libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2021-12-01

ARoxdaleHello. I'm having issues after upgrading from Beowulf to Chimaera. My wifi has stopped working. wlan0 is not appearing in ifconfig, and network manager lists no available wifi networks.01:08
gnarfaceany errors in dmesg after boot?01:09
ARoxdaleYes. rtw_8822be ... Direct firmware load for rtw88/rtw8822b_fw.bin failed with error -201:10
ARoxdaleThere another "failed to request firmware" failure01:10
gnarfacemake sure you have the firmware package for that driver, some of them require a non-free package; maybe yours went missing during the upgrade for whatever reason01:11
ARoxdaleThere's a firmware-realtek package, but when I try to reinstall it with apt, I get an error saying it cannot be downloaded (I am online with ethernet)01:15
ARoxdaleDo I need to enable non-free packages somewhere?01:15
gnarfacefor that package, yea.  you could have a problem with your /etc/apt/sources.list file01:15
gnarfacemake sure your upgrade included the new kernel too (it will not be in non-free, but you still may have omitted it accidentally)01:16
ARoxdaleIt's running 5.10.0.9 I think that's upgraded01:17
gnarfacei think so yea01:17
ARoxdaleThe version of firmware-realtek installed is 20190114-2. I think that is the same as was on Beowulf01:19
gnarfaceyou can check at pkginfo.devuan.org01:19
gnarfaceyou will most likely need the version that matches the current kernel01:20
gnarfaceit would make sense that if you upgraded the kernel then the old firmware may stop working01:20
ARoxdaleI only have "main" in my apt sources. Should I add non-free as well>01:21
gnarfaceyes01:22
gnarfacewell01:22
gnarfaceno01:22
ARoxdaleThe sources list was from this guide: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/upgrade-to-chimaera01:22
gnarfaceyou should add non-free just to install this one package, then you should remove it again01:23
ARoxdaleI'll try it and see if it finds the firmware01:23
ARoxdaleOK that worked like a charm. Wifi now works on the A485.01:26
ARoxdaleFor the record. I changed the first repo from the guide to "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main non-free"01:26
ARoxdaleI don't think I was prompted about non-free drivers in the upgrade process. It might be worth adding a reference to this in the guide.01:27
gnarfaceit probably doesn't matter in this case, but you typically want non-free on or off on all the lines at once01:27
gnarfacejust fyi01:27
ARoxdaleOK. Thanks.01:27
ARoxdaleMy only other issue at the moment is that the xfce logout prompt beeps the laptop speaker when opened. Is there a way of turning this off?01:28
gnarfacehah, maybe01:28
gnarfacefirst check alsamixer without pulseaudio running01:28
gnarfacesome drivers also have a module option you can set01:29
gnarfaceoccasionally on some hardware it is a bios setting01:29
gnarfaceand on some stuff there's nothing you can do but physically disconnect the speaker01:30
gnarfaceoh, you can probably disable the beep in the system shell and in various terminal emulator settings, and the gui login you're using might obey the shell thing01:31
gnarface(maybe)01:31
ARoxdaleThere are references to 'xset b off' online01:31
ARoxdaleThis is unusal because I've used xfce for years and never gotten this PC beep01:32
gnarfaceyea that's the shell thing, if you can get that into the controlling X process then in theory all well-behaved programs (even non-terminal ones) should inherit it01:32
gnarfacei don't know how to do that for a gui login though01:33
systemdleteThis version of xfce (chimaera) seems to group same programs together in the panel.  How do I ungroup them?   I've look through preferences->panel, desktop, tweaks, etc, but so far found nothing.04:38
systemdlete(would have been nice for this to be in a context menu... unless I missed that too!)04:39
Jjp137systemdlete, in the panel preferences, go to the items tab, select the Window Buttons item, then click the button that looks like a wrench (it's next to Remove)04:45
systemdletethank you, Jjp137, that was driving me nuts.  A bit obscure a fix, huh?   It makes sense, but I wouldn't have guessed that in a 1000 years04:47
systemdleteI should have figured they'd thrown a wrench into the works!  lol04:48
Jjp137np and usually you can right-click a panel item and get to its settings that way, but it's kinda hard to do that in this case04:48
* systemdlete nods04:49
sabas3dghhello do you guys have gnome with openRC?09:44
sabas3dghwhich version of gnome is currently available in devuan repos?09:44
sabas3dghthanks09:44
braddgnome/stable 1:3.38+3 amd64 so maybe 3.38?09:46
braddthats from apt search09:47
sabas3dghWhat would gnome with OpenRC lack in comparison to gnome-Systemd?09:52
sabas3dghbradd: ?09:52
braddnot really sure09:52
sabas3dghdo we have devuan gnome iso (current release) for me to download and Install?13:43
sabas3dghthanks13:43
buZzsabas3dgh: on devuan, there's not really a seperate iso for just a window manager choice13:59
buZzjust install devuan and install gnome in that13:59
furrymcgeethere is a desktop iso14:03
buZzright, but the intent is installing , i believe?14:04
sabas3dghWhat does the ISO come with?14:06
buZzstuff .. what are you looking for?14:06
debdogGNOME!14:06
buZzoh, the -live distro- uses xfce i think? but you could -INSTALL- devuan with gnome with that totally fine14:06
buZzor lxce? not sure14:07
buZzone of the low-bloat window managers14:07
debdog"desktop (4 GB): Use this DVD if there is no network available and/or a need for multiple offline installations. The image contains several desktop choices and additional software options. LXQt and KDE are only available on DVD."14:07
buZznot as low as fluxbox , obviously :P14:07
debdoghttps://www.devuan.org/get-devuan#iso-guide-for-i386-and-amd6414:07
buZzthanks debdog14:08
debdogso, as far as I can see, there is no devuan install medium containing gnmoe available14:08
GyrosGeierI think GNOME is now dependent on systemd and its dbus activation semantics14:10
GyrosGeierwhich are subtly different from dbus-x1114:10
debdogbut there are CD ISOs No. 2 to 4 available but I have no idea what's on them14:11
GyrosGeiergenerally, ISOs are sorted by popcon score and cluster14:13
GyrosGeierso CD1 will be self-contained and contain the most popular packages14:13
GyrosGeierCD1+CD2 together will be self-contained and contain a larger set of the most popular packages14:14
debdogwell, that is my point. there is no No. 1 CD14:14
GyrosGeieretc.14:14
GyrosGeierthe "server" CD is CD114:16
debdogok14:16
sabas3dghDo deavun offer native/full wayland desktop at the moment?14:18
debdogsabas3dgh: is a network connection the issue, as in the DVD has to contain gnome? otherwise, AFAICR, the  DVD's installer has an option to install gnome but a network connection is required.14:18
sabas3dghNo; You mean install gnome from installer, getting the package ONLINE at the same time?14:19
sabas3dghchoosing desktop(gnome) in the installation process?14:20
sabas3dghwhat about wayland?14:20
debdogright. gnome14:20
debdogwayland. no clue14:20
sabas3dghNo wayland?14:21
debdogwayland is available but I have no clue how to install it and whether the installer has an option or not.14:21
sabas3dghThanks a lot for your time guys14:52
sabas3dghDo anyone know how to enable KMS (Kernel Mode Setting) on devuan?14:52
debdogshould™ be enabled by default14:54
sabas3dghhow to check?15:03
debdoghmm, good question. I see it during boot, when the screen turns black for a moment and afterwards the resolution is different15:13

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