| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: SARS-CoV-2 sublingual vaccine with RBD antigen and poly(I:C) adjuvant: Preclinical study in cynomolgus macaques | Biology Methods and Protocols → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/16klkqf/sarscov2_sublingual_vaccine_with_rbd_antigen_and/ | 01:41 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Sore throat, then congestion: Common Covid symptoms follow a pattern now, doctors say → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/16kodwb/sore_throat_then_congestion_common_covid_symptoms/ | 03:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Bashing covid boosters, DeSantis contrasts with Trump and worries experts → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/16koi9r/bashing_covid_boosters_desantis_contrasts_with/ | 04:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 1045: Less Lassa, CRISPR RNA viruses: TWiV reviews a Lassa virus mRNA vaccine that confers protection against disease without inducing neutralizing antibodies, and a CRISPR-based method for engineering the genome of RNA viruses. → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-1045/ | 06:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Weekly Discussion Thread | Week of September 17, 2023: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/16ktvwa/weekly_discussion_thread_week_of_september_17_2023/ | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronavirusUK: XBB.1.5 vaccine from 25 September in Scotland → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/16kxay0/xbb15_vaccine_from_25_september_in_scotland/ | 12:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Covid levels high – near 2020’s initial peak - WHO urges at high risk to booster → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/16ky6yq/covid_levels_high_near_2020s_initial_peak_who/ | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Outbreak News Today: South Dakota report 1st anthrax cases of 2023 in a Ziebach county beef herd: NewsDesk @bactiman63 In a news release from South Dakota State Veterinarian, Beth Thompson, JD, DVM, it is reported that anthrax has been confirmed in [... want %more?] → https://outbreaknewstoday.com/south-dakota-report-1st-anthrax-cases-of-2023-in-a-ziebach-county-beef-herd-17097/ | 14:32 |
| qtnsprra | hello | 18:37 |
| qtnsprra | so how many anti-vaxxers are here? | 18:40 |
| nicks | im fully boosted | 18:41 |
| qtnsprra | hoq mNY? | 18:41 |
| qtnsprra | read https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/blob/master/COVID-19-chat.md for some guidance. | 18:41 |
| qtnsprra | sorry there's an odd problem here | 18:42 |
| qtnsprra | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/16/new-covid-vaccine-booster-shot-faq | 18:42 |
| qtnsprra | there we go | 18:42 |
| qtnsprra | it looks like there's a new one for september | 18:42 |
| qtnsprra | that makes what, eight? | 18:43 |
| qtnsprra | what did you call people who told you it wouldn't end with just one? | 18:43 |
| qtnsprra | what did you do to them? | 18:43 |
| dTal | who? | 18:46 |
| qtnsprra | THE WHO | 18:46 |
| qtnsprra | try reading your scrollback dTal | 18:47 |
| qtnsprra | two lines | 18:47 |
| dTal | Perhaps I was unclear. Who are you addressing, when you say things like "what did you do to them?" | 18:48 |
| qtnsprra | i was addressing nicks | 18:48 |
| qtnsprra | maybe you know this dTal how many covid shots has the science now pushed on people? | 18:50 |
| qtnsprra | sorry, i meant "The Science™" | 18:50 |
| dTal | I've been asked by my government to get 3 shots, and I've got all 3. | 18:51 |
| qtnsprra | oh so you're an anti-vaxxer too! | 18:51 |
| dTal | Two were in the original vaccine schedule. | 18:51 |
| qtnsprra | why didn't you get all eight? | 18:51 |
| dTal | I haven't been offered more than the initial pair, and a single booster. | 18:52 |
| qtnsprra | 'offered'? | 18:52 |
| qtnsprra | you were... "offered" them? | 18:52 |
| dTal | Yes, offered. | 18:52 |
| qtnsprra | where do you live that you were not compelled to take them? | 18:53 |
| qtnsprra | and why did you stop taking them? | 18:53 |
| dTal | Are there countries where you're arrested and strapped to a gurney? | 18:53 |
| qtnsprra | no | 18:53 |
| qtnsprra | you lost your job | 18:53 |
| qtnsprra | why are you such a liar? | 18:53 |
| qtnsprra | is it because you work for the government? | 18:54 |
| * dTal loses interest | 18:54 | |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Brain fog fatigue and lightheaded feeling post covid? → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/16l5nyl/brain_fog_fatigue_and_lightheaded_feeling_post/ | 18:58 |
| qtnsprra | are you still in favor of the covid passports? the requirement to have proof of injection to enter a restaurant or bar? | 19:27 |
| dTal | Do you find you get good results with this conversation style, where you try to goad people into arguments by attacking people for positions they haven't expressed? | 19:31 |
| dTal | I mean you do you, but I find it extremely off-putting, and I would imagine that's a common reaction. | 19:31 |
| qtnsprra | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37091988/ | 19:41 |
| qtnsprra | i know very well that people were banned here for sharing the evidence for lab origin | 19:41 |
| qtnsprra | and that makes you a liar, dTal | 19:42 |
| qtnsprra | SARS-CoV-2 awakens ancient retroviral genes and the expression of proinflammatory HERV-W envelope protein in COVID-19 patients | 19:42 |
| dTal | Are you sure they weren't banned for being dickheads? | 19:44 |
| qtnsprra | shall we look at the pubmed paper? | 19:44 |
| dTal | Because we're all very open to discussion in here, but the kind of nasty rhetoric you're employing is frowned upon. | 19:45 |
| dTal | Let me illustrate the difference: | 19:45 |
| qtnsprra | i'll leave the discussion out of it then and share research exclusively | 19:45 |
| qtnsprra | there may be one or two people here looking for it | 19:46 |
| dTal | OKAY: "I think that on the balance of probability, Covid-19 originated from laboratory experimentation. Here is some evidence which I believe backs this up. I believe this information has been suppressed by people with conflicts of interests - here is some evidence which backs this up." | 19:46 |
| dTal | NOT OKAY: "why are you such a liar?" | 19:47 |
| dTal | make sense? | 19:47 |
| qtnsprra | [not medical advice] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36304538/ The potential of heparin-induced extracorporeal LDL/fibrinogen precipitation (H.E.L.P.)-apheresis for patients with severe acute or chronic COVID-19 | 19:51 |
| qtnsprra | (Fibrinogen down 50-70%, procoagulant precursors down 35-50%, reduced LDL-C, LP9a), VLDL, lipid nanoparticles) | 19:52 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> Oh look, trolly activity, the best kind of activity | 20:01 |
| qtnsprra | from the penultimate paper, NLVKNKCVNFNFNGLTGTGV novel sequences for novel viruses \o/ | 20:03 |
| qtnsprra | those clever pangolins... | 20:03 |
| qtnsprra | will you get your september booster with that NLVKNKCVNFNFNGLTGTGV goodness, LjL? | 20:05 |
| qtnsprra | oh sorry that's from this new paper. this is cutting edge https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373750467_SARS-CoV-2_Spike_amyloid_fibrils_specifically_and_selectively_accelerates_amyloid_fibril_formation_of_human_prion_protein_and_the_amyloid_b_peptide | 20:07 |
| dTal | you're still doing it | 20:08 |
| qtnsprra | alright then, something simpler. Did anyone notice the FDA has taken up 'horse paste' in its approved treatment protocols? | 20:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Concurrent administration of COVID-19 and influenza vaccines enhances Spike-specific antibody responses → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/16l7nix/concurrent_administration_of_covid19_and/ | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> I did not notice. I assume you mean ivermectin. Linkie? | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> (I won't take a September booster because I will not be offered any booster in September) | 20:23 |
| dTal | LjL: qtnsprra struggles with that concept apparently | 20:31 |
| dTal | I explained that I was offered 3 jabs, and accepted all 3, and was asked "why did you stop taking them" and called a liar all the same | 20:32 |
| qtnsprra | Perhaps yo ushould register a complaint then; the new boosters are available. | 20:55 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> "Available"? Where? To whom? That word could mean anything | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> I cannot register a complaint. I am more interested in the invermectin being sanctioned by the FDA thing | 21:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Marc Veldhoen on Mastodon: (news): Such a vaccine could successfully stop the autoimmune reaction associated with a multiple-sclerosis-like disease in mice, EAE and other autoimmune responses tested, A very promising approach that awaits clinical testing. → https://mastodon.online/@marc_veld/111082007114158104 | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol on Mastodon: (news): “A new type of vaccine… has shown in the lab setting that it can completely reverse autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis and type 1 diabetes—all without shutting down the rest of the immune system.” → https://mstdn.social/@erictopol/111082217388851476 | 21:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Sore throat, then congestion: Common Covid symptoms follow a pattern now, doctors say → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/16lap5h/sore_throat_then_congestion_common_covid_symptoms/ | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> qtnsprra: please, do provide a reference to FDA approving horse paste as a treatment for COVID, both because I'm interested in it and because it would be a bit anticlimatic to throw news like that into here and then never letting others look it up | 23:09 |
| qtnsprra | i just recall reading this, i don't have it handy | 23:12 |
| qtnsprra | https://www.fda.news/2023-08-16-fda-admits-doctors-allowed-prescribe-ivermectin-covid.html | 23:14 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> qtnsprra, of course they are "allowed" to prescribe it... off-label, like any other drug that is approved by the FDA (and ivermectin is approved by the FDA, just not for COVID). | 23:15 |
| qtnsprra | Doctors have seen their medical licenses threatened and they have been removed from their medical positions for prescribing the exceptionally safe [1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5Dmedication. | 23:15 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fda-ivermectin-covid-idUSL1N3AB1PS | 23:16 |
| qtnsprra | i am experiencing some interference, apologies | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> Yes, well, prescribing off-label drugs can have consequences. | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> But they are legally allowed to do it. | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> None of that says that the FDA *approved the drug for COVID treatment*. They didn't. | 23:16 |
| qtnsprra | ah i see they only backtracked in response to the lawsuit | 23:17 |
| qtnsprra | it would have been surprising if mz Walenski had done this indeed | 23:18 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> What | 23:20 |
| qtnsprra | or is she gone now | 23:20 |
| qtnsprra | rochele | 23:20 |
| LjL | you're clearly here in bad faith | 23:20 |
| LjL | hence, bye | 23:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Marc Veldhoen on Mastodon: (news): They cared deeply about institutions, ideals, justice, procedure, and the courts. This is more abstract, less emotional, and often harder for people to follow and support. Dreyfus, like COVID or any other big or small upset, laid bare what was already there. → https://mastodon.online/@marc_veld/111082568237026670 | 23:21 |
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