| Tuvix | And this is now the 3rd day CDC has reported a rise in daily COVID deaths. I'm sure multiple factors are involved, including disease moving more into rural and under-vaccinated communities, social trends to drop what little reamining prevention measures there were, and perhaps BA.2 playing a role although it's early in the sub-varient foothold buildup many places. | 00:34 |
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| Tuvix | Almost 2k deaths reported yesterday by the CDC :\ | 00:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): @TheLancet This week it was widely announced we surpassed 6 million global Covid deaths. The real number is likely more than 18 million, as determined by excess mortality at the end of 2021.thelancet.com/journals/lance… pic.twitter.com/DyYk6fLmWX → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1502064507597860872 | 00:39 |
| oerheks | for once i share that opinion with eric topol | 00:40 |
| oerheks | 20m | 00:40 |
| Tuvix | Either an Atlantic or NYT article (I forget which) described the apparent giving-up we're doing globally as amounting to normalizing a high rate of death, at least in countries like the US (and others) which appear to be leveling off death rates far higher than the "good" pre-Delta period where metrics were far better than we've ever seen since. | 00:43 |
| Tuvix | I use death often as a way to gauge how the pandemic is doing relative to other points in time and between age-groups, but of course the long-term symptoms and impacts are also affecting a number that's also large but harder to quantify. | 00:48 |
| Tuvix | I was a bit suprised that, in the US anyway, all age-groups under-50 never really did better in terms of monthly death rates than the *peak* of the Alpha varient, back when we somewhat-accepted social restrictions and masks as necessary before vaccines. | 00:49 |
| Tuvix | pre-Delta was better of course, but at no time since Delta took hold have any under-50 age groups done better than the worst of Alpha. Post-Delta was roughly as bad as pre-vaccines, and the surges have been worse. | 00:50 |
| Tuvix | US Deaths by age-group, March 2020 - Jan 2022: https://imgur.com/a/JlnZAFl | 00:54 |
| Tuvix | After Delta hit, note that all 4 of the youngest age-groups have had *low* points that are roughly equal to the PEAK monthly death toll before vaccines. Granted most of those dying are un- or under-vaccinated, but that's still a disturbing trend as we talk about COVID behing largely behind us. | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hong Kong: +24390 cases, +281 deaths since a day ago — Cook Is.: +41 cases, +316 tests (13.0% positive) since a day ago | 01:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid pandemic fuels deepening education inequalities in England, say MPs → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-60683839 | 01:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Slovakia: +14677 cases since 12 hours ago | 02:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Pet hamster likely transmission of Delta #SARSCoV2 to humansthelancet.com/journals/lance… @TheLancetandPerspective on animal #SARSCoV2 reservoirs science.org/doi/10.1126/sc… by @edwardcholmes (my favorite evolutionary virologist) @ScienceMagazine pic.twitter.com/M3ok41YgW0 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1502087578425516036 | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Bloom Lab (@jbloom_lab): Some slides with my perspective on what we've learned about the shifting evolutionary landscape of the #SARSCoV2 receptor binding domain with the emergence of #Omicron: slides.com/jbloom/shiftin… → https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1502090847264784393 | 02:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): 2022.02.02. Discussing how Novavax appears to induce a decently broad antibody response across variants including Omicron, breadth that was not seen for other vaccines (different studies however, so there's only a suggestion that Novavax may be [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1502099281099902980 | 02:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): Aha to give the WHO committee credit they arrived at the right answer. I guess the logic of updating your vaccines with actually extant viral sequences was too straightforward to refute.who.int/news/item/08-0… pic.twitter.com/hUxG1rZWXZ → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1502101191940972546 | 03:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +84537 cases, +789842 tests (0.0% positive) since 13 hours ago | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): BTW news coverage of various crises within the epidemic makes a lot more sense if you just imagine "what would big pharma say at this point"? e.g. media voices hesitation on variant-specific boosters (top tweet) when big pharma had original-strain vax [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1502102568587051009 | 03:12 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/Science: science: The number of people who have died because of the COVID-19 pandemic could be roughly 3 times higher than official figures suggest. The true number of lives lost to the pandemic by 31 December 2021 was close to 18 million.That far outstrips the [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/tbewf3/the_number_of_people_who_have_died_because_of_the/ | 03:21 |
| LjL | (Nature) | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): That's why the news articles about Pfizer or Merck vax and pills were ~100% favorable. What big pharmas say is news because they are big, whereas what anybody else says is not important by definition. Okay for political and financial news, but not [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1502104653525225473 | 03:21 |
| LjL | (but article about Lancet https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02796-3/fulltext ) | 03:21 |
| LjL | for anyone skeptical of them, or conversely loving them: Funding: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, J Stanton, T Gillespie, and J and E Nordstrom | 03:23 |
| blueberrycrop | everyone the pandemic is over now! | 03:26 |
| blueberrycrop | we can go back to normal! | 03:26 |
| LjL | sure | 03:36 |
| LjL | mainly because we have no other ideas left | 03:36 |
| Tuvix | I'd earlier posted US-centric (CDC) charts showing that post-Delta through the end of Janurary, all the under-50 age groups had more death than the *peak* of Alpha, which was before vaccines. If youth, those in their 20's, 30's, & 40's are dying at or in greater numbers to before we had vaccines on a monthly basis, the crisis is nowhere near "over." | 03:59 |
| Tuvix | CDC Provisional deaths broken out by age, showing deaths per month: https://imgur.com/a/JlnZAFl | 03:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Thailand: +24792 cases, +63 deaths since 23 hours ago — New Zealand: +21031 cases, +10 deaths, +10 deaths since 18 hours ago | 04:00 |
| Tuvix | It should concern everyone that starting in late July, the vast majority of our youth and working-age citizens are dying in numbers as great as before vaccines. Granted most of those in the hospital or dead from COVID are un- or under-vaccinated, but not all, and these with weakened immune systems from existing disease can't benefit from vaccines the way us health folk can. | 04:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: UK Covid inquiry draft terms of reference set out: The probe will look at areas including preparedness and the public health response to the pandemic. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60697093 | 04:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): A very complete review of COVID-19 vaccines.VE for death / severe dzModerna 94-100 / 88-100Pfizer 89-100 / 70-100AZ 86-100 / 75-100J&J 60-100 / 60-90Note J&J similar to 1st dose of other vax, not surprising as it's 1 doseNice color-coded [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1502135128599896064 | 05:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hong Kong: +41796 cases since 5 hours ago — Germany: +222395 cases since 15 hours ago | 06:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saxony-Anhalt, Germany: +8356 cases, +14 deaths since 23 hours ago — Selangor, Malaysia: +7525 cases, +11 deaths since 23 hours ago — Western Australia, Australia: +4411 cases since 2 days ago — Pulau Pinang, Malaysia: +2773 cases since 23 hours ago | 07:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): Pfizer Begins Trial of COVID Drug Paxlovid in Kids 6 to 17 → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 07:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vanuatu: +55 cases since 11 hours ago | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | March 11, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/tbl5xx/daily_discussion_thread_march_11_2022/ | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Mandatory masking in schools reduced COVID-19 cases during Delta surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/tbld8d/mandatory_masking_in_schools_reduced_covid19/ | 09:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: The Times, They Are A'Changin - A reflection on two years of COVID-19: Two year ago today, the World Health Organization designated COVID-19 as a pandemic. It’s been a couple of long years of developments, daily news, and frequent adjustments in [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/tbm0mq/the_times_they_are_achangin_a_reflection_on_two/ | 10:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Vaxelis, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (acellular, component), hepatitis B (rDNA), poliomyelitis (inactivated) and Haemophilus type b conjugate vaccine (adsorbed), Meningitis, [... want %more?] → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/vaxelis | 10:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: COVID-19 booster after Omicron: Are 3rd or 4th shots necessary? "Studies indicate that immunity conferred by a past Omicron infection is not enough to prevent reinfection or protect against other variants" → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/tbmrzc/covid19_booster_after_omicron_are_3rd_or_4th/ | 10:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: Two years of COVID-19: new report highlights the 100 weeks of WHO/Europe’s efforts to protect lives and livelihoods during [... want %more?] → https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/health-emergencies/coronavirus-covid-19/news/news/2022/3/two-years-of-covid-19-new-report-highlights-the-100-weeks-of-whoeuropes-efforts-to-protect-lives-and-livelihoods-during-the-pandemic2 | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tonga: +62 cases, +1 deaths, +1 deaths since 15 hours ago | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Estimating excess mortality due to the COVID-19 pandemic: a systematic analysis of COVID-19-related mortality, 2020–21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/tbnf2w/estimating_excess_mortality_due_to_the_covid19/ | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Pandemic has shown that science can widen inequalities, says WHO head: The covid-19 pandemic has been exacerbated by underinvestment in public health, an “infodemic” of false or misleading information, and a deficit of trust, the director general of the World Health... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o644.short | 12:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): We've known since Jan that Covid IFR was closing in on flu, so it crossing the line is barely new.What we spent a week demonstrating is that Covid is still adding to mortality risk above and beyond a bad flu season. → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1502240911987724292 | 12:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): Yet a lot of responses essentially say "though shalt not mention the fact that Covid has become less lethal , even if you're the first people to show that it's still adding risk". → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1502240913749430273 | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Theo Sanderson (@theosanderson): BA.1 vs BA.2 in England on a log scale pic.twitter.com/KB9tqhliAc → https://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1502261420917940226 | 13:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 11MAR22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/tbpcri/global_covid_cases_for_11mar22/ | 13:50 |
| de-facto | COVID deaths in reality could be quite a lot more than what official statistics suggest | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Theo Sanderson (@theosanderson): The BA.2 wave in the UK pic.twitter.com/MTc5EYduLg → https://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1502269199795863558 | 14:09 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.economist.com: Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries | The Economist | 14:10 |
| de-facto | %title https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-tracker | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From github.com: GitHub - TheEconomist/covid-19-excess-deaths-tracker: Source code and data for The Economist's covid-19 excess deaths tracker | 14:10 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02796-3/fulltext | 14:13 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.thelancet.com: Estimating excess mortality due to the COVID-19 pandemic: a systematic analysis of COVID-19-related mortality, 2020–21 - The Lancet | 14:13 |
| de-facto | "All-cause mortality reports were collected for 74 countries and territories and 266 subnational locations (including 31 locations in low-income and middle-income countries) that had reported either weekly or monthly deaths from all causes during the pandemic in 2020 and 2021, and for up to 11 year previously." | 14:13 |
| xx | seeing all this war propaganda makes me realize just how powerful the propaganda in the west must have been for covid. There likely are 10x-100x more covid deaths in the west than admitted. | 14:13 |
| de-facto | "In addition, we obtained excess mortality data for 12 states in India. Excess mortality over time was calculated as observed mortality, after excluding data from periods affected by late registration and anomalies such as heat waves, minus expected mortality." | 14:14 |
| de-facto | "Although reported COVID-19 deaths between Jan 1, 2020, and Dec 31, 2021, totalled 5·94 million worldwide, we estimate that 18·2 million (95% uncertainty interval 17·1–19·6) people died worldwide because of the COVID-19 pandemic (as measured by excess mortality) over that period." | 14:14 |
| de-facto | "The global all-age rate of excess mortality due to the COVID-19 pandemic was 120·3 deaths (113·1–129·3) per 100 000 of the population, and excess mortality rate exceeded 300 deaths per 100 000 of the population in 21 countries. The number of excess deaths due to COVID-19 was largest in the regions of south Asia, north Africa and the Middle East, and eastern Europe. " | 14:14 |
| de-facto | "At the country level, the highest numbers of cumulative excess deaths due to COVID-19 were estimated in India (4·07 million [3·71–4·36]), the USA (1·13 million [1·08–1·18]), Russia (1·07 million [1·06–1·08]), Mexico (798 000 [741 000–867 000]), Brazil (792 000 [730 000–847 000]), Indonesia (736 000 [594 000–955 000]), and Pakistan (664 000 [498 000–847 000])." | 14:15 |
| de-facto | "Among these countries, the excess mortality rate was highest in Russia (374·6 deaths [369·7–378·4] per 100 000) and Mexico (325·1 [301·6–353·3] per 100 000), and was similar in Brazil (186·9 [172·2–199·8] per 100 000) and the USA (179·3 [170·7–187·5] per 100 000). | 14:15 |
| de-facto | " | 14:15 |
| de-facto | "The full impact of the pandemic has been much greater than what is indicated by reported deaths due to COVID-19 alone. Strengthening death registration systems around the world, long understood to be crucial to global public health strategy, is necessary for improved monitoring of this pandemic and future pandemics." | 14:15 |
| de-facto | " In addition, further research is warranted to help distinguish the proportion of excess mortality that was directly caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection and the changes in causes of death as an indirect consequence of the pandemic. | 14:16 |
| de-facto | " | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): Interesting paper estimating global excess mortality for the Covid pandemic. Excess mortality for 2020-2021 was estimated to ~18M deaths (~3x the ~6M recorded Covid deaths), due to an unknown mix of undiagnosed Covid deaths and indirect [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1502270060655689739 | 14:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Event: EMA regular press briefing on COVID-19, Online, from 17/03/2022 to 17/03/2022 → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/events/ema-regular-press-briefing-covid-19-16 | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Pfizer: Pfizer Completes Acquisition of Arena Pharmaceuticals: Anonymous (not verified) Fri, 03/11/2022 - 08:34 Friday, March 11, 2022 - 08:34am Acquisition offers new, differentiated, and potentially best-in-class approach to address needs of a [... want %more?] → https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-completes-acquisition-arena-pharmaceuticals | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Jeffrey Barrett (@jcbarret): You've won the internet, Covid-centrist-twitter. Enjoy your well-earned retirement. pic.twitter.com/zqPaoeF6Az → https://twitter.com/jcbarret/status/1502279814941753344 | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bhutan: +389 cases, +389 cases since 23 hours ago | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Opioid victims and their families berate Sacklers in court hearing; Glaxo shingles vaccine campaign in U.K. is criticized → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2022/03/11/opioids-purdue-sackler-glaxo-vaccine-ukraine-china-antibiotic-pbm/ | 15:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): But look at the comparison with Hong Kong, with similar magnitude of Omicron surge, South Korea avoided a significant rise in fatalities. Vaccines work. pic.twitter.com/nOIXL3ycTx → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1502288609604370441 | 15:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Ivan Zanoni (@Lo_Zanzi): @ScienceMagazine amazing review by #AllStar #WomenInSTEM @MiriamMerad @VirusesImmunity @blish_lab @sallustolab on everything we learned about #immunology and #immunopathology of #COVID19! for discussing our doi.org/10.1016/j.cell. 2021.08.016 on #IFNs! science.org/doi/10.1126/sc… → https://twitter.com/Lo_Zanzi/status/1502288748339339273 | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid infections rising again across UK - ONS: A form of Omicron called BA.2 is now the most common variant in most of the UK, figures suggest. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60709712 | 15:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The highest quality study thus far performed about Covid and its impact on the brain, in predominantly mild cases, had worrisome results. But they're not definitive. Here's why theguardian.com/commentisfree/… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1502296597530505222 | 15:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +224669 cases since 22 hours ago | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: Transparency: exceptional measures for COVID-19 medicines → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/transparency-exceptional-measures-covid-19-medicines | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Persistent SARS-CoV-2 infection in asymptomatic young adults → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/tbsx62/persistent_sarscov2_infection_in_asymptomatic/ | 16:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +5793 cases, +41 deaths since 21 hours ago | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): China didn’t use the time it bought itself by keeping COVID out to deploy vaccines and antibody therapies that could substantially mitigate Omicron. Now, it’s facing this more contagious variant, and it’ll be much harder to thwart it with [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1502314179348385799 | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): The Effects of Repeated Exposure to Antiseptics During COVID-19 Pandemic on Skin Parameters → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05276102 | 17:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Establishment of a Biological Biobank of Subjects Vaccinated Against SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19) → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05276388 | 17:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: COVID-19 Among Children With Chronic Renal Diseases in Qatar: Conditions : Chronic Kidney Diseases; COVID-19 Infection; Acute Kidney Injury; Chronic Renal Failure in Children; COVID-19 Pandemic → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05275595 | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Kids with asthma not at higher risk of COVID-19, study finds: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Mar 11, 2022 A large North Carolina study finds no elevated risk in kids and teens who have asthma. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/03/kids-asthma-not-higher-risk-covid-19-study-finds | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: (translated) valerie: AnGes: AG0301-COVID19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/3/ | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: AIM Vaccine: LVRNA009 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/189/ | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +32800 cases, +76 deaths since 20 hours ago — Italy: +53961 cases, +156 deaths, +156 deaths since 23 hours ago — Canada: +7418 cases since 23 hours ago | 19:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: War on Ukraine Sparks Healthcare and Disease Crises: The war on Ukraine is expected to drive COVID-19 and other infectious diseases, meaning health organizations and neighboring countries should prepare to assist in the impending health crises. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/war-on-ukraine-sparks-healthcare-and-disease-crises | 19:13 |
| xx | de-facto: ^ | 19:17 |
| xx | somebody is watching our IRC conversation :) | 19:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): Reuters: Shanghai, China will close all primary, middle and high schools from March 12 and shift to online classes “until further notice” to deal with a growing Covid outbreak in the city, kindergartens and preschools will also suspend [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1502347762704297986 | 19:23 |
| darsie | . | 19:26 |
| LjL | xx, they've shown on TV Italy has already re-opened some vaccine centers with revamped instructions in russian/ukrainian specifically to vaccinate refugees | 19:37 |
| xx | but do they carry all those other vaccines? | 19:38 |
| xx | plus people will be unwilling too | 19:38 |
| xx | imagine you're a refugee and suddenly foreign doctors want to inject all sorts of stuff into you and your children | 19:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Airlangga University: UNAIR Inactivated COVID-19 Vaccine → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/181/ | 19:42 |
| LjL | they're welcome to go back to take bombs if they don't want a stupid vaccine | 19:43 |
| xx | now who's the unethical one? ;) | 19:44 |
| LjL | Putin | 19:47 |
| LjL | i'm in favor of mandatory vaccination of citizens, why would i not be in favor of mandatory vaccination of refugee | 19:48 |
| LjL | or at least i would be in favor if we didn't already had a ridiculously high vaccination rate, and the vaccines actually worked in the long term | 19:49 |
| LjL | the way it is instead i feel pretty meh about it, but i guess i am also not *against* mandatory vaccination | 19:49 |
| de-facto | xx heh did you not know that Brainstorm can read minds? where do you think he got his nickname from? | 19:54 |
| * xx is scared now | 19:56 | |
| xx | Brainstorm: what number am I thinking of? | 19:56 |
| Brainstorm | xx: it wasn't a lethal disease, but I am coming from high, and don't need to be antivax. Together the authors clearly understand a broad range of virus families, can be cooked in a democracy | 19:56 |
| de-facto | %8ball can you read the mind of xx right now | 19:57 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, Outlook not so good | 19:57 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, Outlook not so good | 19:57 |
| xx | Outlook sucks | 19:57 |
| de-facto | he even knows how to deceive | 19:57 |
| de-facto | only wants to read minds when people dont expect him to do so | 19:58 |
| LjL | heh https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1475922603109978125 | 19:58 |
| de-facto | yeah LjL and each wave being 10-fold as many infections as the previous one or such | 19:59 |
| de-facto | people only believe what they wish for, rather than what they would have to observe if looking more closely for inconvenient facts | 20:00 |
| de-facto | (ok to be fair testing increased too, as do positivity rates though) | 20:00 |
| * LjL only believes what he fears | 20:04 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +226051 cases since 21 hours ago — United Kingdom: +115 deaths since 23 hours ago | 20:05 |
| de-facto | yeah damn, in Germany cases are going up again | 20:06 |
| de-facto | and containment is taken back | 20:06 |
| de-facto | repeating the same mistake over and over and over and over again: taking back rules to cut transmission paths too early | 20:07 |
| LjL | Italy too :( | 20:08 |
| LjL | i bet a few more countries | 20:08 |
| de-facto | as soon as cases dont grow anymore every press screaming: "openings! pandemic is over!" at the very *PEAK* of incidence | 20:08 |
| de-facto | then acting surprised if taking back restrictions increases reproduction number by opening more transmission paths hence daily new infections begin to rise again | 20:09 |
| de-facto | like as if the causal relation would not be simple enough for every young child to understand: stopping preventing to avoid risk scenarios for infections will of course instantly increase infections as long as the pathogen is in circulation | 20:10 |
| de-facto | but most people rather stick to their wishful thinking "the pandemic is over, blah, blubb" | 20:11 |
| de-facto | its far from over | 20:11 |
| de-facto | obviously | 20:11 |
| de-facto | and those people that rather follow their wishful thinking than work on their attitude towards observing reality instead for their estimate of the situation are most likely quite a contribution to that the pandemic is going to continue | 20:12 |
| de-facto | how many years will those people need to begin to wonder about the cause for the ever repeating pattern? will a decade be enough for them to begin to understand this? | 20:13 |
| de-facto | btw hospitalizations are rising too in Germany | 20:14 |
| xx | it's not gonna get better for germany taking the refugee crisis into account | 20:15 |
| xx | covid numbers will go up, significantly | 20:15 |
| de-facto | yeah but we are going to have to make the best out of it | 20:15 |
| de-facto | those refugees need help, hence they are going to get refuge and help | 20:15 |
| xx | bet you you'll get calls from "german nationalist" being angry that there's no space in hospitals for german grandma but there's space for ukrainian refugee | 20:16 |
| xx | you're in for some interesting times... | 20:16 |
| xx | assuming, you know, ww3 does not happen | 20:16 |
| de-facto | we will see, again we just have to make the best out of it | 20:16 |
| de-facto | i dont see the refugees being a major problem with COVID in Germany, we already have a LOT of infections ongoing | 20:18 |
| de-facto | with or without refugees, the thing that matters for COVID is closing down transmission paths | 20:18 |
| de-facto | and there I see the problem, soon the laws that ensure closing transmission paths will expire and then COVID may explode | 20:19 |
| xx | how is sigma, or whatever the new variant name is, doing? | 20:20 |
| de-facto | sigma? | 20:20 |
| de-facto | you mean BA.2? | 20:21 |
| de-facto | of Omicron or another one? | 20:21 |
| xx | I thought i read there was another one | 20:21 |
| xx | but I haven't been as focused as I used to be | 20:21 |
| xx | I don't mean BA.2, that's old | 20:21 |
| xx | I thought there literally was something new, and it was called Sigma | 20:21 |
| xx | looks like I must have been imagining it | 20:22 |
| de-facto | hmm i havent heard of sigma but i also did not look into details lately | 20:22 |
| de-facto | but Omicron BA.2 is on the rise, with increased transmissibility and also potentially with more symptoms afaik | 20:23 |
| de-facto | vaccine efficacy wearing down and also pathogen fitness increasing by breeding on new mutants, a combination that may lead to both, more infections and also increase hospitalization probability for each given infection | 20:26 |
| de-facto | seasonality may decrease infection probability at some point a bit, but mutants became so crazy infectious lately that they easily would be capable to also cause waves during summer time i guess | 20:27 |
| de-facto | like if seasonality gives an annual periodic pattern for reproduction number with an amplitude of around 40% that easily is compensated with one jump of viral evolution such as D614G, Alpha, Delta, Omicron etc | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Structural Dynamics and Molecular Evolution of the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/tbyuz9/structural_dynamics_and_molecular_evolution_of/ | 21:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Chinese provincial capital locks down as country's COVID cases rise: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Mar 11, 2022 In the US, a new study on Pfizer vaccine effectiveness in kids shows solid 2-dose COVID-19 protection. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/03/chinese-provincial-capital-locks-down-countrys-covid-cases-rise | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +23939 cases since 7 days ago — Spain: +18946 cases, +100 deaths since a day ago | 22:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Global COVID-19 deaths may be 3 times higher than recorded: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Mar 11, 2022 The global COVID death toll is closer to 18.2 million through 2021, with wide regional variations, data indicate. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/03/global-covid-19-deaths-may-be-3-times-higher-recorded | 22:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Mar 11, 2022: COVID-19 vaccination of kids US flu rebounds Flu vaccine ineffectiveness More polio positives in Israel → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/03/news-scan-mar-11-2022 | 22:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +73084 cases since 20 hours ago | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Delta-omicron recombinant virus no reason for panic, health experts say → https://arstechnica.com/?p=1840515 | 23:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Johnson&Johnson: South Africa Health Products Regulatory Authority Approves Dapivirine Ring Developed by the International Partnership for Microbicides: The dapivirine ring is the first long-acting HIV [... want %more?] → https://www.jnj.com/south-africa-health-products-regulatory-authority-approves-dapivirine-ring-developed-by-the-international-partnership-for-microbicides | 23:25 |
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