xrogaan | Running software-properties-kde result in the application not working: aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for Devuan/chimaera | 08:46 |
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s|oO|0o|g | hey, got a couple weird messages while performing apt update over Tor on Chimaera using runit; for the record I had to wrestle "sv" to get tor to bind to 9050. "proxychains tor update" threw a gpg error about some key being in an unsupported binary format, pointing to a fine under /var/lib/apt that I couldn't find. On top of that "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera Release doen't contain a | 11:12 |
s|oO|0o|g | release file and is disabled by default" or something of that effect. Not sure where I can find the exact error messages | 11:12 |
s|oO|0o|g | fine > file | 11:12 |
s|oO|0o|g | it's a new installation (no upgrade from debian och beowulf), devuan-keyring is present, version 2017.10.03 | 11:14 |
s|oO|0o|g | och > or | 11:14 |
djph | s|oO|0o|g: isn't tor its own repo? In that case, I wouldn't imagine its signing key to be in the devuan-keyring package | 11:17 |
s|oO|0o|g | djph: my apt sources list points to the standard http addresses, not onion addresses, if that was your question; I merely proxy the traffic over tor | 11:20 |
djph | no | 11:21 |
djph | As I perhaps incorrectly recall, 'tor' is an external-to-debian (devuan) package, no? | 11:22 |
s|oO|0o|g | I might check if devuan mirrors offer onion addresses, now that you mention it, I'm only aware of debian's and wouldn't mix them up with devuan repos | 11:22 |
djph | as in you needed to add 'deb http://tor-something [...]' to your sources | 11:22 |
s|oO|0o|g | ah | 11:22 |
s|oO|0o|g | well, you'd need the apt-transport-tor first, than I believe 'deb tor+http:// [...]' | 11:23 |
rrq | the general advice remains to use deb.devuan.org ... just to avoid overloading the central server | 11:23 |
s|oO|0o|g | this is what I use, appending "proxychains" to the apt commands, the connection isn't pure tor | 11:24 |
rrq | deb.devuan.or is a round-robin DNS name which resolves to a range of alternative servers | 11:24 |
rrq | your tor usage is really just your VPN method | 11:25 |
s|oO|0o|g | basically, yes | 11:25 |
rrq | the keyring issue may come up when you update, and the easiest hands-on (I think) is to use "apt update" and then answer "yes" | 11:26 |
rrq | sometimes an update is disturbed by the incidentally chosen server being in the middel of its mirroring download | 11:28 |
rrq | then you'd try again in a little bit and probably get a different server | 11:29 |
s|oO|0o|g | have repositories been recently renamed from Release to InRelease? | 11:30 |
rrq | recently? .. sometime the last few months there was a change in the repository population process.. not sure if that particular thing was one of that | 11:33 |
* rrq was near the camp ground but not close to the fire | 11:34 | |
s|oO|0o|g | !help | 11:36 |
s|oO|0o|g | heh... was expecting a bot answer with a list of do's and dont's for the channel | 11:38 |
s|oO|0o|g | ok, I'll assume pasting URLs isn't frowned upon, here's a random mirror https://mirror.checkdomain.de/devuan/merged/dists/chimaera/ there are both InRelease and Release files, as well as the Release.gpg detached sig that apt tripped over | 11:41 |
s|oO|0o|g | the Release file is currently skipped when I do apt update, oddly enough InRelease and Release both have the same timestamp so the latter still sounds relevant, but maybe it's some kind of transition? TBH I'm not that versed in the nitty gritty of apt repos | 11:44 |
s|oO|0o|g | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format well, TIL | 11:47 |
rrq | we need an expert joining in :) .. checking up in my /var/lib/apt/lists it looks like the InRelease is the name of the future | 11:48 |
rrq | I think it's like: InRelase = Release + Release.gpg | 11:51 |
s|oO|0o|g | looks like it, the gpg error might just be a fluke of mirror synch as you mentioned | 11:53 |
onefang | mirror.checkdomain.de is all good according to recent apt-panopticon results. | 11:54 |
s|oO|0o|g | this mirror was just an example, I have no idea if DNS roundrobbing chose this one when I preformed the update | 11:55 |
onefang | The update should have given you the IP of the server used. | 11:56 |
djph | ... could be as simple as timing -- "oops, we're in the middle of a sync" | 12:07 |
s|oO|0o|g | thanks for your time | 13:29 |
judabuda | how to fix? https://pst.moe/paste/guvukm | 15:49 |
gnarface | i'll look if you use paste.debian.net or just /msg it to me but i'm not clicking on that | 15:50 |
judabuda | gnarface: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/667a7a26 | 15:51 |
judabuda | gnarface: i used paste.debian.net, can you help? | 15:53 |
gnarface | looking... | 15:55 |
gnarface | last seen in devuan beowulf | 15:56 |
gnarface | probably because of that systemd dependency | 15:56 |
gnarface | it won't work to just install the debian one | 15:57 |
gnarface | i don't know if it can be rebuilt to not use systemd, but that's what you'd have to do | 15:57 |
judabuda | gnarface: so it won't work on any devuan versions? | 15:57 |
gnarface | i didn't say that, i said it's currently in beowulf (oldstable) | 15:58 |
gnarface | but the one from debian (which appears to be the one you're actually trying to install) won't work | 15:58 |
gnarface | you could try to rebuild it for chimaera or whatever release it is you're running, but the fact nobody has suggests it's not that easy and there might be actual patches required too | 15:59 |
judabuda | im on devuan beowulf | 15:59 |
gnarface | oh, seems like there might be a problem with your sources.list then | 16:00 |
gnarface | it shouldn't be trying to install the systemd-dependent one | 16:00 |
judabuda | only thing there is "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main" | 16:00 |
gnarface | huh | 16:01 |
gnarface | you sure? | 16:01 |
gnarface | and you ran "apt-get update" once before trying this? | 16:01 |
judabuda | yes | 16:01 |
gnarface | had you been mixing distros before this? | 16:01 |
judabuda | mixing? | 16:01 |
gnarface | did you use debian sources then take them out | 16:01 |
gnarface | ? | 16:02 |
gnarface | you might have got some package dependency corruption that way even if nothing else broke | 16:02 |
gnarface | or if it was an upgrade from a debian release, it may simply not have been completed yet | 16:03 |
judabuda | well im using repo from packages.sury.org/php | 16:03 |
judabuda | and that contains "deb https://packages.sury.org/php/ buster main" | 16:04 |
gnarface | oh, well that's probably the culprit then | 16:05 |
gnarface | buster is a debian release | 16:05 |
gnarface | just use packages in the devuan repo and you should be fine | 16:05 |
judabuda | oh maybe becuase it has "buster" instead of "beowulf", but running apt update gave me errors | 16:06 |
judabuda | gnarface: | 16:06 |
judabuda | no wait | 16:07 |
judabuda | gnarface: insatll seems to work | 16:08 |
gnarface | here's the official mirror list http://packages.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 16:08 |
judabuda | i changed it to beowulf | 16:08 |
gnarface | you really shouldn't use unofficial mirrors | 16:08 |
gnarface | it would be possible for them to have both devuan and debian packages though | 16:08 |
judabuda | that's the php mirror for old versions | 16:09 |
judabuda | devuan beowulf only has php7.4 i think | 16:09 |
gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Ephp%5B0-9%5D%5C.%5B0-9%5D%24&x=submit | 16:12 |
gnarface | 7.3 actually | 16:12 |
gnarface | 7.4 is in chimaera | 16:12 |
gnarface | you can use pkginfo.devuan.org to search for this stuff | 16:13 |
judabuda | gnarface: ah, thanks | 16:26 |
judabuda | gnarface: turns out i can't install from packages.sury.org/php | 16:29 |
plasma41 | judabuda: If you specifically need version 7.3, you might try downloading the php7.3-fpm source package from the Devuan Beowulf source archive and compiling it locally. | 16:38 |
onefang | It might also work to pin an older version from an older Devuan. I do that for neomutt. PHP would be more complex though, lots of parts and modules. | 16:44 |
gnarface | truthfully if it's just this one package you'd be better off without it | 16:52 |
gnarface | mod_php is better | 16:53 |
gnarface | i forget exactly why now but there was something to do with security and something to do with database handle contention | 16:55 |
gnarface | lots of serious research went into that conclusion | 16:55 |
gnarface | fcgi only benchmarked faster until you put it under load | 16:56 |
gnarface | like, if you're testing exactly one connection at a time then it seemed like a clear winner in performance | 16:56 |
gnarface | but once you're trying to throw banks of concurrent connections at it - bottleneck | 16:57 |
onefang | Got a linky to that FCGI stuff? | 16:58 |
gnarface | no we didn't publish our results | 16:59 |
gnarface | sorry | 16:59 |
onefang | Oh this is something you worked on. | 16:59 |
judabuda | plasma41: where can i find version php7.3-fpm source package from devuan source archive? | 16:59 |
gnarface | yea it's just a vague memory of the results of a fact-finding expedition during a project i was on a long time ago | 16:59 |
gnarface | we had some disagreement about which was better at first, so we were using both for a while | 17:00 |
plasma41 | judabuda: Running `dget http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php7.3/php7.3_7.3.31-1~deb10u1.dsc` will download the source package. | 17:02 |
plasma41 | judabuda: ... assuming you have devscripts installed, that is. | 17:03 |
plasma41 | afk | 17:08 |
golinux | judabuda: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=34499#p34499 | 17:13 |
judabuda | golinux: thanks | 17:31 |
gandhii_ | is there a way to change what session slim (login manager) defaults to? | 20:51 |
gandhii_ | or is this something that can't be changed? | 20:52 |
fsmithred | gandhii_, try 'update-alternatives --config x-session-manager' | 23:51 |
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