| TurboTech | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7525209/ | 00:01 |
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| TurboTech | .title https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7525209/ | 00:01 |
| Brainstorm | TurboTech: From www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Mediterranean Diet and COVID-19: Hypothesizing Potential Benefits in People With Diabetes | 00:01 |
| lunatunes | Has anyone read anything about foggers for killing covid in the air? | 00:08 |
| TurboTech | Would these be used indoors? I do not see the point outdoors. | 00:08 |
| lunatunes | yes | 00:10 |
| TurboTech | .title https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/AEM.02019-20 | 00:11 |
| Brainstorm | TurboTech: From journals.asm.org: Airborne Disinfection by Dry Fogging Efficiently Inactivates Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), Mycobacteria, and Bacterial Spores and Shows Limitations of Commercial Spore [...] | 00:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Policy: US settles with Trump admin whistleblower who exposed botched COVID response → https://is.gd/rJdeVN | 00:11 |
| lunatunes | Just curious since the disinfectant I buy sells a fogger gun | 00:11 |
| johngalt | thank goodness for channels like this where we can all learn the truth without being told by the media | 00:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Comment] Salmonella Typhi Vi polysaccharide conjugate vaccine protects infants and children against typhoid fever: The past decade has seen remarkable progress in our understanding of the scale of the global typhoid fever problem,1 the alarming emergence in south Asia of extensively drug-resistant Salmonella enterica [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/yRuD9M | 00:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Fr. Polynesia: +1443 cases (now 23902), +9 deaths (now 166) since 2 days ago — Bulgaria: +774 cases (now 428823), +23 deaths (now 18278) since 23 hours ago | 00:36 |
| nixonix | you guys want some happy news, or worrying news? | 00:38 |
| Tetractys | why not both | 00:38 |
| TurboTech | I do not worry | 00:39 |
| nixonix | id have to look for some happy news, but i have a worrying one right now | 00:39 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1 | 00:39 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.medrxiv.org: Comparison of two highly-effective mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 during periods of Alpha and Delta variant prevalence | medRxiv | 00:40 |
| nixonix | if you got pfizer, like me, that is | 00:40 |
| LjL | oh f... bless you | 00:40 |
| nixonix | but you got moderna? | 00:41 |
| nixonix | or was it defacto | 00:41 |
| LjL | i got pfizer, i think he got pfizer too | 00:41 |
| nixonix | small sample, maybe different type of ppl, habits or previous infection, area etc. we can wish... | 00:43 |
| LjL | "Our observational study highlights that while both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines strongly protect against infection and severe disease" | 00:43 |
| LjL | how the hell can they talk about "strong protection" when it's 42% against infection and 75% against hospitalization | 00:43 |
| nixonix | keep reading... | 00:43 |
| LjL | uh, they're all employed by... everyone | 00:44 |
| LjL | what should i take from that ;( | 00:44 |
| nixonix | well, maybe 3rd dose of pfizer makes it as good as moderna with 2 shots | 00:45 |
| LjL | YAY! | 00:45 |
| LjL | nixonix, why do you say small sample, n=20k is a small sample now? | 00:46 |
| RabbitPrincess | Covid19 is a hoax!!!! | 00:46 |
| RabbitPrincess | see ya! | 00:46 |
| LjL | it's more or less the original sample size of the approval trials | 00:46 |
| LjL | okay | 00:46 |
| RabbitPrincess | when you're sterilized or dead from the vaccine | 00:46 |
| RabbitPrincess | then I'm so sorry for you | 00:46 |
| RabbitPrincess | but it's a hoax | 00:46 |
| RabbitPrincess | and you're going to die | 00:46 |
| LjL | mhm | 00:46 |
| RabbitPrincess | byeeeee | 00:46 |
| lunatunes | O_o | 00:48 |
| nixonix | i just looked at CIs. 20k infected, i guess not | 00:48 |
| LjL | the CIs are interesting | 00:49 |
| LjL | the ones for hospitalization makes it kinda meaningless | 00:49 |
| LjL | but "effectiveness against infection was lower for both vaccines (mRNA-1273: 76%, 95% CI: 58-87%; BNT162b2: 42%, 95% CI: 13-62%)" | 00:49 |
| LjL | 13% is a nice lower CI for what's the most popular vaccine in Europe and America ;( | 00:49 |
| nixonix | For all patients from the matched cohorts who experienced breakthrough infections (n = 106 for mRNA-1273; n = 220 for BNT162b2) | 00:50 |
| LjL | also 42% is too close to Israel's 40% for me to discount it | 00:50 |
| nixonix | sure its more than in those phase 3 | 00:50 |
| LjL | well, and since we kinda wanted to believe the results from phase 3, i don't see why we wouldn't take these just as seriously | 00:50 |
| nixonix | they tried to make some matched triplets (unvacc, vac1, vac2) | 00:51 |
| LjL | yes, it means it's as good as a study on the general population can get, afaik | 00:51 |
| nixonix | have to wait for expert comments going through it. but we somewhat know the waning rate for pfizer, maybe its less for moderna, so it would be good news (just not for us) | 00:52 |
| imaginary | can one of you explain the format in which the data is presented? (mRNA-1273: 76%, 95% CI: 58-87%; BNT162b2: 42%, 95% CI: 13-62%), | 00:53 |
| imaginary | is that first dose only, 2 doses, and then the confidence interval? | 00:54 |
| LjL | imaginary, it means: for Modeerna, efficacy is eestimated at 76%, with a 95%-confidence interval of between 58% and 87%, and for Pfizer... | 00:54 |
| imaginary | oh | 00:54 |
| imaginary | right, thanks | 00:54 |
| LjL | you're quite welcome ;( | 00:54 |
| nixonix | those in that study were for infection, not symptoms | 00:55 |
| LjL | might not make a difference | 00:56 |
| nixonix | or were they, they did regular pcr testing... i doubt | 00:56 |
| LjL | Israel estimated 39% infection, 40.something% symptoms | 00:56 |
| nixonix | This is a retrospective study of individuals who underwent SARS-CoV-2 polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing at the Mayo Clinic and hospitals affiliated with the Mayo Clinic Health System (Arizona, Florida, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin) | 00:57 |
| LjL | yeah so they got whoever got a PCR test at Mayo | 00:57 |
| LjL | so maybe we should wonder whether "people who tend to get PCR-tested" are representative of the general population | 00:58 |
| LjL | i never got PCR tested! | 00:58 |
| lunatunes | So is it still a good thing to get vaccinated if just to stay out the hospital? | 00:58 |
| LjL | with those numbers? who the hell knows, probably | 00:59 |
| nixonix | could there be some kind of selection bias, areas where different vaccines were used or something, or who went to those clinics, symptom severity | 00:59 |
| nixonix | different cold requirements meant moderna was used here more on distant rural areas | 01:00 |
| nixonix | but they made those triplets | 01:01 |
| LjL | Pfizer got reduced cold requirements a while ago | 01:01 |
| LjL | and yeah i sort of trust Mayo Clinic with matching samples acceptably | 01:01 |
| LjL | but then i also trust them when they say "we have no clue" | 01:01 |
| LjL | and in "vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization has remained high (mRNA-1273: 81%, 95% CI: 33-96.3%; BNT162b2: 75%, 95% CI: 24-93.9%)", despite what the text says, the CIs mean "we have no clue" | 01:02 |
| imaginary | yeah those are crazy huge | 01:03 |
| imaginary | hmmm | 01:03 |
| LjL | i'm always confused on whether hospitalization is considered irrespective of infection, or with infection as a prior(?) (what's the statistical term?) | 01:03 |
| imaginary | how are people who first got the vaccines doing btw | 01:03 |
| LjL | imaginary, are you thinking of whether they're losing efficacy over time? | 01:04 |
| imaginary | also, are stats for death not reported? just serious illness/hospitalization? | 01:04 |
| LjL | i'm afraid that gets confused by the variants | 01:04 |
| imaginary | LjL: yea, i guess so | 01:04 |
| LjL | well, sometimes they are, but with hospitalization having such wide CIs already, it would probably make no sense to report on deaths | 01:04 |
| imaginary | sigh | 01:05 |
| LjL | imaginary, i thought about that, but even though they have the vaccination dates of everyone (since they matched the samples for them), how do you distinguish between someone who got the vaccine in January and it lost efficacy, and someone who got the vaccine in January and Delta was just stronger than the vaccine? although i guess you can look at who got the vaccine in *July* and see whether they still got Delta or not. but then it starts being very very small | 01:05 |
| LjL | numbers with very very wide CIs | 01:05 |
| nixonix | you guys are free to find some happy news. i usually find worrying ones. then there was that silver bullet - i could past the link if you really want it | 01:06 |
| LjL | ? | 01:06 |
| imaginary | LjL: yeah, you're right, variants make it crazy difficult to evaluate | 01:06 |
| LjL | nixonix, de-facto said you used to end the day with some good news before leaving | 01:06 |
| nixonix | that EXO-CD24 (scam probably, reading about the inventors history) | 01:06 |
| LjL | (sorry de-facto) | 01:06 |
| LjL | %s EXO-CD24 | 01:07 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 23650.0 hits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD24 (CD24) | 01:07 |
| LjL | oh, a treatment? | 01:07 |
| nixonix | it was debunked in that sceptic article i pasted earlier | 01:07 |
| LjL | i ctrl+f'd, didn't see it at first | 01:07 |
| LjL | sometimes i'm not really paying a lot of attention and you post a LOT of stuff in a row :P | 01:08 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1424778913553817605 | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Eran Segal (@segal_eran): "Israel: As expected, **rate** of growth of critically ill is exponential (straight line in log-scale) and similar between vaxed and unvaxed 60+ y/o Height difference of [...] | 01:11 |
| LjL | where do people get all these Israel graphs when Israel doesn't publish papers | 01:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: Fatal Crash Renews Concerns About Safety of Alaska Aviation: by Zoë Sobel , KUCB , and Agnel Philip , ProPublica ] This article was produced for ProPublica’s Local Reporting Network in partnership with KUCB and CoastAlaska. Sign up for Dispatches to get stories like this one as soon as they are published. A fatal crash involving [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/JAaulj | 01:14 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, have better AI | 01:17 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1424725296754855936 | 01:24 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Arieh Kovler (@ariehkovler): "As Israel's Delta variant wave spreads beyond middle class towns with very high vaccine coverage, the protective effect of the vaccine becomes more obvious in the data. [...] | 01:24 |
| nixonix | that one should be positive | 01:24 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.05.21260050v2.full - this isnt. i think i pasted this already, but since they go unread, maybe worth looking at... | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.medrxiv.org: Progressive Increase in Virulence of Novel SARS-CoV-2 Variants in Ontario, Canada | medRxiv | 01:26 |
| LjL | nixonix, i know it's not a good time when "positive" is "OK, maybe not good for the world either because it means Delta's pretty bad news all round." | 01:28 |
| nixonix | skip over those parts | 01:29 |
| LjL | but even just the initial graph | 01:29 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/DFisman/status/1424666154061213699 | 01:29 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix, the URL could not be loaded | 01:29 |
| LjL | it looks like those "4x" the other one said | 01:29 |
| nixonix | no, it was better than some earlier data they got | 01:29 |
| LjL | i dunno | 01:30 |
| LjL | less than 30 over less than 120 is about 1/4 | 01:30 |
| * LjL does maths | 01:30 | |
| LjL | on the one hand, "4x more protected" is a lot better than "not protected" | 01:30 |
| LjL | on the other hand, am i meant to rejoice over being 4x more protected from something that's probably 4x more dangerous than the initial thing, which was already dangerous enough | 01:31 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/itosettiMD_MBA/status/1424614020317958148 | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Irene Tosetti (@itosettiMD_MBA): "Not really Endemic covid means shortened life expectancy unless we have solid treatments And of course economic damage And so far mutations have only made it worse, [...] | 01:32 |
| nixonix | sorry... | 01:32 |
| LjL | nixonix, it is good news if it stays in the same range as the flu | 01:34 |
| LjL | it means a lot of people die but it's just about the best news we can realistically get | 01:34 |
| LjL | is it just me or does Brainstorm not really post any tweets lately? maybe the Nitter instance it uses died | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for San Marino: +47 cases (now 5194) since 7 days ago — Brunei: +42 cases (now 406) since 16 hours ago — Canada: +476 cases (now 1.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 01:39 |
| LjL | San Marino is all vaccinated | 01:39 |
| LjL | with Sputnik | 01:39 |
| LjL | so if they're having a spike, well, that's gonna be interesting to see | 01:39 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/heather_haq/status/1421287982414409730 | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Heather #Vaccinated Haq, MD, MHS, FAAP (@heather_haq): "We are officially back to getting crushed by #COVID, and for #pediatricians this wave feels *worse* in many ways. And as a pediatric hospitalist [...] | 01:39 |
| LjL | oh yeah, the nitter instance i was using on Brainstorm did die | 01:42 |
| LjL | so many tweets lost forever! | 01:42 |
| LjL | now i have to pick another random one that will probably also fail intermittently | 01:43 |
| LjL | nitters = ["https://nitter.42l.fr/", "https://nitter.eu/", "https://nitter.hu/", "https://twitter.censors.us/", "https://nitter.mailstation.de/", "https://bird.nogafam.es/"] | 01:43 |
| LjL | which one do you like best | 01:43 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/julietast2/status/1423340051308498945 | 01:55 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Juli798686 (@julietast2): "Updated data on breakthroughs in Oklahoma. If you got JnJ, please consider a booster is my take. 123/100k for Moderna 210/100k for JnJ 6% of all cases are breakthroughs" | [...] | 01:55 |
| LjL | imaginary ↑ | 01:57 |
| nixonix | pfizer was clearly stronger than jnj | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mauritius: +528 cases (now 5120) since 4 days ago — Vietnam: +4185 cases (now 219745), +360 deaths (now 3757) since 20 hours ago | 02:03 |
| LjL | yeah that's meh news for me and bad news for imaginary | 02:05 |
| LjL | Moderna many more deaths comparatively though | 02:07 |
| LjL | numbers so small, it might not mean much | 02:07 |
| LjL | also they could be nice and calculate percentages for me | 02:07 |
| nixonix | feigl-ding had several tweets about kf94 masks today, links to comparison or something. for those interested | 02:07 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1424035540022829062 | 02:07 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Dr. Ali Nouri (@AliNouriPhD): "📌1/Study on SARS-COV-2 patients shows that 85% of total *viral load they emitted was on respiratory aerosols 5µm or smaller. Small aerosols defy gravity, float on air [...] | 02:07 |
| nixonix | theres also a concept of infectious unit. not sure if it affects so, that single virions are more unlikely to cause an infection than eg mucosal cells containing virions, but those interested might want to look it up | 02:09 |
| LjL | hospitalizations are very similar between Pfizer and Moderna there | 02:09 |
| nixonix | ok, some positive to end the day, ty | 02:09 |
| LjL | whew, i was about to commit suicide i think | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kazakhstan: +5791 cases (now 671688), +3145 deaths (now 9909) since 22 hours ago — France: +7175 cases (now 6.3 million) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +19214 cases (now 6.1 million), +32 deaths (now 130494) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +1648 cases (now 1.9 million), +2 deaths (now 18017) since 22 hours ago | 02:41 |
| LjL | O.o @ Kazakhstan | 02:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saint Lucia: +76 cases (now 5913), +2 deaths (now 92) since 23 hours ago | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: People in France will need to show a health pass to enjoy usually routine activities such as sipping coffee in a café or travelling on an intercity train starting Monday, part of a plan championed by President Emmanuel Macron to reduce Covid-19 infections and encourage vaccination. → https://is.gd/kYLQtJ | 03:16 |
| LjL | yes, same in Italy and other countries, big news | 03:18 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Viral Load of SARS-CoV-2 in Respiratory Aerosols Emitted by COVID-19 Patients while Breathing, Talking, and Singing ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/6HNWESBF ) | 03:24 | |
| himesama | outbreak.info reports cumulative prevalence since detection. what i would prefer is current prevalence in active cases or recent cases or moving average or something like that. why does it do since detection? | 03:24 |
| himesama | for example, usa is reported as worst country. alpha is reported as worst variant in usa at 31pc. delta 7pc. but perhaps the numbers are different now than cumulative since beginning of pandemic would indicate. | 03:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID Zotero group: Viral Load of SARS-CoV-2 in Respiratory Aerosols Emitted by COVID-19 Patients while Breathing, Talking, and Singing: Type Journal Article Author Kristen K Coleman Author Douglas Jie Wen Tay Author Kai Sen Tan Author Sean Wei Xiang Ong Author Than The Son Author Ming Hui Koh Author Yi Qing Chin Author Haziq Nasir Author Tze [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/B6TeSD | 03:27 |
| LjL | himesama, they are *definitely* different than cumulative | 03:28 |
| LjL | Delta is probably prevalent now... and while i'm not sure, it's definitely prevalent in Europe, but if you look at cumulative numbers, then it isn't | 03:28 |
| LjL | variants like this spread really fast so the cumulative numbers since 2020 mean little | 03:29 |
| LjL | in Italy, Delta is now virtually 100% | 03:29 |
| himesama | so why do they not show contemporary numbers or recent nubmers | 03:32 |
| de-facto | did you try to scroll down to see "Average daily B.1.617.2 prevalence"? | 03:32 |
| de-facto | https://outbreak.info/situation-reports?pango=B.1.617.2&loc=USA&loc=USA_US-CA&selected=USA#longitudinal | 03:34 |
| himesama | de-facto: that is not showing for me in my firefox | 03:34 |
| himesama | hmm are goggles needed if you are not being coughed on? --- "Kevin Kavanagh, MD, a member of ICT^®’s Editorial Advisory Board, argues that the emergence of the lambda variant underscores the need to consider vaccines just 1 layer of protection against COVID-19 infection, and that they should be combined with masks and goggles." | 03:34 |
| de-facto | for me it works fine in firefox | 03:35 |
| LjL | outbreaks.info easily shows a graph that makes current prevalence quite clear (assuming the sample were unbiased, which it isn't, but can't do much about that) | 03:37 |
| TurboTech | For clarification it works fine here in Chrome Version 92.0.4515.131 (Official Build) (64-bit) and Firefox 90.02 | 03:37 |
| TurboTech | I am running Linux Ubuntu 20.04 | 03:38 |
| himesama | another issue is that for the us it is showing numbers like 24 new cases per day whereas i thought it should be more like 114k | 03:41 |
| himesama | (another page same site) | 03:41 |
| TurboTech | I know it is the first day after a weekend and numbers are misleading but look for California to pass Texas with new cases. | 03:43 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Comparison of two highly-effective mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 during periods of Alpha and Delta variant prevalence ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/E73ST6AB ) | 03:44 | |
| LjL | himesama, i don't know which page that is, but if you're still looking at variants, the amount of cases *sequenced* is much lower than... the amount of cases | 03:46 |
| LjL | de-facto, have you seen the study i just added to zotero (from nixonix, who was full of good news today)? | 03:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID Zotero group: Comparison of two highly-effective mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 during periods of Alpha and Delta variant prevalence: Type Journal Article Author Arjun Puranik Author Patrick J. Lenehan Author Eli Silvert Author Michiel JM Niesen Author Juan Corchado-Garcia Author John C. O'Horo Author Abinash Virk Author Melanie D. Swift [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8dYkWx | 03:48 |
| LjL | i think i will remove this from Brainstorm and just leave it in the Matrix bot | 03:50 |
| LjL | it really doesn't need the whole author list etc | 03:51 |
| LjL | and if i'm adding many articles it will show this instead of showing news from other places | 03:51 |
| LjL | which is usually just papers that someone else just posted anyway, so not much good | 03:51 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Comparative analysis of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and Ad26.COV2.S SARS-CoV-2 vector vaccines ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/3R44HIMD ) | 03:54 | |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Repurposed Antiviral Drugs for Covid-19 — Interim WHO Solidarity Trial Results ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/5C9B8UBR ) | 04:44 | |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China punishes dozens of officials as Covid-19 Delta outbreaks spread → https://is.gd/bRs9qF | 04:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Employers will be able to ask their staff if they have been vaccinated against COVID-19 so they can guard against infections in the workplace, under federal guidance finalised on Tuesday morning. → https://is.gd/FzHLI4 | 05:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Antimask dumbfuck has a meltdown at the airport and demands that people rIsE uP! → https://is.gd/NwgkDn | 05:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +4653 cases (now 1.1 million), +6 deaths (now 25274) since 2 days ago | 06:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Nine COVID patients died at Russian hospital after oxygen pipe burst, says health ministry → https://is.gd/gxEAIL | 07:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Singapore Hits 70% Full Vaccination as Rules Start to Ease → https://is.gd/Cy2naD | 07:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Louisiana, United States: +16543 cases (now 590446), +50 deaths (now 11260) since 3 days ago — North Carolina, United States: +15801 cases (now 1.1 million), +23 deaths (now 13759) since 3 days ago — Georgia, United States: +13041 cases (now 1.2 million), +29 deaths (now 21831) since 3 days ago [... want %more?] | 07:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: ‘We are not the virus’: Two-tier Delta lockdowns divide Sydney → https://is.gd/GoHgne | 08:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Long delays as Canada opens border to fully vaccinated American tourists after 16 months → https://is.gd/v0zmY7 | 08:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +28204 cases (now 32.0 million), +399 deaths (now 428569) since 23 hours ago — Sint Maarten: +51 cases (now 3001), +3 deaths (now 37) since 2 days ago | 08:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Long-lasting immune abnormalities detected in recovered COVID-19 patients → https://is.gd/L4jFFc | 08:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | August 10, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/QRPSvG | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Australia’s COVID-19 outbreak expands, new cases in Melbourne → https://is.gd/WDlnBe | 09:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: Why are transparency & being embedded in a community critical for #SARSCoV2 tools? Because there's a big need to respond to changing situations quickly. Open, easy communication & flexibility is critical, or data streams could become unknowingly biased or incomplete. → https://is.gd/pZuiI6 | 09:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +5697 cases (now 455846), +54 deaths (now 6182) since a day ago — Estonia: +289 cases (now 135512) since a day ago | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: A snort or a jab? Scientist debate potential benefits of intranasal Covid-19 vaccines: If we want vaccines that protect our upper respiratory tracts, we’re probably going to need products that are administered in the nose — intranasal vaccines. → https://is.gd/H46Jbw | 10:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Don’t let children under 12 slip through the cracks in the fight against Covid: The return to pre-pandemic behaviors has come too early and disregarded the many families seeking to protect their children from Covid-19. → https://is.gd/XSE4U3 | 10:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dr. Fauci said the unvaccinated should think of their 'community' because allowing COVID-19 to spread and mutate could create variant 'more problematic than the Delta' → https://is.gd/PXE9pN | 11:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Commentary: My pandemic grief and the Japanese art of kintsugi: After the loss of my husband to covid-19, I kept working and tried not to think about it, confident that grief was part of life and time would heal.1 After all, I signed on for the marriage knowing... → https://is.gd/NUu5ot | 11:32 |
| specing | Lol, authorities asking people to care about others | 11:35 |
| specing | in no other place than in hyper-individualistic capitalism | 11:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Reducing risk of childhood obesity in the wake of covid-19: The swift and necessary public health response to the covid-19 pandemic has had detrimental consequences for the prevention and management of childhood obesity, a concern critically in need of public... → https://is.gd/uXS6uh | 11:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: What kids lost when COVID-19 upended school: Researchers are starting to tally how a year and a half of pandemic has left many children struggling academically and emotionally. → https://is.gd/L8Wz7t | 12:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +2337 cases (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid-19 during pregnancy linked with higher risk of preterm birth: Lancet study → https://is.gd/4PQUBE | 13:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +312 cases (now 1.1 million), +4 deaths (now 34323) since 23 hours ago | 13:33 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2021-DON331 | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.who.int: Marburg virus disease - Guinea | 13:36 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.afro.who.int/news/west-africas-first-ever-case-marburg-virus-disease-confirmed-guinea | 13:36 |
| de-facto | "West Africa’s first-ever case of Marburg virus disease confirmed in Guinea" | 13:36 |
| TurboTech | Education and understanding on how Sugar reprograms the Immune System as well as the endothelium over time might shed light on worst case scenarios from Diabeties, Endothelial Dysfuction, Metabolic Dysfunction, Pathogenic Respiratory disease, Cancer, Alzheimers etal. | 13:36 |
| TurboTech | Great, where the hell did Marburg leak from. | 13:37 |
| TurboTech | The sad part is the CDC will send people they will study it and in ten years when it comes to our shores they will be like "Oh shit we have no idea what to do with this new virus" | 13:39 |
| Raf[m] | <Brainstorm> "New from ScienceNews: What..." <- I keep seeing that cases in kids are increasing, but is there any evidence that those are serious cases? | 13:45 |
| TurboTech | Welcome back all | 13:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +3194 cases (now 720680), +35 deaths (now 10150) since 23 hours ago | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Mexican migrants aren’t spreading COVID in the U.S. No, Republicans are doing that → https://is.gd/QPoKHc | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Retraction Watch: Ivermectin meta-analysis to be retracted, revised, say authors: Less than a month after the withdrawal of a widely touted preprint claiming that ivermectin could treat COVID-19, the authors of a meta-analysis that relied heavily on the preprint say they will retract their paper. According to an expression of concern posted [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/blnXQq | 14:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19 herd immunity is ‘mythical’ and will never be reached because of Delta variant, says UK's vaccines chief → https://is.gd/hv39vs | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1911 cases (now 729024) since 22 hours ago | 15:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Francois Balloux: @BallouxFrancois: Nice article by @devisridhar. I largely agree with her. I guess that once the views of all sensible people falls in line, we can call the pandemic over. The Covid vaccines mean we can start living again – in Britain, at least | Devi Sridhar [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1RsM2h | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The Israeli graphs that prove COVID vaccines are working → https://is.gd/yuFfm0 | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Francois Balloux: @BallouxFrancois: R to @BallouxFrancois: I, for one, from now on, will try to only take into account views on covid people are expressing now, rather than opinions they may have held in the past.3/ → https://is.gd/CUOqSs | 15:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Azerbaijan: +1736 cases (now 354662), +12 deaths (now 5084) since 23 hours ago — Serbia: +792 cases (now 727246), +3 deaths (now 7146) since 23 hours ago | 16:03 |
| qkall | just gotta get this out... but some antimask/antivax lady just said to me 'i can't believe we're shutting down again' | 16:05 |
| qkall | i blurted you 'well no one follows policies so... be mad at them.' | 16:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Guinea reports west Africa’s first ever case of Marburg virus disease: West Africa’s first ever case of Marburg virus disease, an epidemic prone disease with high case fatality rates, has been confirmed in Guinea, the World Health Organisation has reported.The patient,... → https://is.gd/VXxwbg | 16:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Charity offers scholarships to bereaved children of healthcare staff: A UK charity is offering education scholarships worth £5000 (€5600; $6900) a year to children of NHS health and care workers who died from covid and who are going on to higher education.Launched on... → https://is.gd/VPd1vd | 16:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +11164 cases (now 1.4 million), +264 deaths (now 23161) since a day ago | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: Effects in Oxygenation and Hypoxic Pulmonary Vasoconstriction in ARDS Secondary to SARS-CoV2: Conditions : Hypoxic Pulmonary Vasoconstriction; Hypoxemia; ARDS Due to Disease Caused by Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2; Pulmonary Hypertension → https://is.gd/wIbM3r | 17:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kosovo: +562 cases (now 110756), +2 deaths (now 2273) since 23 hours ago — North Macedonia: +517 cases (now 158681), +4 deaths (now 5513) since 20 hours ago — Guernsey: +13 cases (now 1025) since a day ago | 17:30 |
| finely[m] | himesama: | 17:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +23297 cases (now 6.1 million) since 23 hours ago — Italy: +5624 cases (now 4.4 million), +31 deaths (now 128273) since 23 hours ago | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: How To Have Your Vaccine Confirmation On You At All Times: The cards need to be both protected and available to show when needed. You can carry the original paper card with you, plastic coated perhaps. But lots of people stash it away and show a digital copy. → https://is.gd/58S7QO | 18:08 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vaccine resistant Covid variants an 'absolute inevitability', warn experts → https://is.gd/7uU8B9 | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: New York Governor Cuomo resigns amid sexual harassment allegations: The three-term governor, who gained national acclaim for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, now faces several criminal probes into his alleged conduct. → https://is.gd/3Zf66o | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Fauci Says Teachers Should Be Required To Be Vaccinated: "We are in a major surge now as we're going into the fall, into the school season. This is very serious business," Fauci said. He urges states and localities to mandate COVID-19 vaccines for teachers. → https://is.gd/Bx499r | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greece: +4614 cases (now 521399), +19 deaths (now 13087) since a day ago — Albania: +220 cases (now 134201) since 20 hours ago — Canada: +9 deaths (now 26679) since 23 hours ago | 19:09 |
| pwr22 | Kurzgesagt have released a new video on the immune system that's pretty interesting | 19:10 |
| pwr22 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfEK8G8CUI | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: German nurse swaps vaccine for saline; 9,000 people need new shots → https://is.gd/NOm2p0 | 19:13 |
| pwr22 | Why would they do that? | 19:21 |
| pwr22 | That person should be banned from the medical field for life and preferably any field where they provide any form of critical service | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +15680 cases (now 4.6 million), +102 deaths (now 82227) since 23 hours ago — India: +30528 cases (now 32.0 million), +438 deaths (now 428725) since 22 hours ago | 19:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: Germany to end free coronavirus tests, ups pressure on vaccine skeptics → https://is.gd/eHQSA2 | 19:56 |
| LjL | they should also be charged criminally, and hopefully will | 20:07 |
| lunatunes | I think they should be charged with murder | 20:10 |
| lunatunes | if anyone in that group dies | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: The State Of Arkansas Has Only 8 Empty ICU Beds, As COVID-19 Cases Resurge: Among the states hardest-hit by a new wave of coronavirus cases linked to the highly contagious delta variant, Arkansas has "startling numbers" of new COVID-19 cases, Gov. Asa Hutchison says. → https://is.gd/bwjwTD | 20:17 |
| CITIZENFIVE | hi there | 20:24 |
| CITIZENFIVE | Did you all watch the interview made to David Icke about covid19? | 20:25 |
| CITIZENFIVE | hey there Jimmy | 20:28 |
| CITIZENFIVE | how are u? | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: As COVID Resurges, Vaccinated Americans Rage Against Holdouts: COVID-19 rates are surging again, and many Americans who’ve been vaccinated are turning their anger toward those who refuse to get the shot. → https://is.gd/UQX9N4 | 20:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sri Lanka: +3016 cases (now 335963) since 23 hours ago — France: +32 deaths (now 112374) since 23 hours ago | 21:01 |
| LjL | any European heard about masks marked "CE 2163" being potentially fraudolent / not properly tested? | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: COVID Vaccine Hesitancy: 90 Million Still On the Fence: While some of these still unvaccinated people may actually be hesitant -- that is, they have serious questions about the safety or effectiveness of the vaccines -- many just outright refuse to get vaccinated. → https://is.gd/sgPAjz | 21:53 |
| TurboTech | I am getting tired of hearing news outlets report that hospitals are filling up with Covid 19 patients. This time is a little different since all hospitals are full go with normal operations. Last year that was not the case. Are they hainv problems with beds, yes, but it is not due to an insurmountable amoutn of covid patients. The hospitals many more inpatients this time around. | 21:57 |
| TurboTech | Sorry gang that was painful to read. | 21:58 |
| TurboTech | We need to wear real N95's | 21:58 |
| TurboTech | Do not buy KN95's that have earloops. | 21:59 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.05.21261610v1 | 22:11 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Estimation of Total Immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in Texas | medRxiv | 22:11 |
| TurboTech | So basically Due to pure numbers California, Texas and Florida will reach herd immunity much faster than most of the world. | 22:14 |
| TurboTech | All of that while sporting much lower mortality rates. | 22:14 |
| specing | Didn't we agree that herd immunity is a myth? | 22:14 |
| TurboTech | The basis of herd immunity revolves around Immunogenic memory. | 22:15 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261727v1 | 22:16 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Surveillance genome sequencing reveal multiple SARS-CoV-2 variants circulating in the central Texas, USA with a predominance of Delta variant and review of vaccine breakthrough cases | medRxiv | 22:16 |
| TurboTech | I do not have hard numbers on admissions in my facilty since I am on vacation for a few days. I live and work in Texas 60 miles north of Austin | 22:17 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v2 | 22:30 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Comparison of two highly-effective mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 during periods of Alpha and Delta variant prevalence | medRxiv | 22:30 |
| himesama | TurboTech: The hospitals many more inpatients this time around. --- which diseases | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +2345 cases (now 1.4 million) since 21 hours ago | 22:40 |
| TurboTech | Normal Routine operations. | 22:42 |
| LjL | https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/p1x3md/delta_variant_renders_herd_immunity_from_covid/h8ga1hv/?context=3 idiocy, blaming antivaxxers when they have nothing to do with this, just one of the many ways to get people against other people | 22:43 |
| LjL | so much of that | 22:43 |
| TurboTech | people stayed home and all routine surgeries and even in person Drs appointments were canceled first go around. | 22:43 |
| himesama | finely[m]: ? | 22:44 |
| TurboTech | Hospitals are seeing normal amounts of people this time of year. Our Covid #'s have not hit last years numbers yet and they have only added to about 20-30% on top of the normal patietn load. They way the news is reporting it, everyone in the hospital has Covid 19 | 22:46 |
| himesama | thanks | 22:47 |
| himesama | i have seen contradictory headlines in this channel | 22:47 |
| LjL | uhm, maybe hospitals are not in the same situation in different places? | 22:48 |
| TurboTech | When I left last Friday there were 17 on my covid ward. 17 out of 60 | 22:49 |
| himesama | some antivaxxers are possibly not well educated or have access to more sources of info than one another, some horrible newspaper, their megachurch, whatever. you could almost blame teaching becoming less of a calling. | 22:51 |
| himesama | or russia or mercola or the reptilian overlord pundits or the congressmen who have a collective willingness to reason of about zero or whatever | 22:52 |
| himesama | or what specing called hyper-individualism perhaps | 22:54 |
| himesama | althought it ends up being a pretext for forming non-individualism in practice | 22:55 |
| specing | himesama: I wasn't really planning to get vaccinated until I learned of long covid. I care about old people dying of covid about as much as they care about climate change they've caused affecting younger people (me) | 22:59 |
| specing | and these lockdowns were an eye opener about how much is being done about climate change | 22:59 |
| himesama | in the sense of? | 23:01 |
| himesama | i mean what opened your eyes in particular? | 23:02 |
| LjL | in this channel nobody deserves to die | 23:02 |
| himesama | i wonder if my speculation about teaching having been a (well-educated) calling is correct | 23:04 |
| specing | himesama: seeing lives being put ahead of the economy. Something that isn't being done for climate change | 23:04 |
| specing | the latest IPCC report says that we are fucked under all scenarios D: | 23:06 |
| `St0ner | it was nice that the environment cleaned itself up globally during the first few months of covid | 23:06 |
| `St0ner | proved that if humans stopped all their shit, environment can recover | 23:07 |
| LjL | how much more plastic has ended up dumped into the sea since the pandemic? (masks and packaging) | 23:07 |
| himesama | i have been watching carl sagan videos when possible for me. not much there on youtube, so i think i have exhausted them, but he was spot on about climate change (and most things), and went into just enough detail, in a lecture to mit... professors?... to summarize the science in a few minutes. that is not often done and the topic is either presented as complex or exhortative. true that practically nothing is bei | 23:07 |
| himesama | ng done about it or has been. | 23:07 |
| `St0ner | probably a shitload. i guess we got cleaner air but dirtier land/ocean | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Francois Balloux: @BallouxFrancois: R to @BallouxFrancois: A common argument against equipoise for masks is that they're only 'mildly annoying'. I agree they are for most people, including me. But some find wearing masks unbearable. Again, we don't dispense with vaccine trials because only some people might suffer severe side-effects.5/ → https://is.gd/rYUvdh | 23:08 |
| himesama | who is r and why are we getting these opinion snuippets from brainstorm? | 23:08 |
| specing | `St0ner: haha, now pollution will be in overdrive to make up for lost revenue | 23:09 |
| himesama | stressful | 23:09 |
| LjL | < | 23:10 |
| `St0ner | but the point is that the environment can recover if drastic action is taken. im not saying we need another pandemic involving lots of disposable facemasks and ubereats packaging | 23:10 |
| LjL | jesus christ i cannot do a single thing without someone being passive aggressive about it | 23:10 |
| LjL | happier? | 23:10 |
| LjL | and "R" just means it's a reply, obviously | 23:11 |
| LjL | i merely FIXED the twitter thing that had stopped working last night | 23:11 |
| LjL | nobody had even noticed that the tweets had gone away for months due to the nitter instance dying | 23:11 |
| LjL | but of course someone immediately notices when it comes back | 23:11 |
| specing | himesama: I am/was still waiting on EMA to decide on Sputnik as I don't want to support endless wars/torture/concentration camps/terrorism/pollution (USA and UK where the approved vaccines are from) | 23:15 |
| specing | but since the russians can't get their shit in order,I guess I'll pledge my $30 towards bombing some random wedding to avoid long covid | 23:16 |
| LjL | ... | 23:16 |
| lunatunes | O_o | 23:17 |
| specing | (pfizer/BNT is $15 per shot, apparently) | 23:17 |
| himesama | idk enough about geopolitics to say anything sardonic and human rights oriented about russia in ukraine or georgia but i suspect i could perhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaps do so? | 23:18 |
| LjL | thank you | 23:18 |
| himesama | which doesn't quite help you i realize | 23:18 |
| specing | himesama: russia isn't really a shining beacon of human rights, but at least they get sanctioned for their blunders | 23:19 |
| LjL | "blunders" | 23:19 |
| LjL | i can't even say this is politics unrelated to COVID because clearly it's related, but seriously, feh | 23:20 |
| himesama | i thought sanctions were nearly non-existent, limited mainly to intellectual property treaties and such... | 23:21 |
| himesama | in general, globally, not just russia | 23:21 |
| himesama | (if you do something to strengthen the international human rights community to become orders of magnitude stronger at enforcement, with strong and non-political human rights standards, i will be pleased) | 23:29 |
| himesama | i do like that estonia sanctioned russia for something i don't recall (mostly symbolically but sounded gutsy). puts estonia on the map for me :). | 23:55 |
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