ahhhhha | Hello | 02:35 |
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ahhhhha | I am having an issue with devuan while attempting to install | 02:35 |
ahhhhha | Anyone here that could help? | 02:36 |
Ahhhha | So | 02:37 |
Afdal | ... So :}? | 02:38 |
Ahhhha | need some help | 02:39 |
Afdal | with what {: | 02:39 |
Ahhhha | Having some issues with devuan installation | 02:39 |
Afdal | Go on... | 02:39 |
Ahhhha | Basically after I complete all the steps I can’t boot into my system | 02:39 |
Afdal | How far do you get? | 02:39 |
Ahhhha | I get all the way until it makes me restart and after that I try to boot and grub basically doesn’t load my linux kernel | 02:40 |
Ahhhha | so I get no option to load into devuan just grub on cli | 02:41 |
Afdal | You using GPT or MBR? | 02:41 |
Afdal | :c | 02:42 |
Ahhhha | I am using mbr | 02:42 |
Afdal | Using any sort of encryption scheme? | 02:43 |
Ahhhha | nope nothing | 02:43 |
Ahhhha | I do although have a windows install | 02:43 |
Ahhhha | I am planning to move fully to devuan but I have no other computer so I need this windows install at the moment | 02:44 |
Afdal | Microsuck tries to screw up linux installations if you do Windows afterwards, so I presume you've done it first right | 02:44 |
Ahhhha | Indeed | 02:45 |
Ahhhha | I shouldn’t see why windows would cause an issue like this but maybe you are wiser than me | 02:46 |
Afdal | nah that's probably not it | 02:47 |
Afdal | just covering bases | 02:47 |
Ahhhha | okay | 02:47 |
Afdal | can you boot back into a live environment and confirm that your installation is complete on your drive? | 02:48 |
Ahhhha | as in a live environment of devuan? | 02:48 |
Afdal | yeah | 02:48 |
Afdal | other distros would probably work too | 02:48 |
Afdal | See if you can do a chroot into the Devuan installation you just completed | 02:49 |
Ahhhha | Well I don’t have a live environment of devuan but I do have windows | 02:49 |
Afdal | How did you attempt to install Devuan? | 02:49 |
Ahhhha | what I could do is install maybe void and use that as a forward point | 02:49 |
Afdal | live environment as in, loading up from your installer off USB or CD or whatever | 02:49 |
Afdal | I presume that's how you installed in the first place | 02:49 |
Ahhhha | yea from usb but I’m using desktop iso | 02:50 |
Afdal | sure, that | 02:50 |
Afdal | boot into that and see if you can chroot into the build you just installed on your hard drive | 02:50 |
Afdal | If you can, then it's clearly a GRUB issue | 02:50 |
Ahhhha | I mean I see all my partitions are fine | 02:51 |
Ahhhha | the devuan and grub + swap | 02:51 |
Afdal | you might simply try running | 02:51 |
Afdal | uh | 02:51 |
rrq | Ahhhha: the installation has a "rescue" option | 02:51 |
Afdal | grub-install | 02:51 |
Afdal | or that^ | 02:51 |
Ahhhha | Ok no I’ll check quickly | 02:52 |
Afdal | if the rescue option doesn't work for you, try chrooting into your installation and running grub-install from there | 02:52 |
Ahhhha | What is more annoying about this is I don’t have the ability to setup networking | 02:53 |
Afdal | So wait, are you able to boot into your Wangblows partition? | 02:53 |
Ahhhha | As my realtek firmware is non free and not included in any iso | 02:53 |
Afdal | Presumably there's a Wangblows option on your GRUB boot list, and you can choose it and boot it up successfully? | 02:53 |
Ahhhha | No | 02:53 |
Afdal | ono :} | 02:54 |
Ahhhha | I just get put into grub cli no gui | 02:54 |
Afdal | The GRUB Rescue Console? | 02:54 |
Ahhhha | Yes | 02:54 |
Afdal | yeah, sounds like GRUB didn't get setup properly then | 02:54 |
gnarface | Ahhhha: did you ever figure out if the other boot entries even show up in there? | 02:55 |
Ahhhha | Like ? | 02:55 |
gnarface | when you go into the grub menu there should be like, default then other, and other should have at least your windows install and the linux install you just completed (default should be the same as the linux install but later when you have several kernel versions they'll all show up individually in this sub-menu) | 02:56 |
gnarface | if you get to grub and there's no boot options something went wrong before that | 02:56 |
Ahhhha | I’m in grub rescue | 02:56 |
Afdal | the os detect part of the grub install script may have failed | 02:56 |
gnarface | every boot menu option for linux should have a (rescue) mode boot option associated with it | 02:56 |
gnarface | hmm, grub could have been installed in the wrong place too | 02:57 |
Ahhhha | Yes but I don’t get the option to load anything | 02:57 |
Ahhhha | Just forces me into rescue | 02:57 |
gnarface | yea, something is wrong with that part | 02:57 |
Afdal | err, "os-prober" | 02:57 |
Afdal | that's what I meant | 02:57 |
gnarface | when you picked which partition to install grub to, which one did you pick? was it like /dev/sda, or was it like /dev/sda1? | 02:57 |
Afdal | oh yeah, there's also that common mistake | 02:58 |
Ahhhha | sda4 | 02:58 |
Afdal | aha | 02:58 |
Ahhhha | big mistake ? | 02:58 |
Afdal | yeah, since you're using MBR, you actually want grub installed to sda | 02:58 |
Ahhhha | I used auto partition because I don’t want to mess up my windows install | 02:58 |
Afdal | not a partition | 02:58 |
Afdal | You may have grub on sda4 right now, but your BIOS doesn't know that's where to look for the bootloader | 02:59 |
Ahhhha | OH | 02:59 |
Ahhhha | YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT LOL | 02:59 |
syco | might be a setting in the bios too | 03:00 |
Afdal | Since you're using MBR, there's only one location your BIOS looks for a bootloader | 03:00 |
Afdal | it's that little bit of unpartitioned space at the start of your drive | 03:00 |
Ahhhha | yep it’s empty | 03:00 |
syco | can't remember the name but has something to do with booting windows or not | 03:00 |
Ahhhha | 1MB free | 03:00 |
Afdal | You tell GRUB to install there through "sda" | 03:01 |
Afdal | rather than "sda*" | 03:01 |
Ahhhha | hmm ok so I do that in partitioning or while installing grub | 03:02 |
Afdal | I don't remember what Devuan's graphical installation tool is like, but many distros often have you declare it when partitioning | 03:03 |
Ahhhha | Because I can’t touch that 1MB in front of my windows install on my disk | 03:03 |
Afdal | You can fix this without a reinstallation though | 03:03 |
Afdal | Just get into the live environment | 03:03 |
Afdal | and do a grub-install to the right location | 03:03 |
Ahhhha | Ok I’ll get the live environment iso then | 03:03 |
Afdal | Think you'll want to chroot too | 03:03 |
Afdal | into your existing system that you cannot boot yet | 03:04 |
Ahhhha | Ok one second | 03:05 |
Ahhhha | Question so for my biosgrub partition do I need to turn on bootable flag? | 03:06 |
syco | uefi? | 03:07 |
Ahhhha | no | 03:07 |
Afdal | You shouldn't have a grub partition | 03:07 |
Afdal | if you're using MBR | 03:07 |
Ahhhha | Idk the guided partitioner is doing it | 03:08 |
Afdal | GRUB (or any other bootloader) gets placed on -unpartitioned- space at the start of your drive | 03:08 |
Ahhhha | So I should just delete that partition igs? | 03:08 |
Afdal | Yeah if you don't think it's doing anything | 03:09 |
Ahhhha | kk | 03:09 |
Afdal | But if you were using EFI/GPT, then to answer your question no you wouldn't want a boot flag on that | 03:09 |
Ahhhha | okay | 03:09 |
Ahhhha | ok time to test to see if the install went good brb | 03:11 |
Ahhhha | ok | 03:14 |
Ahhhha | Install went good | 03:14 |
Ahhhha | Thanks for the help | 03:14 |
Ahhhha | :) | 03:14 |
gnarface | Ahhhha: i think you're thinking of the /boot/ partition that auto-partitioning will (at least usually) create for you, but note that is *not* where Grub is installed either | 03:18 |
gnarface | Ahhhha: (and it is not required to use; if you don't make a /boot/ partition it will just put /boot/ under the / partition) | 03:19 |
gnarface | Ahhhha: sorry it took most of a week for us to figure out what was wrong, but i'm glad you've got it working now | 03:19 |
Ahhhha | Yeah thanks :) | 03:24 |
qwestion | Has any OK ne claimed running on riscv ? The new c910 and co alibaba socs ideally... | 04:26 |
qwestion | Anyone* | 04:26 |
gnarface | not me, but let me know if you hear anything | 04:27 |
qwestion | Sure, just gonna leave this here in case ppl want a challenge/be a small part of the historically important porting effort to foss cpu, not just licencefree riscv isa: | 05:10 |
qwestion | ICE RVB board https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003395978459.html 460 usd incl shipping | 05:10 |
qwestion | fastest open source cpu that runs android/aosp, also runs debian 10, still slow bc needs asm+jit, ie for runtimes, js in browser, video decode etc. | 05:10 |
qwestion | work in progress | 05:10 |
bb|hcb | I have high hopes for riscv but the above is not much more than an overpriced raspberry | 05:21 |
gnarface | qwestion: if you're looking for a conversation about it, feel free to bring it up in #devaun-offtopic too | 05:29 |
gnarface | it seems like #devuan-arm might also be an appropriate place but i'm not 100% sure of that | 05:30 |
qwestion | Maybe therell be need for riscv room eventually, as debian-riscv oftc | 05:31 |
gnarface | we can only hope | 05:33 |
bb|hcb | Until riscv grows more, it wouldn;t be inappropriate to discuss that in -arm... | 05:35 |
gnarface | yea but i can imagine the possibility it won't grow enough to get its own channel and instead they might just end up collapsing both into something like #devuan-sbc | 05:36 |
gnarface | or #devuan-soc or the like | 05:36 |
qwestion | Maybe devuan-ports? For ppc64le too especially | 05:37 |
gnarface | yea, i dunno. unfortunate contextual overlaps with the -sbc and -soc abbreviations do exist | 05:37 |
gnarface | fortunately it's not my call though | 05:38 |
qwestion | -Alt-arches also | 05:39 |
lover | hello | 13:49 |
lover | any one knows what time manager devuan uses? | 13:50 |
lover | doesnt seem like it uses ntpd | 13:50 |
lover | : Release file for http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/chimaera-updates/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 50min 15s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. | 13:50 |
lover | E: Release file for http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/chimaera-security/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 2h 34min 19s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. | 13:50 |
gnarface | if lover comes back tell them that it absolutely does use ntpd but the package name is just called ntp and the problem with his error is clearly system clock related anyway | 14:18 |
gnarface | hopefully they figured that out on their own | 14:18 |
onefang | Devuan can use ntpd if you install it. Those error messages likely mean your clock isn't set correctly. If it is set correctly, let me know the IP deb.devuan.org reported. deb.devuan.org is a DNS Round Robin, so there's a bunch of servers that respond to it. | 14:19 |
onefang | SNAP! | 14:19 |
* onefang goes back to weekend mode. gnarface is here to solve everyone's problems! Thankies gnarface for all your hard work. B-) | 14:20 | |
Bernd | the raspi images at http://arm-files.devuan.org/RaspberryPi%20Signed%20Releases/ are signed by adam@dyne.org, does anybody know where to get adams pblic key? | 15:29 |
bb|hcb | http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?search=adam%40dyne.org%2C&fingerprint=on&op=index | 15:39 |
Bernd | Thanks! | 15:58 |
Beer | Hello, I got a cgroup problem I am unable to pin down. All the "hierarchy" values in /proc/cgroups are set to 0. What have I borked? | 18:24 |
Beer | MMmh //usr/bin/cgroups-mount was failing due to some hiccup in awk | 18:39 |
Beer | nvm | 18:39 |
oemb1905z | OO | 19:23 |
xmszkn | hi | 20:55 |
Xenguy | Yes, thanks gnarface | 21:56 |
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