libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2018-06-02

DocScrutinizer05((<KatolaZ> you must decide what you put in your sources.list, and nobody else)) ohmy you need to improve your help skills02:37
DocScrutinizer05((<KatolaZ> xrogaan: I already answered that question)) no you didn't02:37
DocScrutinizer05xrogaan: I have no real clue but I'd prolly add the needed debian repo to sources.list (or even replace the devuan sources.list by the debian one temporarily), then apt-get update, apt-get install <x11 debug package>, and then immediately revert all edits I did to souces.list and run apt-get update again04:18
xrogaanthe debug symbols aren't something threatening to the integrity of the system. What might be bad is if the symbols don't match the binary, in which case I won't be able to debug04:19
DocScrutinizer05what's the point in this obvious statement?04:20
xrogaanI intend to remove the thing once I'm done with it.04:20
xrogaanI wouldn't replace my source.list with pure debian though :)04:20
DocScrutinizer05you didn't understand how stuff works, did you?04:21
infobotnextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at, or
xrogaansame packages but installed differently?04:21
DocScrutinizer05you change sources.list *temporarily* to allow installation of one single debian package not avaulable under amprolla merged04:22
djphweird that amprolla doesn't just 'fallthru' to debian proper04:22
DocScrutinizer05then as I clearly stated you immediately revert all changes to your sources.list04:22
DocScrutinizer05djph: it does?04:23
xrogaanDocScrutinizer05: Yeah, that requires me remembering things. I wouldn't trust myself :)04:23
DocScrutinizer05when you can't remember that you did a "mv sources.list souces.list.ORIG" a 15min ago and you need to "mv sources.list.ORIG souces.list" after you're done instaling your package, then you actually have a much bigger problem that one software package missing04:26
DocScrutinizer05in maemo you could have used a script I made, for exactly similar issue related to maemo-extras vs maemo-extras-devel repo,  -- however you still need to remeber to actually run the right commands04:30
DocScrutinizer05xrogaan: there's only one simple rule: NEVER do an apt-get upgrade or install an arbitrary package as long as you run a modified sources.list. ONLY use modifications to sources.list TEMPORARILY to apt-get install <one-particular-package-not-available-otherwise>04:54
DocScrutinizer05djph: I think devuan lacks the one *new* debian repo that has debug packages - at least that's what I distilled from previous chat in here05:00
DocScrutinizer05djph: otherwise "fall through" is exactly how amprolla works05:01
djphah, that's teh piece i was missin' then05:02
DocScrutinizer05in a nutshell devuan repo has redirects to debian(!) repo packages, except for those packages that got forked in devuan to neuter systemd05:24
DocScrutinizer05see the links !amprolla provided above05:26
DocScrutinizer05obviously when debian introduces a new repo (e.g. for debug packages) then amprolla needs to know about that and a equivalent new devuan repo needs to get created, to forward to the debian repo (except for those packages bla bla). This is what is missing here, so adding the original *new* debian repo to your sources list is a viable work around as long as you act careful and remove that repo from your sources.list as soon as you did05:30
DocScrutinizer05whatever you needed that new debian repo for, like installing a package with debug symbols05:30
DocScrutinizer05I *think* a possible alternative approach would be to simply download from debian repo and dpkg -i install the package you want05:35
DocScrutinizer05downside: no check for dependencies in dpkg -i05:36
DocScrutinizer05to check for pending doom in tweaking sources.list, you could do (assuming your system is correctly up-to-date via apt-get upgrade etc): tweak souces.list ("cp sources.list BACKUP" first!), then apt-get update; apt-get --simulate upgrade: ' this will list all packages that would get messed up if you do something silly while using the tweaked sources.list. Then revert to normal by "mv BACKUP sources.list" and "apt-get update"05:49
golinuxdjph: Amprolla does pretty m=much that.  IIRC amproplla uses redirects to pull from the Debian repos but with filters to ban any packages requiring systemd06:18
DocScrutinizer05that's what >>nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at, or<< says, yes06:21
DocScrutinizer05ooh a new version :-)06:21
DocScrutinizer05!literal amprolla06:23
infobot"amprolla" is "<reply>nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at, or"06:23
DocScrutinizer05!amprolla is also
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0506:23
infobotnextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at, or, or
erusimaHi. Does anyone know how to install devuan on headless system? Is it at least possible to boot it with sshd?17:34
aglhen will be devuan-ascii-2.0.0 released? On the mirrors there is a directory devuan_ascii with the date 2018-Jun-1.20:52
aglBut there is nothing inside20:52
KatolaZagl: when it' ready20:52
phoggsooner if you help20:52
aglI help for the ARM-Version20:53
aglparazyd is my adress20:53
KatolaZyou can use the RC in the meanwhile20:53
aglyes i download it in this moment20:54
aglth virtual discs for virtualbox and qemu20:55
msiismKatolaZ: so, is the plan to have a new installer ready when releasing Beowulf? (just curious)21:33
KatolaZmsiism: we are not releasing beowulf...22:03
fsmithrednot even for Christmas?22:04
KatolaZfsmithred: given that there are 365 days in a year, of which only 6 are after Christmas, there is a high probability that Beowulf's release data will be before Christmas22:08
msiismKatolaZ: i'm well aware that what is being released next is ASCII.22:09
KatolaZ(now, be careful I didn't specify the year, so I hope nobody goes on Dev1Galaxy saying that Beowulf will come next Christmas) :D22:09
golinuxCan we please just leave Christmas out of the equation.  It's such a downer.  How about solstice!22:12
golinuxAstronomical events are appropriate for Devuan22:12
* msiism sometimes feels like Devuan is an astronomical event.22:14
aglHow can I switch on the grafical login (lightdm) when I installed xfce4?23:24
golinuxslim is the default for xfce4.  iiuc lightdm requires a different *kit combo that may or may not be compatible with Xfce.23:29
aglok! How can I switch on (slim or lightdm)? I can only start Xwindows with "startx".23:31
aglI want the windows for login of X-Windows?23:34
gnarfaceusually works automatically once you install one of them23:35
aglok .. I will try23:35
gnarfacelightdm, gdm, xdm, kdm?  there are a few, i don't know what they're all called.23:35
aglThanks :)23:36
golinuxagl: Are you on jessie or ascii23:37
aglon ascii-rc23:37
aglthe virtual disc for quemu23:37
golinuxOK.  Don't know about that method but I do know that's a backend problem with polkit/consolekit.23:39
KatolaZgolinux: there is no backend problem if the desktop is installed via tasksel23:47
KatolaZ(or by a user who actually knows what to install by hand:))23:47
aglOK I have selected over tasksel the installation  of xfce423:51

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