libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2021-06-10

omenis it safe to install .deb packages still or will I end up with systemd?09:58
omenI was thinking of trying out the Alacritty terminal09:59
yetiget the deb-src and rebuild that on devuan?10:06
omenis that a no? :D10:07
omenit's just a single .deb package10:07
omenI don't think I'm able to build it if it needs any work10:08
omenI'll check if I can find another fast terminal that I can update with apt10:09
Hurgotronomen: Lots of packages from Debian just work. But some may have systemd dependencies. Have a close look when trying to install.10:10
jonadabomen: If you already have all the dependencies for a .deb, for an application like that, then it's probably fine; but it's also a bit odd that it's not in the Devuan repository, if it doesn't require systemd.10:14
jonadab(Unless it's proprietary and only available from a proprietary repo, like Opera.)10:14
omenit's not on the official debian repo either10:14
jonadabIn general, third-party binaries are usually frowned upon in *nix circles.10:15
omenit's on beta phase still10:15
jonadab(First-party binaries are ones you compiled yourself.  Second-party is in this case the Devuan repos.  Third-party is any other source.)10:15
omeni see10:15
omenI have complied couple programs in my life. It's baffling for me that some of us compile their whole os10:16
jonadabWindows users are accustomed to needing to use third-party binaries *all the time*, because first-party binaries are a ridiculous hassle to create beyond the bounds of all reason, and second-party is extremely limiting because Windows comes with, basically, nothing.10:16
jonadabBut in *nix circles, compiling something yourself is usually considered significantly preferable to using a third-party binary.  It's also often easier.10:17
omenand for version control they would use like git?10:19
jonadabLinux distros come with so much in their repos, that a lot of users don't even need anything else; and when you do, getting a working build environment is as easy as apt-get install build-essential, and a lot of software is really easy to compile on *nix.10:19
flingomen: try gentoo10:19
flinggentoo also works on windows too10:19
jonadabThese days, git is the most common version control; mercurial and darcs are other common ones.10:20
jonadabThere are also still a few projects still kicking around with CVS (*shudder*) or, almost as bad, SVN.10:20
jonadabHopefully nobody is still using RCS.10:20
Hurgotronjonadab: I think xfwm4-themes is not in Devuan but it's in Debian. Can't see any systemd dependencies.10:21
jonadabHmm, dunno.10:21
omeni really like the default xfwm theme on devuan10:22
HurgotronI didn't give it too much thought (well, usually I'm in a hurry when installing a new syste...) so I just grabbed the Debian version. But it seemed to be an oddity to me10:22
omen"Clearlooks-Phenix-Cinnebar", might be default on debian also10:24
omenwhen i build my programs, are they more optimized for my system?11:56
luser978they are no00011:57
luser978they are more gentoo, then11:57
ShorTiei'd say only if you have a custom gcc omen12:42
ShorTienothing like Gentoo12:42
ShorTieit's in a class of it's own12:43
omenI built the terminal emulator. It's awesomely fast but with 60hz monitor I don't know if it even matters. I have 240hz13:01
omenit's weird. The speed difference does not matter but everything feels smoother13:03
golinuxomen: Clearlooks-Phenix-Cinnebar was put together specifically for Devuan.18:24
brocashelmhurgotron: xfwm4-themes is also not available in debian. it was removed from some reason. the last branch to include it was stretch (ascii for devuan). just install it from that repository and you should be set18:39
Hurgotronbrocashelm: Ah thanks. I guess I just googled it when I didn't find it in Devuan and downloaded it from the Debian pool without paying attention for versions.19:25

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