libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2021-05-07

de-factocurfew works, thats why its beneficial.00:00
de-factothere is a correlation between incidence falling and nightly curfew, whatever the exact mechanism is00:00
de-factomaybe people begin to realize that its serious and they need to put some effort into distancing?00:01
LjLde-facto, did you change your mind on that? i thought you thought it was futile00:01
de-factoits futile to do it only during sleeping time, it needs to affect a majority of people00:01
LjLi see00:01
de-factobut its better than nothing00:01
LjLwhat time is the curfew now?00:01
LjLGreece is going to smove the curfew from 21 to 22 then to 23 then remove it :(00:02
LjLmove*00:02
rpifan10pm00:02
LjLsame as here then00:02
rpifanbut until midnight00:02
LjLoh00:02
rpifanif you walk alone00:02
LjLah, right00:02
LjLi wouldn't mind if it lasted only until say 2am00:02
ryoumacorrelation aside doesn't curfew increase the population during the open times?00:02
LjLi kind of want to have lone nightly walks ;(00:02
rpifanyes00:03
de-factohere when weekly incidence was >100/100k it was from 21:00 -> 05:00, nationwide from 22:00->05:00 with the exception to allow going for a walk till 24:0000:03
rpifanwe all do00:03
LjLryouma, that's something that concerns me, but i think that is where de-facto's reasoning that it needs to be at an "effective" time comes in00:03
LjLif you make it too late, people will just cram in at earlier hours00:03
LjLif you make it at 9pm or so, people may not have time to do much of anything00:03
ryoumai mean i trust empirical results more than my a priori question but still00:03
ryoumai want to know why things work00:03
ryoumaif they work00:03
LjLwell, empirical results have proven evanescent to assess :P00:03
ryoumayes and ioannidis and all that00:04
ArsaneritI think the walking alone thing is fine.  Why should people be allowed to walk a dog but not walk themselves alone?00:05
Arsaneritgn00:05
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: World’s Most-Vaccinated Nation Activates Curbs as Cases Rise → https://is.gd/GEGBrr00:06
de-factoi have seen it in my city here, it worked everytime, when there was curfew incidence began to fall like 5 days later or such00:07
ryoumathere are also things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect00:08
ryoumapotentially00:09
ryoumahuh, it is potentially a dodgy effect00:10
IndoAnonFrom what I see, it's redundant00:12
CoronaBot/r/covid19: Preliminary Analysis of Safety and Immunogenicity of a SARS-CoV-2 Variant Vaccine Booster (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.05.21256716v1 | https://redd.it/n6byj900:13
IndoAnonFirst, there's no place to go after the curfew because business hour restriction...00:13
de-factoyeah its not about being outdoors, its about not going to some other location indoors00:14
IndoAnonIn case of NL, they're limited to 1 adult guest per day00:15
IndoAnonThere's no way to determine whether the morning/afternoon/evening guest went to sleepover or not00:15
IndoAnonMaybe the government doesn't want to say... "don't have sex with a person who isn't your long term partner/spouse"00:17
IndoAnon... bad joke eh00:19
rpifanlol00:22
de-factowith only minimal more control government can make a really big difference on incidence, just by making people realize they have to change their behavior00:25
de-factothats why i dont understand why they always go for the opposite, implementing taking back restrictions based on their speculations rather than targeting them at the main transmission paths and enforcing them to stay in place as long as there is success in falling incidence00:27
IndoAnon>  main transmission paths < if that's the case, the biggest "transmission within different household" pretty much happened in medical facilities, schools, ~restaurants, and place where people are confined to space for hours e.g airplanes00:30
de-factowell yeah but we would have to base that on scientific studies, statistics, research00:31
IndoAnonthe basis for the fourth point, already happened since January last year... Where spreading happened inside long-haul bus00:33
IndoAnonAbout schools https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1620338775606.jpg00:34
de-factodamnit00:36
IndoAnonBibi is right about closing border... But not the schools00:37
BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): [Health Policy] Securing a sustainable and fit-for-purpose UK health and care workforce: Approximately 13% of the total UK workforce is employed in the health and care sector. Despite substantial workforce planning efforts, the effectiveness of this planning has been criticised. Education, training, and workforce plans [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mlp6TQ00:37
IndoAnonhttps://i.4cdn.org/pol/1620340633128.jpg about the restaurant00:38
BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): [The Lancet Commissions] LSE–Lancet Commission on the future of the NHS: re-laying the foundations for an equitable and efficient health and care service after COVID-19: The UK has recorded one of the highest death rates associated with COVID-19 globally, whether measured as deaths that are directly attributable to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/6Wdq6t00:48
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New analysis finds global Covid death toll is double official estimates → https://is.gd/tFzjpJ01:08
LjLnew analysis finds the same as old analyses01:19
BrainstormUpdates for Cameroon: +1726 cases (now 73976), +27 deaths (now 1134) since 4 days ago — Fiji: +1 deaths (now 3) since 11 hours ago01:31
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Covid: Concern increases over India variant in UK: Public health experts want the version B.1.617.2 to be made a "variant of concern", the BBC has been told. → https://is.gd/zQL7qW01:49
LjLmaybe they should have been "concerned" sooner01:52
LjLbut who could have known (except most of us here)01:52
de-factothis is why i am angry about they are about to drop both, testing and quarantine for "fully vaccinated" for international traveling, their classification for a "VoC" is WAY too slow01:54
de-factoit just does not work like that, the only way it could work is assuming the worst until proven otherwise01:56
de-factowe have seen it happening again and again, an optimistic approach is pre-determined for failure with the pandemic, only a pessimistic approach has the chance for success01:57
de-factounfortunately, but thats just how it is01:57
de-factothat is also the reason for the spike in India imho01:58
de-factothey assumed its over until proven otherwise by the pathogen01:58
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Nepal facing ‘human catastrophe’ similar to India’s amid Covid surge → https://is.gd/ARmtgQ02:17
BrainstormUpdates for Colombia: +16490 cases (now 3.0 million), +399 deaths (now 76414) since a day ago — Uruguay: +3582 cases (now 213449), +54 deaths (now 2972) since a day ago — Ukraine: +3723 cases (now 2.1 million), +231 deaths (now 46202) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +1847 cases (now 4.4 million), +14 deaths (now 127707) since 22 hours ago02:33
de-factodangit Nepal looks really bad02:47
de-factohttp://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India;Pakistan;Bangladesh;Nepal;Bhutan&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff02:53
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canada inches closer to waiving intellectual property rights on vaccines, amid political pressure → https://is.gd/7vUdaO03:09
BrainstormUpdates for Egypt: +1110 cases (now 234015), +59 deaths (now 13714) since a day ago — Suriname: +120 cases (now 10816), +1 deaths (now 213) since 23 hours ago — Ivory Coast: +84 cases (now 46315) since a day ago03:35
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: US Vice President Kamala Harris’ family in India grapples with Covid → https://is.gd/6rl25X03:40
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +10162 cases (now 3.5 million) since 21 hours ago04:00
BrainstormNew from Politico: Europe’s social scorecard: The coronavirus has injected a new uncertainty into EU plans for a more social union. → https://is.gd/Lj4as404:10
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Legendary Infectious Disease Expert From Rutgers Dies of COVID in India → https://is.gd/Hvm6wG04:31
BrainstormUpdates for Paraguay: +2566 cases (now 291540), +85 deaths (now 6883) since 23 hours ago04:37
SamizdatI'm here less than ten minutes, and the first two (2) posts I see are by a fake news bot.04:44
SamizdatAwesome.04:44
LjLit's been bot only for like two hours, i'm bored, and the first human i see is an annoying fuck joining channels just to be able to diss them after just ten minutes of being in them05:00
CoronaBot/r/covid19: Obstructive sleep apnea is highly prevalent in COVID19 moderate to severe ARDS survivors: Findings of level I Polysomnography in a tertiary care hospital (84 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.04.21256593v1 | https://redd.it/n6hory05:03
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: After US Reversal, EU 'Ready to Discuss' Covid-19 Vaccine Patent Waiver → https://is.gd/hGrm8h05:52
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dubai luxury home market soars as world's rich flee pandemic → https://is.gd/byCBA806:02
CoronaBot/r/coronavirus: Serbia will give 30$ to every person who gets vaccinated and unvaccinated people won't get paid sick leave if they catch coronavirus (10156 votes) | https://balkaninsight.com/2021/05/05/serbias-president-unvaccinated-public-workers-wont-get-sick-pay/ | https://redd.it/n6gbtd06:09
BrainstormUpdates for Belgium: +3518 cases (now 1.0 million), +38 deaths (now 24444) since a day ago — Germany: +11643 cases (now 3.5 million), +167 deaths (now 84507) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +6310 cases (now 1.3 million) since 22 hours ago06:29
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: How Asians became the most vaccinated group in New York City → https://is.gd/0E16pn06:53
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: At least 17 Everest climbers have tested positive for the coronavirus, but Nepal refuses to say there's an outbreak → https://is.gd/012KAp07:35
BrainstormUpdates for Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: +9185 cases (now 770401), +333 deaths (now 45914) since a day ago — Florida, United States: +4504 cases (now 2.3 million), +71 deaths (now 35549) since a day ago — Pakistan: +4298 cases (now 850131), +140 deaths (now 18677) since 22 hours ago — Punjab, Pakistan: +3901 cases (now 314517), +150 deaths (now 8891) since a day ago07:44
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.S. produced 164 million vaccine doses up to March 2021 without exporting any of them. U.K. manufactured 16 million doses without any shipments overseas. → https://is.gd/7csEnl07:45
BrainstormUpdates for Peru: +8214 cases (now 1.8 million), +247 deaths (now 63223) since 23 hours ago08:09
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID is leaving hundreds of Indian children orphaned. Now there are concerns of child trafficking → https://is.gd/y1KCtc08:16
BrainstormUpdates for India: +414188 cases (now 21.5 million), +3915 deaths (now 234083) since 23 hours ago08:34
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Biden’s support for vaccine patent waivers faces uphill effort in Europe → https://is.gd/qpQIJY08:58
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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Mosques full despite Pakistan’s Covid third wave → https://is.gd/7TRrY009:40
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Big Pharma says vaccine patent waiver sets dangerous precedent: Waiving patent protections for COVID-19 vaccines is fiercely opposed by Big Pharma because they say it would set a precedent that could threaten future innovations, and insist the move would not speed up production. → https://is.gd/abqXeR10:12
BrainstormUpdates for Maharashtra, India: +62194 cases (now 4.9 million), +853 deaths (now 73515) since a day ago — Kerala, India: +42464 cases (now 1.8 million), +63 deaths (now 5628) since a day ago — Tamil Nadu, India: +24898 cases (now 1.3 million), +195 deaths (now 14974) since a day ago — West Bengal, India: +18431 cases (now 935066), +117 deaths (now 11964) since a day ago10:38
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: This new COVID vaccine could bring hope to the unvaccinated world → https://is.gd/IsXDCX10:43
BrainstormUpdates for Philippines: +7713 cases (now 1.1 million), +108 deaths (now 18099) since 23 hours ago — Mauritius: +5 cases (now 1221) since a day ago11:03
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: News: EMA starts rolling review of sotrovimab (VIR-7831) for COVID-19 → https://is.gd/nj6ldS11:05
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19 treatments: under evaluation → https://is.gd/Cm0CF311:26
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19: latest updates → https://is.gd/ejWHzQ11:36
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BrainstormUpdates for Japan: +4027 cases (now 620754), +53 deaths (now 10568) since 23 hours ago — Myanmar: +29 cases (now 142903) since a day ago — Singapore: +25 cases (now 61311) since a day ago11:41
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Where are we with drug treatments for covid-19?: Where are the major trials for covid treatments?Dozens of large trials and hundreds of smaller studies are investigating potential covid-19 treatments around the world. The largest is the Recovery... → https://is.gd/njfZ2d11:46
BrainstormUpdates for Indonesia: +6327 cases (now 1.7 million), +167 deaths (now 46663) since 22 hours ago12:30
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Under 40s to be offered alternative to AZ vaccine: Link to rare blood clots leads to shift in vaccination programme for younger age groups. → https://is.gd/SLXgkw12:48
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Destination of the week: Thai travel agencies offer COVID-19 ‘vaccine tours’ to US → https://is.gd/BNA0wH12:59
BrainstormUpdates for Malaysia: +4498 cases (now 432425), +22 deaths (now 1632) since 23 hours ago — Bangladesh: +1682 cases (now 770842), +37 deaths (now 11833) since 22 hours ago13:08
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: Covid-19: Dark chocolate, fish, eggs in government’s list of foods to build immunity → https://is.gd/TsjOsG13:20
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen, COVID-19 vaccine (Ad26.COV2-S [recombinant]), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 11/03/2021, Revision: 2, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/leysw613:30
BrainstormUpdates for Latvia: +1036 cases (now 122545), +19 deaths (now 2197) since 23 hours ago13:32
BrainstormNew from Scientific American: Brazil's Pandemic Is a 'Biological Fukushima' That Threatens the Entire Planet: Residents of the Pairaisopolis favela in Sao Paolo wait for meal distribution in the economic crisis brought on by the pandemic. → https://is.gd/y8V4xV14:04
BrainstormUpdates for Nepal: +9023 cases (now 377603), +50 deaths (now 3579) since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +1546 cases (now 670613), +4 deaths (now 10698) since 23 hours ago14:35
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Doctors in Nepal warn of major crisis as virus cases surge: Across the border from a devastating surge in India, doctors in Nepal warned Friday of a major crisis as daily coronavirus cases hit a record and hospitals were running out of beds and oxygen. → https://is.gd/0nXgSB14:46
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Epidemiologist warns pandemic is far from over: According to the latest projections out by the CDC, the United States may see a sharp decline by July in COVID-19 cases—that is, if vaccinations continue and people wear masks where appropriate and adhere to social distancing. → https://is.gd/v4oavm15:08
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Pfizer seeks full FDA approval for its Covid-19 shot; EU is willing to explore Covid-19 IP waiver → https://is.gd/DYYsaL15:30
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BrainstormNew from Scientific American: Health: In Shock Move, U.S. Backs Waiving Patents on COVID Vaccines → https://is.gd/83jlnb15:51
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Biotech: STAT+: Moderna’s CEO says he ‘didn’t lose a minute of sleep’ over potential waiver of vaccine patents → https://is.gd/Q1vpU616:23
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Health: STAT+: How David beat Goliath: Advocacy groups seized a moment, and found allies, in bid to loosen vaccine patent rights → https://is.gd/sJAXWK16:45
BrainstormNew from LitCovid: (news): COVID-19 rise in Bangladesh correlates with increasing detection of B.1.351 variant. → https://is.gd/AGqDVw17:07
BrainstormUpdates for Belarus: +1354 cases (now 366305), +10 deaths (now 2612) since a day ago — Libya: +504 cases (now 179697), +4 deaths (now 3063) since a day ago — Bhutan: +29 cases (now 1190) since a day ago — Andorra: +27 cases (now 13390) since 21 hours ago17:10
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Leveraging CHWs to Improve SARS-CoV-2 Testing and Mitigation Among CJIs Accessing a Corrections-focused CBO → https://is.gd/sLn5Y317:29
BrainstormUpdates for Puerto Rico: +7 deaths (now 2355) since a day ago17:35
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Responses to COVID19 Vaccination in Patients With a Treatment History of Rituximab. → https://is.gd/wI5r3X17:40
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): High Body Mass Index and Severity of Coronavirus → https://is.gd/pJCWv618:23
BrainstormUpdates for Cuba: +1162 cases (now 113876), +12 deaths (now 713) since 22 hours ago18:37
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: EU sceptical of US push to lift COVID vaccine patents: The EU voiced scepticism Friday over the United States' sudden push to waive COVID vaccine patents to boost supply to poorer countries, while defending its own record as the world's biggest exporter of doses. → https://is.gd/dHwAth18:44
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: WHO panel OKs emergency use of China’s Sinopharm vaccine → https://is.gd/WZI9zr19:06
BrainstormUpdates for Chile: +6530 cases (now 1.2 million), +109 deaths (now 27004) since 23 hours ago19:08
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Gene tied to balding may also raise COVID risks for men: It's long been known that COVID-19 is more fatal for men than women, and new research links some of that excess risk to a gene known to cause a form of hair loss in males. → https://is.gd/Wit8IK19:16
BrainstormUpdates for Dominican Rep.: +774 cases (now 269958), +3 deaths (now 3517) since 23 hours ago — Italy: +10549 cases (now 4.1 million), +207 deaths (now 122470) since 23 hours ago — Uganda: +72 cases (now 42224), +1 deaths (now 346) since 23 hours ago19:33
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: EU reviews reports of rare nerve disorder after AstraZeneca's COVID-19 shot → https://is.gd/8gbk7H19:48
BrainstormNew from WebMD: WebMD Poll: Make COVID Vaccine Mandatory for Doctors?: Nearly two-thirds of WebMD readers who answered the poll questions say doctors and other health care professionals should be required to take the COVID-19 vaccine. → https://is.gd/4FpwPA19:58
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: UK to ease holiday travel ban yet keeps most quarantines: Britain announced a "first tentative step" Friday toward resuming international travel, saying U.K. citizens will be able to travel to countries including Portugal, Iceland and Israel later this month without having to quarantine upon their return. → https://is.gd/jzmzcF20:08
BrainstormUpdates for Canada: +5231 cases (now 1.3 million), +14 deaths (now 24498) since 20 hours ago20:10
BrainstormUpdates for Spain: +8186 cases (now 3.6 million), +66 deaths (now 78792) since a day ago20:35
BrainstormNew from StatNews: STAT+: WHO, international regulatory group urge pharma to publish clinical study reports: In a significant step, the WHO and an international regulatory group are urging drug makers to publish clinical study reports for new medicines and vaccines without redacting any confidential information. → https://is.gd/iL5iHd20:51
BrainstormUpdates for France: +13662 cases (now 5.8 million), +156 deaths (now 105987) since 23 hours ago21:00
BrainstormNew from Scientific American: Coronavirus News Roundup, May 1–May 7: A woman gives the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in Krakow, Poland on May 1, 2021 → https://is.gd/n4dwJ021:11
BrainstormNew from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: May 7, 2021 → https://is.gd/N18Ce021:32
BrainstormUpdates for Switzerland: +7 deaths (now 10702) since 23 hours ago21:37
BrainstormNew from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 6 maggio 2021: Ulteriori misure  urgenti  in  materia  di  contenimento  e  gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19. (21A02801) → https://is.gd/P8RbBL21:42
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: News Scan for May 07, 2021: High global COVID deaths Obesity and severe COVID-19 Polio in 2 countries Boost in monkeypox-smallpox vaccine supply → https://is.gd/82FYxi21:53
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: Real-world studies detail high Pfizer COVID vaccine protection: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News May 07, 2021 Israeli data show 92% effectiveness against asymptomatic COVID and 97% against symptomatic. → https://is.gd/kwT7cC22:34
BrainstormUpdates for N. Cyprus: +81 cases (now 6608), +1 deaths (now 33) since a day ago — Burundi: +39 cases (now 4132) since a day ago — Comoros: +7 cases (now 3854) since a day ago22:39
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Trudeau won’t state position on patent waivers for COVID-19 vaccines as pressure from MPs grows → https://is.gd/xdqxx922:44
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: WHO lists Sinopharm COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News May 07, 2021 Also, India reported another daily record for deaths, 4,197, along with 401,271 new cases. → https://is.gd/vLYyqF22:55
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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Indian delegation at G7 in London forced to self-isolate, tested positive for coronavirus after landing - despite presenting a negative test while boarding → https://is.gd/ZMZ2yd23:46

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