| nemo | when is ascii EOL? | 03:59 |
|---|---|---|
| golinux | nemo: When stretch is EOL | 04:07 |
| nemo | kk | 04:09 |
| nemo | 2022-06-30 seems | 04:12 |
| nemo | that's plenty | 04:12 |
| Wonka | hmf. "pdns-server" has lost /etc/init.d/pdns, only a systemd unit file left... | 14:21 |
| Wonka | pdns-server_4.1.6-3_amd64.deb still has /etc/init.d/pdns, pdns-server_4.3.0-5_amd64.deb doesn't. | 14:23 |
| Wonka | "Upstream has moved around socket dir and there are known issues with the init scripts. Operators will be better off just using the systemd units instead." *sigh* | 14:25 |
| Wonka | _what_ issues, please? | 14:25 |
| DPA | network-manager did it too: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=964139 | 14:47 |
| xinomilo | at least pdns has put somekind of explanation for that | 15:11 |
| xinomilo | network-manager maintainer just does whatever he likes, and doesn't give a sh*t .. | 15:12 |
| DPA | Maybe someone should make a backup of them, before they are all gone. | 15:25 |
| fsmithred | network-manager 1.26.2-1+devuan1 is already in ceres | 15:27 |
| brocashelm | yes, got that one installed | 15:29 |
| ranix | network-manager is a piece of shit and the maintainer is an asshole, anyone who uses it deserves what they get | 16:30 |
| ranix | back in my day we used /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts and liked it | 16:32 |
| mason | ranix: You can still use those, although I've always found them awkward. | 16:32 |
| * mason ♥s ifupdown for network configuration. | 16:33 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | Seems a pretty troll move to remove working code with no explanation on software used by a lot of people... | 16:45 |
| ranix | it's not a troll move it's a power play | 16:46 |
| r3boot | it's offtopic even ;) | 16:46 |
| ranix | it's not offtopic, devuan is going to have to fork yet another package if this guy keeps his sandy vagina dry | 16:47 |
| r3boot | then the focus should be on the package, not vagina's | 16:47 |
| r3boot | Also, this is something that is going to happen more often in the future, so discussing /some/ plan to prepare for that is probably more useful | 16:48 |
| ranix | fair enough | 16:48 |
| r3boot | I get it from a software developer pov; Since all the major linux distro's are systemd-based, it makes sense to support a unit file + drop the rc script. (less support calls) | 16:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sorry that was probably a topic more suited to #debianfork | 16:52 |
| ranix | that would be arguable - but he didn't make that argument. He dropped the init script with no explanation whatsoever, ignored the bug reports, and marked them 'wishlist' severity | 16:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Is there some way to ship the scripts in like a shim separate from the debian package or is that not ideal? Is it just better to make "+devuan" packages at that point. | 16:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's the wishlist that rubs salt in it TBH | 16:54 |
| phogg | that nm bug is pretty damning. | 16:55 |
| r3boot | It's still their choice to make, so either fork it, or deal with it ;) j/k | 16:55 |
| r3boot | But I think a +devuan package should work just fine in these cases | 16:56 |
| r3boot | Or maybe even something like devuan-rcscripts, which has rc scripts for everything that needs them, together with some tooling which detects the installed applications, and enables the corresponding rc scripts. | 16:57 |
| r3boot | Or a generator based on the unit file that come with the services (although this one will probably generate some flak :P) | 16:57 |
| ranix | you would need to update devuan-rcscripts fairly frequently depending on the number of supported daemons | 16:57 |
| r3boot | Correct | 16:58 |
| ranix | it'd be a temporary solution though | 16:58 |
| r3boot | but it saves you from having a lot of +devuan packages | 16:58 |
| ranix | and it serves as a list of affected daemons | 16:58 |
| r3boot | In all practicalness, I do think that +devuan is the most clean solution | 16:58 |
| phogg | a generator based on a unit file seems harmless, but I would still want the generated script packaged with the .deb and not have the unit file ever land on my systems | 16:59 |
| r3boot | Or maybe the powerdns team needs some encouragement from ppl still using that rc script, to re-include it, who knows | 16:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the idea of having all them script when you may only need one isn't ideal either | 17:41 |
| golinux | Talking about doing is not actually doing | 18:18 |
| golinux | And indeed that is more suited for offtopic channels. | 18:18 |
| rowbee | i'm surprised #964139 isn't CLOSED WONTFIX, however setting it to wishlist makes it pretty much that alreadyu | 18:55 |
| rowbee | i think the worst part is the 0 explanation. _why_ remove the init scripts? _why_ is it not a bug? | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | dick-headedness | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | bbl | 18:57 |
| wgytfr78 | My privats videos skype webcam 400gb links open in Tor Browser gg.gg/m7dgu | 19:10 |
| xango | !!!!! | 19:32 |
| infobot | \"Multiple exclamation marks,\" he went on, shaking his head, \"are a sure sign of a diseased mind.\" - Terry Pratchett, Eric | 19:32 |
| Ryushin | Yay. Got Devuan running in a loop image on my Samsung Android Tablet. Just waiting for my Thinkpad Bluetooth keyboard to get here next week and I'll be set. | 21:36 |
| yooz | Hello, Devuan...hope this is the right place for this. I'm pretty desperate for help. Brevity is not a strong suit of mine, but if anybody is willing/available, I'll try to keep things short re: my issue. TIA | 21:47 |
| golinux | Just tell us your issue. You don't need an invitation | 22:01 |
| golinux | yooz: ^^^ | 22:01 |
| ranix | dontasktoask.com | 22:01 |
| golinux | But before you post, please read the Release Notes if you haven't already | 22:05 |
| yooz | My laptop was stolen recently..along with phone and all backups (2FA, KDBX, etc). I don't usually keep these together...long story. As luck would have it, my SSD was not in the laptop at the time. I still have it but I'm having difficulty accessing it from another machine. I'm trying to get to the one KDBX file left that I can (maybe?) access in my LUKS Home partition. I know the pw. | 22:05 |
| golinux | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt | 22:06 |
| ranix | what do you mean you're having difficulty accessing the ssd from another machine | 22:07 |
| golinux | WOW! That's quite a story. | 22:07 |
| ranix | because it's encrypted? | 22:08 |
| yooz | I know, I know...I was robbed leaving a poker room in Houston. I have the police report, I know this sounds ridiculous. I was in a rental car and that was stolen along with phone, laptop backpack and everything in it. | 22:08 |
| ranix | do you have a backup of your LUKS headers | 22:08 |
| ranix | or is the luks header present on this disk | 22:09 |
| yooz | no, bc in my haste to purchase another laptop and access, I bought maybe the worst Linux machine there is. It seems. A HP x360 Envy. I can't get Devuan to even load on this things. I've tried accessing it from live distros that WILL run. No dice. I'm doing something wrong. I'm new (1yr with Linux). | 22:09 |
| ranix | accessing the drive from another machine will require decrypting the partition you want to access, because you've encrypted it with LUKS | 22:10 |
| ranix | is this the boot drive from the lost machine? | 22:10 |
| yooz | Yes, it's a NVMe drive (not sure if matters). Only had Devuan. boot, home, root partitions | 22:11 |
| yooz | I hoped that I could just plop it into new laptop and voila | 22:11 |
| ranix | can you get another machine to boot from that drive | 22:11 |
| yooz | not so much, I see | 22:11 |
| yooz | not this one, no | 22:12 |
| ranix | how far does it get before it fails | 22:12 |
| yooz | it recognizes that a disk is there...the disk check is fine. But it never tries to boot and does not show as an option in bios | 22:12 |
| rennj | truecrypt/veracrypt would have been plop it into new laptop and voila | 22:12 |
| ranix | does your bios not support booting via efi or something | 22:13 |
| yooz | I've been attempting to access it from Gnome Disks via live mediums | 22:13 |
| rennj | oh and the code has been audited | 22:13 |
| ranix | or do you maybe have efi boot turned off | 22:14 |
| ranix | in bios | 22:14 |
| yooz | it's a very new laptop, I might get the jargon wrong but pretty sure it's UEFI. I turned off secure boot, TPM module is available....is that an issue? TPM from the old laptop?? | 22:14 |
| ranix | perhaps the problem is the opposite of that and you're unable to boot via a non-uefi bootloader | 22:15 |
| ranix | and you need to turn uefi off | 22:15 |
| ranix | do you remember whether or not your booatloader was uefi on the disk | 22:15 |
| yooz | My old laptop was an Acer515, had option for AHCI (ACHI?) or Optane. I had it on the former. This laptop does not have this switch. | 22:15 |
| yooz | does that relate to uefi? again, forgive my ignorance. | 22:16 |
| ranix | idk | 22:16 |
| yooz | my other laptop was UEFI, I'm fairly certain | 22:17 |
| yooz | I boot into live Mint usb, Tails, etc...no problem. But Devuan even on USB will not boot | 22:17 |
| yooz | Oh, and this...I get "Failed to read/write IOMMU...." every time | 22:17 |
| yooz | no matter the distro | 22:17 |
| yooz | at boot | 22:17 |
| ranix | I think if you had the worst possible case, your keys were on the tpm and as a result you were totally unable to load your luks partition, you would at least get to grub | 22:18 |
| ranix | it sounds like you have not yet gotten that far | 22:18 |
| yooz | I don't think so. Again, Devuan will not boot on a new USB image. It goes to black screen and solid, non-blinking cursor at top right. | 22:19 |
| yooz | top left...sorry | 22:19 |
| ranix | that's what would happen if you tried to boot an efi device without using efi | 22:19 |
| ranix | i.e. if I install devuan on my usb stick with a uefi bootloader and tell my bios to boot directly from the disk and not via uefi that would happen to me | 22:20 |
| yooz | OK, so there is no "legacy" option or the like in my bios. Would turning secure boot on and loading the "HP defualts" for this have anything to do with that? | 22:20 |
| ranix | it sounds like you are trying to use legacy boot and not efi boot | 22:20 |
| ranix | and need to do the opposite | 22:21 |
| ranix | I'll duck out in case someone else here knows more, that's all I can do for you | 22:21 |
| yooz | OK, thank you very much for your help. | 22:21 |
| golinux | yooz: Next time stay in quarantine | 22:28 |
| yooz | ^no doubt. I was dumb. | 22:29 |
| yooz | I'm a bit more isolated than most..but I've given enough sob story. I just hope that I can access my keepass file. I can access it with a yubikey if I can get to it. Feel like I'm close...but so far. | 22:31 |
| golinux | Hope everything works out for you | 22:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | why not boot your live image and mount the luks system from there? | 22:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if you had a mint or other distro working? | 22:42 |
| yooz | I should be able to do this from the Gnome Disks gui, or no? | 22:43 |
| yooz | that's what I've tried | 22:43 |
| yooz | from mint, it tells me the PW is incorrect or not a LUKS partition. I'm almost certain that I've got the PW, right. I could be off on the last digit or two. Could I use Hashcat in that case? The password is only 6-7 chars and I'm 100% certain on the first four. | 22:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no idea, when i use LUKS I just mount using my file manager. I suppose there will be some CLI option. | 22:48 |
| fsmithred | blkid will tell you which partitions are LUKS | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | you could mount from command line or.. | 22:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Brute forcing a decent 7 char password would likely take a few months or so? | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | if you can boot live media, you could get to grub command line and boot the drive | 22:53 |
| yooz | I know the first 4 digits with 100% certainty, six | 22:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | although you have a few chars I suppose | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | one two or three unknown | 22:53 |
| yooz | right | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | one/only | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | won't take long | 22:54 |
| yooz | i could do one only myself hunt n peck style on the keyboard | 22:54 |
| yooz | 2-3...gonna need some help | 22:54 |
| yooz | I began to wonder if I was even attempting something possible (mounting it from Mint live in Disks gui). You guys have given me some more direction with the UEFI/Legacy situation and sixwheeledbeast, I think I will continue to try to mount the partition from a live medium. I'm going to get back to it and see if I can figure this out. | 22:56 |
| yooz | thank you all for the input | 22:56 |
| yooz | one last thing, I can load Mint live...the UEFI/Legacy thing is moot as far as trying to mount the partition, right? | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | right | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | once you boot, the uefi is irrelevant | 22:57 |
| yooz | I should be able to mount the Home partition from another distro, like Mint regardless? | 22:58 |
| yooz | ok | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | yes | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sd... some-label | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | mount /dev/mapper/some-label /some-mountpoint | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | or maybe /dev/nvme-whatever | 22:59 |
| aitor | hi | 23:14 |
| yooz | "Error: /dev/nvme0n1p3 is not a valid LUKS volume, or you don't have permission to access it." | 23:35 |
| yooz | using bruteforce-luks to eek out the last 2-3 chars, this is the error I'm getting | 23:35 |
| yooz | sudo cryptsetup luksDump /dev/nvme0n1p3 = expected output, AFAIK. anyone know what the permission issue would be? TIA | 23:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | just the generic response that the password is wrong? | 23:41 |
| yooz | that's the error when I attempt: bruteforce-luks -t 6 -l 6 -m 7 -b "****" /dev/nvme0n1p3 | 23:42 |
| yooz | 6 threads, 6minimum chars, 7 max, beginning of PW "****" | 23:43 |
| yooz | sudo or no, permission error | 23:44 |
| Guest20811 | sudo chown -R yooz /dev/nvme0n1p3? | 23:51 |
| yooz | i had tried that but no. I didn't recursive at first but didn't change outcome | 23:55 |
| yooz | I made backup of the header, btw. Pretty sure I got that right, not sure if any if this can be destructive | 23:57 |
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