libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2021-09-02

radhityahello02:44
radhityaafter upgrade to ceres, my neofetch still showing devuan 4 chimaera02:44
radhityahow to fix it?02:44
fsmithredmaybe edit /etc/os-release02:45
fsmithredI forget what neofetch looks for02:45
radhityalel.. mine still chimaera03:24
radhityaeven though i upgraded to ceres03:24
fsmithredbase-files is still the same in ceres and chimaera03:29
fsmithredwe're all about getting chimaera out the door right now, so if you want neofetch to know what's going on, you'll have to make a manual edit or two.03:29
sadoon_albader[mWhere can I file a bug in the chimaera installer?03:40
fsmithredbugs.devuan.org  and package name is devuan-installer03:41
fsmithreddo it by email03:41
fsmithredwhat's the bug?03:41
sadoon_albader[mThe netinstaller won't ask for a passcode after setting up an encrypted partition03:43
sadoon_albader[mI haven't experienced the issue on the graphical installer03:44
sadoon_albader[mAnd I only experienced it on amd64, not ppc64le which ran successfully03:44
fsmithredI thought we left the graphical installer out of it to save space03:44
sadoon_albader[mThere is a graphical installer03:44
sadoon_albader[mActually on ppc64le I installed beowulf and then upgraded so that doesn't count03:45
sadoon_albader[mI'll file the bug in a bit but in any case what's the practical difference between a partition inside dm-crypt and one in encrypted LVM?03:46
sadoon_albader[mI've never bothered with LVM before03:46
sadoon_albader[mI used guided partitioning to set it up with encrypted LVM but will probably just use the graphical installer again just to setup03:47
fsmithredlvm holds logical volumes inside it. Encrypt the lvm and all the logical partitions inside it are decrypted with one password.03:49
fsmithredalso you can resize the logical volumes on the fly, or add other volumes.03:49
sadoon_albader[mIt sounds nice03:51
sadoon_albader[mBut I don't wanna try anything new lol03:51
fsmithredhas some nice features. Adds some complexity. Resizing a volume while it's in use is a nail-biting experience.03:51
sadoon_albader[mKinda aiming for the stability03:51
fsmithredlvm is not exactly new03:52
fsmithredbut maybe new for you03:52
fsmithredthat counts for a lot03:52
* Xenguy always installs with encrypted LVM, but never uses it ; -)03:52
fsmithredhow do you not use it?03:52
fsmithredkeep the box turned off?03:52
sadoon_albader[mYeah I meant new for me03:53
XenguyI've never resized volumes for example03:53
fsmithredif you do it right the first time, you don't need to03:53
XenguyIt's there, operational, but I never really use it03:53
fsmithredif you really want fun, make a raid with lvm, then later add a volume that's part of the lvm but not the raid. And then try to replace a raid drive.03:54
XenguyHey that does sound like an adventure03:55
fsmithreda jungle adventure03:55
XenguyTruthfully, I've never used RAID, and have no plans to do so03:55
XenguyBut I'm sure there are use cases where it's da bomb, as we used to say03:56
fsmithredyeah, ability to replace drives with no down time03:56
XenguyIt's cool, just outside my realm a little; I have no need of that03:57
fsmithredsadoon_albader[m, I did a single-partition encrypted install on 23Aug and it worked correctly. amd64 netinstall iso04:08
sadoon_albader[mInteresting04:09
sadoon_albader[mI tried rebooting just in case04:09
fsmithredthe installer never asked you to provide a password?04:10
sadoon_albader[mYep04:10
sadoon_albader[mAnd as such I can't create partitions04:10
fsmithredhere's a short video capture of making an encrypted partition. Note the number in the file name. That's how many times it took me to get it right, and I've done a lot of encrypted installs.04:12
fsmithredhttp://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/misc/partition_encrypt-4.ogv04:12
sadoon_albader[mAh04:13
sadoon_albader[mSo it's not just me?04:13
fsmithrednope04:13
fsmithredit is not intuitive04:13
fsmithredand another hint: the graphical installer sucks04:13
sadoon_albader[mI'd better search for an existing bug report04:13
sadoon_albader[mBefore posting then04:13
fsmithredit's harder to use because you have to keep going between mouse and keyboard04:13
fsmithredand the actions are not consistent04:14
fsmithredwatch the video to make sure you did it right04:14
sadoon_albader[mAlright thanks!04:14
fsmithredand a bug report is unlikely to change it04:14
sadoon_albader[mThe video doesn't want to play herr04:16
sadoon_albader[mHere*04:16
fsmithredThe live installer is different. Looks like this: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/live-gui04:16
fsmithredyou're trying in a web browser?04:17
fsmithredI had to enable javascript for it to play04:17
sadoon_albader[mI'm using my phone04:17
fsmithredmpv or vlc should also work04:17
sadoon_albader[mOne minute let me try desktop04:17
fsmithredoh04:17
fsmithredyour phone might not like open source formats04:18
sadoon_albader[mHeh I guess so04:18
fsmithreddamn you freedom hippies04:18
sadoon_albader[mYeah works on desktop04:18
fsmithredcool04:18
sadoon_albader[mThat's a nice looking xfce may I add04:18
sadoon_albader[mI'll try doing it the same way you did it, but I'll also burn a desktop dvd in case it doesn't work04:21
fsmithredthanks. That's refracta (with non-default background)04:21
fsmithredI didn't make a swap partition. Usually just use a small swap file.04:21
fsmithredthen it's part of the encrypted partition04:22
fsmithredsadoon_albader[m, you only need the dvd if you want to install without a network mirror. If you choose a mirror, all the installer isos act like the netinstall.04:23
sadoon_albader[mOh no I meant the live image04:23
sadoon_albader[mI'm gonna burn it on a dvd tho04:23
fsmithredthe live installer is different04:23
sadoon_albader[m:P04:23
fsmithredrefractainstaller04:23
fsmithredyou can do encrypted root and home04:24
fsmithredor all in one04:24
fsmithredand if you want /boot encrypted, that'll work, too.04:24
Hydragyrumwhen I'm doing encrypted lvm, I have swap on a separate LV, but04:24
sadoon_albader[mI just want a simple encrypted space where I can have a btrfs partition, everything else I'll leave at default04:25
fsmithredoh, btrfs with the live installer is tricky04:25
sadoon_albader[mI think I did it on my laptop tho04:25
fsmithredsomeone did it and documented it on our forum04:25
Hydragyrumyeah if I'm doing a fully custom setup I'd just have btrfs on a luks volume with no lvm04:25
sadoon_albader[mYup exactly04:26
sadoon_albader[mI'm migrating from an Arch system that has exactly that04:26
Hydragyrumbut idk how well installer supports it04:26
Hydragyrumif you just want data on that btrfs volume, ez04:26
sadoon_albader[mNo apparently I did do it on my laptop a week or two ago04:27
sadoon_albader[mI don't remember exactly how tho lol04:27
Hydragyrumhmm04:27
Hydragyrummaybe I should spin up a vm and try it out04:27
sadoon_albader[mBasically I'm migrating all my machines so naturally the desktop would be last and I took too long that I forgot what I did xD04:28
fsmithredhttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3258  <- btrfs discussion04:28
Hydragyrummfw I somehow don't have a copy of the installer iso lying around04:29
HydragyrumI have a usb with it but not the iso04:29
Hydragyrumyou using beowulf or chimera?04:29
sadoon_albader[mchimaera04:29
fsmithredsleep time for me. Good luck.04:32
sadoon_albader[mThanks :) gn04:32
Hydragyrummfw no torrent of chimera04:36
sadoon_albader[mNice, it works!04:38
Hydragyrumsadoon_albader[m: so your encrypted btrfs deal Just Works™ out of the box?04:39
sadoon_albader[mYep, did it on two other systems too04:39
sadoon_albader[mI don't encrypt /boot tho04:39
Hydragyrumyeah encrypted /boot is a pita04:39
sadoon_albader[mAfter booting, the system will ask you for a passcode04:39
Hydragyrumbut the installer supported it?04:39
sadoon_albader[mYep04:40
sadoon_albader[m<fsmithred> "http://distro.ibiblio.org/..." <- You have to do it as shown here04:40
sadoon_albader[mAnd then just format it to btrfs04:40
Hydragyrumso it's just like using any other luks-encrypted deal for root04:40
sadoon_albader[mI guess so yeah04:40
sadoon_albader[mAll that's left is to see if the subvolumes look good for timeshift04:40
sadoon_albader[mI hate the fact that timeshift is hardcoded to @ and @home04:41
sadoon_albader[mBut it works I guess04:41
eleison[m]fsmithred: I thought you might find this interesting: https://github.com/illiliti/libudev-zero14:45
lunariois there a way to get an error log from ones .xinitrc? i can't just run xinitrc 1>>logfile obviously, since it starts automatically14:50
humpelstilzchen[lunario: you can always put your stuff in another script and call that from your ~/.xinitrc. But try ~/.xsession-errors14:55
lunariohumpelstilzchen: thanks for the hint15:00
fsmithredexec 2>"$error_log"15:12
fsmithred^^^ inside the script.15:12
fsmithredalso 'set -x' inside to get more output15:12
fsmithredlunario, ^^^15:12
Beergolinux: Poking at people on the #guix channel, I got some bits of info23:51
BeerWHere shall I write them down? In the pad?23:51
Beer(about eudev)23:51
Xenguy_In the pad makes sense to me23:53
golinuxPad is fine23:55
golinuxBeer: ^^^23:56

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