willow | i gotta get an account to see devuan arm : ( | 00:08 |
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golinux | willow: Makes it easy to manage the channel. | 00:19 |
* ShorTie Thinkz, yup, Parts: willow | 00:44 | |
Wafficus | question regarding the TTY prompt for Devuan | 02:28 |
Wafficus | is there a way to customize it? | 02:28 |
Wafficus | cna't find a solid way to customize the font, colors, etc | 02:28 |
buZz | Wafficus: what do you mean by a TTY prompt | 02:29 |
Wafficus | I do happen to use TMUX, but the colors between the terminal TTY prompt don't match what's present on the urxvt terminal when I boot into AwesomeWM | 02:29 |
buZz | textmode console? | 02:29 |
buZz | or a terminal inside X | 02:29 |
Wafficus | yeah with Ctrl + Alt + F3 | 02:29 |
buZz | ah, X | 02:29 |
buZz | right, X colors dont match textmode colors | 02:29 |
Wafficus | well, ideally the text mode console within Ctrl + Alt + F4, or stuff like that | 02:29 |
Wafficus | ah gotcha | 02:29 |
Wafficus | how do I go about mucking around with fonts and colors for text mode stuff | 02:29 |
buZz | they could , but you'd have to make a full pallette for it | 02:30 |
buZz | typically , nobody uses textmode console at all since the 80s | 02:30 |
Wafficus | well, I kinda want to | 02:30 |
buZz | but, there's some tools for it | 02:30 |
Wafficus | just more as a challenge to force myself to use Tmux and terminal apps | 02:30 |
buZz | my X experience is just running xterms | 02:30 |
buZz | so i dont understand the need, but ok | 02:30 |
buZz | there's 'loadfont' | 02:31 |
buZz | afaik you do something like loadfont < /usr/share/consolefonts/something | 02:31 |
buZz | the colors on textmode arent changeable | 02:31 |
buZz | the palette i mean | 02:31 |
buZz | but, you can edit the palette on urxvt to match, if you really want to | 02:32 |
Wafficus | well | 02:33 |
Wafficus | that's the thing | 02:33 |
buZz | what is? | 02:33 |
Wafficus | Idk what's the default "terminal" that's loaded on the text mode console | 02:33 |
Wafficus | if that makes sense | 02:33 |
Wafficus | like I don't even know what to look up to customize | 02:33 |
buZz | getty? | 02:33 |
Wafficus | is that it? | 02:33 |
Wafficus | getty? | 02:33 |
buZz | its not a terminal anyway | 02:33 |
buZz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_(Unix) | 02:33 |
buZz | getty, short for "get tty", is a Unix program running on a host computer that manages physical or virtual terminals (TTYs). When it detects a connection, it prompts for a username and runs the 'login' program to authenticate the user. | 02:34 |
Wafficus | ah gotcha | 02:37 |
Wafficus | so its not even the real terminal in the truest sense | 02:37 |
Wafficus | gotcha | 02:37 |
Wafficus | hmm | 02:37 |
buZz | well, its a truer terminal | 02:37 |
gnarface | there haven't been real terminals for decades | 02:37 |
buZz | xterm/rxvt is called a 'terminal emulator' | 02:37 |
Wafficus | right, I get that | 02:37 |
Wafficus | I'm just wondering if I should then try doing Devuan min install, and just see if I can rice that | 02:38 |
gnarface | yes | 02:38 |
Wafficus | but without X | 02:38 |
gnarface | you should, as a good exercise | 02:38 |
buZz | i dont see a point to avoid X , really | 02:38 |
Wafficus | eh, just a fun little thing | 02:38 |
Wafficus | I mostly use stuff in Tmux | 02:38 |
Wafficus | Newsboat, Neomutt, Ranger, Transmission, w3m, etc | 02:39 |
buZz | mplayer -vo caca analporn.mp4 | 02:39 |
buZz | :) | 02:39 |
Wafficus | so I don't really need a true GUI browser | 02:39 |
Wafficus | lol yeah I forgot | 02:39 |
Wafficus | you can do mplayer with caca right in a terminal to view videos right? | 02:39 |
buZz | hasciicam | 02:39 |
buZz | thats by one of the founders of devuan :D | 02:39 |
gnarface | use one of the netinstall isos, pick expert mode, and when you get to the tasksel step, uncheck everything but "standard system utilities" | 02:39 |
buZz | yes, mplayer is a media player | 02:39 |
buZz | incl video | 02:39 |
Wafficus | wow that worked | 02:41 |
Wafficus | mpv -vo caca (name of video) | 02:41 |
Wafficus | even in terminal | 02:41 |
Wafficus | now THAT is cool | 02:41 |
buZz | yes , its been working for >10 years | 02:42 |
buZz | actually, probably for ~15 years now | 02:42 |
Wafficus | buZz: hmm, tell me more cool stuff like that | 02:42 |
buZz | cmatrix? | 02:43 |
Wafficus | I ask because its the small things that blow my mind dude | 02:43 |
buZz | mtr? | 02:43 |
buZz | cacafire? | 02:43 |
buZz | bb? <- the demo included with libaa | 02:43 |
Wafficus | yeah I know cmatrix | 02:43 |
gnarface | Wafficus: did you know you can run X programs on a server that doesn't have X? | 02:43 |
Wafficus | I've heard of this gnarface | 02:43 |
buZz | Wafficus: check youtube for 'TMDC' videos ;) | 02:43 |
buZz | textmode demo compo | 02:43 |
Wafficus | yeah I've seen cacafire too | 02:43 |
gnarface | Wafficus: ssh forwarding is great | 02:43 |
buZz | i dont think many TMDC releases ever made it to linux , sadly | 02:45 |
buZz | Wafficus: dosbox works in terminal aswell, i think? or maybe only on fbdev | 02:45 |
Wafficus | oh wow, now tHAT i didn't know | 02:45 |
Wafficus | in terms of DOS box | 02:45 |
Wafficus | can't you run like X in a terminal just for a single frame | 02:46 |
gnarface | i think it works in a terminal, i had some weird issue with it but i forget | 02:46 |
Wafficus | hard to explain | 02:46 |
buZz | Wafficus: well, somewhat | 02:46 |
gnarface | you're probably thinking of ssh forwarding there, Wafficus | 02:46 |
buZz | some terminals can do graphics aswell | 02:46 |
buZz | Wafficus: check out http://brow.sh/ aswell :D | 02:47 |
gnarface | then there's some stuff like xnest where you can literally run X in a window in X | 02:47 |
buZz | Browsh is a fully-modern text-based browser. It renders anything that a modern browser can; HTML5, CSS3, JS, video and even WebGL. | 02:47 |
gnarface | (though usually when you see that happening it's qemu not xnest) | 02:47 |
buZz | Wafficus: also mc is nice, if you dont know it yet | 02:48 |
Wafficus | yeah Midnight Command | 02:49 |
Wafficus | *Midnight Commander | 02:49 |
Wafficus | eh I prefer ranger | 02:49 |
Wafficus | ranger is much more intuitive | 02:49 |
Wafficus | plus the features are just awesome | 02:49 |
Wafficus | Browsh is ok last time I used it | 02:49 |
Wafficus | this will sound dumb, but it was too blurry to be honest | 02:49 |
gnarface | might have been an unrelated freetype font rendering setting, i'd have to see screenshots to be sure | 02:50 |
Wafficus | not necessarily the text | 02:50 |
Wafficus | but the images to be honest | 02:50 |
gnarface | oh, then hard to say unless it was only the jpegs | 02:50 |
Wafficus | the way it renders, it just isn't too pretty, | 02:50 |
gnarface | if it was just the jpegs they might simply be rendered low quality. nobody does that anymore but it was more common when computers were slow | 02:51 |
gnarface | (still an option in opera mobile/mini i think though) | 02:51 |
gnarface | the first step would be to distinguish if it's doing something other programs rendered in the same x environment aren't doing | 02:52 |
gnarface | because there's still multiple layers of the OS to blame just based on description "it's blurry" | 02:52 |
gnarface | anything from drivers to the fonts | 02:53 |
Wafficus | gotcha | 02:59 |
Wafficus | idk if you guys would know this | 02:59 |
Wafficus | but are there any terminal based ham radio programs? | 02:59 |
Wafficus | it seems like the only options are GUI based aka Echolink via QTel | 02:59 |
gnarface | oh, damn i just heard of one but i'm not a ham operator, much to my embarrassment | 02:59 |
gnarface | someone was in here just a couple days ago asking for help with one though | 02:59 |
gnarface | i think it might have been in the repo | 03:00 |
gnarface | hmmm, maybe it was qtel | 03:00 |
gnarface | not sure but i thought it started with c | 03:01 |
gnarface | cf.. cm...? | 03:01 |
gnarface | nah, i lost it, sorry | 03:01 |
gnarface | i see cqrlog in the repo but that isn't ringing the right bell | 03:01 |
Wafficus | gotcha | 03:05 |
stovepipe | installed beowulf using "ventoy" usb boot image selector thing. at the very end during or after grub install, it gets an error trying to get a file from the cdrom | 10:25 |
stovepipe | had to cancel, then it finished | 10:25 |
stovepipe | boots ok etc | 10:25 |
stovepipe | anyone know what the file was? | 10:25 |
gnarface | stovepipe: probably nothing you can't get from the repo. make sure the cdrom isn't in your /etc/apt/sources.list still | 10:45 |
stovepipe | the way ventoy deals with the iso is funny, somethings dont like it | 10:46 |
stovepipe | gnarface: heh but the question was, what was the file | 10:47 |
stovepipe | it didnt say | 10:47 |
gnarface | stovepipe: i have no idea and i'm not familiar with ventoy either, and would recommend against using unofficial installer images and/or tools, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that it was just looking for something optional the user might have manually added... there should be a log somewhere of the install, if it missed a package due to a repo error it would say | 10:50 |
stovepipe | heh | 10:50 |
stovepipe | life's an adventure! | 10:50 |
gnarface | stovepipe: but it also probably would iron itself out if you just "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" after fixing your /etc/apt/sources.list | 10:51 |
stovepipe | it was after the install is completed, and right after grub-install | 10:51 |
gnarface | weird, i dunno though | 10:51 |
stovepipe | both heads and tails hate ventoy, wont even boot | 10:52 |
stovepipe | knoppix has no problem | 10:52 |
stovepipe | kali livecd also works | 10:52 |
stovepipe | iirc freebsd hates it too | 10:52 |
stovepipe | its a nice tool though when it works | 10:52 |
xinomilo | ventoy works fine for multiboot usb.. | 10:52 |
gnarface | what exactly is ventoy, and do you really need it? it might be worth trying the install without it if you actually care to find out what happened | 10:52 |
stovepipe | it allows you to hold a pile of boot media on a usb and select them from a menu to boot | 10:53 |
gnarface | hmmm | 10:53 |
stovepipe | theres nothing critical happening here, i dont care that much | 10:53 |
stovepipe | just wondered if anyone knew what that dangling file might have been | 10:53 |
stovepipe | my ventoy might also be old, theyre worjking on fixing a lot fo that stuff | 10:54 |
gnarface | i would assume it's just a bug on the beowulf image version you used, especially if it was an older download | 10:55 |
stovepipe | heh no | 10:55 |
stovepipe | its obviously the same ventoy thing that other things also hate | 10:55 |
gnarface | corruptions of the install contents that corrupt individual packages without breaking the entire installer are rare but possible | 10:55 |
stovepipe | the way it presents the cdrom image to whatever is running | 10:55 |
stovepipe | it went looking for the local cdrom in the place it expects to find it, and it aint there | 10:56 |
stovepipe | tahts a ventoy issue | 10:56 |
a1D | Hey, is anyone else have issues with packages.roundr.devuan.org? It resolves to singel IP and reponds 1 time in 10 ... | 15:35 |
fsmithred | a1D, that repo is disabled. Use deb.devuan.org | 15:40 |
a1D | I don'thave it in sources, just deb.* lines, I guess one of the repos still point to it | 15:41 |
fsmithred | check in sources.list.d/ too | 15:43 |
user1041 | add-apt-repository not work in Devuan? After install sudo apt-get install software-properties-common = Error: could not find a distribution template for Debian/beowulf | 15:43 |
fsmithred | auto.mirror.devuan.org is gone | 15:43 |
xinomilo | you must have it in sources, it's not in RR deb.devuan.org | 15:43 |
a1D | found it, thanks - beowulf-security were pointing to auto.mirror... | 15:43 |
fsmithred | user1041, maybe. I've never tried add-apt-repository | 15:44 |
xinomilo | if the repository you try to add doesn't support your release , then add-apt-repository will not work | 15:54 |
fsmithred | where does add-apt-repository come from? I don't see it in the devuan repo. | 15:54 |
xinomilo | software-properties-common | 15:55 |
brocashelm | it's a ppa/ubuntu thing | 15:55 |
xinomilo | mostly ubuntu stuff i think | 15:55 |
fsmithred | so, probably better to stay away from it | 15:55 |
xinomilo | :) | 15:55 |
fsmithred | I read the man page, and it doesn't seem any easier than editing source.list manually | 15:55 |
brocashelm | stay away from it like you would stay away from a covid hotspot | 15:56 |
brocashelm | sources.list file should be simple enough. maybe you could try synaptic if you like gooey | 15:57 |
fsmithred | yeah, I think there's a way to add repos in synaptic. Been a long time since I've used it. | 15:58 |
brocashelm | synaptic > settings > repositories | 15:58 |
brocashelm | you can check and uncheck them at will | 15:59 |
heterochromia420 | hello, i'm here to ask a question regarding zram on devuan: is it possible to use it on openRC? | 17:18 |
heterochromia420 | so far my attempts to get it to work weren't successful so idk if i'm doing something wrong, or they just don't work | 17:19 |
heterochromia420 | *or it just doesn't work | 17:20 |
brocashelm | i wish i could remove "insert emoji" from my system | 17:21 |
fsmithred | heterochromia420, did you see this? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2732 | 17:48 |
heterochromia420 | i did not, giving it a look | 17:48 |
heterochromia420 | though it's not very useful, since it has no guide for openRC, only for sysvinit | 17:50 |
fsmithred | someone asked about zram with openrc back in june | 17:53 |
fsmithred | This link was suggested along with "create conf.d yourself" https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC | 17:53 |
heterochromia420 | ...great. | 17:54 |
fsmithred | oh, that would have been June of a few years ago | 17:54 |
heterochromia420 | *sigh* y'know what, fuck it. i'm just not gonna have swap of any kind. i'm not creating a conf.d myself just for zswap | 17:55 |
fsmithred | 250mb swapfile FTW | 17:55 |
fsmithred | you might actually use 60-80mb | 17:56 |
fsmithred | heterochromia420, debian wiki makes it sound easy | 17:58 |
fsmithred | copy the sysvinit script... | 17:59 |
fsmithred | I think that should work. openrc in devuan uses sysvinit scripts | 17:59 |
fsmithred | assuming you're running beowulf, not ascii | 18:00 |
rennj | you got rc.local dont you | 18:00 |
rennj | modprobe zram | 18:00 |
rennj | echo 419430400 > /sys/block/zram0/disksize | 18:00 |
rennj | mkswap /dev/zram0 > /dev/null 2>&1 | 18:00 |
rennj | swapon /dev/zram0 -p 10 > /dev/null 2>&1 | 18:00 |
rennj | put that in rc.local and you got zram swap on boot | 18:00 |
rennj | real hard | 18:00 |
rennj | if you want sysV init S99 K99 with link to init.d then whatever | 18:00 |
fsmithred | is any of that in /etc/default/zram? | 18:00 |
rennj | figure out your crappy init | 18:01 |
mason | It's a lovely init. | 18:33 |
ShorTie | hmmm, echo q | sysv-rc-conf | 18:37 |
rennj | init freedom the best init | 18:37 |
rennj | https://www.devuan.org/os/init-freedom | 18:38 |
ShorTie | would that rebuild all my symlinks if i go in and change up some Defualts with sed ?? | 18:38 |
rennj | https://www.troublenow.org/752/debian-10-add-rc-local/ haha | 18:46 |
mason | rennj: That article is maybe a little confused. It's unclear why they're adding a custom service when rc-local.service is already shipped in Debian, in Ubuntu, in RHEL. | 18:52 |
rennj | https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/replacing-rclocal-systemd | 18:56 |
rennj | rc.local is obsolete. The man page for systemd-rc-local-generator states, “Support for /etc/rc.local is provided for compatibility with specific System V systems only. | 18:56 |
rennj | any sysVinit system support it | 18:57 |
mason | Obsolete? It's useful. I still use it. | 18:57 |
rennj | yeah cause your on sysvinit | 18:57 |
rennj | like systemd soon xorg gets the boot | 18:58 |
mason | I use it everywhere I need it. | 18:58 |
rennj | where you going to be then..wayland land | 18:58 |
brocashelm | yup, gnome+poettering is the future of "floss". get with the times, gramps! | 19:24 |
DPA | I'm only 24... | 19:27 |
DonkeyHotei | their floss is our pain | 19:28 |
rennj | i have backups older than you | 19:32 |
buZz | i'm convinced poettyfoid will just get hired by microsnot eventually | 19:34 |
grin[m]1 | <rennj "i have backups older than you"> in fact I really do. I have some from 1991. | 19:34 |
buZz | :) | 19:34 |
rennj | 8mm 4mm dds ait dlt lto its all older | 19:34 |
buZz | i got some dlt3 tapes with the full dreamcast release archive | 19:35 |
buZz | official scene releases too | 19:35 |
rennj | https://pasteboard.co/JkIQb7D.png consoles | 19:35 |
grin[m]1 | it's not backup tho | 19:35 |
rennj | neogeo turbo graphix | 19:35 |
buZz | rennj: lol, wtf | 19:36 |
buZz | why arent you running those native | 19:36 |
rennj | n54 snes neogeo turbo genesis in 1 vm | 19:36 |
rennj | n64 | 19:36 |
buZz | vmware to run a foss emulator is like filling your pool with syrup | 19:36 |
rennj | vmware to run winblows10 so i can emulate the console | 19:37 |
buZz | no | 19:37 |
rennj | oh yes | 19:37 |
rennj | https://pasteboard.co/IH3MYqo.png DeadCell | 19:37 |
buZz | vmware to run win10 so you can NOT LEARN TO RUN A EMULATOR NATIVE | 19:37 |
buZz | thats what you have | 19:37 |
grin[m]1 | <rennj "echo 419430400 > /sys/block/zram"> why not zramctl | 19:37 |
buZz | a dumbing down emulator | 19:37 |
rennj | do ihttps://pasteboard.co/IwuAPBu.png ? | 19:37 |
grin[m]1 | btw I may have missed the wayland discussion, so I have a question: can wayland now be used without gnome and systemd? | 19:38 |
rennj | access to what i want buZz | 19:38 |
buZz | rennj: yes, you do | 19:38 |
grin[m]1 | and I do mean *used*, not just "see whether it can actually generate a black screen with a white xterm" | 19:38 |
buZz | running winderp just to run a emulator THATS ALREADY FOSS AND IN DEBIAN is just idiotic | 19:38 |
rennj | vmware player is free for non commercial use | 19:39 |
* buZz applauds | 19:39 | |
buZz | rennj: rape is also free | 19:39 |
buZz | doesnt make it wanted | 19:39 |
rennj | i was running amd closed source fglrx driver up to like 2019 | 19:39 |
rennj | amdgpu and mesa finally working end of 2019 | 19:39 |
grin[m]1 | <buZz "rennj: rape is also free"> oh, here you actually get jail time | 19:40 |
rennj | save the opensauce/freesoftware speech | 19:40 |
grin[m]1 | to backup. | 19:40 |
grin[m]1 | why do I feel like the irc-matrix gateway is lagged 10+ seconds? | 19:40 |
grin[m]1 | btw that was a real ugly desktop theme | 19:41 |
buZz | grin[m]1: jail time is also free | 19:41 |
buZz | infact, its net positive | 19:41 |
rennj | vmware workstation/player 16 now does even more videoram..8GB vram for gaming | 19:41 |
buZz | here jailtime means you get a guaranteed income | 19:41 |
grin[m]1 | buZz: well, not here | 19:41 |
rennj | vmware 15 player i got maxes at 3GB | 19:41 |
grin[m]1 | you pay for everything | 19:41 |
buZz | ok, you're welcome to come move to netherlands :D | 19:41 |
grin[m]1 | so I can rape for free in netherworld? | 19:42 |
brocashelm | devuan could use more international representation :) | 19:42 |
buZz | our jails even allow playstations | 19:42 |
grin[m]1 | i mean nether land | 19:42 |
buZz | grin[m]1: oh, i ment -receiving- rape | 19:42 |
grin[m]1 | but I guess rape also free for inmates so umm | 19:42 |
grin[m]1 | haha | 19:42 |
buZz | :) | 19:42 |
grin[m]1 | got your drift. | 19:42 |
buZz | tokyo | 19:42 |
grin[m]1 | so wayland w/o gnome and systemd? | 19:43 |
grin[m]1 | of do you want to keep the rape topic? | 19:43 |
grin[m]1 | s/of/or/ | 19:43 |
rennj | hey that bios isnt free..stop everything | 19:46 |
buZz | seabios? | 19:47 |
buZz | grin[m]1: i'm running xorg with fluxbox | 19:47 |
rennj | heh vmware made buck running other peoples systems..i run windows10 gaming vm, rather install that mess on baremetal | 19:47 |
rennj | dmidecode and guid and uuid and such being what they are | 19:47 |
buZz | steam on devuan works 100% fine | 19:47 |
buZz | proton etc | 19:47 |
rennj | i dont use steam | 19:47 |
rennj | that vm .has no nic connection | 19:47 |
buZz | runs like a rocket | 19:47 |
rennj | look again | 19:48 |
rennj | https://pasteboard.co/JttsDyL.png thats stand alone even | 19:48 |
rennj | says steam..but its not connected | 19:48 |
buZz | so steam that you arent using, you use | 19:48 |
rennj | i dont use steam..just cause their game says on pause screen | 19:49 |
buZz | riiiight | 19:50 |
rennj | https://pasteboard.co/JtvCDw4.png no connection | 19:52 |
rennj | i dont have steam | 19:52 |
golinux | This is getting really OT. Maybe take it to a more appropriate channel . . . | 19:53 |
rennj | hard to believe people play offline console and games i know | 19:54 |
golinux | Please take it to #devuan-offtopic | 19:57 |
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