libera/##covid-19/ Wednesday, 2023-03-22

BrainstormUpdates for South Africa: +1482 cases since a day ago — Serbia: +1085 cases, +6 deaths, +9556 tests since a day ago — Montenegro: +75 cases, +1 deaths, +738 tests since a day ago — Ethiopia: +30 cases since a day ago00:02
ferretLjL-Matrix: i feel amazing00:16
TestBot1I00:59
TestBot1I feel amazing that I survived these pandemic years without a vaccination. Got covid about 4 times, including Delta variant - they were always mild. And around every corner I was labelled a conspiracy theorist, a piece of shit, I got banned from this channel so many times by LjL as well. I'm glad the narrative changed entirely00:59
LjLwhy hello01:00
LjLwhat narrative changed?01:00
LjLferret, don't feel too amazing, Paxlovid may stop working in the mistaken belief you're healed01:00
TestBot1the narrative about how you had to vaccinate even the babies and 6 months old infants. The narrative, vaccine fanatics like you have chosen, "do it for your neighbour" narrative. Coercion, "do it or you lose your job" narrative.01:01
TestBot1and then 3 years later, they finally release academic papers saying that the natural immunity is AT LEASt as strong01:02
TestBot1and in UK and Australia we no longer vaccinate people below certain age, because it doesn't make any sense01:02
TestBot1there will always be a voice that you won't be able to silence LjL . We will always be here01:03
ublxi don't think we ever wanted to silence you. we just wanted you to be somewhere else01:05
TestBot1I will always be here, you can't remove me, keep trying01:06
TestBot1involve the staff members again, try harder01:06
TestBot1I will keep watching you and what comes out of that ugly ignorant mouths of yours, people. You're just a bunch of fools, carrying the flag for the big pharma.01:09
TestBot1ugly vaccine fanatics01:09
ferretLjL: lol01:10
ferretthat was a troll01:10
LjLA_Dragon, please see above if you don't mind, as a heads-up01:11
LjL(i know there's nothing you can do at this point, but that sounds like someone will be back)01:11
LjLthis "bot" individual, ironically, disrupted my conversation with an actual bot01:12
LjL(yes, chatgpt)01:12
LjLwhich was being much much more interesting than the above01:12
ferretyou would have to be insane not to get vaccinated in the first place01:12
LjLand that's kinda why i went on to ignore this one01:13
LjLferret, you are vaccinated and even taking paxlovid but you're still insane, though01:13
ferretLjL: lol01:13
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Presented by CNN as a heartwarming story of surviving Covid, no measures for preventing a Covid infection in the first place were mentioned. → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/11y0e6b/presented_by_cnn_as_a_heartwarming_story_of/01:27
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: FDA Approval of Second COVID Booster May Be Near, Report Says: to protect people over 65 and others who are particularly vulnerable. → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/11y2c4j/fda_approval_of_second_covid_booster_may_be_near/02:33
ferretLjL: i have info02:50
ferretthe bad taste is only for the first day while taking paxlovid02:50
ferretother doses dont have that02:50
ferretso just the first two doses02:51
ferretmorning and night02:51
LjL-Matrixnice02:56
ferretribs hurt a little bit not sure what thats about lol03:01
BrainstormUpdates for Guatemala: +402 cases, +1 deaths, +7047 tests since a day ago03:59
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Bloom Lab (@jbloom_lab): Analyses of Jan 2020 samples is definitely worthwhile, because as @DrTedros rightly noted each piece of data is important for better understanding initial outbreak in Wuhan.But to identify actual origin of outbreak, we need details from Nov or early Dec 2019. → https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/163837398839214080104:01
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Bloom Lab (@jbloom_lab): See also this case timeline from an early paper: twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… If we ever learn origin of SARS2, I suspect it will come from information on cases or events that preceded those first reported cases. → https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/163837399214601830404:11
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): If you want to know what the hubbub over raccoon dogs, the Wuhan market, WHO, and GISAID was about, you'll want to read this.Technical, precise, and factual.Only one minor comment: Today's Zenodo paper was not a preprint as it is marked as not to [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/163838192835638476804:30
BrainstormUpdates for South Korea: +13081 cases, +9 deaths since a day ago — Malta: +149 cases, +2 deaths since 7 days ago — Germany: +7082 cases, +92 deaths since 19 hours ago — Pakistan: +136 cases, +1 deaths since a day ago05:01
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Jeremy Kamil, @macroliter : same handle elsewhere (@macroliter): I still can’t get over lab leakers defending China’s right to withhold data & prevent anyone else from analyzing it until they their paper is published in Nature. What if it never gets accepted? Are we just supposed to [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/macroliter/status/163838291934015488005:38
ferretLjL: can spread covid while on paxlovid06:23
ferretwith the virual load so low06:24
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): @jbloom_lab Modelled SARS-CoV2 positivity is independent of sampling bias - it corrects for that... It would only have been correlated if they had modelled absolute counts rather than proportions, which they didn't... → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/163841700713270886406:56
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | March 22, 2023: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/11ya86v/daily_discussion_thread_march_22_2023/08:03
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Biden signs legislation to declassify info on COVID-19 origins | 20MAR23 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/11yaszz/biden_signs_legislation_to_declassify_info_on/08:32
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Biden will release Covid-19 origin intelligence | 20MAR23 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/11yaxw8/biden_will_release_covid19_origin_intelligence/08:41
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): @jbloom_lab If the PCR negative result bothers you (& you take that as evidence that it was just environmental contamination - NGS SARS-CoV2 assembly was very short) there is also Q64 & Q68, which was SARS-CoV2 positive also by PCR & from which a bamboo rat [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/163844856549933056009:01
BrainstormUpdates for Brazil: +59163 cases, +283 deaths since 6 days ago — India: +1134 cases, +5 deaths, +97866 tests since a day ago10:07
BrainstormNew from ProPublica: Republican Rep. Jim Jordan Issues Sweeping Subpoenas to Universities Researching Disinformation: by Andrea Bernstein ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. House [... want %more?] → https://www.propublica.org/article/jim-jordan-disinformation-subpoena-universities10:29
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Human memory T cell dynamics after aluminum-adjuvanted inactivated whole-virion SARS-CoV-2 vaccination → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11ydjlu/human_memory_t_cell_dynamics_after/10:50
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Insulin lispro Sanofi, insulin lispro, Diabetes Mellitus, Date of authorisation: 19/07/2017, Revision: 8, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/insulin-lispro-sanofi11:19
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): The impact on the workforce was estimated to be very considerable in the early COVID-19 days, but this has also not materialised.theatlantic.com/health/archive… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163848517952932249611:29
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): The best available figures, then, suggest two things: first, that a significant number of patients do experience significant and potentially burdensome symptoms for several months after a SARS-CoV-2 infection, most of which resolve in less than a year; → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163848518162237030411:39
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Stabilization of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in wastewater via rapid RNA extraction → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11yf7a0/stabilization_of_sarscov2_rna_in_wastewater_via/11:59
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Hexyon, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (acellular, component), hepatitis B (rDNA), poliomyelitis (inactivated) and Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugate vaccine (adsorbed), Hepatitis [... want %more?] → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/hexyon12:29
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): And no, the vaccine causes an immune response. This inflammatory response can usually have mild side effects, as with all inflammation. Pretending C19 vaccines are very harmful is nonsense.thelancet.com/journals/lanin… pic.twitter.com/26Ju5DvNaq → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163850438129632870412:39
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): And yes, they have been compared to other vaccines, as of 1947, in over 400 million people! And, yes, they are very safe. But an inflammatory reaction can always cause, usually mild, symptoms.thelancet.com/journals/lanre… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163850438362416742712:49
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Deaths from undetected COVID-19 infections as a fraction of COVID-19 deaths can be used for early detection of an upcoming epidemic wave → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11yh2bj/deaths_from_undetected_covid19_infections_as_a/13:09
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: New survey finds COVID-19 pandemic changed public’s view of obesity | Health concerns trigger millions to consider new weight-loss methods for first time → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/11yhlz8/new_survey_finds_covid19_pandemic_changed_publics/13:38
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Hexacima, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (acellular, component), hepatitis B (rDNA), poliomyelitis (inactivated) and Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugate vaccine (adsorbed), Hepatitis [... want %more?] → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/hexacima14:08
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Global COVID Cases For 22MAR23: Summary As Of: 22MAR @ 12:49 GMT Countries 229 + 2 Cases 682,798,511 Deaths 6,821,650 Recovered 655,718,737 Active Cases 20,258,124 Countries reporting new cases: 80 Countries reporting new deaths: 46 Countries reporting increased Active [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/11yinrz/global_covid_cases_for_22mar23/14:18
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Long-term wastewater-based surveillance and impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on drug use trends in a U.S. Northeast rural town → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11yiwp4/longterm_wastewaterbased_surveillance_and_impacts/14:59
BrainstormUpdates for Russia: +12001 cases, +39 deaths since a day ago15:07
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: CEIRRNetwork (@CEIRRNetwork): Are you interested in studying Nipah virus, influenza A, and coronaviruses? Consider applying for a post-doc position in Dr. Emmie de Wit's lab by April 15th! Read more about the job posting here: ow.ly/IQRw50Np232 #hiring → https://twitter.com/CEIRRNetwork/status/163854864497349427315:41
BrainstormUpdates for Austria: +4625 cases, +12 deaths since a day ago — Afghanistan: +66 cases, +489 tests since a day ago16:09
LjL%tell ferret I don't really know. It is plausible that it'd be less likely with a low viral load from Paxlovid, but I don't think it has been studied, and this has all been full of surprises and unexpected things. At least remember that when you get *off* Paxlovid then the viral load will probably go up again.16:18
BrainstormLjL, I'll pass ferret aka Time-Warp your message when they are around.16:18
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: Effectiveness of Transcranial Direct Current in Patients With Persistent COVID-19 With Headaches and Chronic Pain.: Conditions :    COVID-19;   Long COVID;   Long Covid19;   SARS CoV 2 Infection;   Persistent COVID-19;   Migraine Disorders;   Headaches Chronic;   Cluster Headache; [... want %more?] → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0578045016:20
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Service message: A new version of this bot is available, please see https://ems-docs.element.io/books/element-cloud-documentation/page/migrate-to-the-new-github-and-feeds-bots for instructions on how to migrate. This bot will remain functional for the time being, but can no longer be configured.16:25
undefined_bobohh new bot version16:26
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: Recrudescence of Eating Conduct Disorders and Covid-19: Conditions :    Psychiatric Disorder;   Eating Disorders in Adolescence;   COVID-19 → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0578024216:29
LjLundefined_bob, that's the Matrix bot though which is not used here except for maybe a couple of things still. There is no new Brainstorm version, just for the avoidance of doubt.16:31
undefined_bobLjL: ohh eww I didn't know16:37
undefined_bobI dont like matrix at all. But I like Brainstorm16:38
LjL-MatrixUnfortunately my actual bot is stuck on Python 2.7 so there's not a lot I can improve unless I port it to 3 first16:38
LjL-MatrixWell, most of this channel's users are on Matrix :P16:38
undefined_boboh no you too!16:38
undefined_bobbut your bot works fine so far, doesn't it? Not sure what could be done to him to improve him16:39
LjL-MatrixDon't fret, I've no intention to move this channel to Matrix. But it has been bridged for a long time, and due to Matrix users being virtually all on a bouncer in IRC terms, they're many more than the IRC users16:39
LjL-MatrixOh, a lot of stuff16:39
LjL-MatrixAsk Timvde how wonderful the code that outputs the feeds is16:40
undefined_bobnot so nice?16:40
LjL-MatrixMaybe :P16:41
undefined_bobya, I know. Matrix users are just a bit 'noisy' sometimes, in my opinion. But yes, the channel is bridged for like 2.5 or 3 years, I think16:41
LjLMatrix users have their own gripes over IRC users, and sometimes they're justified too, rest assured16:41
undefined_bobI think so16:42
LjLThey're just different environments and people always see "different" as "bad", especially when it intrudes into what they already know16:42
undefined_bobno no its not bad16:42
LjLso personally I'm kind of convinced, though it doesn't make me happy, that at some point there will be a bigger spat and the bridging will be gone16:42
LjL(not in this channel in particular, just generally)16:42
undefined_bobits just, I think its easier for people to get into matrix than directly into irc. So its a different kind of people, I guess16:43
LjLSay, I've made a number of polls in this channel last night. Nobody cared about them, but if they had, they might have discussed them, and... on IRC, you couldn't see them at all, because the bridge doesn't know what to do with them! So everyone would have been confused, and misunderstandings often lead to arguments16:43
LjLundefined_bob, it's still pretty much a niche, though. Most "regular" people know WhatsApp and maybe Telegram.16:44
undefined_bobya, irc is not up for fancy stuff like polls :P16:44
undefined_boboh, I'm sorry, work is over for today. I need to leave the office. I'll be back tomorrow. Take care and see you :)16:45
LjLsee ya16:45
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Study of HS-10517 in Chinese Adult Participants → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0577957916:49
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: Quality of Life 1y and 2 y After VV-ECMO for COVID-19: Conditions :    COVID-19 Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome;   Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation Complication;   Quality of Life;   Death → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0578025516:59
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): LY3819253 (LY-CoV555) for Inpatients With COVID-19 (An ACTIV-3/TICO Treatment Trial) → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0578026817:10
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Notes from the Field: The First Case of Co-Infection with Omicron Subvariants BA.5.2.48 and BF.7.14 — Chongqing Municipality, China, February 2023 → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/11yo8jd/notes_from_the_field_the_first_case_of/17:29
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Potential of 3-year protection from Covid with a broad neutralizing antibody science.org/doi/10.1126/sc… @ScienceTM pic.twitter.com/nHQlkt7Dnb → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/163860287787383603219:10
ferretafter 2 days of paxlovid testing negitive on antagen test19:58
Brainstormferret: At 2023-03-22 15:18:49 UTC, LjL told you: I don't really know. It is plausible that it'd be less likely with a low viral load from Paxlovid, but I don't think it has been studied, and this has all been full of surprises and unexpected things. At least remember that when you get *off* Paxlovid then the viral load will probably go up again.19:58
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Canada's stockpile of ventilators up from 500 to 27,000 after push to procure them → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/11ys2bu/canadas_stockpile_of_ventilators_up_from_500_to/19:59
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: COVID-19: Doctors' Group Says to Recall Vaccine - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons | 22MAR23 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/11ytnkx/covid19_doctors_group_says_to_recall_vaccine_aaps/20:28
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Long COVID: aiming for a consensus → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11yu46w/long_covid_aiming_for_a_consensus/20:48
LjL-Matrixferret: do NOT stop taking it though, continue for the prescribed period, that's absolutely necessary20:54
de-facto%title https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variants-genomic-surveillance21:16
Brainstormde-facto: From covid.cdc.gov: CDC COVID Data Tracker21:16
de-facto%title https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions21:16
Brainstormde-facto: From covid.cdc.gov: CDC COVID Data Tracker21:16
de-facto its most likely going to be Omicron XBB.1.5 in US21:16
de-factoferret, ^^21:16
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ferret:o21:26
de-factobtw ferret how are you doing there?21:36
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: What Globe readers want you to know about living with long COVID → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/11yvnct/what_globe_readers_want_you_to_know_about_living/21:37
ferretde-facto: the data tracker?21:50
ferretlooking at the regional variant proprtions now21:50
ferret.%21:51
ferret90.2%21:51
ferretthats insane21:51
de-factoyeah its the predominant variant by now, depending from where you got it you most likely have some version of that variant id assume21:52
ferretde-facto: this version has physadelic effects21:56
ferreti had some strange dreams and hallucinating before starting paxlovid21:56
de-factohmm could be, brainfog etc, effect comes from the immune response most likely. just drink enough and get good food/sleep and you will kill it22:11
LjLfurther specification: don't drink *alcohol*22:27
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): A conclusion that is also further supported if one fits a binomial GAM 2D tensor spline to SARS-CoV2 positivity rates per stall. Same conclusion - samples taken in the SW corner of the market where wildlife products were being sold were more likely to test [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/163865412563307315422:37
de-factoyeah i meant stay hydrated of course23:05
ferret:D23:06
BrainstormNew from Outbreak News Today: DRC: 1,800 suspected cases of the typhoid fever reported in Kwango province: NewsDesk @bactiman63 Since the beginning of 2023, a total of 1,800 suspected cases of the typhoid fever epidemic, including 12 deaths, have been notified in [... want %more?] → http://outbreaknewstoday.com/drc-1800-suspected-cases-of-the-typhoid-fever-reported-in-kwango-province-52183/23:26
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): PS2 Lot's of things one could still try of course. E.g. add the logits of the share of reads mapping to different animals sampled in each stall as covariates, cf github.com/sars-cov-2-ori…. But maybe I'll leave that to @acritschristoph @niemasd @flodebarre :-) → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/163867058612048281823:46

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