| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: Recovery of Deleted Deep Sequencing Data Sheds More Light on the Early Wuhan SARS-CoV-2 Epidemic: Type Journal Article Author Jesse D Bloom URL https://doi.org/10.1093/molbev/msab246 Volume 38 Issue 12 Pages 5211-5224 Publication Molecular Biology and Evolution ISSN 1537-1719 Date [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/F4PUKX4V | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| Brainstorm | Updates for Brazil: +86789 cases since 22 hours ago — Malaysia: +3198 cases, +15 deaths since a day ago — Bahrain: +2289 cases, +26111 tests (8.8% positive) since a day ago — Rwanda: +763 cases, +4 deaths, +19984 tests (3.8% positive) since a day ago | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Appointments for first dose jump after Quebec announces 'anti-vax tax' → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2jtdl/appointments_for_first_dose_jump_after_quebec/ | 00:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron less severe than Delta but still poses danger for unvaccinated: WHO → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2k6g3/omicron_less_severe_than_delta_but_still_poses/ | 00:43 |
| LjL | uhm, Brainstorm clearly doesn't flood the channel with enough news, so i'm going to borrow some from ##science | 00:43 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan> [NPR - Science] Why omicron may cause less harm — and what it means for the future of the pandemic https://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072548432/why-omicron-may-cause-less-harm-and-what-it-means-for-the-future-of-the-pandemic 2022-01-12T16:41:56 | 00:43 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan> [NPR - Science] Coronavirus FAQ: Why are some folks hacking home COVID tests by swabbing their throat? https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/12/1071362475/coronavirus-faq-why-are-some-folks-hacking-home-covid-tests-by-swabbing-their-th 2022-01-12T17:32:43 | 00:44 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan> [Ars Technica - Science] CDC to update advice on best masks—but just wants you to wear one, any of them https://arstechnica.com/?p=1825547 2022-01-12T22:25:58 | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: Calling Omicron ‘Mild’ Is Wishful Thinking: For weeks, the watchword on Omicron in much of America has been some form of phew. A flurry of reports has encouraged a relatively rosy view of the variant, compared with some of its predecessors. Omicron appears [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/01/omicron-mild-severity-immunity/621238/ | 00:52 |
| xx | everyone getting infected with omicron -> 99.9999% probability of a new variant emerging | 01:03 |
| de-facto | in the Delta wave, would that architecture of argument not apply? | 01:04 |
| de-facto | or Alpha, or D614G, or ... | 01:05 |
| de-facto | its always the same | 01:05 |
| de-facto | at some point in time there is a threshold of immunity generated along the primary transmission paths inside a social network of contacts with a specific variant, hence only a chance of conditions may cause another wave | 01:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +131082 cases, +75 deaths, +198160 tests (66.1% positive) since a day ago — Colombia: +29857 cases, +69 deaths, +131812 tests (22.7% positive) since a day ago — Tunisia: +6323 cases, +24 deaths, +44195 tests (14.3% positive) since a day ago — Benin: +514 cases, +1 deaths since 7 days ago | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canadian university study shows CBD may offer some protection against COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2lfw5/canadian_university_study_shows_cbd_may_offer/ | 01:39 |
| sdfgsdfg | lol enough with the covid marijuana spam :D | 01:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | the entire reddit platform lost it's mind | 01:53 |
| xx | but, the solution to covid is weed, science proves it! | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Martinique: +7743 cases, +7 deaths since 4 days ago — Slovakia: +3895 cases since 13 hours ago — Canada: +31862 cases since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +6 deaths since 11 hours ago | 02:07 |
| xx | oh we're at 3M/day now | 02:09 |
| xx | didn't even notice that | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘Most people are going to get covid’: A momentous warning at a Senate hearing → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2m4fl/most_people_are_going_to_get_covid_a_momentous/ | 02:17 |
| xx | "Some of you may die, and that's what we decided to accept" | 02:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Michigan audit to reveal 'nearly 30%' more COVID deaths tied to long-term care facilities → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2mktp/michigan_audit_to_reveal_nearly_30_more_covid/ | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘Code red’: Melbourne businesses say Omicron wave more damaging than lockdown → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2mqke/code_red_melbourne_businesses_say_omicron_wave/ | 02:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Development and Application of a Polydimethylsiloxane-Based Passive Air Sampler to Assess Personal Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s2mxig/development_and_application_of_a/ | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Norway: +11825 cases, +22 deaths since a day ago — Uruguay: +9823 cases, +3 deaths, +33224 tests (29.6% positive) since a day ago — Paraguay: +4017 cases, +8 deaths, +13386 tests (30.0% positive) since a day ago — Guyana: +1000 cases, +2 deaths, +4629 tests (21.6% positive) since a day ago | 03:04 |
| xx | tomorrow I can finally end my quarantine | 03:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: N95 masks are your best mask option - here's where to buy them online → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2n2vu/n95_masks_are_your_best_mask_option_heres_where/ | 03:04 |
| * xx sighs | 03:04 | |
| xx | no, N95 are not the *best* mask option | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid: USA Hospitalizations Break Record as Omicron Surges → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2nder/covid_usa_hospitalizations_break_record_as/ | 03:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID's impact is reducing pool of organ donors → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2nhqa/covids_impact_is_reducing_pool_of_organ_donors/ | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Panama: +6513 cases, +7 deaths, +23611 tests (27.6% positive) since 23 hours ago — Curacao: +1106 cases, +2 deaths, +3573 tests (31.0% positive) since a day ago — Singapore: +882 cases, +1 deaths since a day ago — Trinidad and Tobago: +577 cases, +17 deaths, +3291 tests (17.5% positive) since a day ago | 04:00 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Europe’s drug regulator warns excessive COVID boosters could lead to ‘problems with immune response,’ joining WHO in pushback → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2izh4/europes_drug_regulator_warns_excessive_covid/ | 04:00 |
| LjL | "And even if multiple boosters do prove to be necessary, they would need to be spaced out in the style of annual flu jabs, rather than delivered every several months." | 04:01 |
| LjL | jesus christ, some sanity | 04:01 |
| LjL | "While use of additional boosters can be part of contingency plans, repeated vaccinations within short intervals would not represent a sustainable long-term strategy," | 04:01 |
| lastshell1 | but besides vaccination so far no other way to tackle this ? | 04:05 |
| Raf[m] | I think we need better vaccines | 04:06 |
| Raf[m] | The efficacy of vaccines now, especially the mRNA drops over time. They're also not good at preventing transmission | 04:06 |
| Raf[m] | I heard something about them generating IgG antibodies as opposed to IgA | 04:07 |
| lastshell1 | sorry my ignorance can you lower down IgG IgA ? | 04:09 |
| xx | lastshell1: we can tackle it by preventing infection instead | 04:11 |
| lastshell1 | ty xx | 04:11 |
| Raf[m] | IgA antibodies are in the mucosal membranes like inside your nose. IgG are in the blood and extracellular matrix (in between cells) | 04:11 |
| Raf[m] | In order to stop transmission it's believed you need more potent IgA | 04:12 |
| Raf[m] | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8208542/ | 04:12 |
| LjL | Raf[m], hence intranasal vaccines | 04:13 |
| LjL | if only they were like, funded and stuff | 04:13 |
| Raf[m] | IgA’s anatomical distribution at mucosal surfaces exposed to infectious agents makes it uniquely positioned to intervene in transmission. | 04:13 |
| Raf[m] | Oh that would be cool! | 04:13 |
| xx | I'm slowly getting convinced that there's little interest in actually stopping this pandemic | 04:14 |
| Raf[m] | Few refs I found show the vaccines do increase IgA, I just think it's not quite enough to slow the spread (as evidenced in the real world) | 04:14 |
| xx | so many people have gotten so much richer during it, so why stop that increase in profit | 04:14 |
| Raf[m] | I don't think the intention is so nefarious | 04:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Assessing the effect of beard hair lengths on face masks used as personal protective equipment during the COVID-19 pandemic → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s2omei/assessing_the_effect_of_beard_hair_lengths_on/ | 04:21 |
| xx | uh, we've known all that since 1st world war trenches | 04:27 |
| xx | breaking news, water is wet | 04:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Rolls-Royce CEO Torsten Müller-Otvös says COVID-19 deaths helped spur record sales for the luxury carmaker - "Quite a lot of people witnessed people in their community dying from Covid, that makes them think life can be short, and you'd [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2ovcw/rollsroyce_ceo_torsten_müllerotvös_says_covid19/ | 04:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Study Finds Cannabis Compounds Prevent Infection By Covid-19 Virus → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2oybo/study_finds_cannabis_compounds_prevent_infection/ | 04:40 |
| LjL | xx, you may not have noticed but they've had to rush to make studies on some things that were obvious in a common-sense way but maybe never "studied" :P | 04:41 |
| LjL | a LOT of them | 04:41 |
| xx | yeah, the studies about *washing hands* really shocked me | 04:42 |
| xx | I thought soap was just for decoration | 04:42 |
| xx | silly old me | 04:42 |
| Dredd | My dad might have had a stroke ☹️ | 04:43 |
| xx | strokes suck | 04:43 |
| Dredd | Waiting for an ambulance now | 04:43 |
| xx | do they still recommend aspirin when stroke is suspected these days? | 04:45 |
| Dredd | They phoned the non emergency line first and they haven't sent anyone 9 hours! | 04:45 |
| gry | but you said about it two mins ago | 04:49 |
| Dredd | I convinced them to call the emergency one, they did an assessment and an ambulance is there now | 04:51 |
| Dredd | After ~20 mins | 04:51 |
| Dredd | 15-20 | 04:51 |
| xx | that sounds horrible | 04:51 |
| Dredd | I'm super annoyed the 111 (non-emergency) people didn't sort a proper assessment | 04:51 |
| xx | 111 is UK right? | 04:51 |
| Dredd | yeah | 04:52 |
| Dredd | 999 is emergency | 04:52 |
| Dredd | As far as I understand it prompt treatment is very important for this | 04:52 |
| xx | yeah I'm not a fan that they advertise the non-emergency number, because it causes UK people to call it "because they don't want to be a bother" | 04:52 |
| xx | and a suspected stroke is always an emergency | 04:52 |
| Dredd | My dad's doesn't really know what's going on (not normal) and can't communicate / understand people properly | 04:53 |
| Dredd | But is convinced he can't hear because his ears are blocked (he is a medical professional and I just fear this is him making sense of inability to hear) | 04:53 |
| xx | well that's clearly an emergency, irrelevant of age or anything else | 04:53 |
| Dredd | They seem to have assumed it is just hearing issues and not a probably stroke I guess | 04:54 |
| Dredd | The 111 people | 04:54 |
| xx | even if it wasn't a stroke (passed the basic stroke test), "not knowing what's going on" is always an emergency | 04:54 |
| Dredd | Yeah | 04:55 |
| LjL-Matrix | Dredd: 9 hours ago? | 04:55 |
| Dredd | I agree, super pissed off | 04:55 |
| xx | I've only ever heard bad things about UK healthcare | 04:55 |
| Dredd | LjL: yes, fucking 111 | 04:55 |
| Dredd | I woke up in the night (it's 4am now), saw a message from my step-mum and got on the phone and after trying to speak to my dad told them to phone 999 | 04:56 |
| LjL-Matrix | Dredd: i don't know what to say, but my aunt had something that looks like a suspected stroke the other day, she's in hospital now, she had all sorts of tests | 04:56 |
| Dredd | xx: it's usually better than this - though I don't have anything good to say about 111 | 04:56 |
| Dredd | I knew the stroke guidance / have more medical understanding than my step-mum so once I got involved I saw something had not gone right | 04:57 |
| xx | 111 are not medical professionals, because if they were, then they'd be working at 999 | 04:57 |
| Dredd | LjL: Oh now, how is she? | 04:57 |
| Dredd | xx: I had complications after a surgery, 111 sent an ambulance eventually and by the time it arrived we had got to the hospital ourselves | 04:57 |
| Dredd | and had been there for 2-4 hours | 04:57 |
| LjL-Matrix | Dredd: she's fine as far as I can tell based on the fact she whatsapps with my mom... I'm just not clear on what exactly they think happened, because they certainly thought something did. But I guess she's not good at understanding doctors or explaining things back again to us | 04:57 |
| Dredd | Glad she's okay - I hope my dad will be | 04:58 |
| Dredd | Or I will rage so hard | 04:58 |
| LjL-Matrix | Dredd: AFAIK she had a head CAT scan, and a ton of heart tests, and today a head MRI (it took a while because they had to take her to a different hospital as no free MRI where she was) | 04:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Delhi reports 27,561 New Cases up 29% D-o-D, positivity rate at 26% highest in last seven months. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2pfbv/delhi_reports_27561_new_cases_up_29_dod/ | 04:59 |
| LjL-Matrix | Dredd: I certainly hope so too, but if he's not fully coherent or can't hear, it definitely sounds like a worse situation, at least in the short term | 04:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Australia: +153850 cases, +53 deaths, +226729 tests (64.5% positive) since 22 hours ago — Mexico: +44187 cases, +190 deaths, +81397 tests (54.3% positive) since a day ago — Vietnam: +28291 cases, +177 deaths since a day ago — Bolivia: +14063 cases, +47 deaths since 22 hours ago | 05:02 |
| Dredd | https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/stroke/ | 05:04 |
| Dredd | The guidelines are very clear | 05:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 13 Hospitals Halting Services Due to Staffing Shortages → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2pjrv/13_hospitals_halting_services_due_to_staffing/ | 05:08 |
| xx | Dredd: surprising it doesn't mention aspirin at all | 05:13 |
| xx | oh it does, but on a different page | 05:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Experts warn of violence as alarming demonstration ushers in new era of anti-vaccine fervour → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2pv6h/experts_warn_of_violence_as_alarming/ | 05:17 |
| LjL | Dredd, xx: they gave my aunt aspirin, I do know that much. and other things, but i heard they were giving her aspirin early on | 05:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Pfizer’s Covid-19 antiviral pill was hailed as a game-changer, but supplies are scarce → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2q1t0/pfizers_covid19_antiviral_pill_was_hailed_as_a/ | 05:27 |
| xx | well, aspirin is to be used at home before the ambulance can arrive, and it's a bet that it is ischemic and not hemmorhagic. It will work if chewed, but if medical personell are around then they'll use other stuff | 05:34 |
| xx | warfarin? heparin? | 05:34 |
| xx | whatever the other cool stuff is | 05:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Calling Omicron ‘Mild’ Is Wishful Thinking → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2q3xw/calling_omicron_mild_is_wishful_thinking/ | 05:36 |
| Dredd | Dad's in an ambulance, didn't understand what was going on and wouldn't leave so basically had to be forced into it | 05:52 |
| Dredd | ☹️ | 05:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Direct Comparison of SARS Co-V-2 Nasal RT- PCR and Rapid Antigen Test (BinaxNOW™) at a Community Testing Site During an Omicron Surge → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s2qie9/direct_comparison_of_sars_cov2_nasal_rt_pcr_and/ | 05:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron has a 91% lower chance of death than delta variant of COVID-19: study → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2qtiy/omicron_has_a_91_lower_chance_of_death_than_delta/ | 06:04 |
| gry | o.o | 06:05 |
| mwsd82 | Oo | 06:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Pakistan: +3019 cases, +5 deaths, +49270 tests (6.1% positive) since a day ago — Mongolia: +2279 cases, +3 deaths since a day ago | 06:11 |
| Tuvix | For context, going by US nation-wide rates of death as Omicron just begins to show a rise in COVID fatalities, we're just days away from having the same per-day death rate as during the peak of Delta. | 06:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Novak Djokovic faces fine or prison for breaking isolation while Covid positive → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2qy0v/novak_djokovic_faces_fine_or_prison_for_breaking/ | 06:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Yes, there really were only two COVID deaths in mainland China in 2021. Here’s how they did it. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2r2vh/yes_there_really_were_only_two_covid_deaths_in/ | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Portugal Authorities Fine Over 2,200 Travellers for Failing to Present COVID-19 Test Result - SchengenVisaInfo.com → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2refw/portugal_authorities_fine_over_2200_travellers/ | 06:32 |
| Dredd | Tuvix: the growth rate likely can't be sustainable though since US population is only so large right? | 06:36 |
| Tuvix | Dredd: And given we also dont' know what the peak actually will be, I don't really see how we can draw many useful conclusions on death since we're literally in the middle of the sharpest rise in death rates since the beginning of the Delta surge, and it's currently unclear how long that rate will be sustained. | 06:38 |
| Dredd | Yeah, no clue when it will stop, just figure it can't be that far out due to the 1.5M cases a day | 06:39 |
| Tuvix | Here's the nation-wide CDC data, and the orange line is the death rate. You might need to drag the timescale to start closer to the delta uptick if you're trying to compare: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases_7daydeathsper100k | 06:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Care services struggle with Omicron staff-sickness spike: The National Care Forum says sickness rates due to Omicron are compounding existing staff shortages. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59969785 | 06:42 |
| Tuvix | There are ~333M residents, so 1.5M/day (the average isn't there but considering case underreporting as compared to Delta, that may not be so far off, perhaps in the 2-3M daily now.) But if the trend of deaths lagging cases continues, and we haven't even seen the peak of cases and may not until 2-3 weeks, we could be looking at rising daily death totals for another 3 to 6 weeks. That could be quite bad, | 06:42 |
| Tuvix | and the CDC just warned the death toll over the next 4 weeks may be in the 65k range. | 06:42 |
| Tuvix | So sure, it's not as bad *proportinally* but it's still a pretty bad situation considering the US never relly recovered from Delta. | 06:43 |
| Tuvix | In July we had as low as about 0.5 7-day cases/100k, but we didn't meaningfully get below 2.25/100k after a lackluster delta recovery, and now it's on the upswing from Omicron again. | 06:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Peru: +27772 cases, +36 deaths, +130705 tests (21.2% positive) since 23 hours ago — Ecuador: +9341 cases, +409 deaths since a day ago — Venezuela: +1267 cases, +4 deaths since 23 hours ago — Kyrgyzstan: +742 cases, +3 deaths since a day ago | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron may be headed for a rapid drop in Britain, US → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2s6k6/omicron_may_be_headed_for_a_rapid_drop_in_britain/ | 07:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: People in China forced to live in cramped metal boxes under draconian zero Covid policy → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2sa6z/people_in_china_forced_to_live_in_cramped_metal/ | 07:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): White House to Give Schools 10 Million Free COVID Tests Every Month → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 08:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +2283 cases, +1 deaths since a day ago — Belgium: +39321 cases, +27 deaths, +123933 tests (31.7% positive) since a day ago — Uzbekistan: +714 cases, +3 deaths since a day ago | 08:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Man’s penis shrinks after Covid diagnosis → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2tdqf/mans_penis_shrinks_after_covid_diagnosis/ | 08:26 |
| sdfgsdfg | what | 08:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | covid shrinks penis ? | 08:29 |
| Tuvix | That source is utterly unreliable. | 08:32 |
| sdfgsdfg | but there was this discovery as well | 08:33 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-infections-appear-no-less-severe-than-delta-covid-19-lowers-sperm-count-2021-12-20/ | 08:33 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 08:33 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From www.reuters.com: Omicron infections appear no less severe than Delta; COVID-19 lowers sperm count, motility | Reuters | 08:33 |
| Tuvix | I'd seen that summary, though haven't looked at the full paper. It remains unclear if this is a side effect for a dozen or so weeks, or if there's a possible longer impact in some cases. | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: COVID-19 vaccine incentive program pays off: The incentive study guaranteed a $25 card to adults who either received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine or drove someone to providers participating in the pilot program. → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/s2txly/covid19_vaccine_incentive_program_pays_off_the/ | 08:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +5326 cases, +48 deaths, +55474 tests (9.6% positive) since a day ago — Armenia: +298 cases, +4 deaths, +5763 tests (5.2% positive) since 23 hours ago | 09:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR Science: The Associated Press: China is doubling down on its 'zero-tolerance' COVID policy ahead of the Olympics → https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072676232/china-is-doubling-down-on-its-zero-tolerance-covid-policy-ahead-of-the-olympics | 09:24 |
| xx | would be cool if we had zero tolerance in the west as well | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Hackers spreading powerful malware via Omicron news emails in at least 12 countries → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2uf10/hackers_spreading_powerful_malware_via_omicron/ | 09:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: PIP: Opinion/decision on a Paediatric investigation plan (PIP): Chikungunya Virus Virus-Like Particle Vaccine / aluminum hydroxide, decision type: , therapeutic area: , PIP number: P/0159/2021 → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/paediatric-investigation-plans/emea-002656-pip01-19 | 09:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +86228 cases since 23 hours ago — Kazakhstan: +9183 cases since a day ago — San Marino: +491 cases since 2 days ago — China: +202 cases since a day ago | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists believed COVID leaked from Wuhan lab but feared further discussion would be harmful: emails → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2vbga/scientists_believed_covid_leaked_from_wuhan_lab/ | 10:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: A cascade of Omicron-driven shortages puts U.S. hospitals in a bind: Hospitals were already short-staffed, the result of pandemic trauma, burnout, and the Great Resignation; now, with alarming numbers of those who remain calling in sick with Covid, there’s a whole… → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/13/cascade-omicron-driven-shortages-hospitals/ | 10:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Cannabidiol Inhibits SARS-CoV-2 Replication and Promotes the Host Innate Immune Response → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2vre8/cannabidiol_inhibits_sarscov2_replication_and/ | 10:59 |
| sdfgsdfg | weed also inhibits the replication of covid ? | 11:02 |
| sdfgsdfg | on top of the prevention findings ? | 11:02 |
| sdfgsdfg | damn man | 11:02 |
| sdfgsdfg | where's this going ? virus was man-made as a rite of passage into drugs | 11:02 |
| sdfgsdfg | or something ? lol | 11:02 |
| sdfgsdfg | sorry it says cannibidiol, that's CBD oil without the THC I think | 11:03 |
| sdfgsdfg | no not necessarily, cannabidiol is not referring to CBD oil right ? | 11:04 |
| sdfgsdfg | hmmmm | 11:04 |
| * sdfgsdfg is confused | 11:04 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tennessee, United States: +77519 cases, +169 deaths since 7 days ago — England, United Kingdom: +116173 cases, +361 deaths since a day ago — New South Wales, Australia: +92264 cases, +22 deaths since a day ago — Maharashtra, India: +81147 cases, +54 deaths since 2 days ago | 11:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Borders: Spain denies it’s probing Novak Djokovic for entering without COVID vaccine → https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-investigating-novak-djokovic-entry-tennis-coronavirus-vaccines/ | 11:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | yeah they are a south european country they don't check for shit - no surprise there | 11:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | except for italy, they still have the roman spirit | 11:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Man charged with trying to bribe nurse into recording that he had received second vaccine jab → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2w1lc/man_charged_with_trying_to_bribe_nurse_into/ | 11:28 |
| sdfgsdfg | thought of both bribing and the fake plastic arm trick before they happened, universe works in mysterious ways | 11:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Jonathan Van-Tam to step down as England’s deputy chief medical officer: Departure of senior adviser comes as a blow to Boris Johnson, who is under pressure for attending a No. 10 garden party during lockdown. → https://www.politico.eu/article/van-tam-to-step-down-as-deputy-chief-medical-officer/ | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Borders: France reopens its borders for people coming from the UK → https://www.politico.eu/article/france-cancels-mandatory-self-isolation-for-travelers-arriving-from-the-u-k/ | 11:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +16874 cases, +481 deaths, +96833 tests (17.4% positive) since 23 hours ago — Ukraine: +10229 cases, +208 deaths since 23 hours ago — Slovenia: +6867 cases, +7 deaths, +13356 tests (51.4% positive) since 23 hours ago — Sint Maarten: +515 cases since 21 hours ago | 12:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan says NO to vaccine mandates, passports, and discrimination against unvaxxed. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s2wvjx/japan_says_no_to_vaccine_mandates_passports_and/ | 12:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on country response measures to COVID-19: This downloadable data file contains information on non-pharmaceutical interventions (or response measures) that countries in the EU/EEA have reported to date. → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/download-data-response-measures-covid-19 | 12:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: ECDC: Data for the maps in support of the Council Recommendation on a coordinated approach to the restriction of free movement in response to the COVID-19 pandemic in the EU/EEA → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/indicators-maps-support-council-recommendation | 12:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saudi Arabia: +5499 cases, +2 deaths since a day ago — Nepal: +2922 cases, +1 deaths, +10498 tests (27.8% positive) since 22 hours ago — UAE: +2683 cases, +1 deaths, +307767 tests (0.9% positive) since 22 hours ago — Latvia: +2566 cases, +10 deaths, +16854 tests (15.2% positive) since 22 hours ago | 13:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: China's Tianjin orders more testing on 14 million after omicron reaches city → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2y4oq/chinas_tianjin_orders_more_testing_on_14_million/ | 13:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Jonathan Van-Tam to leave role as deputy chief medical officer: The professor's colourful analogies helped explain coronavirus during Downing Street news briefings. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59979504 | 13:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Debunking the idea viruses evolve to become less virulent → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2yhiw/debunking_the_idea_viruses_evolve_to_become_less/ | 13:52 |
| de-facto | Spain had one of the strictest lockdowns (with military controlling) and also one of the best vaccination rates in EU | 13:53 |
| gry | going to fly to spain tomorrow eh? | 13:54 |
| de-facto | so "yeah they are a south european country they don't check for shit - no surprise there" is a myth | 13:54 |
| de-facto | of course i would not fly there, i stay in Germany, traveling is THE biggest problem causing this pandemic | 13:56 |
| gry | wasnt there a study that said traveling doesnt matter | 13:56 |
| de-facto | its obvious it does matter, its how it spread from Wuhan initially and how every single variant spread worldwide | 13:57 |
| Tuvix | It's not so much the airplane trip (if one is flying) as all the other things one does when travelling that's potentially risky now. Not to mention possible issues with getting the right test or what happens if you test positive at the destination. | 13:57 |
| de-facto | no studies needed for observing the obvious | 13:57 |
| de-facto | tests are not sufficient to prevent spread with traveling | 13:57 |
| de-facto | only strictly controlled quarantine would catch most cases | 13:57 |
| de-facto | testing is only a "proxy argument" of the tourism industry to postpone their end | 13:58 |
| Tuvix | Right, I'm speaking practically, not in terms of what would make a bigger difference at controll this across borders. Of course, thinks like land-based transport industry also crosses borders and a 1-2 week quarantine isn't practical there. | 13:59 |
| de-facto | just dont travel | 14:00 |
| imaginary | the sad part is when you *need* to travel | 14:01 |
| Tuvix | My big trips each month are to the grocery store where instead of my shopping list my #1 must-have item is my 98%+ filtering mask. | 14:01 |
| gry | but you can hang it to dry and then reuse it two weeks later | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: A cascade of Omicron-driven shortages puts U.S. hospitals in a bind → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2ym0s/a_cascade_of_omicrondriven_shortages_puts_us/ | 14:02 |
| gry | so you need a maximum of 14 masks | 14:02 |
| Tuvix | It dries much faster than that. | 14:02 |
| gry | thats maximum | 14:02 |
| gry | i was trying to max the number of masks required | 14:02 |
| gry | including filters | 14:02 |
| Tuvix | I've got a non-disposable TPU (kind of rubber like) shell with replacable filters. | 14:02 |
| gry | so you can dry the filters too | 14:02 |
| gry | no need to buy 365 filters | 14:02 |
| de-facto | its not only about when it became dry, its about estimated contamination dose | 14:03 |
| Tuvix | Nah, this just gets aired out between uses since I don't (usually) need it daily. After enough use (combination of time and days used based on how intense it was) I swap filters. | 14:03 |
| Tuvix | Right, exactly; the more it's used the less effective it is as it gets less effective due to capturing more particles. Not just SARS-CoV2, but whatever else is attaracted to the meltblown electrostatically charged filter layers. | 14:04 |
| de-facto | assuming exponential decay rate is some constant derived from environment it takes a certain (contamination dose dependent) amount of half lives until the last virion became inactive | 14:04 |
| gry | does this get solved by putting it in a washer | 14:04 |
| gry | i would of think a proper mask decontamination process would be nice to have | 14:04 |
| gry | or filter decontamination | 14:05 |
| Tuvix | Don't wash or use things like alcohol cleaners on electrostatically charged quality masks, no. | 14:05 |
| Tuvix | While you can "just wash" a cloth mask, those are not really doing much in terms of protection or reduction in spread for Omicron. | 14:05 |
| gry | at the moment i've been throwing away the filters - i go to public places about once a week so it's not too many- just interested in x100000 impact of everyone doing the same | 14:05 |
| gry | is there really no known working process for that | 14:06 |
| Tuvix | At this point if you're going to wear a mask for both your protection and that of those around you (from any virus you may be carrying) you really want a fitted mask, at _least_ a KN95, and ideally an N95 or equilvilent, and fitted. | 14:06 |
| gry | i have a cloth mask with a filter inside | 14:06 |
| gry | it doesn't seem to be leaking | 14:06 |
| Tuvix | It absolutely is unless it's designed as a fitted mask. Even KN95 style masks have leakage since they're not designed for a seal around the face. Even N95 masks have some leak unless donned correctly and checked for leaks each use. | 14:07 |
| de-facto | have to go, bbl | 14:08 |
| Tuvix | The re-use issue is part about the filter becomming less effective, but also as the fit degrades it becomes less effective due to not filtering all the air being exchanged. | 14:08 |
| Tuvix | The CDC has some good guidance if you want more technical info, although it's targeted to medical staff familiar with the donning procedures involved. | 14:08 |
| gry | what a lovely challenge | 14:08 |
| gry | from an engineering point of view | 14:09 |
| gry | how to make it working, sanitary, and reusable | 14:09 |
| Tuvix | I have a breath99 mask which meets most of that. | 14:09 |
| gry | link? | 14:10 |
| Tuvix | The main issue with that is moisture buildup. Originally that was a pre-penademic company, but they pivoted when the pandemic hit and removed the outflow filter since it was intended as PPE for the user only originally. | 14:10 |
| Tuvix | https://breathe99.com/pages/technology | 14:10 |
| gry | moisture is probably reason why many people wear masks without covering nose, probably | 14:10 |
| Tuvix | It has a TPU-based reusable shell (and washable, with just soap and water with the filters removed.) Then it's got replacable filters you can re-order. | 14:11 |
| Tuvix | The moisture issue with this mask is largely reduced with the optional sponge insert accessory, and it's helped me a lot. | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron waves appear to slow in New York City, other major metropolitan areas → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2yskl/omicron_waves_appear_to_slow_in_new_york_city/ | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +9785 cases, +36 deaths, +63714 tests (15.4% positive) since 23 hours ago — Bangladesh: +3359 cases, +12 deaths, +27920 tests (12.0% positive) since 23 hours ago — Senegal: +608 cases, +2 deaths, +2242 tests (27.1% positive) since 23 hours ago — Afghanistan: +91 cases, +1500 tests (6.1% positive) since a day ago | 14:12 |
| Tuvix | Hmm, JHU's Wednesday one-day US death count of 2641 is 160% of the rate of the 7-day average as of Tuesday. Given CDC's death estimate projection, the peak will exceed the rate of death during Delta, and may approach that of last winter before we had vaccines available. | 14:20 |
| Tuvix | 2641, if treated as a 7-day average, is ≈5.6/100k, and Tuesday's 7-day average was ≈3.5/100k. | 14:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Texas shows the dangers of indifference to omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2yx42/texas_shows_the_dangers_of_indifference_to_omicron/ | 14:21 |
| gry | Tuvix: https://www.sciencealert.com/new-research-suggests-you-can-use-and-decontaminate-the-same-n95-respirator-at-least-25-times | 14:24 |
| Tuvix | I would be _very_ careful doing anything but letting it air dry. Ignoring VHP (which is not practical to normal users) that article clearly says the "heat" appraoch was not verified to keep the filter properties in tact. | 14:27 |
| Tuvix | Just air-dry the masks and have enough you can let them dry completely between uses. After several days (probably less than that, but 3-days is a good target) the risk of viruses having any infection ability is so close to zero it's not worth worrying about in non-medical situations. | 14:28 |
| Tuvix | This statement is also very misleading: "this VHP research shows that medical staff don't need to be replacing masks every few uses to keep them up to code after decontamination." -- medical use has very strict protocols where infectious disease is concerned, and there are staff at hospitals and other medical practices that train and oversee correct PPE use by staff. | 14:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: Teachers strike puts French government under pressure amid COVID surge → https://www.politico.eu/article/french-teachers-on-strike-amid-covid19-coronavirus-omicron-concerns/ | 14:31 |
| Tuvix | And don't get me wrong, that's interesting research, it just won't help most people practically today. | 14:31 |
| Tuvix | From that Texas article based on social trends (flat vaccination uptake, lax mitigation practices) I find this projection a likely case, "What’s more probable is that Texas sees a repeat of September 2021, when hospitals were so full that they erected overflow tents outside, patients were being treated in waiting rooms, and Abbott was forced to ask out-of-state medical staff for help." | 14:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +85242 cases since 21 hours ago — Bhutan: +36 cases, +2217 tests (1.6% positive) since a day ago | 15:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Polish scientists find gene that doubles risk of serious COVID → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s2ztxj/polish_scientists_find_gene_that_doubles_risk_of/ | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Positive Results of Co-Administering Pfizer’s Prevnar 20 and COVID-19 Vaccine: Pfizer reports positive top-line results from a phase 3 study that simultaneously administered Prevnar 20 and its COVID-19 vaccine in older adults. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/positive-results-of-co-administering-pfizer-s-prevnar-20-and-covid-19-vaccine | 15:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says to wear the 'highest quality mask that you can tolerate' as omicron spreads → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s30gqv/dr_fauci_says_to_wear_the_highest_quality_mask/ | 15:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Government’s use of VIP lane for awarding PPE contracts was unlawful, says ȷudge: UK government action in giving priority treatment to suppliers of personal protective equipment (PPE) who were referred by MPs, ministers, or civil servants at the height of the covid-19 pandemic was... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o96.short | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Here's what you need to know about high-filtration masks and where to get them → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s30vlg/heres_what_you_need_to_know_about_highfiltration/ | 15:58 |
| squirrel | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10397797/Man-claims-lost-1-5-inches-length-penis-Covid-vascular-damage.html | 16:07 |
| Tuvix | And another idiot claimed bleach could be a "clensing" against COVID. Society in aggregate is not short a handful with bad ideas who aren't afraid to tell a wide audiance about them. | 16:13 |
| Tuvix | Given this is a science-focused channel though, you might consider the source of material you post from. That one in particular is well known for being utterly worthless. | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Qatar: +4187 cases, +2 deaths, +4669 tests (89.7% positive) since 18 hours ago — Iran: +2394 cases, +30 deaths since a day ago — Iraq: +2385 cases, +4 deaths, +18540 tests (12.9% positive) since a day ago — Switzerland: +29887 cases, +17 deaths, +95429 tests (31.3% positive) since 14 hours ago | 16:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Inside an ICU where 70 per cent of COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s31kfy/inside_an_icu_where_70_per_cent_of_covid19/ | 16:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: FDA Approves Novel Treatment to Control Pain in Cats with Osteoarthritis, First Monoclonal Antibody Drug for Use in Any Animal Species → http://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-novel-treatment-control-pain-cats-osteoarthritis-first-monoclonal-antibody-drug-use-any | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: In These COVID 19 Times, Can We Reduce Hospitalizations Due to Skin Infections?: Shortages of health care workers and an increase in COVID-19 cases has put a severe strain on the health care system. Thus, the opportunity to reduce the [... want %more?] → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/in-these-covid-19-times-can-we-reduce-hospitalizations-due-to-skin-infections- | 16:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): IMPACT OF THERAPEUTIC PLASMA EXCHANGE ON ACQUIRED VACCINAL ANTI-SARS-CoV-2 ANTIBODIES. → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05191394 | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kenya: +1175 cases, +3 deaths, +10073 tests (11.7% positive) since a day ago | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Conversations You Want About Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05191420 | 17:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +33859 cases, +13 deaths since 8 hours ago — Serbia: +13753 cases, +19 deaths, +33163 tests (41.5% positive) since a day ago — Chile: +7247 cases, +41 deaths, +95967 tests (7.6% positive) since a day ago — Kuwait: +4883 cases, +1 deaths, +37917 tests (12.9% positive) since 21 hours ago | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: 5 ways Boris Johnson’s Partygate scandal could play out: The UK prime minister is facing a storm of criticism over a lockdown party in his own government department. → https://www.politico.eu/article/five-ways-boris-johnson-partygate-scandal-play-out/ | 18:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: TWiV 850: COVID-19 clinical update #96 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #96, Daniel Griffin reviews Omicron in South Africa, rapid antigen tests, viral coinfections, isolation and quarantine, saliva preferred for Omicron, risk factors [... want %more?] → https://www.virology.ws/2022/01/13/twiv-850-covid-19-clinical-update-96-with-dr-daniel-griffin/ | 18:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: TWiV 851: Questions are tricky: The TWiV team reviews the observation that infection with the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant causes reduced reproduction and pathogenesis in mice and hamsters. Click arrow to playDownload TWiV 851 (61 MB .mp3, 102 min)Subscribe (free): iTunes, Google [... want %more?] → https://www.virology.ws/2022/01/13/twiv-851-questions-are-tricky/ | 18:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Morocco: +8338 cases, +10 deaths, +41855 tests (19.9% positive) since 23 hours ago — Italy: +184577 cases, +316 deaths, +1181179 tests (15.6% positive) since 22 hours ago — Cuba: +3387 cases, +47262 tests (7.2% positive) since a day ago — Greenland: +630 cases, +1236 tests (51.0% positive) since 23 hours ago | 18:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Cannabis Compounds Prevented Covid Infection in Laboratory Study → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s35310/cannabis_compounds_prevented_covid_infection_in/ | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Omicron tidal wave — Remembering David Sassoli — Russia standoff: The coronavirus wave engulfing Europe and the West’s standoff with Russia over Ukraine both feature in this episode. We also reflect on the legacy of European Parliament President David [... want %more?] → https://www.politico.eu/podcast/omicron-tidal-wave-remembering-david-sassoli-russia-standoff/ | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid in pregnancy linked to birth-related complications: Scottish researchers found vaccination in pregnancy did not increase the risk of complications, but Covid-19 did. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59986452 | 19:22 |
| Tuvix | All these studies telling us more of what we already knew or expected. It's good, don't get me wrong, but recently it feels a bit like this: https://xkcd.com/2515 | 19:25 |
| LjL | Tuvix, tbf, historically a lot of hings have been just "taken for granted" in medicine that just weren't true | 19:29 |
| LjL | i think it's good the attitude is to verify even obvious things with decent studies | 19:30 |
| Tuvix | Sure, I guess I'm more frustrated that we need studies to debunk intentional misinformation that ends up impacting people who get caught up in the crossfire who wouldn't otherwise have. | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Why Getting COVID on Purpose Is a Dangerous Idea: There's a lot of chatter out there asking, ‘If we're all going to get COVID, why not just get it over with now?’ There are a couple of problems with this argument, experts say. → https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220113/getting-covid-on-purpose | 19:33 |
| LjL | okay, maybe having to explain why *this* is is ridiculous | 19:35 |
| LjL | but then again... variolation was arguably useful before anything better was available, and same for chickenpox parties | 19:35 |
| LjL | but we do have something better... | 19:35 |
| LjL | and in both those cases it was to get it preferentially as children | 19:36 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but that didn't stress the hospitals due to everyone getting that at once and a great deal of them in aggregate ending up in hospitals. | 19:36 |
| Tuvix | I suppose to the short-sighted who really don't understand the difference they might look the same, but honestly believing that requires setting any shred of critical thinking aside. | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Florida COVID update: State surpasses 63,000 deaths as cases near five million → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s35xwe/florida_covid_update_state_surpasses_63000_deaths/ | 19:42 |
| LjL | i do like the understatement "there are *a couple of problems* with that argument, experts say" | 19:46 |
| mwsd82 | by the way, I prefer to use the term: "new version" instead to use new variant | 19:48 |
| mwsd82 | Oo | 19:48 |
| mwsd82 | The end is comming. | 19:48 |
| LjL | oookay | 19:49 |
| de-facto | thats assuming there is an end, something not very realistic according to what we have observed so far it probably will continue indefinitely | 19:51 |
| LjL | i had interpreted that as an end to us | 19:51 |
| de-facto | for that i would make the same statement | 19:52 |
| Tuvix | Odds are good we're living nice and solidly somewhere in the flat portion of the bathtub curve for our species overall survival ;) | 19:53 |
| mwsd82 | I dare to go a little deeper, Sumerians, Persians, Egyptians, Astecs and Mayans ceased to exist; which means that everything that begins has an end | 19:53 |
| de-facto | yet we are here discussing them | 19:54 |
| mwsd82 | But it still being an speculation. | 19:54 |
| LjL | i think that is true but also doesn't follow from the premise | 19:54 |
| LjL | "some things ended. therefore, everything ends" | 19:54 |
| mwsd82 | YEAH! | 19:54 |
| mwsd82 | I dare to assume that we are at the beginning of the end... | 19:55 |
| LjL | any opinions on the situation in Italy? by offloop standards, the R is going back down to 1 | 19:55 |
| de-facto | its becoming endemic, will make waves with new mutants again and again, will will learn how to deal with them and probably coexist since there is not enough support for making the pathogen extinct | 19:57 |
| de-facto | no end whatsoever | 19:57 |
| de-facto | somewhere at the earth a new mutant will be breed and tourists will infect themselves with it, they will travel back and spread it to their friends and family, launching lots of new infection chains locally and it will launch a new wave globally in weeks | 20:00 |
| de-facto | its always going to be the same pattern as we observed already, why would it ever change without efforts to do so? | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +40134 cases, +22 deaths since a day ago — Japan: +17431 cases since 13 hours ago — Malaysia: +3684 cases, +12 deaths since 19 hours ago — Maldives: +816 cases, +7005 tests (11.6% positive) since 23 hours ago | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Arizona COVID-19 updates: State passes 25,000 known deaths, adds 18,573 new cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s36hj8/arizona_covid19_updates_state_passes_25000_known/ | 20:02 |
| de-facto | LjL, R~1.26 according to offloop in Italy | 20:04 |
| de-facto | doubling every t2 = 4 Ln(2) / Ln(1.26) ~ 12 days | 20:05 |
| LjL | de-facto, yeah but it's down from 2.05 which is the highest we've ever had | 20:06 |
| de-facto | traveling for Christmas and New Years now settled, people are at their normal places again, less spread happening | 20:06 |
| de-facto | here at my city we have lots of students, no increase in incidence till 4th of Jan where all of them returned importing Omicron | 20:08 |
| de-facto | if they would not have traveled there would not be such a big increase in incidence | 20:09 |
| de-facto | but oh well | 20:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: European Parliament opts to pick new president remotely: The Omicron variant explosion pushes parliamentary leaders to overrule the body’s handbook. → https://www.politico.eu/article/meps-will-pick-their-president-remotely-due-to-covid-surge-in-france/ | 20:12 |
| de-facto | since traveling continues the pandemic will continue, its quite obvious | 20:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for Jan 13, 2022: Omicron susceptibility to vaccines Less mobility after COVID-19 Delta variant and fetal death → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-19-scan-jan-13-2022 | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Tourists with mild symptoms can have Covid treatment covered by Thai insurance → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s377j0/tourists_with_mild_symptoms_can_have_covid/ | 20:41 |
| * mwsd82 is away: Time to eat something, see you! | 20:43 | |
| Arsanerit | My colleague said that his teenage kids are hoping for a corona case in their class, so that they can do distance education and don't have to get up early in the morning and go to school in the cold winter weather. | 20:46 |
| oerheks | some are comfy without pants indeed | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Supreme Court halts Covid-19 vaccine rule for U.S. businesses: The Supreme Court has stopped the Biden administration from enforcing a requirement that employees at large businesses be vaccinated against Covid-19 or undergo weekly testing and wear a mask on… → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/13/supreme-court-halts-covid-19-vaccine-rule-businesses/ | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Singapore: +960 cases since 17 hours ago | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Usual Source of Care and Flu Vaccination Rates in Pregnant Women: A new study sought to address the association between a usual source of care and influenza vaccination rates among pregnant women. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/usual-source-of-care-and-flu-vaccination-rates-in-pregnant-women | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Mass. close to end of omicron surge, according to projections → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s389fd/mass_close_to_end_of_omicron_surge_according_to/ | 21:20 |
| Arsanerit | Cases seem to drop a lot in the UK and Greece. Is the omicron wave past its peak there? | 21:24 |
| Arsanerit | offloop is claiming that the UK is doing 190,000 tests per 100,000 people per day. That seems highly unlikely. | 21:27 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, the testing data on offloop is bogus at this point | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Shanghai confirms 5 local infections, milk tea shop medium risk → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s38hvs/shanghai_confirms_5_local_infections_milk_tea/ | 21:30 |
| Arsanerit | It would seem so. | 21:30 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, err, did you notice that the tests for the UK on offloop had been at +0 since August? | 21:32 |
| LjL | today it says +190000 but it's basically catching up with all the tests it didn't consider between August and now | 21:32 |
| LjL | you can see it checks out of you look at the straight line before August | 21:33 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: No, I didn't notice, but now that you mention it I do. | 21:33 |
| LjL | ugh, US | 21:38 |
| * LjL just sees the Supreme Court news | 21:38 | |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 1 in 4 Alabama students back to remote learning as COVID spreads → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s38m62/1_in_4_alabama_students_back_to_remote_learning/ | 21:40 |
| Tuvix | LjL: That's got a bit of nuance to it; yes, the court's makeup is now notably more conservative than it was sevearl years back, but the focus was on the agency that put those rules out in the first place (OSHA) and the majority of justices didn't agree about the broad implications of the "large employers" option. The bit about healthcare workers is staying in effect, at least. | 21:40 |
| Tuvix | Granted the over-100 employees requirement would have impacted more, but it seemed not unlikely that at least that part was going to be rejected. In theory the court left the door open to congress to do something, but that won't happen. | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from University of Washington: DGH is Recruiting Faculty in Global Health: DrGH program 2021 v2 600x300.png The Department of Global Health (DGH) at the University of Washington, which bridges the Schools of Medicine (SOM) and Public Health (SPH), is recruiting individuals to join [... want %more?] → https://globalhealth.washington.edu/news/2022/01/13/dgh-recruiting-faculty-global-health | 21:49 |
| Arsanerit | What was the requirement? Mandatory vaccinations for all emplyees of all large busineses? | 21:54 |
| Tuvix | Vaccination and masking requirements, although there were some exceptions which I didn't dig too far into. | 21:55 |
| Tuvix | It was mostly intended as a way to get people to vaccinated instead of deal with any less-trivial options for larger employers, although notably it wouldn't have done anything for the remainder of those businesses that employ fewer staff. | 21:56 |
| Arsanerit | That seems a rather far-reaching obligation to pass without parliamentary involvement | 21:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lebanon: +7057 cases, +13 deaths since a day ago — France: +305513 cases, +225 deaths since 23 hours ago — Spain: +159161 cases, +112 deaths since 23 hours ago — Albania: +2029 cases, +2 deaths, +7378 tests (27.5% positive) since a day ago | 22:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Studies: COVID vaccines effective, with limited waning: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jan 13, 2022 In 1 of the 3 studies, vaccination was 98% protective against ICU stay and life support in teens. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/studies-covid-vaccines-effective-limited-waning | 22:08 |
| rpifan | so my antivax great aunt is on the edge of death with covid | 22:15 |
| rpifan | but what can you do | 22:15 |
| gry | did she change her mind now | 22:15 |
| rpifan | she is in the hospital sedated | 22:16 |
| gry | is she in a high risk group like obese old or diabetical | 22:16 |
| rpifan | with difficulty breathing | 22:16 |
| rpifan | yes she is very obese and old | 22:16 |
| gry | my dear, what a position to take | 22:16 |
| gry | did she change her mind? | 22:16 |
| gry | maybe she can take one of these pfizer pills if they are available | 22:16 |
| rpifan | she is totally sedated in the ICU | 22:17 |
| gry | :-( wish she is one of those lucky ones who manage to survive | 22:17 |
| rpifan | my mom and my uncle have alread taken the decision to not intubate her nor to resusicate her | 22:17 |
| gry | oh | 22:17 |
| rpifan | so its up to her body and oxygen to get through | 22:18 |
| rpifan | she is being given steroids for the virus apparently | 22:18 |
| gry | why did they decide that | 22:18 |
| rpifan | idk thats their choice | 22:19 |
| rpifan | they were designated by my aunt for that task | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Face masks make people look more attractive, study finds → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s3a2g1/face_masks_make_people_look_more_attractive_study/ | 22:47 |
| gry | “Our study suggests faces are considered most attractive when covered by medical face masks. This may be because we’re used to healthcare workers wearing blue masks and now we associate these with people in caring or medical professions. At a time when we feel vulnerable, we may find the wearing of medical masks reassuring and so feel more positive towards the wearer.” | 22:50 |
| gry | lol | 22:50 |
| squirrel | in my case it's because i'm ugly | 22:51 |
| gry | i'm ugly too, i need to see a dentist for maybe ten years now. my parents didn't fix appearance of my teeth properly | 22:51 |
| gry | maybe if things stop being such a outbreak show, i'll be able to one day | 22:52 |
| gry | still, personally i talk more with people who aren't wearing a mask. i prefer household members take mask off and speak without it. so if we're indoors, we don't speak. | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Supreme Court blocks COVID vaccine mandate for large employers: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Jan 13, 2022 The Court allowed a mandate for workers at federally funded healthcare facilities. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/supreme-court-blocks-covid-vaccine-mandate-large-employers | 22:56 |
| squirrel | i live in the uk so i don't have to worry about my teeth at least | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Hong Kong reports 14 new COVID-19 cases down from 22 yesterday → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s3an7r/hong_kong_reports_14_new_covid19_cases_down_from/ | 23:06 |
| rpifan | gry, r u polish | 23:07 |
| rpifan | yea i think face masks cover the ugly part of your face | 23:07 |
| rpifan | i got a complement the other day with he mask on about how nice my eyes were | 23:07 |
| gry | :-) | 23:07 |
| Arsanerit | by that reasoning, burqas are truly sexy | 23:08 |
| Arsanerit | or at least niqaabs are | 23:08 |
| gry | no, i'm not Polish... my first language is Russian, and I live in Australia now | 23:08 |
| rpifan | gry means game in polish | 23:08 |
| gry | yes | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +253496 cases, +8 deaths since 16 hours ago — Turkey: +73634 cases, +153 deaths, +410116 tests (18.0% positive) since 13 hours ago — Guatemala: +2872 cases, +17 deaths, +29393 tests (9.8% positive) since 14 hours ago — Moldova: +1503 cases, +10 deaths since a day ago | 23:08 |
| rpifan | im learning polish | 23:09 |
| gry | join ##poland then perhaps | 23:09 |
| gry | chat practice can be quite helpful and fun | 23:10 |
| rpifan | yea i am often in there | 23:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Center for COVID Control's nationwide testing sites to 'pause' as authorities in two states shut down centers → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s3aw2s/center_for_covid_controls_nationwide_testing/ | 23:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Wales moves to ease Covid restrictions by end of January → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s3b202/wales_moves_to_ease_covid_restrictions_by_end_of/ | 23:25 |
| Al2O3 | and for some news... https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/supreme-court-ruling-biden-covid-vaccine-mandates.html | 23:32 |
| oerheks | tell me again; what is the 'united' is USA ? | 23:39 |
| oerheks | a pandemic is not a joke .. | 23:40 |
| LjL | Wuuuuut? Did Fauci really state we don't need to find a variant-specific vaccine? They're saying on Italian TV that he said that in an interview at Rome's Sapienza university, so maybe it's not a statement that's well known abroad, or maybe they're misrepresenting it here... But what the heck? | 23:48 |
| oerheks | just a universal generic one.. sure | 23:49 |
| LjL | Al2O3: you're late, news was posted here hours ago :P | 23:52 |
| de-facto | if we are going to have an Omicron specific vaccine in April or such its WAY too late | 23:52 |
| de-facto | all the Omicron peaks will be in the past by then | 23:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: San Diego Police Union to seek injunction against city over officer vaccines → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s3blyd/san_diego_police_union_to_seek_injunction_against/ | 23:53 |
| de-facto | possibly a new mutant may emerge from the large number of Omicron infections but since Omicron specific immunity will be quite prevalent a mutant that is quite different from Omicron would have a fitness advantage under such circumstances | 23:53 |
| LjL | The next variant is not unlikely to have some or many of the same mutation as Omicron | 23:53 |
| LjL | We'll never be able to bring about a vaccine for a new variant right when it's coming up | 23:54 |
| LjL | That doesn't make them useless though | 23:54 |
| de-facto | Omicron can spread so fast now becasue its so different from all the previous ones | 23:54 |
| oerheks | +1 | 23:54 |
| oerheks | so, then next one could be mild or horrible.. | 23:54 |
| de-facto | i did not say they are useless, i only say that manufacturing is WAY too slow by many orders of magnitudes | 23:54 |
| de-facto | we would need to react in days not months or years | 23:55 |
| oerheks | Israel showed that it can be done. | 23:55 |
| de-facto | ironically its technically possible | 23:55 |
| oerheks | just add yourself to the line | 23:55 |
| de-facto | i am talking about updating the s-protein signature in the vaccines | 23:56 |
| LjL | Meanwhile here the "state talkshow" is now trying to create an atmosphere against making "too many" swabs, 'cause we've done "too many" of them, and people who have been exposed need to do "self-surveillance" and just stay home if they feel sick. | 23:59 |
| de-facto | the first sequence from Omicron was on 9th of Nov 2021 | 23:59 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!