outdated libraries ├─────┐ | 04:40 |
| pingpongball | │ │ | 04:40 |
| pingpongball | │ │ | 04:40 |
| pingpongball | │ Which services should be restarted? │ | 04:40 |
| pingpongball | what should i do? | 04:40 |
| fsmithred | stop all the pastes. You might get auto-bounced | 04:40 |
| pingpongball | i'm scared | 04:41 |
| pingpongball | what service should i restart? | 04:41 |
| pingpongball | i'vent installed eudev yet | 04:41 |
| fsmithred | I usually let the daemons get restarted automatically on upgrades | 04:41 |
| pingpongball | should i leave it default? and hit ok | 04:42 |
| fsmithred | that usually works | 04:42 |
| fsmithred | you dropped to console first, right? | 04:42 |
| fsmithred | you probably don't want to be in gnome when it gets removed | 04:42 |
| pingpongball | Failed to restart avahi-daemon.service: Unit dbus.socket not found. Failed to restart colord.service: Unit colord.service not found. | 04:43 |
| pingpongball | it closed | 04:44 |
| pingpongball | i'm installing eudev | 04:44 |
| pingpongball | :) | 04:45 |
| pingpongball | Yes do as I say! | 04:45 |
| Xenguy | Not as I do! | 04:45 |
| pingpongball | yes gnome are being removed | 04:45 |
| * Xenguy has the heckler inclination today... | 04:45 | |
| Xenguy | Splendid | 04:46 |
| pingpongball | oh no, snapd are also removed | 04:46 |
| Xenguy | We'd have more Devuan users if we heckled them more often... Oh wait | 04:46 |
| fsmithred | that one won't be reinstalled | 04:46 |
| pingpongball | it shows error | 04:47 |
| pingpongball | systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before removing systemd. dpkg: error processing package systemd (--remove): installed systemd package pre-removal script subprocess returned error exit status 1 | 04:47 |
| pingpongball | oh yea i got | 04:47 |
| pingpongball | "The last command may cause package breaks but they will be resolved as part of the migration process." | 04:47 |
| Xenguy | Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 04:48 |
| pingpongball | I ran | 04:49 |
| pingpongball | root@debian:~# apt-get -f install | 04:49 |
| pingpongball | I think next is reboot , | 04:50 |
| pingpongball | reboot command not found ? | 04:50 |
| pingpongball | Xenguy | 04:51 |
| pingpongball | should i install reboot | 04:51 |
| rwp | If you are missing that command then I fear your upgrade is not ready for a reboot. | 04:51 |
| pingpongball | or any other method to reboot | 04:51 |
| fsmithred | give the full path | 04:52 |
| fsmithred | /sbin/reboot | 04:52 |
| Xenguy | That's coooooooooooool | 04:52 |
| pingpongball | no such directory | 04:52 |
| rwp | Someone is root but does not have PATH set properly? Oh my... | 04:52 |
| fsmithred | ? | 04:52 |
| fsmithred | pingpongball, are you in a terminal in a desktop, or are you in a plain old console? | 04:53 |
| pingpongball | gnome-terminal | 04:53 |
| fsmithred | and you did 'su' instead of 'su -' | 04:53 |
| Xenguy | Maybe a virtual console would work better? | 04:53 |
| pingpongball | i tried xterm, also reboot not found | 04:53 |
| pingpongball | Help | 04:53 |
| fsmithred | ctrl-alt-f1 | 04:54 |
| fsmithred | log in as root | 04:54 |
| fsmithred | then do whatever you want | 04:54 |
| Xenguy | su - | 04:54 |
| fsmithred | it's probably not a good idea to remove gnome when you're in gnome-terminal | 04:54 |
| pingpongball | su: Authentication failure | 04:54 |
| Xenguy | or just login directly as root, at a virtual console | 04:54 |
| fsmithred | ctrl-alt-f1 | 04:55 |
| Xenguy | Ctrl-Alt-F1 | 04:55 |
| fsmithred | log in as root | 04:55 |
| fsmithred | login: root | 04:55 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred is yer friend | 04:55 |
| fsmithred | password: | 04:55 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ give it the root password | 04:55 |
| fsmithred | then press ENTER | 04:55 |
| pingpongball | i've gave that root but it tells not authenticated | 04:55 |
| pingpongball | but | 04:55 |
| pingpongball | sudo su , | 04:55 |
| pingpongball | i get to root. | 04:55 |
| Xenguy | Weird, but whatever works | 04:56 |
| fsmithred | sudo su will only work if you are already logged in | 04:56 |
| pingpongball | yes i'm logged in | 04:56 |
| fsmithred | where? | 04:56 |
| pingpongball | gnome , which is removed, | 04:56 |
| pingpongball | D: | 04:56 |
| fsmithred | why are you still in gnome terminal? | 04:57 |
| pingpongball | why su - giving me authentication error D: | 04:57 |
| Xenguy | drop down below X, like fsmithred suggested: ctrl-alt-f1 | 04:57 |
| pingpongball | but i've give right password | 04:57 |
| Xenguy | Login from there | 04:57 |
| pingpongball | ctrl+alt+f1 | 04:58 |
| pingpongball | doesnt do anything | 04:58 |
| fsmithred | then ctrl-alt-f2 | 04:58 |
| Xenguy | Hold ctrl and alt down at the same time, then press f2 | 04:58 |
| * Xenguy shrugs... | 05:00 | |
| rrq | on bullseye you might have to use "sudo systemctl rescue" instead | 05:00 |
| fsmithred | maybe he was talking to us on that same system. | 05:01 |
| rrq | sometimes one would wish that there would be some script that could do the transition | 05:03 |
| fsmithred | for some, I think it would need to be a package they could install and click a button | 05:07 |
| rwp | The procedure is documented. https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera | 05:08 |
| fsmithred | yeah, he was following that guide (and pasting it here) | 05:08 |
| rrq | .. and the "A script" option is a tag-along at the very end in that doc :) | 05:09 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I'm looking at it now | 05:09 |
| rrq | it might be more pedagogically virtuous to have that option upfront | 05:12 |
| fsmithred | I agree | 05:12 |
| fsmithred | also should probably advise people to get off the desktop in case it goes away | 05:12 |
| Velvet | can i ask a dumb question?...where do i download Devuan - Ceres?...i like the rolling release model....but when i click on any of the mirrors, Ceres isn't listed. Why? | 05:33 |
| fsmithred | because we don't make any ceres isos | 05:33 |
| brocashelm | velvet: there are no ceres isos. you would have to edit your sources.list and change beowulf/chimaera/daedalus to ceres | 05:33 |
| Velvet | i see | 05:33 |
| brocashelm | i use ceres and it's very stable in my experience | 05:33 |
| fsmithred | I think the mini.iso gives you a choice of suites to install | 05:34 |
| fsmithred | maybe only in expert mode. Not sure. | 05:34 |
| brocashelm | if you decide to go with it, install the packages apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges to be on the safe side | 05:34 |
| Velvet | is there a guide?...and do you recommend Daedelus or Chimaera? | 05:35 |
| brocashelm | chimaera is the current stable release | 05:35 |
| fsmithred | other choice is to debootstrap ceres | 05:35 |
| brocashelm | daedalus is the current testing branch | 05:35 |
| brocashelm | but i think testing has a longer delay in patching updates than either stable or unstable | 05:35 |
| fsmithred | I don't recommend deadalus at this tims. We just recently got chimaera to stable. | 05:35 |
| brocashelm | and chimaera is still pretty close to ceres, too? | 05:36 |
| brocashelm | in terms of package versions | 05:36 |
| fsmithred | maybe. Not sure at this point. | 05:36 |
| pingpongdull | hey guys | 05:36 |
| pingpongdull | i'm pingpongball | 05:36 |
| fsmithred | did it work? | 05:36 |
| pingpongdull | no , | 05:37 |
| pingpongdull | after i rebooted | 05:37 |
| pingpongdull | it dont booted | 05:37 |
| pingpongdull | stuck in error | 05:37 |
| pingpongdull | saying | 05:37 |
| pingpongdull | "kernel panic" | 05:37 |
| pingpongdull | I'm in friend laptop | 05:37 |
| pingpongdull | :( | 05:37 |
| brocashelm | but imo, you either stick with stable (if you prefer older packages or are a newbie) or unstable (if you want newer packages and have adequate experience maintaining a system if things go wrong) | 05:37 |
| pingpongdull | i'm was in stable debian | 05:38 |
| pingpongdull | what shoud i do ? | 05:38 |
| pingpongdull | help me please | 05:38 |
| Velvet | using !arch atm...but looking at things without systemd....most exceed my expertise level | 05:38 |
| fsmithred | if you know how to boot live-iso and chroot the system, you could probably fix it. | 05:39 |
| brocashelm | there's also artix if you prefer arch without systemd. if you like runit, their implementation of it is better than debian/devuan at the moment (still partly implemented) | 05:39 |
| pingpongdull | yes ok, i'm downloaidg iso | 05:39 |
| fsmithred | you probably need to rebuild the initramfs | 05:39 |
| pingpongdull | i dont like arch | 05:39 |
| Velvet | ya..looked at artix/parabola/obarun....community seems...weak :/ | 05:40 |
| Velvet | void seems nice ...but terminal partitioning is not something i'm good at | 05:40 |
| pingpongdull | Velvet , is it possible to use void, with nvidia drivers | 05:41 |
| brocashelm | velvet: then consider trying out ceres if you want newer packages in a devuan environment. i've been using it since last year and think it's pretty neat, as long as you're careful | 05:41 |
| Velvet | i see them discuss that a lot in their irc channel...i think so | 05:42 |
| Velvet | ok...i'll chew on that a moment. Thank you. | 05:42 |
| brocashelm | np | 05:43 |
| brocashelm | werks on my machine (tm) | 05:43 |
| Velvet | x) | 05:43 |
| pingpongdull | fsmithred , would you please provide me tutorial for solving using chroot? | 05:53 |
| fsmithred | if you don't already know how to do that, it might be easier to reinstall. Or practice on a non-essential system. | 05:59 |
| fsmithred | I'm going to sleep soon (should have done that an hour ago.) | 05:59 |
| adhoc | pingpongdull: what are you trying to do ? | 05:59 |
| fsmithred | rescue a borked migration from bullseye to chimaera. He got initramfs prompt on reboot. | 06:00 |
| adhoc | oh joy | 06:00 |
| pingpongdull | yes, i'm in friend laptop downloading cheimera | 06:00 |
| adhoc | pingpongdull: how much data you have on that system ? | 06:00 |
| pingpongdull | but i dont want to loose my migrated debuan | 06:00 |
| pingpongdull | alot :( , although i've backup most, but i dont want to reinstall | 06:01 |
| adhoc | how long has the debian machine been running before the cross-grade? | 06:01 |
| adhoc | weeks, months, years? | 06:02 |
| pingpongdull | about 1 months | 06:02 |
| adhoc | ok, which file system ? | 06:02 |
| pingpongdull | ext4 i think | 06:02 |
| adhoc | anything encrypted ? | 06:02 |
| pingpongdull | no i've not encrypted | 06:03 |
| adhoc | ok, should be doable. | 06:03 |
| adhoc | did you do anything special with kernels on the old sytem ? | 06:03 |
| pingpongdull | thank you, | 06:03 |
| pingpongdull | no nothing, just installed nvidia drivers, nothing more. | 06:03 |
| adhoc | ok then, you should be able to do a rescue boot from USB and install standard kernel packages. | 06:04 |
| pingpongdull | i think 5 6 days ago , i was talking to you about migrating. | 06:04 |
| brocashelm | imo, you should make a backup of your /etc folder (and some other special configs), and then install devuan properly and apply your configs on top | 06:04 |
| * adhoc did this recently (on ubuntu) to recover a botched kernel upgrade from custom compiled kernel | 06:04 | |
| pingpongdull | thank you, i'm downloading devuan chaemara , | 06:04 |
| adhoc | brocashelm: yes absolutely. | 06:04 |
| * adhoc had the advantage of having more than two identical systems (that worked fine on upgrade) | 06:05 | |
| adhoc | and use the result of; dpkg --get-selections | 06:06 |
| adhoc | to get the right packages in the recovery process. | 06:06 |
| brocashelm | and, if you want to keep a text file of all packages installed on your debian system: apt list --installed | 06:06 |
| adhoc | brocashelm: oh that is neat. | 06:06 |
| fsmithred | adhoc, get-selections won't be accurate - a bunch of gnome and other stuff got removed. | 06:08 |
| fsmithred | good night and good luck | 06:08 |
| adhoc | pingpongdull: I need to get back to work in a bit | 06:10 |
| adhoc | pingpongdull: they key thing is you need to do some reading around recovery from bootable USB. | 06:10 |
| adhoc | the key concepts are; | 06:10 |
| pingpongdull | yes, please, Thankyou | 06:10 |
| adhoc | - finding a decent bootable media that will allow you to boot into a recovery mode | 06:11 |
| pingpongdull | yes :) | 06:11 |
| pingpongdull | and | 06:11 |
| pingpongdull | please give me article for doing so, if you have such. . | 06:11 |
| adhoc | - use a chroot method that will allow you to run as the installed machine | 06:11 |
| adhoc | then you can; apt-get update | 06:11 |
| adhoc | - pull down the kernel and gurb packages | 06:11 |
| adhoc | - install grub, install the new kernels | 06:12 |
| pingpongdull | Thank you again | 06:12 |
| adhoc | i found a few that were specific to ubuntu, for the problem at hand a few weeks back | 06:12 |
| adhoc | you should be able to find relevant articles similar on ubuntu and debian. | 06:12 |
| adhoc | finding specific articles on devuan might be more of a challenge | 06:13 |
| adhoc | remember, do not get hung up on need specific documentation. | 06:13 |
| adhoc | once you get the concepts straight in your head, you should be able to apply it to a wide variety of systems. | 06:13 |
| adhoc | take a backup of the important files from your system | 06:14 |
| adhoc | you need the rescue boot USB for this anyway | 06:14 |
| adhoc | with a backup, the pressure if reduced | 06:14 |
| adhoc | if you have to re-install from fresh you can. | 06:14 |
| adhoc | then restore your data. | 06:15 |
| pingpongdull | i've a backup partition. | 06:15 |
| adhoc | excellent =) | 06:15 |
| pingpongdull | i'll backup remaining, and fresh install devuan instead. | 06:15 |
| pingpongdull | i should see how many parti | 06:16 |
| adhoc | i had issues finding USB thumb drives that all my machines like to boot from =/ | 06:16 |
| adhoc | i usually have three; /boot, swap, / | 06:16 |
| adhoc | sometimes; /opt, /var, /home | 06:16 |
| pingpongdull | i've i think efi, i dont remember, i should check | 06:16 |
| pingpongdull | yes i've saperate /home | 06:16 |
| adhoc | depending on the application of the machine,vm,etc | 06:17 |
| adhoc | excellent. | 06:18 |
| adhoc | hi cyteen | 06:18 |
| adhoc | pingpongdull: you have a second machine where you can creat bootable USB thumb drives ? | 06:18 |
| pingpongdull | devuan torrent isnt available | 06:22 |
| adhoc | BBL | 06:31 |
| * adhoc -> work | 06:31 | |
| rememberme | Hey guys you remember me | 10:18 |
| rememberme | I'm pingpongball | 10:18 |
| rememberme | i've couldnt solved previous bullseye to chaemera migration. | 10:18 |
| rememberme | I've had a manjaro iso, i installed it, although i dont like it | 10:19 |
| rememberme | I'm downloading chaemra 4.0 currently :) | 10:19 |
| rememberme | I see | 10:20 |
| rememberme | Default: Xfce | 10:20 |
| rememberme | Alternate: Cinnamon, KDE, LXQt, MATE | 10:20 |
| rememberme | on https://www.devuan.org/os/ | 10:20 |
| rememberme | I think i should choose kde if not xfce, although i love gnome and can post install | 10:22 |
| rememberme | If i doesnt choose any desktop enviroment and login. | 10:51 |
| FatPhil | rwp: confirmed, Alt-PrtScn-h shows the magic commands available. Thanks! | 10:55 |
| rememberme | r u running devuan? | 10:57 |
| FatPhil | The lappy was in a bit of a cranky state earlier, so I'm not surprised nothing worked. However, it sat overnight without locking up on the new Beowulf kernel, so I hope it was just an Ascii problem. | 10:57 |
| rememberme | why you not migrating to chaemera ? | 10:58 |
| FatPhil | because more modern doesn't mean better. | 10:59 |
| rememberme | ok, what de r u using? | 10:59 |
| FatPhil | dwm | 10:59 |
| rememberme | r u a professional programmer? i mean senior, working/coding/programming on real company for years | 11:00 |
| FatPhil | 30 years professionally | 11:00 |
| rememberme | <3 | 11:01 |
| rememberme | when installing devuan.. what de did you choose? | 11:01 |
| rememberme | not post-install? | 11:01 |
| rememberme | or did you run just barebone without de, and later installed dwm | 11:01 |
| rememberme | i mean | 11:02 |
| rememberme | I'm in manjaro right now, i see it have great sway window manager, i liked it. | 11:02 |
| rememberme | Should i install kde in devuan or gnome? I'm in thinking , and stuck what should i use. | 11:04 |
| rememberme | previously in debian i used gnome, it was perfect | 11:04 |
| rememberme | more previously i've used kde , but i feel alot of glitches so was bad exprience. | 11:05 |
| FatPhil | well, dwm isn't really a DE anyway. I don't like interfaces that get in my way. | 11:05 |
| rememberme | Can window manager run like unity, unreal engine ? | 11:05 |
| FatPhil | happiest at a command line, I have about 20 xterms open, and one browser. | 11:06 |
| rememberme | you are c++ developer. | 11:06 |
| phogg | 20 is a good start | 11:07 |
| FatPhil | was, back in the 90s | 11:07 |
| phogg | rememberme: window managers manage windows and don't care about what programs are in those windows | 11:07 |
| FatPhil | some of the xterms are SSHs to other machines with large nu kbers of tmux sessions | 11:08 |
| rememberme | is it ok to use gnome in devuan? i see it is not in preinstall, only in post install? | 11:08 |
| phogg | $ ps -C rxvt-unicode -o pid= | wc -l # 256 | 11:08 |
| * phogg knows he has a problem | 11:09 | |
| FatPhil | yikes, if you demultiplex my sessions, I's need about 50 or 60. Each of my remote sessions has about 3 luser shells and 3 root shells within it, and there are -5 remote machines I'm keeping tabs on. | 11:11 |
| rememberme | devuan | 11:12 |
| rememberme | Hey guys | 11:18 |
| rememberme | If i installed devuan without choosing any desktop enviroment while installing | 11:18 |
| rememberme | i go to terminal based login after booting | 11:18 |
| rememberme | How can i connect wifi through terminal then? | 11:18 |
| rememberme | i wanted to use gnome | 11:18 |
| rememberme | so i dont want any other desktop enviroment preinstalled, just gnome. | 11:19 |
| phogg | FatPhil: I barely multiplex, preferring tiled terminals and lots of desktops instead. | 11:21 |
| phogg | rememberme: all wireless networking involves setting up wpa_supplicant. You can do it on the command line via wpa_cli, or just wpa_supplicant.conf and an interface trigger if you know exactly what you need. | 11:22 |
| rememberme | I see devuan doesnt comes with gnome while installing. | 11:23 |
| rememberme | so i wanted to choose just barebone without desktop enviroment , | 11:23 |
| rememberme | and go to terminal after booting | 11:23 |
| rememberme | then install | 11:23 |
| rememberme | sir | 11:36 |
| rememberme | ;( | 11:50 |
| rememberme | I love gnome | 11:50 |
| rememberme | ok i'll use kde for now. i'll see what it feels. | 11:53 |
| rememberme | But please also add gnome on future versions of devuan, please. | 11:53 |
| rememberme | i'll try kde for some time :) | 11:59 |
| jason1234 | do you know a kernel modules that has ufs.ko on the raspberry pi? can you do ? cd /lib ; find -iname "*ufs.ko*" ? | 12:57 |
| FatPhil | well, it should be /lib/modules/${VERSION}/kernel/fs/ufs.ko | 13:25 |
| jason1234 | yeah | 13:25 |
| jason1234 | do you have that into you kernel? | 13:25 |
| jason1234 | if you have ,,... i need your kernel | 13:25 |
| lts | I just ran that in raspbian 11, no hits | 13:25 |
| FatPhil | my jessie and my ascii both have it | 13:27 |
| FatPhil | and my beowolf. All with the default kernels. | 13:27 |
| lts | https://dpaste.com/EVQA8VZH5.txt | 13:28 |
| jason1234 | cool | 13:33 |
| jason1234 | could you do a uname -a and which apt-get sources.list dop you use? | 13:34 |
| jason1234 | is it cool | 13:37 |
| jason1234 | you meant devuan? | 13:37 |
| FP_beowulf | Linux thingy 4.19.0-18-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.208-1 (2021-09-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 13:46 |
| FP_beowulf | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib non-free | 13:46 |
| FatPhil | plus updates/security/backports | 13:47 |
| Guest15 | I've bad exprience using devuan | 15:09 |
| Guest15 | :( | 15:09 |
| gnarface | Guest15: just ask your questions and be patient, it's a slow channel but people here can help | 15:13 |
| Guest15 | hello | 16:02 |
| used____ | Again: is there no way to trigger an acpid event or other script just before entering suspend and just after exiting suspend? No event token is passed to acpid on these transitions. System is Beowulf. Ideas? | 16:31 |
| Guest15 | i'm getting also weird | 16:32 |
| ed3 | Hello | 21:17 |
| ed3 | Anybody around? | 21:30 |
| debdog | plenty | 21:32 |
| debdog | just a tad slow sometimes ;) | 21:33 |
| ed3 | cool | 21:33 |
| * debdog adjusts the thermostat | 21:34 | |
| ed3 | Just installed Devuan. Primary reason was because I wanted something more secure, and anything without SystemD is going to be more secure | 21:34 |
| ed3 | I'm interested in logging in with a Yubico 5c, but all instructions I can find are for Debian and reference SystemD | 21:35 |
| ed3 | Does anybody here know if we can get logins working with a Yubico? | 21:35 |
| used____ | What is a yubico? | 21:37 |
| used____ | oh | 21:37 |
| ed3 | hardware 2FA | 21:37 |
| ed3 | I use it to store accounts using codes like Google Auth does (TOPT), and it can be used to generate long secure passwords | 21:38 |
| used____ | I know what those things can do. | 21:39 |
| used____ | https://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/YubiKey4 indeed systemd is mentioned. | 21:41 |
| used____ | Did you try the other methods? PGP etc? | 21:41 |
| ed3 | No | 21:41 |
| ed3 | I was looking for documentation on Devuan's ability to use smart cards, etc. | 21:41 |
| ed3 | Figured I would ask here if anybody is using a hardware 2FA | 21:42 |
| used____ | So, you want to use exactly the mode which requires systemd? ;) (I think pam module based usage could also work) | 21:42 |
| ed3 | No, any suitable mode would suffice | 21:42 |
| used____ | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSingleSignOn#Use_with_a_Yubikey_in_PIV_mode ? | 21:42 |
| used____ | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSingleSignOn in general | 21:44 |
| ed3 | Interesting | 21:45 |
| ed3 | Lemme give that a try | 21:45 |
| ed3 | If I'm successful, is there any place that I could document this for others? | 21:45 |
| used____ | https://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/YubiKey4 seems to cover all modes? | 21:46 |
| used____ | There is a wiki for devuan ed3 | 21:46 |
| ed3 | cool | 21:46 |
| ed3 | Thanks for your advice. I'll see if I can get PIV working. | 21:46 |
| used____ | Also Arch docs tend to be good, can also look at: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/YubiKey | 21:47 |
| used____ | What is the default installed suspend mechanism on Beowulf? | 21:51 |
| Vall | Howdy everyone | 21:52 |
| Vall | I have progress to report on installing Chimaera on my HP ZBook 17 G4 Xeon laptop. | 21:53 |
| Vall | As sugested here by fsmithred and others, I booted from the Devuan Live image: devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso | 21:54 |
| Vall | And it worked mostly perfectly. | 21:54 |
| Vall | Much, but much better than with ASCII. | 21:55 |
| used____ | I see sleep related things on Beowulf in `/lib/elogind/system-sleep` and `/lib/systemd/system-sleep` -- is the latter executed by some systemd surrogate script? | 21:57 |
| Vall | Almost all hardware features I tested worked perfectly, and those that didn't (like some hardware keys, thunderbolt port, nvidia GPU, etc), I'm pretty confident that can be made to work given sufficient elbow grease | 21:57 |
| used____ | Spiking `/usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/95hdparm-apm` with a logger line brought no relief. What does Devuan do for sleep/wake scripts? | 22:05 |
| used____ | Hmm I see elogind should do stuff instead of systemd. | 22:07 |
| Vall | My problem right now is that I need to install a ton of stuff to continue with installation/configuration/testing, and I'm offgrid (had to drive a few dozen Kms to where I am right now, which is the nearest point where I have internet access. | 22:07 |
| golinux | Vall: ping | 22:08 |
| Vall | Is there a set of DVD or whatever ISOS containing most/all Chimaera packages, so I can download them and bring with me to my off-grid location to continue to install and configure my machine? | 22:13 |
| Vall | I'm looking for something similar to devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso, but can't find it. | 22:18 |
| Vall | Any tips welcome. | 22:18 |
| Jjp137 | Vall, you probably want the desktop iso which is ~3.5gb | 22:23 |
| Vall | Jjp137: you mean devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso? It's only 1.2GB and do not contain any install packages | 22:29 |
| used____ | This is driving me nuts. On Beowulf, suspend works great, but scripts in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/ are not triggered at all when doing so. | 22:29 |
| brocashelm | vall: you want devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_desktop.iso | 22:31 |
| brocashelm | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/ | 22:31 |
| Vall | Thanks brocashelm ! | 22:32 |
| used____ | So, on Beowulf, NONE of the systemd, elogind, or pm-tools sleep/wake scripts are run by the system?! | 22:37 |
| used____ | Halp. Any ideas where to look? | 22:37 |
| used____ | Will be back tomorrow. | 22:37 |
| used____ | pm-utils is available but not installed. Version available is 1.4.1, 11 years old. That mwans it might work! | 22:42 |
| used____ | Is anyone using pm-utils on Beowulf? | 22:43 |
| fsmithred | pm-utils works on all versions of devuan | 22:44 |
| fsmithred | all releases. I haven't tried it on ceres | 22:44 |
| used____ | Hi fsmithred. works for sure, but is not installed. Will it conflict with existing suspend arrangements (defaults controlled by xfce4 pm) on Beowulf? | 23:02 |
| used____ | Will be back tomorrow. | 23:07 |
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