| Brainstorm | Updates for Ethiopia: +1282 cases (now 295019), +14 deaths (now 4553) since a day ago | 00:01 |
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| Jbwncster | https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/stop-it-fda-warns-people-not-take-veterinary-drugs-treat-n1277371 | 00:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: New studies hint that the coronavirus may be evolving to become more airborne: The virus appears to spread through the air, but masks reduce the amount of infectious virus → https://is.gd/cMeOut | 00:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dominica: +370 cases (now 1323) since 2 hours ago — Tunisia: +2617 cases (now 638072), +63 deaths (now 22457), +11077 tests (now 2.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Grenada: +16 cases (now 212), +838 tests (now 54254) since 2 days ago | 01:03 |
| pwr22 | <specing> "doesen't the UK still have 30..." <- I think we recently adjusted the metrics to include 16-17 year olds too so the percentage has dropped | 01:07 |
| pwr22 | I think we were up to 90% at least single vaccinated before | 01:07 |
| specing | Oh, wow | 01:20 |
| pwr22 | Oh no, looks like deaths might be trending upwards again | 01:22 |
| pwr22 | In the UK | 01:22 |
| * pwr22 uploaded an image: (4KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/shortestpath.dev/ZeoKAjZnUHCcjiTpMTrulrdn/image.png > | 01:22 | |
| pwr22 | We're up to mid-late october levels from last year ☹️ | 01:23 |
| pwr22 | And this time that's during summer and with everyone vaccined | 01:23 |
| pwr22 | Still think we're going to have a bad winter 😧 | 01:24 |
| pwr22 | Where are these next generation vaccines dammiit? | 01:24 |
| pwr22 | What happened to all the rhetoric about "It is easy for us to change the jab for new variants" | 01:24 |
| pwr22 | Well get on with it! | 01:24 |
| pwr22 | lol | 01:24 |
| pwr22 | </rant> | 01:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Anguilla: +12 cases (now 166) since 2 days ago | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Cuba grants emergency approval to second homegrown vaccine → https://is.gd/atU3MD | 01:58 |
| dTal | pwr22: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated | 02:01 |
| dTal | this cheered me right up | 02:01 |
| dTal | according to properly analysed data from Israel, the current gen of vaccines are almost 100% effective at preventing serious illness if you're under 40 | 02:03 |
| dTal | even against Delta | 02:03 |
| dTal | They're at least 90% effective if you're under 80 | 02:03 |
| pwr22 | But good to know in any case | 02:05 |
| pwr22 | dTal: Heh, unfortunately I'm not worried about myself but my relatives who are > 40 and have conditions that make them extra vulnerable ☹️ | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guyana: +22 cases (now 24069), +1570 tests (now 252800) since 22 hours ago — Madagascar: +1 cases (now 42839), +511 tests (now 237216) since a day ago | 02:06 |
| pwr22 | I just feel that soon we'll have the next iteration on delta and we haven't progressed vaccines at all | 02:06 |
| pwr22 | We pushed hard to do amazing things in the first year and then we've become complacent and lazy (this tends to happen in every pandemic afaik) and then there will be a worse wave | 02:07 |
| dTal | if that's true then paradoxically the optimal move is to get infected now | 02:07 |
| pwr22 | Yes indeed, I mean if you have a good survival rate now | 02:07 |
| pwr22 | So maybe the UK is doing the right thing 🤦♂️ | 02:07 |
| pwr22 | For the wrong reasons | 02:07 |
| dTal | facepalm male? | 02:07 |
| pwr22 | Whatever element puts in when I type it 😀 | 02:08 |
| pwr22 | Should be a unicode emoji | 02:08 |
| dTal | ...weird | 02:08 |
| pwr22 | If our healthy population all have delta antibodies leading to the best herd immunity we can get, maybe that's good? | 02:08 |
| dTal | it's two unicode emojis, a facepalm and the male symbol (circle + arrow) | 02:09 |
| pwr22 | Ah right, that's down to how your client interprets them I think. Probably older unicode spec | 02:09 |
| dTal | ah it's probably one of those combining mark things | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Tennessee radio host who criticised vaccine efforts dies of Covid-19 → https://is.gd/loosIr | 02:09 |
| pwr22 | Yeah | 02:09 |
| dTal | but yeah | 02:09 |
| dTal | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58270098 | 02:10 |
| pwr22 | A lot of emoji selectors now prioritise the gendered emoji over the non-gendered ones (which are gonna be fixed as one or the other in the client usually) | 02:10 |
| dTal | the BBC is openly endorsing that angle | 02:10 |
| pwr22 | I just select whatever because I just want a facepalm 😀 | 02:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | Peter: have a look at how reliable the bridge is | 02:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | Well i can't paste without pesky extra characters, but anyway | 02:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | <pwr22> But good to know in any case | 02:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | <pwr22> dTal: Heh, unfortunately I'm not worried about myself but my relatives who are > 40 and have conditions that make them extra vulnerable ☹️ | 02:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | Oh I can now apparently | 02:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | anyway, it posted them in reverse order, and the one that was a reply has no sign of it being a reply, although that might be a Feature of replies sent soon after the original message, hopefully :P (which would be a good idea if it's actually a feature and not a bug... but the wrong ordering is quite certainly a bug!) | 02:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Antibody tests offered to public for first time: The UK-wide scheme for adults who test positive for coronavirus will launch next week. → https://is.gd/bzQEKQ | 02:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ukraine: +1960 cases (now 2.3 million), +43 deaths (now 54921) since 23 hours ago — France: +28505 cases (now 6.6 million), +85 deaths (now 113365) since 23 hours ago — Egypt: +173 cases (now 286168), +9 deaths (now 16663) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +2443 cases (now 1.9 million), +7 deaths (now 18103) since 23 hours ago | 02:30 |
| LjL | you didn't have anybody tests before? pretty sure i know someone who got some O.o | 02:31 |
| pwr22 | <LjL-Matrix> "anyway, it posted them in revers" <- Yeah it's meant to be that way I think | 02:32 |
| pwr22 | Yeah sending them backwards is not great ha | 02:33 |
| LjL | pwr22, well, now it was posted as <pwr22> <LjL-Matrix> "anyway, it posted them in revers" <- Yeah it's meant to be that way I think | 02:34 |
| LjL | but i guess enough time passed, i dunno | 02:34 |
| pwr22 | LjL: The antibody tests were for sure happening but I think it was some subset sampling done at random | 02:34 |
| pwr22 | My guess is 5 mins or something | 02:34 |
| LjL | pwr22, well i mean, i know someone who just got and bought antibody tests | 02:34 |
| pwr22 | or some other larger round number 😀 | 02:34 |
| LjL | pwr22, maybe it would be better to make it a function of how much intervening text there was. but i won't be too picky | 02:34 |
| LjL | pwr22, i wonder if the reverse order is somehow *tied* to the feature... i.e. that feature can cause consecutive messages to lose ordering for some reason | 02:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | LjL: I wonder too | 02:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | hehe | 02:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | wait no | 02:35 |
| LjL | what do you mean LjL-Matrix | 02:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | LjL: this, you see | 02:36 |
| LjL-Matrix | get it? | 02:36 |
| LjL-Matrix | nope, right order | 02:36 |
| LjL-Matrix | and no i don't have MPD | 02:36 |
| pwr22 | Oh no, the LjLs are diverging again! | 02:37 |
| TurboTech | Hi Guys. Here is a nugget. | 02:39 |
| TurboTech | .title https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/29/1027290/gain-of-function-risky-bat-virus-engineering-links-america-to-wuhan/ | 02:39 |
| Brainstorm | TurboTech: From www.technologyreview.com: Inside the risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan | MIT Technology Review | 02:39 |
| p0indexter | +Brainstorm: all irrational concpiracies not whithstanding...that storm was brewing for a while im afraid. | 02:49 |
| p0indexter | and is prolly true | 02:50 |
| pwr22 | Eurgh, paywall | 02:51 |
| LjL | so many paywalls | 02:51 |
| LjL | but just today a paper was published saying it's most likely NOT leaked from the lab | 02:52 |
| LjL | we believe papers, right?! | 02:52 |
| TurboTech | Just knowing that they were working on gain of function in BSL2 labs is beyond concerning. | 02:53 |
| LjL | yes, i guess we can concentrate on that and forget about the origins controversy | 02:53 |
| TurboTech | Who knows how many variants they found and who knows how many they reported. | 02:53 |
| LjL | but i think the opinions *on* the origin can be sort of biased by "are you a lab researcher who doesn't want to risk BSLn labs being closed" | 02:54 |
| pwr22 | Everyone everywhere is always doing gain of function research for benign and non-benign reasons | 02:54 |
| pwr22 | The UK for example leaked a particularly nasty strain of foot and mouth from the labs here | 02:54 |
| TurboTech | My Lab is a BSL2 | 02:54 |
| pwr22 | And then we had to cull all our livestock | 02:55 |
| pwr22 | I have no idea what the rating of that lab was but it had secure and insecure sinks in the same lab | 02:55 |
| pwr22 | So probably a shitty rating | 02:55 |
| LjL | pwr22, well i mean, while i'm not automatically saying that gof research is *bad*, certainly events like that should raise some debate | 02:55 |
| pwr22 | I agree it's scary but it is what it is ☹️ | 02:55 |
| pwr22 | Sure yeah, sorry if I wasn't clear what I was getting at | 02:56 |
| TurboTech | It's all sorts of irresponsibility. but if the main researchers could speed up variants by letting people get sick that is rediculous. | 02:56 |
| TurboTech | I pointed out Peter Daszac Early on because he was the only English name int he 2013 study and I wanted to know what his deal was. | 02:57 |
| LjL | on the other hand you could argue that being able to predict what variants are most likely to arise (by doing sped-up gof on cell cultures) could help producing vaccines that are good for variants before they even arise, putting an end to this catching-up with COVID that seems to look like it's going to be endless right now | 02:57 |
| TurboTech | But the problem is that the CDC and NIH are saying they knew nothing | 02:58 |
| TurboTech | Just like the Ebola crisis a few years ago. They have been studying it for years but when it comes to the US they are like, Oh my gosh what do we do? | 02:58 |
| pwr22 | LjL: "catching up with covid" - I think we've retired from the race 😛 | 02:59 |
| LjL | :( | 02:59 |
| TurboTech | My ex wife said that her numbers at her hospital are starting to go down and she is in one of the Hotbeds in Texas. (Austin) | 03:00 |
| pwr22 | TurboTech: that sounds good? | 03:00 |
| TurboTech | I will say that I do think that certain states are under reporting. | 03:01 |
| TurboTech | This variant is pretty contagious so It might be close to burning itself out in Florida and Texas. | 03:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Whopping 94% of Adults in England Have Covid-19 Antibodies → https://is.gd/WSBMJm | 03:02 |
| pwr22 | Brainstorm: we know that statements like those aren't really meaningful anymore 😛 | 03:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: There was little evidence of decline of vaccine efficacy in the 6 month follow-up of @Pfizer/@BioNTech_Group pivotal trial (6 mos, 91%), pre-Deltahttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1In contrast, in Israel, with Delta that dropped to ~40% in vaccinees > 6 months out. Now on the way back up → https://is.gd/B8bqBn | 03:23 |
| * archpc coughs on everyone | 04:26 | |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Sydney anti-lockdown protest organiser jailed for at least three months - According to police, Khallouf was involved in planning an unauthorised rally in Sydney for this weekend → https://is.gd/6ykERa | 04:27 |
| * de-facto serves archpc a cup of strong black tea | 04:45 | |
| * archpc dies | 04:47 | |
| * pwr22 ponders whether archpc runs Arch? | 04:55 | |
| archpc | Used to | 04:56 |
| pwr22 | 😀 | 04:56 |
| archpc | Many many moons ago | 04:57 |
| archpc | also, I’m positive as of yesterday :D | 04:57 |
| archpc | 2nd round let’s GOOOO | 04:57 |
| pwr22 | Oh no, you have covid? | 04:57 |
| pwr22 | For the second time? | 04:57 |
| archpc | Yeah | 04:57 |
| archpc | vaccinated too | 04:57 |
| pwr22 | Hopefully it won't be too bad | 04:58 |
| pwr22 | Double covid rainbow 🌈 | 04:58 |
| archpc | I feel like shit, may have to go to the hospital if I feel worse in the morning | 04:58 |
| archpc | hahahah | 04:58 |
| pwr22 | At least it sounds like you have like the most aggressive immunity regime it's possible to get | 04:59 |
| pwr22 | Any idea when / where you may have caught it? | 04:59 |
| archpc | My roommate | 04:59 |
| archpc | no question | 04:59 |
| archpc | so, within the week | 04:59 |
| pwr22 | Oh dear | 04:59 |
| archpc | I’m going to haunt them if this kills me | 05:00 |
| pwr22 | Hope you come through ok 🙂 | 05:01 |
| pwr22 | How was it last time? | 05:01 |
| archpc | Horrid | 05:03 |
| archpc | Solid 2/10 don’t recommend | 05:04 |
| pwr22 | ☹️ | 05:04 |
| archpc | 🤠 | 05:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Rev. Jesse Jackson and his wife have been hospitalized after testing positive for Covid-19 → https://is.gd/wxjuZ9 | 05:09 |
| de-facto | may we know your age archpc ? | 05:18 |
| archpc | 25 | 05:18 |
| pwr22 | Any medical conditions that make you more susceptible? | 05:18 |
| de-facto | ok so you had a low risk and with vaccination even lower now, at least there is that | 05:18 |
| archpc | Chronic asthma | 05:18 |
| pwr22 | Ah ☹️ | 05:19 |
| archpc | and the first time nearly killed me so | 05:19 |
| de-facto | what symptoms you got now? | 05:19 |
| pwr22 | I can relate, I'm super susceptible to chest things | 05:19 |
| archpc | Fatigue, body pains, pretty bad chest pain, lightheadedness/ nearly blacking out when I stand up, mild cough | 05:20 |
| de-facto | sounds like it could fit, did you test positive? | 05:22 |
| de-facto | ah you wrote above | 05:22 |
| de-facto | how long you got those symptoms? | 05:22 |
| archpc | About, 4-5 days | 05:22 |
| archpc | Haven’t been getting any better | 05:23 |
| de-facto | i read that vaccinated may get breakthrough infections, even with similar viral load in the upper respiratory tract to non-vaccinated with the delta variant, but that they recover faster and have much less probability for severe progressions | 05:24 |
| archpc | I hope so | 05:24 |
| archpc | With my | 05:25 |
| archpc | Erm | 05:25 |
| archpc | with my luck it’s some delta 360 no scope variant | 05:25 |
| de-facto | do you happen to have a pulse-oximeter? | 05:25 |
| archpc | No | 05:25 |
| pwr22 | archpc: I hope it doesn't have aimbot | 05:26 |
| de-facto | you should get one, just to monitor your blood oxigenation level | 05:26 |
| archpc | Funny enough I sold my Apple Watch 6 which had a rudimentary one | 05:26 |
| de-facto | i think you can get them cheaply on amazon, or send a friend to any pharmacy and deposit it on front of your door or such | 05:26 |
| de-facto | it would be good to have that, just to estimate if it stays in the upper respiratory tract or if it affects the lungs | 05:27 |
| archpc | Will do | 05:28 |
| de-facto | which vaccine did you got? | 05:29 |
| pwr22 | I think if you were bad enough your O2 sats are dropping then it's time to be in hospital | 05:30 |
| pwr22 | I'm not a fan of people having oximeters at home unless they're medically mandated, known to be well calibrated and the user is trained to interpret them | 05:30 |
| de-facto | thats why i got one in advance, i measure from time to time just to know my "normal levels" with that device | 05:31 |
| archpc | Moderna | 05:31 |
| de-facto | me too, afaik should be a decent one | 05:32 |
| de-facto | how long ago was your 2nd shot? | 05:32 |
| archpc | Like, a week | 05:33 |
| de-facto | huh? you should then be on the peak of your vaccine protection | 05:34 |
| pwr22 | Isn't a week too recent to get much benefit from it? | 05:34 |
| de-facto | what kind of test did you make? | 05:34 |
| pwr22 | Though yeah your immune system must be in super covid fighting mode | 05:35 |
| archpc | Yeah, I for my second shot on the 11th, and I took the “ SARS-COV-2 RNA, QL, RT PCR (COVID-19)” test from CVS | 05:35 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2032195 | 05:36 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nejm.org: Durability of Responses after SARS-CoV-2 mRNA-1273 Vaccination | NEJM | 05:36 |
| pwr22 | CVS? | 05:36 |
| archpc | A USA pharmacy chain | 05:36 |
| de-facto | thats really strange, you really should have quite some good protection, look at those graphs there, the two arrows indicate the vaccination times | 05:37 |
| de-facto | you got the shots 4 weeks apart? | 05:37 |
| archpc | Yeah | 05:37 |
| pwr22 | de-facto: having more protection doesn't mean you can't get ill though, especially if you're susceptible | 05:37 |
| de-facto | so exactly as in the study there | 05:37 |
| pwr22 | I would expect that archpc is more protected than they would be otherwise I guess | 05:38 |
| de-facto | i think there could not be better protection right now with vaccines than what he got | 05:38 |
| pwr22 | Yup | 05:38 |
| pwr22 | And with having previously had covid too | 05:38 |
| de-facto | maybe its just the immune response | 05:39 |
| pwr22 | But I meant more that maximal protection is relative | 05:39 |
| pwr22 | People who are more vulnerable are more vulnerable | 05:39 |
| pwr22 | Statistically children don't die of covid, but in reality they occasionally do etc | 05:39 |
| pwr22 | Same deal, there's exceptions to the general rule | 05:40 |
| pwr22 | archpc unfortunately hasn't come out lucky in this pandemic ☹️ | 05:40 |
| de-facto | all what i am saying is that the odds are in his favor, as much as possible with vaccine protection | 05:40 |
| pwr22 | Oh yeah definitely | 05:40 |
| pwr22 | I have no doubt about that | 05:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: In US, a Dollar per doughnut per day: One man’s vaccination quest → https://is.gd/yvY78Q | 05:41 |
| pwr22 | This situation is exactly what I worry about for some of my family | 05:41 |
| archpc | I fucking hate these plague rats in my county | 05:41 |
| pwr22 | They are very vulnerable and kind of being ignored as handwaved away by our government policy saying "some people have to die so we can go drink in the pub with no restrictions" | 05:41 |
| pwr22 | Which is fundamentally disagree with and think people have a very privileged view on their liberties during this whole thing | 05:42 |
| de-facto | yeah and breeding evasive mutants, i am very much against letting incidence bubble up without doing anything against that | 05:42 |
| pwr22 | It's just lazy | 05:43 |
| de-facto | i hope you feel better soon archpc keep us informed | 05:45 |
| archpc | Yeah I don’t feel very good haha | 05:47 |
| pwr22 | Get plenty of rest and get well soon 🙂 | 05:48 |
| de-facto | and always stay hydrated, avoid sugar and coffee, drink green tea and chamomile tea (inactivated freely floating virions, maybe chamomile is anti-inflammatory) | 05:50 |
| * archpc puts away the meth bulb | 05:51 | |
| de-facto | you take any asthma meds? | 05:51 |
| de-facto | like inhaler or such? | 05:51 |
| archpc | I had an inhaler for most my life, since I was a toddler until like.. 16 | 05:52 |
| de-facto | ah ok so you dont take anything regularly then? | 05:53 |
| archpc | No | 05:53 |
| pwr22 | I was the same but I got hit badly by the flu until I started taking inhalers regularly again | 05:53 |
| pwr22 | The steroid preventative kind | 05:53 |
| pwr22 | Maybe something to look into with your doctor when you're better? | 05:53 |
| de-facto | thats why i was asking, some of those actually were said to be of help | 05:54 |
| archpc | I probably should, can’t run too far without dying, and I’m not particularly out of shape | 05:54 |
| pwr22 | Do you get hit quite badly when you get flu / chest infections? | 05:54 |
| de-facto | yeah right now you should avoid anything with high pulse rates anyhow | 05:54 |
| archpc | de-facto, I meant in general | 05:54 |
| archpc | pwr22, yeah, usually every spring I get a wicked chest infection, knocks me out for a week or two | 05:55 |
| pwr22 | Ok, definitely go get back on some asthma meds when you're better | 05:55 |
| pwr22 | You sound very similar to me 😀 | 05:55 |
| archpc | Hahaha | 05:55 |
| pwr22 | Infact some medical practitioners claimed that my asthma wasn't bad enough for medicating | 05:56 |
| pwr22 | But every year my lungs get more and more wrecked | 05:56 |
| pwr22 | So I wish I never stopped | 05:56 |
| de-facto | out of curiosity, does anti-inflammatory food have any influence on that? | 05:56 |
| archpc | I wouldn’t know | 05:57 |
| archpc | also: proof of positive test - https://files.catbox.moe/2snm1z.jpeg | 05:57 |
| de-facto | yeah i believe you | 05:58 |
| archpc | I told a few people and they’re like “no way!1!1!1!!” Or deny it’s real and I’m just like :| | 06:01 |
| LjL | by now the vaccine has very low protection against infection, i'm not surprised | 06:01 |
| LjL | disappointed | 06:02 |
| de-facto | in your place i would try to eat anti-inflammatory foods, because immune reaction should be there by now | 06:02 |
| archpc | such as? | 06:02 |
| archpc | I’ve just been having salads, water, fruit, and some soup | 06:02 |
| LjL | i bet green tea is involved | 06:02 |
| archpc | What I usually eat anyways | 06:02 |
| archpc | LjL, tea is good | 06:03 |
| de-facto | hmm low carb, no sugar, fresh vegetables, much diversity, maybe less or no animal protein | 06:03 |
| archpc | So, what I eat anyway | 06:04 |
| de-facto | yeah sounds good | 06:04 |
| de-facto | broccoli may be good, idk i like it :) | 06:04 |
| pwr22 | I wouldn't overthink what you eat to much, eat what you have and can 😀 | 06:04 |
| pwr22 | and want to | 06:05 |
| archpc | Is it weird to call the hospital to see if they even have room | 06:05 |
| pwr22 | I dunno | 06:05 |
| * archpc shrugs | 06:06 | |
| de-facto | you definitely should get that pulse-oximeter and also a thermometer, then measure everyday with fixed times and make a table form that | 06:06 |
| de-facto | your temp probably will follow roughly a sinus curve and the oxygenation level i dont know what curve that follows | 06:07 |
| de-facto | but it should stay above say 9X % | 06:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Radio host who regretted vaccine scepticism dies of Covid → https://is.gd/u6tfv6 | 06:14 |
| archpc | Hahahaha splat | 06:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Australia’s PM Morrison defends lockdown strategy until majority vaccinated → https://is.gd/SHx1Ea | 06:24 |
| archpc | yea I’m most likely going to the hospital in the morning | 06:32 |
| pwr22 | ☹️ | 06:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +30948 cases (now 32.4 million), +1532 deaths (now 434243) since 22 hours ago | 07:10 |
| archpc | Update: stood up and blacked out for a sec | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New York, United States: +5943 cases (now 2.2 million) since a day ago — Sicily, Italy: +1739 cases (now 263202), +12 deaths (now 6213) since a day ago — Aichi, Japan: +1445 cases (now 67203), +3 deaths (now 1029) since a day ago — New South Wales, Australia: +822 cases (now 17995), +3 deaths (now 125) since a day ago | 08:00 |
| archpc | Oof | 08:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Italy's president says getting covid-19 vaccine a 'duty' → https://is.gd/9nEk07 | 08:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | August 22, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/HtWKOm | 09:03 |
| archpc | my friend suggested instead of going to the hospital I “do laps around the house” and “stay active” as I can barely walk | 09:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Israel: +375 cases (now 985716), +99036 tests (now 18.4 million) since 12 hours ago — Czechia: +134 cases (now 1.7 million), +1 deaths (now 30385), +76554 tests (now 35.2 million) since 23 hours ago | 10:04 |
| xrogaan | %title https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fda-horse-dewormer-covid-fox-news-1215168/ | 10:18 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: From www.rollingstone.com: The FDA Is Begging You Not to Take Horse Dewormer for Covid-19 - Rolling Stone | 10:18 |
| xrogaan | what? | 10:18 |
| xrogaan | don't wanna vaccinate <> let's take some horse de-worming instead | 10:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'You are not a cow': FDA begs Americans to stop taking drug meant for livestock as COVID-19 remedy → https://is.gd/91Omby | 10:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Goa, India: +122 cases (now 173088), +2 deaths (now 3184) since 23 hours ago — Saint Lucia: +156 cases (now 7111), +137 vaccines (now 34601), +550 tests (now 65420) since a day ago — Curacao: +48 cases (now 14937), +1 deaths (now 137), +376 vaccines (now 95205) since a day ago | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Slovakia: +105 cases (now 394082), +4842 tests (now 3.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Taiwan: +10 cases (now 15926), +28374 tests (now 4.7 million) since a day ago | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Conservative radio host Phil Valentine dies of COVID at 61 after month-long hospitalization: Vaccine skeptic who believed he had 'very low risk of dying' regretted his stance after move to ICU → https://is.gd/4lSbBE | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +185 cases (now 2.9 million), +33497 tests (now 19.5 million) since a day ago | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Brunei: +314 cases (now 1769), +5450 tests (now 201057) since 23 hours ago — Croatia: +373 cases (now 369765), +3 deaths (now 8301), +9397 tests (now 2.5 million) since a day ago | 13:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Swiss scientist warns of possible Covid ‘super strain’ → https://is.gd/Yelyee | 13:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Police say Melbourne anti-lockdown protest ‘most violent in nearly 20 years’ → https://is.gd/jXGuBF | 13:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +1702 cases (now 747433), +24 deaths (now 10509), +9443 tests (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago — UAE: +1076 cases (now 709378), +2 deaths (now 2020), +309026 tests (now 71.9 million) since a day ago — Germany: +6170 cases (now 3.9 million) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gibraltar: +9 cases (now 5287), +354 tests (now 330131) since 22 hours ago | 14:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Melissa Joan Hart is fully vaccinated and sick with Covid → https://is.gd/2mI9Ck | 14:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vietnam: +15831 cases (now 348059), +737 deaths (now 8277) since 23 hours ago — Libya: +1722 cases (now 295254), +34 deaths (now 4051), +7260 tests (now 1.5 million) since 2 days ago — Iceland: +62 cases (now 10115), +2768 tests (now 942225) since a day ago — Denmark: +923 cases (now 337417), +2 deaths (now 2566), +140098 tests (now 79.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Investigations - Bill Gates has major shares in both Pfizer & BioNTech, and an FOI has revealed he is the primary funder of the MHRA → https://is.gd/frGgYG | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Rescue dogs shot dead by New South Wales Parliament due to COVID-19 restrictions - Sydney News Today → https://is.gd/c4OXGJ | 15:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Health: Policies Mandated by Multilateral Institutions Are Contributing to India's COVID Catastrophe → https://is.gd/mfCBNM | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Rescue dogs shot dead by NSW council due to COVID-19 restrictions → https://is.gd/K7n9s5 | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +4804 cases (now 1.5 million), +139 deaths (now 25282) since a day ago — Azerbaijan: +3069 cases (now 391506), +29 deaths (now 5308), +14976 tests (now 4.3 million) since a day ago — Kenya: +646 cases (now 229009), +30 deaths (now 4497), +6039 tests (now 2.3 million) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 16:30 |
| lastshell | LjL I saw your comment about vaccine has very low protection against infection, but it helps to keep people out of the hospital ? | 16:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: I seem to be fielding a lot of questions from people worried about the pandemic data from Israel and ADE. To reiterate, this is the opposite of what you would see if ADE were a problem. → https://is.gd/t6A2Eh | 16:41 |
| de-facto | .title https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-business-music-health-arts-and-entertainment-a49e01561edc13641b1079dd2145fda6 | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From apnews.com: 'Unmute us': Marchers demand return of Dutch music festivals | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: Important work/finding by @Corine_GvK and @ErasmusMC team. Breakthrough (nearly all Delta) infections in healthcare workers had less viral culture positivity than primary infections despite similar Ct, viral load. Documents another benefit of vaccination: less infectious. Short🧵 → https://is.gd/MSjAaI | 17:13 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMESDm0PVQ | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: Aftermovie Verknipt Festival 2021 - YouTube | 17:13 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/15/music-festival-in-holland-leads-to-over-1000-covid-infections.html | 17:14 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.cnbc.com: Music festival in the Netherlands leads to over 1,000 Covid infections | 17:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The arrival of the highly infectious Delta variant "does raise some big questions" about New Zealand's pandemic response, a minister has said. → https://is.gd/bOWgrk | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Myanmar: +2173 cases (now 373685), +138 deaths (now 14374), +8991 tests (now 3.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 17:32 |
| LjL | lastshell, yes | 17:48 |
| LjL | but then people say such nonsensen | 17:49 |
| LjL | https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/p9b8uy/melissa_joan_hart_is_fully_vaccinated_and_sick/h9whexc/ the vaccine helps... via the INNATE immunity conferred by interferon? | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: A study of >7,000 people with serial #SARSCoV2 IgG antibodies to 6+ months after @Pfizer vaccination or prior covid shows early advantage of vaccination but attrition later. No data on combined impact https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262111v1.full.pdf → https://is.gd/Y8XNvu | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +20861 cases (now 6.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Chile: +663 cases (now 1.6 million), +45 deaths (now 36650), +59480 tests (now 19.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Togo: +28 cases (now 19156), +2458 tests (now 444818) since a day ago — Djibouti: +6 cases (now 11696), +705 tests (now 202964) since a day ago | 18:09 |
| LjL | https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1428907639388327937 wut, monoclonal antibodies are "free"? | 18:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Time for pandemic puppies to learn how to be alone → https://is.gd/Onty9x | 18:18 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Large-scale study of antibody titer decay following BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine or SARS-CoV-2 infection ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/RZESAH2Z ) | 18:21 | |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Rescue dogs shot dead by NSW council due to COVID-19 restrictions → https://is.gd/cWYPmA | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +5922 cases (now 4.5 million), +23 deaths (now 128751) since 23 hours ago | 18:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors → https://is.gd/icXAUo | 18:39 |
| nixonix | slavitt: "mRNA is also most easily scaled & manufactured & can react to new mutants in 90 days" | 18:47 |
| nixonix | i think we got pretty good confirmation 617.2 will overtake uk variant in early may or so. its been over 90 days already... | 18:49 |
| nixonix | not in late april probably: | 18:50 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.yahoo.com/news/gottlieb-says-nation-decline-covid-174417633.html | 18:50 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.yahoo.com: Gottlieb says nation can take decline in COVID cases "to the bank" | 18:50 |
| nixonix | anyone remembers or have a link when it was noticed in uk? before cases went up, the share of delta increasing rapidly? | 18:52 |
| nixonix | After detecting 77 cases of lineage B.1.617 in the UK in mid-April 2021, Public Health England designated the lineage as a variant under investigation | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cuba: +9548 cases (now 583299), +63 deaths (now 4544), +53853 tests (now 7.5 million) since a day ago — Jordan: +958 cases (now 789474), +8 deaths (now 10293), +27682 tests (now 9.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +2 deaths (now 26792) since 22 hours ago | 18:59 |
| LjL | nixonix, i'm going to say 15 April https://covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw | 18:59 |
| nixonix | i didnt see it back then, because it was mostly in india and some of its neighbouring countries, and it could have been just local phenomenom. around that time i made a comment, that uk variant will probably beat it in transmission (as it had done to other VOCs) | 19:02 |
| nixonix | but couple days after that gottliebs statement, 28th apr: "The UK is among the countries in the world that have seen the highest spread of the Indian variant of coronavirus, the World Health Organization (WHO) has warned." | 19:03 |
| nixonix | may 8th: B.1.617.2 - has been reclassified from "variant under investigation (VUI)" to "variant of concern (VOC)" after it was found to be highly transmissible | 19:04 |
| nixonix | Cases of the B.1.617.2 variant increased to 520 from 202 over the last week, PHE said, mainly in London and the northwest town of Bolton, with almost half the cases related to contact with a traveler | 19:05 |
| nixonix | and around that time they werent sure if it was just local founders effect. but when cases increased, id say around mid may it probably looked obvious | 19:06 |
| nixonix | not sure when they saw it overtake uk variant rapidly in cell cultures, but its not the same than in human body, and even less in actual transmission between people | 19:07 |
| nixonix | btw if you have age group data for deaths in under 10 yo or under 16 yo in different countries, please link. i just found in canada 15 under 20 yo, but didnt see under 16 yo or under 12/10 or so (kids vaccination arguments, although its not just deaths) | 19:10 |
| nixonix | a case for the 3rd doses: double vaccinated and not too long from that will reduce mortality from infection around 30 years. so that 80 yo would have around the same mortality than 50 yo unvaccinated | 19:11 |
| nixonix | but sure as hell 50 yo should be vaccinated... so its not nearly enough protection for 80 yo | 19:11 |
| nixonix | mortality around doubles for every 10 yo of age (cdc). risk for icu its not so big difference, and even less for hospitalization | 19:12 |
| nixonix | but as vaccine affects them less than mortality, it probably has close to similar ratio than in deaths (reducing around 30 years worth of risk for them too, roughly) | 19:13 |
| nixonix | so in israel they have advanced to offering 3rd dose for 40 yo who has 5 months from the 2nd | 19:14 |
| nixonix | hopefully those vaccines reduce risks of brain damage, POD, chromosome damage etc similarly. its one of the most important open questions imo, as are the risk of those for unvaccinated in different age groups | 19:16 |
| nixonix | after those, what is the solution for vaccine protection lasting. novavax still hasnt applied for approval. trials are done. sanofi is in rolling review and should apply Q4 (both adjuvanted, so maybe those could be the solution) | 19:17 |
| lastshell | ty Ljl | 19:20 |
| nixonix | if we had some idea of the risks of those, it wouldnt be hard to plan the optimal strategy (strict suppression or keeping the cases low enough for hospital capacity etc). experts have been divided, some dont see the risks of permanent damage for many at all | 19:21 |
| nixonix | or those risks for kids, with no vaccination, so they dont care about school transmission (finland, switzerland, sweden), not even bothering to quarantine whole classes | 19:23 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1427184702612557825 | 19:26 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Deepti Gurdasani (@dgurdasani1): "Policies from today for contacts of cases- Even if someone in your household has COVID you no longer have to isolate if: -you're doubly vaccinated -<18 yrs 6 mnths [...] | 19:26 |
| lastshell | does anybody have a recent data for US hospitalizations ? this one ends in March 4 2021 https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-currently-hospitalized | 19:26 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/ChristosArgyrop/status/1427981640010059777 | 19:28 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD (Green Chili Check) (@ChristosArgyrop): "Life expectancy will decrease by a decade (results guaranteed only with COVID19, drop will be larger with delta-COVID21), [...] | 19:28 |
| lastshell | oh this one has more recent data -> https://ourworldindata.org/covid-hospitalizations | 19:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: True "If you’re vaccinated, your immune system is ready, it’s better equipped, and it usually kicks the virus’s ass.”—@angie_rasmussen Then, why not always? And what is the real breakthrough risk?https://www.newyorker.com/science/medical-dispatch/have-you-already-had-a-breakthrough-covid-infection [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Ffl7yl | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for North Macedonia: +881 cases (now 168872), +6 deaths (now 5660), +6591 tests (now 1.1 million) since 23 hours ago — Jamaica: +551 cases (now 61833), +17 deaths (now 1388), +1389 tests (now 531130) since 21 hours ago — Qatar: +205 cases (now 230837), +4191 tests (now 2.5 million) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 19:36 |
| LjL | lastshell, look also at the Trackers section of the resources page in the topic, i think although some trackers have died in the meanwhile, there are some good trackers for the US | 19:58 |
| LjL | %links us hospitalizations | 19:58 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, https://www.astrazeneca.com/content/astraz/media-centre/press-releases/2021/astrazeneca-us-vaccine-trial-met-primary-endpoint.html (AZD1222 US Phase III trial met primary efficacy endpoint in preventing COVID-19 at interim analysis) in an AstraZeneca press release announcing the US trial found overall 79% efficacy including in 65+ people (who constituted 20% of the trial [... want %more?] | 19:58 |
| LjL | nixonix, this says that "living with" the virus will mean a decade of lost life expectancy and all sorts of other terrible things... a the same time, Balloux (whom i don't really like, incidentally) says that if you're a "zero-covider" then by definition you're an extremist | 19:59 |
| LjL | it's nice to see science is in agreement | 19:59 |
| LjL | Brainstorm! | 19:59 |
| Brainstorm | LjL! | 19:59 |
| LjL | is it me or are we netsplit | 19:59 |
| LjL | %links us hospitalizations tracker | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ (Il Sole 24 Ore's Italy-specific tracker) with cases by region and province as well as hospitalization/ICU rates and other detailed graphs (in Italian) | 20:00 |
| nixonix | we just dont know about permanent consequences, levy bodies in humans, stuff like that. is it close to 0%, close to 100%, somewhere in between, also for kids, how about mild cases and vaccinated | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sierra Leone: +8 cases (now 6355) since 3 days ago | 20:01 |
| nixonix | so its easier to assume something and roll with that. history will make them heroes or killers | 20:02 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/DGBassani/status/1428943820172009478 | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Diego Bassani, PhD 🏠😷💉 (@DGBassani): "Not looking forward to living like this for the next 5-6 years. Endemicity with one of the most infectious respiratory viruses known to man is such a stupid idea [...] | 20:02 |
| nixonix | nyt has a tracker for hospitalizations and lots of stuff, but behind paywall and doesnt work properly in archives | 20:03 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1428272223823990787 | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): "I never called covid the end of humanity. I said humans will be selected for traits against the pathogen, like with malaria. This person is writing [...] | 20:06 |
| nixonix | check the thread, from the poster who started it. interesting arguing | 20:06 |
| LjL | nt sure if i should try to improve the search criteria of %links or just do something with Zotero's API instead of it | 20:08 |
| LjL | that Leonardi sure sounds pissed off that someone questioned his beliefs | 20:10 |
| LjL | or even questioned the possibility they may have to be questioned | 20:10 |
| LjL | "It is your right to block whichever account you want. Specially anon accounts. It's pretty awful for someone to question that." ← according to someone ANYTHING is awful | 20:11 |
| LjL | jesus | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: Covid hospitalization rate and % total population fully vaccinated Canada 67% 2/100,000KUS 51% 27/100,000KIntra-USVermont 67% 4/100,000KFlorida 51% 78/100,000K@OurWorldInData → https://is.gd/imgbfu | 20:16 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/DFisman/status/1429037458990190596 | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: David Fisman (@DFisman): "The Ontario science table has important modeling work that projects a grim fall. I don't understand why they're not releasing that. It's important for people to understand [...] | 20:16 |
| nixonix | what will happen if this situation will take years, and doctors and nurses start leaving their jobs | 20:18 |
| nixonix | 2020 there was some talk about bonuses for nurses due to all the extra load, esp at the "metropolitan" area (which is funny for those from big countries). well they got nothing, but at the metro area they got a christmas card that they had to print themself | 20:24 |
| nixonix | checked, it wasnt christmas card but some kind of "thank you" card | 20:26 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1429435486414807045 - anyone has links to the subject? | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): "those are correlates uncoupled with pathology. aka kids with asymptomatic ground glass, high viral load, and no abs" | nitter | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +10748 cases (now 2.7 million), +170 deaths (now 79421), +51830 tests (now 16.0 million) since a day ago — Turkey: +19108 cases (now 6.2 million), +265196 tests (now 73.8 million) since 21 hours ago | 20:38 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2021/08/18/pots-long-covid-chronic-fatigue-connection/ | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.healthrising.org: Could a POTS/Long COVID/ ME/CFS Connection Explain Much? - Health Rising | 20:53 |
| nixonix | They also propose that tachycardia /Post-Covid-19 Tachycardia Syndrome could be caused by damage to the heart, lungs, or other organs, via inflammation caused by blood vessel damage, by hypercoagulability, by dysfunction of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone (RAA) system, fever, pain, anxiety, depression, neuroinflammation, and low blood volume | 20:54 |
| nixonix | We now know that ME/CFS patients with POTS and without POTS are connected in a fundamental way: both groups feature dramatically reduced blood flows to their brains. It’s the numbers that make this potentially such a big deal. While perhaps 20% of ME/CFS patients have POTS, almost 100% of them appear to have reduced blood flows to the brain | 20:57 |
| nixonix | so if brain damage would be caused by vascular damage, is it directly on the area, or indirect consequence of reduced blood flow (could be both though). maybe the locations of the damage shows the answer (if its about vessels) | 20:59 |
| gustik | vaccination status? | 21:00 |
| nixonix | who, POTS patients, me, everyone? (me its 2 doses) | 21:05 |
| gustik | no, I do not care about your vaccination status, I was asking about the patients | 21:08 |
| gustik | yes, POTS patients | 21:08 |
| gustik | and where it is from (country) | 21:08 |
| nixonix | theres a link to the research paper the article mainly talks about. in that article | 21:10 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Could a POTS/Long COVID/ ME/CFS Connection Explain Much? ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/46SK6MR6 ) | 21:21 | |
| nixonix | gibraltar leading since february. reached 200 doses per 100 in april. even malta is far behind | 21:21 |
| nixonix | https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?time=2021-01-01..latest&country=European+Union~GIB~USA~GBR~ISR~MLT | 21:21 |
| nixonix | almost all pfizer there (some az for those pfizer doesnt suit, i read) | 21:22 |
| pwr22 | Hmm, planning to meet up with a friend this week but they have recently had covid and I'm not sure what the accepted window is for infectiousness so hoping someone here can help me out | 21:22 |
| nixonix | so any ideas why is that? (gibraltar) | 21:22 |
| pwr22 | They first had symptoms on the 2nd of August and they've been symptom free for more than a week now | 21:22 |
| nixonix | inside? low risk, not zero | 21:24 |
| nixonix | gibraltar apparently claimed early winter that they have vaccinated 97 or 98% of eglible. somebody in twitter claims he's from gibraltar, and said actually around 80% took it. unconfirmed information, he also claims most in hospital are vaccinated (said everybody know whats happening when population is 30k) | 21:34 |
| nixonix | eligibled. how do you pronounce that? | 21:35 |
| nixonix | i think i know. but still hate that word | 21:35 |
| nixonix | and they have had lots of cases during the last couple months | 21:37 |
| nixonix | yeah workers not citizens prob those extra doses used | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kuwait: +167 cases (now 408245), +1 deaths (now 2404), +9878 tests (now 3.7 million) since a day ago — Mali: +8 cases (now 14757), +1495 tests (now 371233) since 21 hours ago | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: R to @EricTopol: To reiterate, prior to Delta mRNA vaccines had well over 90% effectiveness vs infections, approaching the unexpected goal of achieving mucosal/sterilization immunity.With Delta, that has dropped to ~50% in many recent studies → https://is.gd/bNKYzR | 21:42 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0822/1242173-world-coronavirus-covid/ | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.rte.ie: NZ questions Covid-19 approach as Delta outbreak grows | 21:47 |
| LjL | China is questioning it too, apparently, or at least, the "Chinese Dr Fauci" (described as such by some article) questioned the zero-covid approach but coincidentally he got investigated | 21:48 |
| LjL | https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3145119/university-review-plagiarism-claims-against-chinas-dr-fauci | 21:48 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/astrazeneca-antibody-cocktail-slashes-risk-symptomatic-covid-19-setting-up-regulatory | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.fiercebiotech.com: AstraZeneca antibody cocktail slashes risk of symptomatic COVID-19, setting up regulatory filings and a lifeline for the immunosuppressed | FierceBiotech | 21:51 |
| nixonix | in singapore their govt said awhile back something like "we need to learn to live with the virus". very low cases i think | 21:52 |
| specing | I'm itching to see what happens in my country when tests become unfree | 21:53 |
| specing | on monday | 21:53 |
| specing | suddenly no cases | 21:53 |
| nixonix | type of tests for access to bars and events, or also something like for exposed? | 21:55 |
| nixonix | IHME thinks florida has peaked 3 weeks ago (for real infections): | 21:59 |
| nixonix | https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/florida?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources | 21:59 |
| nixonix | china has huge population, mostly on just 20% of the area or something if i recall, but they can put a city of 11M in lockdown and just test everybody, and keep them locked for 2-3 weeks | 22:02 |
| nixonix | for aus and nz with their zero covid strategy, if they suddenly let it go before everybody are vaccinated when that line is already nearing (and pile of evidence growing for permanent damage hard to diagnose possibly common), i dont know what to think | 22:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malawi: +72 cases (now 59471), +15 deaths (now 2074), +523 tests (now 376943) since 23 hours ago | 22:05 |
| nixonix | then even after the vaccinations, when part of population doesnt want it, and kids left without probably, they are facing lots of cases fast if they dont restrict it | 22:05 |
| nixonix | on top of that, reinfections for those vaccinated early. if they do that before 3rd doses | 22:07 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210816/Analysis-of-landmark-vitamin-C-study-challenges-the-WHOs-recommended-daily-amounts.aspx | 22:10 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.news-medical.net: Analysis of landmark vitamin C study challenges the WHO's recommended daily amounts | 22:10 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1428147175708663817 | 22:12 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): "youve got it. now consider this problem now that we know delta is at least twice as infectious" | El Pajarito de NoGAFAM | 22:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol: @EricTopol: The mRNA vaccine story was by no means fast. Both it and lipid nanoparticles for its delivery took several decadeshttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41578-021-00358-0?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=organic&utm_campaign=NGMT_USG_JC01_GL_NRJournals → https://is.gd/NBeVRd | 22:14 |
| nixonix | yeah, i read about that. in the 90s they used plain mrna as a vaccine. while it doesnt last long, apparently some of it gets inside cells fast enough | 22:20 |
| nixonix | actually i read that happened in late 80s. that picture doesnt show that | 22:22 |
| archpc | Update: I’m being drove to the nearest hospital that has room | 22:28 |
| nixonix | sars2 infection? | 22:34 |
| archpc | hell yea | 22:35 |
| nixonix | gl, treatments have improved, heparin, new monoclonal antibodies, and lots of stuff that is understood better now | 22:37 |
| archpc | I had it once before, hopefully this time is easier | 22:38 |
| LjL | yikes :( | 22:38 |
| LjL | archpc, wait you had it before AND you were vaccinated? | 22:39 |
| archpc | yep | 22:39 |
| dTal | jesus | 22:40 |
| LjL | archpc, did you go to hospital the first time? | 22:40 |
| dTal | do you know where you caught it | 22:40 |
| archpc | yeah from my roommate, guaranteed | 22:41 |
| dTal | is your roommate symptomatic? crikey, that must be a hell of a viral load to break through your immunity | 22:41 |
| LjL | archpc, also do you have a pulse oximeter or do you otherwise know if your saturation is decent | 22:41 |
| archpc | Yeah, for her and was like a shitty flu | 22:42 |
| archpc | And she already feels better | 22:42 |
| LjL | dTal, they have chronic asthma, but also, are 25 | 22:42 |
| archpc | doesn’t mean she isn’t sick though | 22:42 |
| nixonix | A review of more than 9,000 U.S. patients with severe COVID-19 infection showed less than 1% contracted the illness again, with an average reinfection time of 3.5 months after an initial positive test | 22:42 |
| dTal | do you literally share a room? | 22:42 |
| archpc | Unfortunately we share a small mobile home | 22:43 |
| nixonix | severity comparisons dont work well, if its another variant (yet to confirm the actual severity of delta vs uk varaint) | 22:43 |
| dTal | ouch. Yeah that'll do it | 22:43 |
| LjL | nixonix, was that review before or after Delta was rampant? | 22:43 |
| archpc | The hospital at the nearest big town has no beds :| | 22:44 |
| dTal | I don't think any amount of immunity will protect you from stewing in a small confined area with a symptomatic case for days | 22:44 |
| nixonix | those were all for ancient variants | 22:44 |
| nixonix | pre uk | 22:44 |
| nixonix | i just wondered that short average time | 22:44 |
| LjL | dTal, except it mostly will if it's immunity to measles, and you're stewing with measles, and that's despite measles being infectious as fuck | 22:45 |
| LjL | nixonix, maybe it's mostly people who just didn't initially develop much immunity at all | 22:45 |
| LjL | archpc, around here we have an app to look at how many free beds are in each ER, maybe there is something like that? | 22:45 |
| nixonix | yeah, probably, since it was rare for those that had had severe symptoms | 22:45 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/dremilyportermd/status/1429222295919337477 | 22:48 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Emily Porter, M.D. (@dremilyportermd): "Here we go, Texas. There is an ER doc from Houston crowdsourcing on a physician Facebook group of 50K doctors. Patient is mid-40s, sick w/ something w/ high [...] | 22:48 |
| archpc | We’re just calling every hospital around us right now | 22:49 |
| lastshell | good luck archpc | 22:54 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2021/08/19/if-north-texas-runs-out-of-icu-hospital-beds-doctors-can-consider-a-patients-vaccination-status/ | 22:55 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.dallasnews.com: North Texas doctor’s group retreats on policy saying vaccination status to be part of care decisions | 22:55 |
| LjL | nixonix, there shouldn't be any need to triage patients at this point | 22:57 |
| LjL | let's stop using anti-vaxxers as an excuse | 22:57 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/lmcgaughy/status/1428438745569763333 discussion before retreating | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Lauren McGaughy 🌟 (@lmcgaughy): "Exclusive: @DaveLieber reports that Dallas hospitals will soon be allowed to take vaccination status into account, along with other triage factors, to see who gets an [...] | 22:58 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/itosettiMD_MBA/status/1429109379618459651 | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Irene Tosetti (@itosettiMD_MBA): "ECMO is a very limited resource. Can't afford to have it monopolized for long." | El Pajarito de NoGAFAM | 23:03 |
| LjL | there should not be enough patients to saturate ICU and ECMO machines | 23:05 |
| LjL | if we're deciding to stop treating the unvaccinated | 23:05 |
| LjL | then let's also stop treating politicians | 23:05 |
| LjL | they brought us here | 23:05 |
| LjL | fuck | 23:05 |
| nixonix | there are some level of triaging always, and more the tighter the resources are | 23:07 |
| nixonix | more infections means more triaging. even in switzerland | 23:08 |
| nixonix | we have only 300 physical intensive care sites in finland. for 225 there is personnel. for average use. but during the spring 2020 they noticed, when covid patients used 15-20% of those 225, they needed to postpone operations | 23:10 |
| nixonix | covid patients take a lot more personnel, and the periods are long, not day or two like after most operations. i have tweets and an article where an icu doctor describes those problems | 23:11 |
| de-facto | as i always said: incidence is to be brought down by *NPIs* | 23:12 |
| de-facto | every country that tried otherwise sooner or later runs into problems with saturating resources | 23:12 |
| nixonix | .title https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ylilaakarin-pysayttava-laskelma-nain-koronapotilaat-ylikuormittavat-tehohoidon/ | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From translate.google.com: Google Translate | 23:13 |
| de-facto | and that is the reason we need time derivative of the *incidence* as out primary metric: at all costs enforce R<1 | 23:17 |
| nixonix | no-vaxers should write care testament and keep it hanging in their neck. that says no hospital covid treatment for me | 23:18 |
| nixonix | care will is the term, possibly | 23:19 |
| de-facto | all this new nonsense with new yet-to-be-defined metrics while already trashing incidence metrics for evaluating current containment status | 23:19 |
| archpc | Well I’m back home for now, the areas for covid patients around us are full | 23:20 |
| de-facto | hey archpc how are you there? | 23:20 |
| archpc | Worse than last night | 23:20 |
| LjL | archpc, get a pulse oximeter, please, if you can show you have low saturation, you may have better chances to be admitted | 23:21 |
| de-facto | sorry to hear that | 23:21 |
| LjL | (and a thermometer) | 23:21 |
| de-facto | yeah you definitely need that pulse oximeter, cant you sent a friend to a pharmacy or such and deposit it in front of your door? | 23:21 |
| nixonix | good idea. couple different brands even better | 23:22 |
| nixonix | you guys should really learn some finnish. there is some interesting twitter discussion | 23:27 |
| LjL | nixonix, men finnska är inte väldigt lätt | 23:30 |
| LjL | also twitter has a translate button anyway :P | 23:30 |
| archpc | I’ll see if I can have someone bring me one | 23:31 |
| archpc | Sorry for like, live blogging my situation | 23:34 |
| LjL | no worries archpc | 23:35 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.newyorker.com/science/medical-dispatch/have-you-already-had-a-breakthrough-covid-infection | 23:39 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.newyorker.com: Have You Already Had a Breakthrough COVID Infection? | The New Yorker | 23:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 2 new COVID-19 outbreaks in Ottawa as 1st-dose vaccinations hit 85% → https://is.gd/DX2iLb | 23:39 |
| nixonix | according to the Provincetown town manager, the vaccination rate among town citizens may have been as high as ninety-five per cent | 23:47 |
| nixonix | Perhaps the most important fact about the Provincetown outbreak is that the vaccines worked marvellously when it came to the most concerning consequences of infection. In recent weeks, the number of cases linked to the outbreak has climbed to more than a thousand. Still, there have been just seven hospitalizations and no deaths | 23:47 |
| nixonix | As German Lopez has pointed out, at Vox, a similar cluster of cases before the vaccines might have led to around ninety hospitalizations and nine deaths. (The C.D.C. estimates that, across the nation, vaccinated people remain twenty-five times less likely to be hospitalized or die of COVID-19.) | 23:48 |
| nixonix | Protection against severe disease, however, doesn’t fall to fifty per cent until antibodies wane to just three per cent of post-infection levels | 23:49 |
| nixonix | previous infection and one vaccine dose is the best protection you can get currently | 23:49 |
| nixonix | Studies, unhelpfully, have placed the risk of developing long COVID at somewhere between one and eighty-seven per cent. | 23:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Israel Finds COVID-19 Vaccine Booster Significantly Lowers Infection Risk → https://is.gd/7B8KKf | 23:50 |
| nixonix | the line without capitals was mine, others were quotes from the link above | 23:51 |
| dTal | so this is kind of weird | 23:54 |
| dTal | and gross, sensitive stomachs look away | 23:54 |
| dTal | I've had something like IBS-D for several months now | 23:55 |
| dTal | since spring, perhaps | 23:55 |
| LjL | go on | 23:55 |
| LjL | by which i mean... go... on... | 23:55 |
| LjL | *cough* | 23:56 |
| dTal | it cleared up by itself pretty much instantly after my second jab | 23:56 |
| dTal | well, not being too hasty, but it's been a week and holy shit | 23:56 |
| dTal | as it were | 23:56 |
| LjL | hmm | 23:56 |
| LjL | should i bring up my favorite study? | 23:56 |
| dTal | if you think it's relevant | 23:56 |
| LjL | %links intestine | 23:57 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03207-w (Evolution of antibody immunity to SARS-CoV-2) finds that in a cohort of 87 patients 10% of which needed hospital care, 44% reported long-term symptoms after 6 months, and it also suggests that there may still be replicating virus in the intestine (gut) of about half of infected individuals at least 90 days after infection [... want %more?] | 23:57 |
| LjL | they find signs that the virus keeps reproducing in the gut | 23:57 |
| LjL | after the acute phase has ended | 23:57 |
| dTal | ...are you saying I've had butt-covid this entire time | 23:57 |
| nixonix | there was some table on those symptoms that were reduced by a vaccine dose. i wonder what the title was to find it... | 23:58 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.timesofisrael.com/hospitals-threaten-to-turn-away-covid-patients-monday-allege-official-neglect/ | 23:58 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.timesofisrael.com: 7 hospitals threaten to turn away COVID patients Monday, allege official neglect | The Times of Israel | 23:58 |
| LjL | dTal, i'm saying it's a piece of the puzzle! | 23:58 |
| dTal | I was imagining something more like an auto-immune thing that got jolted out of its fibrillation by the shock of the jab | 23:58 |
| dTal | I really highly doubt I had butt-covid | 23:59 |
| LjL | dTal, i don't suppose you had any sort of vague illness right before the thing started? | 23:59 |
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