| ksx4system | weird question: anyone tried burning BluRay (data only) under Chimaera? what software did you use? did you succeed? | 00:38 |
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| gnarface | i haven't but i'm sure wodim will work | 00:40 |
| gnarface | (it used to be called cdrecord) | 00:40 |
| Afdal | Someone explain to me how to grab a package off chimaera again without upgrading my whole system | 06:05 |
| Afdal | I can't deal with a whole system upgrade at the moment | 06:05 |
| Afdal | Seems silly to compile something right now when the version I want is already on chimaera repos | 06:06 |
| Afdal | Gotta say: surprise alterations to my network settings are NOT cool I:< | 09:11 |
| hyrcanus | hi Afdal | 09:12 |
| hyrcanus | some packages change /etc/network/interfaces, i think | 09:12 |
| Afdal | especially when I can't remember the DNS servers I was using and didn't think to save them | 09:13 |
| Afdal | That really rustles my jimjams | 09:13 |
| Afdal | where are network settings normally stored anyway | 09:14 |
| Afdal | maybe I can go retrieve them from an older inactive distro | 09:14 |
| Afdal | particularly wireless | 09:15 |
| hyrcanus | different places | 09:16 |
| hyrcanus | it depends also on what gui frontend you prefer to use | 09:16 |
| Afdal | network manager | 09:16 |
| hyrcanus | that's made by kids with no respect for tradition | 09:16 |
| Afdal | I know -_- | 09:17 |
| Afdal | Networking is a giant mess on loonix in general | 09:17 |
| brocashelm | wicd is being maintained again | 09:17 |
| hyrcanus | 'mess' can also mean 'have choices' | 09:17 |
| hyrcanus | 'ceni' from sidux is now in the repo too | 09:17 |
| hyrcanus | a respectful network manager | 09:17 |
| Afdal | actually I guess I'm using wicd right now | 09:18 |
| Afdal | I honestly can't even tell the two apart | 09:18 |
| brocashelm | there's also connman (gtk/qt) | 09:18 |
| brocashelm | but they are all a pain to work with | 09:19 |
| Afdal | Where are DNS servers typically listed | 09:19 |
| Afdal | doesn't appear to be /etc/resolv.conf | 09:20 |
| hyrcanus | there used to be /etc/resolv.conf but then someone thought they were clever and made a resolvconf daemon | 09:20 |
| hyrcanus | you can create /etc/resolv.conf and make it immutable with chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf | 09:21 |
| Afdal | I seriously don't have time for a wireless setup goose chase right now | 09:22 |
| Afdal | this makes me really mad | 09:22 |
| hyrcanus | i used ceni to configure wifi and it worked for me | 11:16 |
| hyrcanus | but dns resolution is seperate i think | 11:17 |
| hyrcanus | unless there's per-interface dns resolution | 11:17 |
| ShorTie | never heard of that | 11:19 |
| hyrcanus | ready for the "driver's license for the internet"? | 14:16 |
| golinux | <brocashelm> [02:17:25] wicd is being maintained again | 16:59 |
| golinux | It is in process Nowhere near ready yet. | 17:00 |
| golinux | There is rrq's network configuration how-to: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/network-configuration | 17:01 |
| brocashelm | right, i meant the project itself is showing some activity again (however little) | 17:09 |
| golinux | Was ambiguous | 17:09 |
| retak_1th | hello | 21:44 |
| retak_1th | apt-file search ngerman.sty does not find the file on current devuan. but it does so on debian bullseye. the web interface pakte search also says the file is in the pakage texlive-lang-german | 21:44 |
| retak_1th | sooo. who to blame at? | 21:45 |
| hyrcanus | does devuan's texlive-lang-german have the file? | 21:47 |
| hyrcanus | would you like me to help du check? | 21:48 |
| retak_1th | no. thats because im here ^^ | 21:48 |
| retak_1th | sure | 21:48 |
| hyrcanus | it is in ./usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/german/ngerman.sty | 21:50 |
| hyrcanus | in texlive-lang-german_2021.20210921-1_all.deb | 21:50 |
| hyrcanus | so for some reason the apt-file database doesn't see ngerman.sty | 21:50 |
| hyrcanus | i perform apt-file update | 21:51 |
| hyrcanus | to be sure | 21:51 |
| retak_1th | ah the file in there after installing the pakage. yes. I missunderstood you question. | 21:51 |
| hyrcanus | my apt-file search also did not see ngerman.sty | 21:52 |
| retak_1th | its not the only missing file. xkeyval.sty ecrm1095.mf for example | 21:52 |
| retak_1th | xkeyval.sty is from texlive-latex-recommended | 21:53 |
| hyrcanus | after apt-file update i also do not find the file with a search | 21:54 |
| hyrcanus | it looks like the texlive-lang-german package is from debian | 21:55 |
| hyrcanus | Filename: pool/DEBIAN/main/t/texlive-lang/texlive-lang-german_2021.20210921-1_all.deb | 21:55 |
| hyrcanus | and the apt-file also? | 21:55 |
| hyrcanus | Filename: pool/DEBIAN/main/a/apt-file/apt-file_3.2.2_all.deb | 21:55 |
| retak_1th | I poke a litte bit. apt-file use a cache file /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.devuan.org_merged_dists_chimaera_main_Contents-amd64.lz4 which does not contain the missing files. | 21:59 |
| retak_1th | but no idea how these file is generated | 21:59 |
| hyrcanus | it is mysterious - sorry i dont know what is wrong | 21:59 |
| retak_1th | any idea who to talk about? the maintainer of apt-file points to the debian mailing list. but its not a debian problem. thats why Im installed debian bullseye today and checked it | 22:01 |
| Tenkawa | retak_1th: apt-file is just a wrapper program that pulls in indexes based on your sources entries | 22:02 |
| Tenkawa | it builds a database of the contents of archives based on the listings it finds | 22:03 |
| hyrcanus | ^ knower-of-things! | 22:03 |
| Tenkawa | I'm updating my chimaera system right now to try to recreate your scenario | 22:04 |
| retak_1th | thx :) | 22:04 |
| hyrcanus | still don't understand why i get no results for that file though | 22:04 |
| Tenkawa | (I didn't have a x86 one handy so I had to build a vm real quick) | 22:04 |
| hyrcanus | oh i am on aarch64 if it makes a difference | 22:05 |
| hyrcanus | apt-get downloaded the file and dpkg -X file.deb . | 22:05 |
| retak_1th | VMs are really helpful in this situation | 22:05 |
| Tenkawa | hyrcanus: yeah mine are all arm too | 22:05 |
| Tenkawa | I just got the laptop booted up :) | 22:06 |
| retak_1th | lets see if apt-file has any debug output which I can work with | 22:06 |
| Tenkawa | it shows up fine on my debian machine.. oh wait | 22:07 |
| Tenkawa | I dont need an os | 22:07 |
| Tenkawa | I can just debootstrap it | 22:07 |
| Tenkawa | that will give me enough to test with | 22:07 |
| DPA | It is contained in http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/chimaera/main/Contents-all.gz | 22:08 |
| Tenkawa | DPA: ok so you can see i t | 22:08 |
| Tenkawa | er it | 22:08 |
| Tenkawa | good thanks | 22:09 |
| Tenkawa | usr/share/bug/texlive-lang-german/control tex/texlive-lang-german | 22:11 |
| DPA | It's in the repo, but I don't see it with apt-file either. But I'm using a cron-apt mirror rather than the regular repos which doesn't have it, so I can't tell if that's my issue or not. | 22:11 |
| Tenkawa | DPA: thats what I'm going to test | 22:11 |
| Tenkawa | I'm wondering if its getting filtered out | 22:12 |
| * retak_1th hilft bugs in linux systemen fixen | 22:16 | |
| retak_1th | wrong window :D | 22:16 |
| Tenkawa | my download is almost done (slow here in the states) | 22:20 |
| retak_1th | I did a 3TB backup with 1MB/s the last weeks. I can wait ;) | 22:21 |
| Tenkawa | ouchie | 22:21 |
| Tenkawa | ok about to run the test (prepping the system now) | 22:33 |
| retak_1th | :) | 22:37 |
| Tenkawa | interesting.. | 22:38 |
| Tenkawa | I think I see why it may not be working | 22:38 |
| Tenkawa | running a test now | 22:39 |
| Tenkawa | Its possible its not handling multiarch debs | 22:39 |
| Tenkawa | (apt-file that is) | 22:40 |
| retak_1th | hm | 22:40 |
| DPA | With strace, I do see it look for content_all files. I don't see anything downloading them, though. | 22:41 |
| Tenkawa | it has a trigger config that looks up metadata and one of the things that one has that "could" potentially be throwing it off is that its not just one arch | 22:41 |
| Tenkawa | DPA: check out /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50apt-file.conf | 22:41 |
| Tenkawa | I think that "might be missing" this part of the dpkg entry | 22:42 |
| Tenkawa | Source: texlive-lang | 22:42 |
| Tenkawa | Multi-Arch: foreign | 22:42 |
| Tenkawa | see how it subs in the system arch | 22:43 |
| Tenkawa | so there would I think need to be a Contents-foreign.gz for apt-file to get an index file | 22:45 |
| Tenkawa | and since there's not one on the site... | 22:45 |
| Tenkawa | mind you I need another pkg with this same scenario to test that theory on | 22:45 |
| retak_1th | anything I can do? | 22:46 |
| Tenkawa | retak_1th: not sure.. let me try one more test... most of the time if this is what I think they would use Architecture: All... | 22:48 |
| retak_1th | ok | 22:49 |
| Tenkawa | yeah not sure.. but something's definitely confused | 22:54 |
| Tenkawa | and I'm definitely going to be looking at it Monday if they haven't fixed it yet | 22:54 |
| Tenkawa | (I have to be away all day tomorrow) | 22:55 |
| retak_1th | Im scared to look at the apt-file source code. Its sure 90er stuff ^^ | 22:55 |
| retak_1th | nice :) | 22:55 |
| Tenkawa | good catch | 22:55 |
| * Tenkawa likes 90's code | 22:55 | |
| * Tenkawa is an old geek | 22:55 | |
| Tenkawa | lol | 22:55 |
| retak_1th | but debian apt-file is the same as devuans on, or? so I guess its more likley a config error then a programm error | 22:56 |
| Tenkawa | let me check that.. just a sec with the pkg spec | 22:57 |
| Tenkawa | I can do a quick compare on that one section | 22:57 |
| retak_1th | I can also install beowulf and ascii in a vm to test it there | 22:57 |
| Tenkawa | yeah deb/dev apt-file look similar | 22:59 |
| Tenkawa | I'll bbialw.. need go to afk for a while | 23:00 |
| retak_1th | ok | 23:01 |
| Tenkawa | let me know if you make any discoveries while I'm away.. I'll be idling | 23:01 |
| retak_1th | the installation with qemu, even with kvm, is really, really slooooooooooooooooooooooooooow | 23:55 |
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