| nixonix | yeah i need to start using more words that wake up the interest of chinese AIs, so they will redirect my comments to some real spy | 00:17 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Second dose of AstraZeneca vaccine no longer recommended in Canada → https://is.gd/siUMHC | 00:19 |
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| nixonix | when anyone says "trust me", its better to just stop listening | 00:28 |
| nixonix | and "its probably nothing" is beyond funny as an argument | 00:29 |
| nixonix | or to me it is | 00:29 |
| martini_man[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/comments/o2s2re/anyone_deal_with_ongoing_symptoms_months_after/ | 00:37 |
| nixonix | SA had a summer peak. now they have winter, and official case numbers are soon as high as then | 00:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zimbabwe: +416 cases (now 42195), +13 deaths (now 1685) since a day ago | 00:38 |
| nixonix | when we discussed about pfizer efficacy for indian variant vs kent variant, that england or england wales study result was mentioned (was it 88 vs 94 or so), but the difference was higher in the scott study | 00:58 |
| nixonix | Two weeks after the second dose, Pfizer (PFE.N) BioNTech's vaccine was found to have 79% protection against infection from the Delta variant, compared to 92% against the Alpha variant | 00:58 |
| nixonix | adenoviruses can infect the cells of the respiratory tract, while herpes viruses can infect those of the skin and nervous system. In most cases, this does not lead to the production of new virus particles, as the viruses are suppressed by the immune system | 01:07 |
| nixonix | However, adenoviruses and herpes viruses can cause persistent infections that the immune system is unable to completely suppress and that produce viral particles for years | 01:08 |
| LjL | uh, herpes viruses often do stay dormant in the nerve ganglia | 01:08 |
| LjL | and by "often" i mean "always", at least for HSV | 01:08 |
| nixonix | adenoviruses that nasty too | 01:08 |
| LjL | sure, some people maybe only have one flare up in their life, lucky then | 01:08 |
| LjL | them* | 01:08 |
| LjL | nixonix, really? | 01:08 |
| nixonix | i mean that i quoted above | 01:09 |
| LjL | where do adenoviruses hide that the immune system doesn't reach? | 01:09 |
| LjL | maybe in the adenovirus case, it's only when the immune system really is compromised, like with HIV | 01:09 |
| LjL | but in the case of herpes, i have HSV like most of the population, my immune system is presumably "normal", but for many years i've had flareups every couple of weeks | 01:10 |
| nixonix | idk, i just saw that i quoted, in a research article of another subject | 01:10 |
| LjL | which is annoying as fuck | 01:10 |
| nixonix | i soon hate viruses more than insects, the more i keep reading | 01:10 |
| LjL | well i just had to kill two wasps so right at this moment i'm biased against insects | 01:10 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/06/210621123733.htm | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.sciencedaily.com: Microscopy deep learning predicts viral infections -- ScienceDaily | 01:11 |
| LjL | but i'm sure reading a couple of papers on viruses would change my mind quickly | 01:11 |
| LjL | martini_man[m], i wouldn't like to amplify things that may make people more scared of vaccines than warranted, but i know at least one person who had persistent "blehness" symptoms (nothing extreme, but fatigue) still a few weeks after the shot. but then they said they had allergies and they were a bit "bleh" in the same period of the year other years too | 01:13 |
| LjL | for sure, that post sounds like something worse than that | 01:13 |
| LjL | i'm a bit perplexed at the final mention "i’ve had a few rapid covid tests done and they were negative so i don’t know what to do" | 01:14 |
| Krey[m] | did CDC finally decided to move their ass and have the hugging meeting 💢 | 01:14 |
| LjL | why rapid tests? at this point the virus may well be gone. if that person has some effects of COVID, they're probably the "long COVID" type | 01:14 |
| LjL | which means you'd want to get an antibody test to see if you had COVID *before* | 01:14 |
| LjL | might be a bit tricky to find the right one, since an antibody test that reacts to the S-protein will also detect the vaccine | 01:15 |
| LjL | so you'd want a test that looks for the N-protein or other parts of the virus that aren't the S-protein | 01:15 |
| LjL | to distinguish between vaccine and past infection | 01:15 |
| LjL | Krey[m], not that i know of | 01:15 |
| LjL | but i haven't really refreshed their webpage all day or anything :P | 01:15 |
| nixonix | 23-25, as i pasted the quote yesterday (during the emergency meeting of the next subject) | 01:16 |
| nixonix | 23-25 june | 01:16 |
| Krey[m] | <LjL "Krey, not that i know of"> aAAAAAAAaaAAaAAaaAaaAaaAAaAAaaaaaAaaAAaAaaAAaAAA | 01:16 |
| Krey[m] | nixonix: ye i have that noted, was just hoping for miracle of competence u.u | 01:16 |
| nixonix | try to manipulate them to have it tomorrow | 01:17 |
| LjL | nixonix, they don't have a particular date/time scheduled for the part where they'll talk about the myocarditis? | 01:17 |
| LjL | didn't we see a schedule (maybe for the cancelled meeting) the other day? Krey[m] did you link to it? | 01:17 |
| nixonix | idk | 01:17 |
| LjL | well i mean 23 is tomorrow anyway | 01:17 |
| Krey[m] | <nixonix "try to manipulate them to have i"> too much effort | 01:17 |
| Krey[m] | ... also already tried that | 01:19 |
| Krey[m] | u.u | 01:19 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.thedailybeast.com/mystery-of-top-chinese-spymaster-dong-jingweis-rumored-defection-gets-weirder | 01:20 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.thedailybeast.com: Mystery of Top Chinese Spymaster Dong Jingwei’s Rumored Defection Gets Weirder | 01:20 |
| nixonix | CIA could use some magical master manipulators, like get information from chinese | 01:21 |
| LjL | aaaAAAAAAAAAAAAA tabloid | 01:21 |
| nixonix | cool with daily mail? i can look for something | 01:22 |
| LjL | no, definitely not cool with daily mail! | 01:23 |
| LjL | wikipedia calls the daily beast a "high-end tabloid", so probably cooler with it than with the daily mail :P | 01:24 |
| LjL | but hey let's celebrate, the italian secret services will now have a cyber division | 01:25 |
| LjL | just like the secret services hadn't already caused enough issues (and by "issues" i mean dead people) in italy! | 01:25 |
| nixonix | dm is ok, sometimes information that most media dont want to tell, and the best pics anyway. just not that accurate with checking things from other sources, so better do it yourself to verify | 01:26 |
| nixonix | then they have express and daily star... | 01:26 |
| nixonix | even sun has sometimes had good information for sars2. rarely, but it has happened | 01:27 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9701193/Another-summer-holiday-blow-Britons-Italy-imposes-five-day-quarantine-UK-visitors.html | 01:28 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.dailymail.co.uk: Another summer holiday blow for Britons as Italy imposes five-day quarantine for UK visitors | Daily Mail Online | 01:28 |
| LjL | five day quarantine, oh no! | 01:28 |
| LjL | how will anyone survive that | 01:28 |
| LjL | (also note that it also applies to italian who go to britain on holiday and come back...) | 01:29 |
| LjL | something i don't love about that Daily Beast article is that they immediately bait you about the Wuhan stuff but then never mention it again | 01:29 |
| nixonix | they wrote it off, as "majority of scientists say the origin was natural" or something | 01:31 |
| LjL | yeah except when they don't | 01:33 |
| LjL | it's like a compass needle at the north pole | 01:33 |
| LjL | what "scientists" are thinking about the virus origin on a given day | 01:33 |
| nixonix | Singapore recently increased the time most international travellers must spend in mandatory quarantine from 14 to 21 days, over concerns people can shed the virus beyond two weeks | 01:34 |
| nixonix | As Australia continues to look at ways to minimise spread of SARS-CoV-2 into the future, Murdoch University professor of immunology Cassandra Berry says it needs to "revisit" national quarantine arrangements. | 01:35 |
| nixonix | "If we made it 21 or 20 days, that may actually help reduce the virus spread even better," she said. "We'd likely see less outbreaks." | 01:35 |
| nixonix | imo they are a bit too hysterical in aus and nz | 01:37 |
| nixonix | then how would i know, we dont even have true lockdowns. maybe its something people just enjoy | 01:38 |
| nixonix | *havent had | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Rwanda: +622 cases (now 31435), +6 deaths (now 388) since a day ago — India: +940 deaths (now 388135) since 22 hours ago | 01:40 |
| LjL | nixonix, are they hysterical? in the meanwhile, they don't have the virus, we do | 01:42 |
| LjL | try telling de-facto they're hysterical for doing that when he's around tomorrow :P | 01:42 |
| nixonix | isnt he in germany? | 01:42 |
| LjL | yes, but he's quite a fan of quarantines and of "zero covid" approaches they've taken in countries like NZ and Australia | 01:43 |
| LjL | and tbh so am i if they could be implemented organically across the EU, but i think it's probably way too late now | 01:43 |
| nixonix | well if i think today they are too hysterical, i prob will think the same tomorrow, whoever is here | 01:43 |
| LjL | but you can see what's happening now... we're getting vaccinated, at a leisurely pace, and the virus is mutating, and by the time we're fully vaccinated we'll already be fearing a variant that breaks through the vaccine | 01:44 |
| nixonix | im for stricter border controls than europeans have had. but not to the level aus and nz had taken this all | 01:44 |
| LjL | i'm for the level that works | 01:45 |
| LjL | let's make it a binary search if you want | 01:45 |
| nixonix | in wuhan they took it even further | 01:45 |
| LjL | so far, the extremes are: NZ, Aus, works; EU, doesn't work | 01:45 |
| LjL | in Wuhan they took the *lockdown* much further, aside from the quarantine measures from people coming from elsewhere | 01:45 |
| LjL | i don't want to just stomp on people's ability to survive, of course, if that's what they did in Wuhan | 01:46 |
| LjL | but i don't think that's what they're doing in Australia or NZ | 01:46 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers flew back to NZ from his islands a few months ago | 01:46 |
| LjL | even though the island was COVID-free, he had to have a hotel quarantine anyway | 01:46 |
| LjL | but i asked him about the details of it, and it all seemed pretty civilized | 01:46 |
| nixonix | yeah i meant generally the measures in aus and nz. but i also think that their border measures are over the top, when their own citizens cant get back. in aus, idk how it is in nz | 01:47 |
| LjL | not like in Italy where quarantine means "you won't go out, right? please? okay, enjoy", but also not concentration camps | 01:47 |
| LjL | well tinwhiskers is a NZ citizen. he could go back, but he had to undergo the mandatory hotel quarantine, and probably had to pay for it | 01:47 |
| LjL | i think Australia only imposed a complete ban on their citizens coming back for a few weeks from India | 01:48 |
| nixonix | in aus they have it too, and expensive, but also they dont have much flights to get back, and they are usually cancelled | 01:48 |
| nixonix | so some of them have tried to get back for over a year | 01:48 |
| nixonix | *many flights. but mostly unconfirmed rumors, i havent read what are the costs exactly etc | 01:49 |
| nixonix | and in nz, they had no cases for several months, exp those in guarantine that came from abroad - yet they still had to use masks in public transport. just in case | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Exposure to green spaces may strengthen resilience and support mental health in the face of the covid-19 pandemic: Mughal and colleagues provide a useful overview of mental health support during the covid-19 pandemic.1Outdoor recreation in green spaces has emerged during the present pandemic as an essential tool... → https://is.gd/hSwEAI | 01:51 |
| nixonix | so im for tight border controls, then trace down the cases, and remove the restrictions and normal life | 01:52 |
| nixonix | anyways, seems to have worked somewhat what we have had. event restrictions and reduced opening hours for bars on areas where cases are high. schools on those areas were closed for 12 weeks, which prob wasnt necessary but anyway | 01:55 |
| nixonix | and no mandates of anything, for movement, masks whatever | 01:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Cuba says Abdala vaccine 92.28% effective against coronavirus → https://is.gd/bzL0tB | 02:02 |
| LjL | nixonix, many EU countries had strong movement restrictions | 02:05 |
| LjL | in Italy for a few months i couldn't leave my home without an "essential reason" | 02:05 |
| LjL | and when that was no longer the case, movement between different regions (sometimes different towns) was banned anyway | 02:06 |
| LjL | in Finland you haven't had too many cases just in general, whatever the reason for that... so maybe you haven't quite lived the way it was like at the bad times | 02:06 |
| nixonix | they dont seem to be necessary or even that effective, on top of other measures that are effective and have in use (like closing bars if cases get up) | 02:06 |
| nixonix | here most people live in cities just like everywhere else | 02:07 |
| nixonix | and around 1.5M of 5.5M in single metropolitan area | 02:07 |
| nixonix | eg in usa there are states with way more rural living. yet they had more problems. wrong measures choosen | 02:08 |
| nixonix | but anyway, tight borders would be the one that matters most. i just dont understand if you decide to have them, why not just remove restrictions and if there will be some border breaches, just trace those small outbreaks down, and continue normal living | 02:09 |
| nixonix | we had stricter measures for higher case regions during the late winter rise when kent variant arrived. like bars closed at 18, dining places a bit later. and those areas with smaller rise, they closed 22-24 or so | 02:11 |
| nixonix | and some additional public gym closures and stuff (private ones often continued). meaning those higher case regions | 02:12 |
| nixonix | barbers have always been open everywhere! | 02:12 |
| nixonix | and all the stores etc | 02:12 |
| LjL | well here's the thing, aside from marginal things like wearing masks on public transport (which many Chinese or Japanese people and other countries too already did regardless of COVID), Australia and NZ are among the few places that *have* mostly had "normal living": just look at their GDP growth... they are among the few ones that *have* some growth! when there's even a couple of cases in a city, they shut everything down for a short period. after two weeks if | 02:13 |
| LjL | cases are zero again, they open back up. and that has worked much better for business than our eternal "maybe-lockdown-somewhat" | 02:13 |
| nixonix | how come nz's gdp isnt affected when quite a bit used to come from tourism? i have seen the graphs yeah that dont seem like they were affected. so what they had to replace the tourism? | 02:14 |
| LjL | nixonix, okay, so can you tell me *what* it is that Finland did that allowed to keep cases low? because that's all well and good, but in Italy we've had many, *many* more cases, and so have Spain and the UK... if we can keep bars and barbers open, what is it that we should close that we haven't? | 02:14 |
| LjL | or are we just worse at coughing | 02:14 |
| LjL | nixonix, i didn't say they weren't affected. everyone, everything has been affected by this. i'm only saying that their GDP growth was still positive; almost everywhere else was negative | 02:15 |
| nixonix | we had done quite a bit what fauci said in march 2020, social distancing. avoiding crowded indoor spaces, voluntarily | 02:15 |
| nixonix | bars too, most of us. even when they were open | 02:15 |
| LjL | okay so breaking news, Finns are more disciplined than Italians. obvious way to solve COVID: implant a chip into Italians that makes them compliant :P | 02:16 |
| nixonix | maybe we are just scared people | 02:17 |
| nixonix | nicer way to say the same :) | 02:17 |
| LjL | to be fair, we don't get great examples | 02:17 |
| LjL | i just saw on TV news some footage of someone getting a vaccine, and they had their masks half down (nose out) | 02:17 |
| LjL | how the HELL has TV still not been given the message that they 1) should NOT show people with the nose out, as if to normalize that use of masks, 2) should air PSAs on how to correctly wear masks, and often? | 02:18 |
| LjL | i'm pretty sure they have tons of footage of people getting vaccines. they didn't have to choose an idiot with his mask half down to show. | 02:18 |
| nixonix | italy is harder, so many people in small area | 02:19 |
| nixonix | we only have that one 1.5M area, then the rest is smaller cities, where contact tracing is much easier | 02:20 |
| nixonix | so obviously in helsinki area the cases have been among highest most of time | 02:20 |
| LjL | we don't have any *huge* cities, but we do have many relatively big cities | 02:20 |
| nixonix | those smaller cities have always got cases down pretty fast | 02:20 |
| LjL | and much of the territory is mountains so the actual habitable area is even smaller than it seems | 02:20 |
| nixonix | exp couple of them... | 02:20 |
| nixonix | lahti and turku | 02:21 |
| nixonix | lahti still seems to have problems | 02:21 |
| LjL | i think there are also some virus dynamics that we simply don't quite understand | 02:21 |
| nixonix | no, its just that their models dont work | 02:21 |
| LjL | i'm not going to say "it spreads in the winter" "it spreads in the summer" "it spreads when it's humid" "it spreads when it's dry", i really don't know, it's confusing | 02:22 |
| nixonix | summer helps a lot. but its not like R=6 virus will get to under 1 without anything else | 02:22 |
| nixonix | then when the cases go down, they remove the restrictions, travelling returns, people start to act more normally, and most of what is left, is the remaining of the summer (now vaccines and immunity from infections too, exp for us) | 02:24 |
| nixonix | well we have some immunity in those groups that spread it most, perhaps some groups may in certain areas may even have 20% prevalence even. those prob not that willing to get vaxed, but it will balance somewhat | 02:25 |
| nixonix | so we will get to somewhere like 60% total immunity during the fall, or if kids under 12 will be vaxed, maybe 65. but with indian variant something like 85% would be needed | 02:26 |
| nixonix | and if the restrictions like bars will all be normal, the cases go up again. among those not vaccinated. then people start to be more carefull and bars shut earlier and stuff... its a circle! | 02:27 |
| nixonix | new variant comes, we will wait new improved vaccines, and summer to help, argue about restrictions to just be lifted, those old and fat would die soon anyway... | 02:28 |
| LjL | nixonix, yes it's a circle, the virus starts to thrive, stealthily, when we think it's "gone" | 02:29 |
| LjL | that's one reason why i think relatively tough measures even when there's "zero covid" like in NZ and Australia are a good idea | 02:29 |
| LjL | you need to break the circle | 02:29 |
| nixonix | maybe its already gone, and this is a dream | 02:30 |
| LjL | instead we're using half-assed measures that we remove when the summer comes and that will make it keep being a circle | 02:30 |
| nixonix | ok next time | 02:30 |
| LjL | night | 02:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tunisia: +2478 cases (now 385428), +80 deaths (now 14118) since a day ago — Guinea: +85 cases (now 23535) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +9783 cases (now 4.6 million), +6 deaths (now 128111) since 23 hours ago — France: +17 deaths (now 110833) since 23 hours ago | 02:30 |
| chitCat | hmm | 02:37 |
| Krey[m] | %cases world | 02:38 |
| Brainstorm | Krey[m]: Sorry, world not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 02:38 |
| * Krey[m] smash | 02:38 | |
| Krey[m] | %cases us | 02:38 |
| Brainstorm | Krey[m]: In United States, there have been 33.9 million confirmed cases (10.3% of the population) and 608990 deaths (1.8% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 499.8 million tests were performed (6.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20States for time series data. | 02:39 |
| Krey[m] | hmm i wonder when we will hit 200M cases | 02:40 |
| LjL | !cases | 02:40 |
| -CovBot[m]- In World there have been a total of 180,325,688 cases as of 2021-06-22 00:32:00 UTC. Of these 14,002,381 (7.8%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 162,422,290 (90.1%) have definitely recovered and 3,901,017 (2.2%) have died. | 02:40 | |
| LjL | CovBot is smarter and has a working "world" thing | 02:41 |
| LjL | uh hadn't i redirected betelgeuse | 02:51 |
| LjL | sure, and typoed it | 02:52 |
| Krey[m] | but i like brainstorm 💢 | 03:15 |
| LjL | Krey[m], one of these days i'll get around to fixing "world" | 03:23 |
| Krey[m] | by then there would be no "world" | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Bangladesh garments worker wages down 50%-65% in pandemic: Survey → https://is.gd/HO0d2F | 03:24 |
| Krey[m] | isn't that like adding 14 characters to case statement anyway~ | 03:24 |
| LjL | Krey[m], not quite, i think i need to sum all the data together because the source doesn't have it | 03:34 |
| LjL | but yeah it's mostly a matter of laziness | 03:34 |
| LjL | let me have a look | 03:34 |
| LjL | hmm looks like i commented out all the "world" things, so maybe they were causing issues | 03:36 |
| LjL | this code is really atrocious | 03:36 |
| Krey[m] | hmm~ | 03:38 |
| Krey[m] | ah right it's python~ the language for people who hate their life and want to make it more difficult~ | 03:38 |
| * Krey[m] smugs and hides | 03:38 | |
| gector | Thoughts on ivermectin? | 03:54 |
| Juerd | gector: Is your search engine borken? :) | 03:57 |
| gector | Uh no, not last time I checked | 03:57 |
| gector | That virus has yet to be evolutioned or released, as of yet the search engines are still alive... | 03:58 |
| gector | I wanted to know what people thought of ivermectin, or if they had even heard of it :) | 03:58 |
| Juerd | Then you will probably have found that it doesn't work against covid19, can be harmful if tried, and that people inclined towards conspiracies think ivermectin does work and the medicine is being withheld as part of some grand scheme to promote covid spread. | 03:59 |
| gector | I see. I've actually found quite the opposite, personally. What has lead you to believe that? I don't think it's being witheld, let alone maliciously. Heaven knows I've managed to get it easily enough | 04:01 |
| Juerd | I haven't said anything about my beliefs | 04:01 |
| gector | I suppose people may be buying into a belief that someone is trying to do by pushing ivermectin, but I find that theory quite uncompelling. What would be the reason? There's no profit to be made, the company that makes ivermectin itself is pushing a different treatment that costs much more. | 04:11 |
| gector | trying to do harm by pushing ivermectin* | 04:12 |
| gector | Anyway, assuming there are humans around, I'll leave this here until I get back on. https://ivmmeta.com/. Stay safe | 04:13 |
| Krey[m] | <gector "Thoughts on ivermectin?"> last time i asked health care worked he said it's garbage shit.. but he's weird and new there | 04:21 |
| Krey[m] | *worker | 04:21 |
| Krey[m] | assuming the use for covid x.x | 04:22 |
| Krey[m] | @gector What is your hypothesis for it to work agains covid? | 04:24 |
| Krey[m] | since afaik it's designed for infection and the chemical composition doesn't seem to be known to have any positive effect agains viruses | 04:25 |
| Krey[m] | *against | 04:25 |
| Krey[m] | hmm wiki seems to have some useful info though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin#COVID-19 | 04:25 |
| Krey[m] | > Subsequent studies found that ivermectin could inhibit replication of SARS-CoV-2 in monkey kidney cell culture with an IC50 of 2.2–2.8 μM.[74][75] Based on this information, however, doses much higher than the maximum approved or safely | 04:26 |
| Krey[m] | > elf-medication with a highly concentrated formula intended for horses has led to multiple hospitalizations, and overdose can lead to death, possibly due to interaction with other medications.[80] | 04:27 |
| Krey[m] | gector: ^ | 04:27 |
| LjL | Juerd, while I haven't really followed the invermectin thing, so for me it's more just in the "things that have been tried and are unconvincing and I won't bother to research more unless I'm really bored" folder, weren't you being a bit aggressive with gector? if someone asks for thoughts on a potential COVID treatment here, sure, they'll find things about it on a search engine, but that's also what this channel is for... | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Burundi: +75 cases (now 5196) since 2 days ago | 04:34 |
| surazal | interesting who is mentioning it and who isn't | 05:00 |
| surazal | https://nitter.dark.fail/RWMaloneMD/status/1403836354098872322#m | 05:00 |
| dendtriticcell[m | "Importantly, we establish for the first time that ivermectin has potent antiviral activity towards both HIV-1 and dengue virus" --2012 | 05:06 |
| dendtriticcell[m | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3327999/ | 05:06 |
| dendtriticcell[m | "Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance." | 05:07 |
| dendtriticcell[m | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/ | 05:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: G7 Summit Of World Leaders May Have Been Covid-19 Superspreader Event → https://is.gd/HWnh6c | 05:08 |
| LjL | surazal, i don't know who that is, but it seems pretty bogus to me to compare a *treatment* to a *vaccine* | 05:09 |
| dendtriticcell[m | Merck was the original company to market Ivermectin decades ago. Interesting that they would lobby the US government that their own off patent drug is not safe for COVID without evidence even though there is a mountains of evidence to the contrary. Remember, to receive an EUA, there can be no effective alternatives. Shortly after their official statement on Ivermectin, they received funding for remdesivir. | 05:12 |
| Krey[m] | <surazal "https://nitter.dark.fail/RWMalon"> I though we establish that it's not safe as the amount of ivermectin to have any effect on covid in vectro is too high to be considered safe | 05:17 |
| Krey[m] | So i assume that the MD is full of shit and has no idea what is he talking about~ | 05:18 |
| Krey[m] | Edit: any affect on SARS-CoV-2 in vectro | 05:18 |
| LjL | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/06/07/ivermectin-as-a-covid-19-therapy | 05:20 |
| Krey[m] | like yes it works, but the dose required for it to have an effect is deemed unsafe no? | 05:21 |
| Krey[m] | based on my reading of sources from wiki | 05:22 |
| Krey[m] | > Simulations were performed using the Simcyp Simulator Version 19 Release 1. Ten virtual trials of 10 subjects aged 18–75 years (50% female) were simulated using the Sim-NEurCaucasion population. In the simulation, high dose ivermectin (600 μg/kg) was administered orally, daily for 3 days and the virtual study carried on to 9 days. Dosing was in the Fed state and fraction unbound was 0.07 (plasma) and 0.13 (lung). Simulations for mean | 05:22 |
| Krey[m] | systemic plasma and lung tissue concentrations are shown in Fig. 1. | 05:22 |
| Krey[m] | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7172803/ | 05:22 |
| dendtriticcell[m | https://ivmmeta.com | 05:22 |
| Krey[m] | > 600 μg/kg | 05:22 |
| Krey[m] | <dendtriticcell[m "https://ivmmeta.com"> that doesn't mentiones dosage that i can see where the concern with high dose seems to be neurotoxic? | 05:25 |
| Krey[m] | which is why the merck says that it's not safe in such dosage? | 05:26 |
| Krey[m] | or is that supposed to be combined with something to lessen the neurotoxicity of ivermectin ? | 05:27 |
| Krey[m] | oh it mentiones dose | 05:28 |
| * Krey[m] 's darkreader made the dose same color as the background x.x | 05:29 | |
| LjL | those "meta" sites are quite full of shit and spammy | 05:29 |
| dendtriticcell[m | Pre-Covid Politics ivermectin was generally well tolerated, with no indication of associated CNS toxicity for doses up to 10 times the highest FDA-approved dose. | 05:30 |
| dendtriticcell[m | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12362927/ | 05:30 |
| Krey[m] | hmm the data is interesting though, but i am still concerned about neurotoxicity | 05:30 |
| LjL | here's one site out of that "series" of "real-time metareview" sites https://c19hcq.com/ | 05:32 |
| Krey[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ivermectin#MEDRS_Dhama_et_al_(2020)_on_Ivermectin_and_Covid seems interesting also | 05:32 |
| Krey[m] | > ivermectin is its potential to cause cytotoxicity. However, altering the vehicles used in the formulations, the pharmacokinetic properties can be modified, thereby having significant control over the systemic concentration of ivermectin (338). | 05:32 |
| LjL | it's only missing some marquee | 05:32 |
| LjL | goodnight | 05:34 |
| Krey[m] | LjL: gn senpai~ | 05:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Thailand: +4059 cases (now 225365), +35 deaths (now 1693) since a day ago — Botswana: +129 deaths (now 1069) since 3 hours ago — United Kingdom: +7851 cases (now 4.6 million), +4 deaths (now 128112) since 22 hours ago — Central African Rep.: +28 cases (now 7129) since 14 days ago | 05:37 |
| Krey[m] | hmm can't decide on ivermectin ping me if you have anything worth the time | 05:46 |
| Krey[m] | thanku~ | 05:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Fully vaccinated Canadians exempt from quarantine in July → https://is.gd/NMR9Nf | 05:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India: Over 8 million vaccine shots delivered on Day 1 of new drive → https://is.gd/OUskRO | 05:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Aid and development: Supermarkets splashed pandemic profits on shareholders, not workers: Report → https://is.gd/LZYEoK | 06:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid-19 and herd immunity: Everything you need to know → https://is.gd/SlaqwB | 07:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Parana, Brazil: +13666 cases (now 1.2 million), +42 deaths (now 30038) since a day ago — Moscow Oblast, Russia: +1811 cases (now 292353), +13 deaths (now 6355) since a day ago — California, United States: +1452 cases (now 3.8 million) since a day ago — Saint Petersburg, Russia: +1046 cases (now 458401), +80 deaths (now 15421) since a day ago | 07:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Cuba says Abdala vaccine 92.28% effective against Coronavirus → https://is.gd/qQl2oL | 07:43 |
| finely[m] | <Krey[m] "hmm can't decide on ivermectin p"> The research is mixed. We dont know if it is helpful yet. | 08:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +42640 cases (now 30.0 million), +1631 deaths (now 389302) since 22 hours ago | 08:31 |
| surazal | https://nitter.dark.fail/RWMaloneMD has claim to being the inventor of mRNA vaccines and one of the inventors of DNA vaccines. | 08:31 |
| surazal | https://www.rwmalonemd.com/about-us | 08:31 |
| surazal | so he probably knows something about the subject. | 08:32 |
| lavadonut | i claim to be the inventor of mRNA vaccines and one of the inventors of DNA vaccines | 08:35 |
| lavadonut | what now? | 08:35 |
| genera | and the LAVA vaccine | 08:36 |
| surazal | On Bret Weinstein's podcast they mention that there is evidence for ivermectin being beneficial at safe dosages. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-to-save-the-world-in-three-easy-steps/id1471581521?i=1000525032595 | 08:36 |
| lavadonut | :)) | 08:36 |
| surazal | cool, go on the record with your real identity and public image on the line :)) | 08:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Many parts of the US needed persuading to get vaccinated, not South Texas → https://is.gd/jILpaA | 08:44 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Unvaccinated Americans are at risk of an infectious and possibly more dangerous Covid-19 variant. These are the most vulnerable states → https://is.gd/lEDumN | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Supermarkets splashed pandemic profits on shareholders, not workers: Report → https://is.gd/T3OaJe | 10:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Dual-antibody therapy effective against Covid-19 variants in animal study → https://is.gd/nJKBma | 11:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Fiji: +180 cases (now 2270), +2 deaths (now 9) since 18 hours ago | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Lockdown in Nepal further strains supply of lifesaving maternal health drug: Nepal entered a four month nationwide lockdown in March 2020, during which the number of women accessing maternal and sexual and reproductive health services saw a worrying drop. Births in hospital... → https://is.gd/sL3HDs | 12:00 |
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| Krey[m] | <finely[m] "The research is mixed. We dont k"> I know x.x | 14:56 |
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| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: Andy Becker: Aivita Biomedical Inc: AV-COVID-19 → https://is.gd/qrWy9m | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Biogen isn’t the only company to make big bucks from its Alzheimer’s drug; EU extends Covid-19 vax export block → https://is.gd/xwMRBT | 15:27 |
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| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Merkel chides Portugal for allowing in Brits amid Delta variant: German chancellor takes an aim at Lisbon which has allowed the entry of British tourists and now faces a spike of coronavirus infections. → https://is.gd/RA8Bzy | 15:58 |
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| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: The lonely quest to create a commission to investigate Covid-19: Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) escalated his campaign for a 9/11 Commission-style panel to investigate the government response to Covid-19 with a rally at a New Jersey hospital Monday. → https://is.gd/pnyJwT | 16:19 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +130 cases (now 702124) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +338 cases (now 3.7 million), +176 deaths (now 90820) since 23 hours ago | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Ayurvedic practitioner suggests top three tips for quick Covid recovery → https://is.gd/5Eh07X | 16:41 |
| Krey[m] | > Philippines president Duterte: 'Get vaccinated or I will have you jailed' -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DCuND1RR0 | 16:46 |
| Krey[m] | wow... | 16:47 |
| Krey[m] | ... can i do that in czechia | 16:47 |
| Krey[m] | > and if you refuse to get vaccinated i will inject them witn ivermectin which is intended for pigs | 16:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: How many cases in your area?: Explore the data on coronavirus in the UK and find out how many cases there are in your area. → https://is.gd/8rLBbe | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Cohort Follow-up of Survivors of Hospitalization for COVID-19 During the 2nd Wave of the Epidemic in France → https://is.gd/2Dst7l | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Evaluation of Post-vaccination Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Serological Response in Health Care Workers With a History of COVID-19. → https://is.gd/GV2SAO | 17:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Personalized Dietary Advice 3 Months After Discharge From Hospitalization in Geriatrics: Effect on Nutritional Status According to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Status (Positive or Negative) During Hospitalization → https://is.gd/RuFDTr | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): COVID-19 Treatment Using Methylene Blue and Photodynamic Therapy → https://is.gd/SfQ1Vt | 17:33 |
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| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Benefit of Expanded Surveillance of Nursing Homes During the COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/omWPFG | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +8742 cases (now 4.7 million) since 15 hours ago | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Liver injury, SARS-COV-2 infection and COVID-19: What physicians should really know? → https://is.gd/CWb8IW | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Comparison of COVID-19 and H1N1 Influenza Pneumonia → https://is.gd/IQP3IY | 18:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: Key science officials detail their plans for a new research agency — and Congress is getting closer to funding it: The science officials hope the new agency will develop smart watches that continuously monitor blood pressure, invent vaccines that could be approved within 100 days, and find new techniques for… → https://is.gd/EHrZi7 | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: Aim for double-jabbed arrivals to avoid quarantine - Hancock → https://is.gd/QK9LGD | 19:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from In The Pipeline: Hard Thinking About Protein Degradation and Bifunctional Molecules: This paper (open access) is not going to be to everyone’s taste, but the people who are working in its area – and there’s an ever-increasing number of them – will want to read it closely. It’s a close look at the red-hot fields of targeted protein [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/h7EUIe | 19:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +4040 cases (now 3.8 million), +30 deaths (now 80719) since 20 hours ago — Italy: +1290 cases (now 4.3 million), +31 deaths (now 127322) since 23 hours ago | 19:29 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Delta variant first found in India is the greatest threat to U.S. effort to eradicate COVID-19 in its borders: Dr. Anthony Fauci → https://is.gd/BW4702 | 20:29 |
| LjL | this is pretty absurd, Italy is adding a 5-day quarantine for people coming from the UK due to Delta variant fears... but we're having the finals and half finals (and some more) of the UEFA tournament in the UK, with spectators at 75% capacity :| | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for Jun 22, 2021: Disparities in kids with COVID COVID vaccine and Guillain-Barre COVID-19 variants in US → https://is.gd/HGDElv | 21:30 |
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| Arsanerit | LjL: Are people from Italy allowed to travel to the United Kingdom for non-essential purposes? | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: 'Stolen moments': Families' anguish at separation from dying COVID patients: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jun 22, 2021 Family members reported problems with bonding with the ICU team, understanding their loved ones' condition, and managing their feelings in isolation. → https://is.gd/qNocNi | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Young Adults Have Low Vaccination Rate, CDC Says: While demand for COVID-19 vaccinations is slumping, the national vaccination program is still racking up statistical victories. The country is now averaging fewer than 300 COVID-related deaths a day → https://is.gd/bGau0c | 22:01 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, from italy's point of view at least i think so right now, all regions except ones are "white", which means free travel among other things. might require the EU Green Pass in Schengen, no real idea with the UK | 22:12 |
| LjL | they used to require a negative test iirc | 22:13 |
| DrWestPhDMD[m] | They are temporary passes. | 22:37 |
| DrWestPhDMD[m] | <Krey[m] "> and if you refuse to get vacci"> There is no evidence anyone person is going to inject you with ivermectin when one refuses the Sars-Cov-2 vaccination. | 22:40 |
| Krey[m] | Dr. West, PhD, MD.: Read the context i was quotting what president of philipines said publicly | 22:40 |
| Krey[m] | he said to jail people who refuse the vaccine and threatened with ivermectim that is according to him "used for pigs" | 22:41 |
| Krey[m] | See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DCuND1RR0 | 22:43 |
| DrWestPhDMD[m] | If you do not reside within the Philippines, then I will not worry so much. | 22:44 |
| Krey[m] | nah i am in Czechia just shared it here as it's relevant | 22:44 |
| Krey[m] | ehww.. meant morava | 22:45 |
| Krey[m] | czechia is yucky~ | 22:45 |
| DrWestPhDMD[m] | ? | 22:45 |
| Krey[m] | ? O.o | 22:45 |
| Arsanerit | I'm impressed by Canadian vaccination figures. | 22:50 |
| Arsanerit | Why are so many more people vaccinated in Canada than in the USA? | 22:51 |
| apotheon | What are the numbers? | 22:54 |
| Arsanerit | Canada 67% vaccinated at least once, US 53% vaccinated at least once | 22:55 |
| Arsanerit | US seem to have mostly stopped vaccinating https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?country=BRA~CHN~KOR~FRA~DEU~IND~ITA~GBR~USA~OWID_WRL~NLD~CAN | 22:55 |
| Krey[m] | btw. set tracking for wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ivermectin#Ivermectic_is_%22used_for_pigs%22,_statement_by_Rodrigo_Duterte,_the_2021_philipines_president | 22:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Myanmar: +630 cases (now 149247), +2 deaths (now 3267) since a day ago | 23:01 |
| apotheon | There may just be a stronger cultural resistance to getting vaccinated in the US, with rates of increasing vaccination dropping off as saturation approaches the numbers of the vaccine-friendly. | 23:21 |
| apotheon | I'm just speculating, though. | 23:21 |
| DrWestPhDMD[m] | Mostly in the south | 23:23 |
| DrWestPhDMD[m] | Unfortunately there is no national mandate as only state laws dictate the processes legally as I am afraid looking at the universities not many are willing to mandate it due to the issue of court summons and cases alhough there are several such as Rutgers Uni | 23:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Leader behind bogus Covid bleach ‘miracle cure’, who is in Colombia awaiting extradition to the US to face criminal charges, claims Trump consumed his product → https://is.gd/TGiML8 | 23:56 |
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