| onefang | unclouded: according to http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html and https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html there isn't any problem with that server right now. So it might be just you. | 10:40 |
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| onefang | http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html and https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html give the status of our package mirrors. | 23:29 |
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| onefang | Another thing apt-panopticon is good for, comparing package mirrors. | 08:41 |
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| onefang | Walking the package mirror list is exactly what apt-panopticon does. Think I've mentioned this before. lol | 08:52 |
| onefang | That's why apt-panopticon has weekly stats. | 08:57 |
| rwp | I would think that at that moment apt-panopticon is probably logging at least one error with at least one mirror already. | 08:59 |
| rwp | Looking at apt-panopticon is good for understanding the state of things. But looking there won't get you an error free update and upgrade. | 09:02 |
| onefang | One of these days I'll get around to making apt-panopticon cleverer about this sort of thing. It's on the TODO. | 00:28 |
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| onefang | Which is why apt-panopticon tests several packages, including specifically picking a new one / update. | 06:37 |
| onefang | apt-panopticon does a bunch of tests on package mirrors. | 06:40 |
| onefang | http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html includes that info in the Updated coloumn. I try to get them updated every 30 minutes, but some admins want to run slower. | 06:40 |
| onefang | Both of those mirrors have been passing the apt-panopticon tests. Though the 147.78.194.22 (mirror.ungleich.ch) has a complication with the way they set up their DNS. The tests are run from two different locations, soon to be three again. | 08:04 |
| fsmithred | paculino, check apt-panopticon | 21:47 |
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| fsmithred | http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | oh! apt-panopticon has a column of speed ranges for the mirrors: http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 14:00 |
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| onefang | Reading through the nights backlog. fsmithred mentions the column of speed ranges from apt-panopticon. When you mention that you should also point out that it's the speed measured from the server apt-panopticon is running on. Which is why I like to have a few instances of apt-panopticon spread around the world. Obviously the one running on my own mirror gives my own mirror an incredible speed measure, | 22:24 |
| onefang | coz local SSD is much faster than the Internet, even if filtered through my local web server. Which brings up the other issue, if a particular mirror has faster bandwidth than the server running apt-panopticon, then it can't measure that excess speed. So in general, take those speed measurements with an appropriate dose of salt. | 22:24 |
| * onefang wakes up, reads the backlog, adds a "have apt-panopticon check mirror server time" TODO item. | 23:15 | |
| onefang | apt-panopticon says there's nothing wrong with that mirror as of a few minutes ago. | 04:13 |
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| onefang | repo.jing.rocks can be a tiny bit unreliable, but not very often. I get emails about it from apt-panopticon. Right now I need to fix apt-panopticon itself, then put the Indian instance back, now that it's done moving. | 02:05 |
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| onefang | apt-panopticon is fixed now. B-) | 02:42 |
| onefang | Do I have to add all the popular proxies in front of all our apt-panopticon instances? Just to check more failure cases. | 02:23 |
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| onefang | I hate multipliers for apt-panopticon. Using up more bandwidth for each mirror, for each test, from each tester, ... | 02:34 |
| onefang | gnarface and systemdlete: I did do a bit of groking of apt and friends code while writing apt-panopticon. Which is how I came up with crazy things like the URL sanity test. It pokes at and prods all sorts of things to do with the various apt processes. | 02:07 |
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| onefang | BUt note that apt-panopticon says in big red letters at the top that it is experimental, and at the bottom that it is alpha. There is a bunch of TODO items in the code, in the docs, and in my bug tracker. Some of those relate to getting the package mirrors to do better. Like carefully order how metadata and data is synced. Debian has a script they use I think. | 02:10 |
| onefang | Devuan holds our sources in our git. Even apt-panopticon has a copy there. | 02:26 |
| onefang | In general my answer is - as part of apt-panopticon I try to figure out the various ways the various apt tools might fail to work with a Devuan package mirror. Including following links to Debian mirrors. There's sooo many tools, I have sooo many TODO items... | 02:28 |
| onefang | Any help poking at odd corner cases in the code of the lesser used tools, especially if they result in suitable Lua code for adding to apt-panopticon, would be appreciated. | 02:32 |
| gnarface | hmm, i didn't think about the possibility of cross-referencing the cache errors through apt-panopticon | 02:36 |
| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html includes the IPs | 02:17 |
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| onefang | apt-panopticon is the tool I wrote to check for those things. What systemdlete was looking at was a problem THEY had. | 10:47 |
| onefang | apt-panopticon can't download every single package every time it tests, it tries to pick small ones. | 10:48 |
| onefang | apt-panopticon does check debian-security redirects, just not that particular package. | 11:14 |
| onefang | After switching apt-panopticon to test with that package, ALL those that mirror Debian as well failed. | 11:33 |
| onefang | And I definitely know that apt-panopticon doesn't use apt directly, but that's a different case. It's testing every step of the apt process on the package mirrors. | 03:34 |
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| onefang | That's why if there's some mirror issue, I want to know the IP of the errant mirror. Especially if it's something apt-panopticon isn't finding. | 03:49 |
| onefang | This is random failures. apt-panopticon does a whole bunch of downloads from all the package mirrors, including HTTPS, using curl. One will fail, but the very next one a fraction of a second later to the same mirror will work. | 01:13 |
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| onefang | Well apt-panopticon displays times in GMT, but I do keep a UTC clock on my desktop | 01:32 |
| rwp | Guest30, (gnarface) onefang's mirror report page: https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 15:56 |
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| onefang | That's what apt-panopticon is for. | 04:13 |
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| onefang | Xenguy: apt-panopticon isn't checking everything, every now and then we find a new thing to test for. | 05:17 |
| onefang | I just checked, apt-panopticon downloads and checks the Packages.xz file, coz it's smaller and I'm trying to keep bandwidth usage down for these constant checks. | 05:22 |
| onefang | This problem might explain the errors my apt-panopticons been emailing me for the last day or two while I was- busy moving house. More digging needed, at both ends. | 05:23 |
| onefang | So the sort of thing I do not want to spend my weekend frustratingly tracking down, after my house move from hell, when others have more experience with the actual source of the problem. I'll add a TODO to add atest to apt-panopticon, then try to get back to relaxing So yeah, "wait until tomorrow". | 05:30 |
| onefang | People wonder why apt-panopticon does crazy things like check /// in URLs and check the Release files for dates in the future, ... now I'm adding "check if .xz files are really .gz files" ... coz this shit happens. lol | 05:34 |
| onefang | But I do have other servers testing the package mirrors constantly via apt-panopticon, so if we know which particular server it was... | 06:17 |
| onefang | So if you can find the IP of the DNS round robin package mirror giving you trouble, then https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html might help you dig further. | 06:30 |
| onefang | The other test sites for apt-panopticon are having no timeouts. So central / west Europe maybe? | 06:33 |
| onefang | For those playing along at home, https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt will tell you where each package mirror is, and the other two apt-panopticon test sites are http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html and https://ap.in.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 06:43 |
| onefang | I wrote apt-panopticon to test the package mirrors, it sends me emails if there's problems. | 21:06 |
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| onefang | debdog: dan9er left so can't tag them. apt-panopticon is my baby, it monitors Devuan package mirrors, probing them in all sorts of ways. I do have a TODO item to add TOR support https://sledjhamr.org/mantisbt/view.php?id=78 | 02:50 |
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| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://ap.in.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 02:52 |
| onefang | https://mishka.snork.ca/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html is currently broken. | 02:53 |
| debdog | http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 21:38 |
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| dan9er | There's probably some existing work in Debian to add onion service support to apt-panopticon | 21:42 |
| onefang | As for that forum thread, the various apt-panopticons can connect to the repo.jing.rocks package mirror fine. | 02:10 |
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| hyperreal | on the apt-panopticon page I see my mirror has some errors but I don't know what's causing them | 02:21 |
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| onefang | Hopefully now that it's working your mirror will pass apt-panopticon's weekly update stats test in a weeks time, then I can fully activate it. | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | mirror checker is here if you want to try another: http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 15:58 |
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| gnarface | uh, i think this is the stats url? http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 02:11 |
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| fsmithred | apt-panopticon knows about the errors on stinpriza. | 17:12 |
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| debdog | http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 17:12 |
| onefang | debdog: Thanks for letting us know, though my apt-panopticon tends to stumble across these, and I keep an eye on that when I'm not bed ridden like I have been for the last couple of weeks. Another couple of days of recovery and I'll be back to herding the package mirror admins. | 23:35 |
| onefang | 131.188.12.211 is currently passing all apt-panopticon checks. Wait 30 minutes and try again after it's updated. | 19:42 |
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| onefang | Well things like Ceres are not checked thoroughly by apt-panopticon, it's testing, it's nature is to break sometimes. shrug | 20:23 |
| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 20:55 |
| onefang | We use https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html to monitor the package servers, you can check the IP you get against that to see if that particular server is having issues at that time. | 03:34 |
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| onefang | No problems turning up on apt-panopticon for pkgmirror right now. And I just woke up. | 04:09 |
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| onefang | I wrote apt-panopticon to check on the health of package mirrors, it'll download some metadata files and packages from each mirror, and check things like hashes and PGP signatures. | 05:07 |
| sfox | oh, nice. Have you ever found anything with your tool apt-panopticon? | 05:08 |
| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://ap.in.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://mishka.snork.ca/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 05:09 |
| onefang | In the aapt-panopticon results the "DNS round robin" shows you the mirrors that are in it, and their IPs. | 05:19 |
| joerg | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/search?q=apt-panopticon | 00:03 |
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| onefang | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt section 7 at the end lists all 4 of the official apt-panopticons. Listing them elsewhere would be up to our web people. | 01:59 |
| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://ap.in.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://mishka.snork.ca/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 02:02 |
| onefang | That's one reason I have geographically distributed instances of apt-panopticon, the thing I wrote to monitor package mirrors. It includes speed reports and graphs. | 15:20 |
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| onefang | ted-ious: There are links to the source at the bottom of the apt-panopticon web reports. https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html is the one I run on my server. | 15:55 |
| joerg | frequently updated Devuan apt-panopticon mirror web reports. https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 19:26 |
| bb|hcb | joerg: http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html (from a different point of view) | 19:52 |
| onefang | I keep an eye on these things with my apt-panopticon. Any package mirror that isn't updating every 30 minutes I temporarily remove from the deb.devuan.org DNS-RR. | 10:04 |
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| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://ap.in.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://mishka.snork.ca/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 10:05 |
| onefang | That's one of the reasons for apt-panopticon. It downloads packages and checks hashes and stuff. | 10:11 |
| onefang | I've been busy trying to find anew home, now I'll be busy moving for the second time this year. I hope to settle down so I can work more on things like apt-panopticon. It needs to check CC mirrors now, and other things. | 10:12 |
| onefang | So if it was one of the deb.devuan.org RR mirrors, which is likely since you have no clue which one, I tend to remove them from the RR if they do not update every 30 minutes. And I test that with apt-panopticon. | 11:08 |
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| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html isn't reporting any down or recently updating deb.devuan.org mirrors. | 08:47 |
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| onefang | mirror.ungleich.ch has been having timeouts on https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html, it's weekly up statistic is down to 97% | 13:16 |
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| onefang | bb|hcb suggested I use the timeout command for apt-panopticon, which I've been trying out since yesterday. The docs say it returns a status of "124" if it had to TERM the process, but "128+9" if you used the -k option to KILL it if the TERM didn't work. I'm getting 124 and 0 respectively. | 13:28 |
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| onefang | For checking I wrote apt-panopticon, which is running on five servers - https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://ap.in.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://mishka.snork.ca/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 00:02 |
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| rwp | Honestly when I look at the apt-panopticon results my eyes glaze over because there is so much detail. I need to learn how to read it. (But not today. [:smile:]) | 00:06 |
| hagbard | You can see there, which mirrors are behaving, and which not: https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 23:31 |
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| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html can be helpful. | 02:01 |
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| onefang | apt-panopticon does check Debian packages to, and divesa bit deeper. Guess I need to add a check for "this mirror uses their own Debian mirror, check updatedness of that", coz they are showing as updated. | 00:34 |
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| rwp | Guest96, onefang has a tool https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html which monitors the state of the mirrors if you want to dig into the details of which is what. | 19:15 |
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| hagbard | Hmm, according to panopticon, that mirror is up and okay: https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 14:48 |
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| onefang | Keep in mind when using https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html that my server company still hasn't fixed IPv6 after they moved a bunch of servers. Use http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html if IPv6 tests are important to you. | 16:52 |
| onefang | And for those of us using it for apt-panopticon, there's a bunch of others running it - | 04:05 |
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| onefang | https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 04:06 |
| onefang | http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 04:06 |
| onefang | https://mishka.snork.ca/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 04:06 |
| onefang | https://ap.in.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 04:06 |
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