| xisop | greetings. i upgraded from beowulf to chimaera. it also upgraded my kernel from a 4.9 kernel to a 5.10.0-21. as a result, an encrypted partition no longer mounts properly | 06:28 |
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| xisop | it seems that lvm isn't becoming active and asking for a key to decrypt the drive like it used to in older kernels | 06:29 |
| xisop | i'm able to mount the drive by entering some initramfs commands | 06:29 |
| xisop | if i do something like `apt-get install --reinstall lvm2` i get errors about the swap and also that /sbin/fsck.lvm2 doesn't exist and it can't write to initramfs | 06:30 |
| xisop | i suspect this is part of the problem | 06:30 |
| xisop | the issue i get is on boot it repeats several messages about 20 times. "cryptsetup: Waiting for encrypted source device" | 06:32 |
| xisop | "Volume group "my-vg" not found" | 06:33 |
| gnarface | do you have the cryptsetup-initramfs package installed? | 06:43 |
| gnarface | xisop: ^ | 06:44 |
| xisop | i do, though now i can't mount it from initramfs anymore | 06:45 |
| xisop | i can chroot into it via live usb | 06:46 |
| gnarface | hmm, sorry i dunno then | 06:46 |
| gnarface | stick around, someone else knows | 06:46 |
| gnarface | there's only a couple common issues that keep coming up but i don't remember all the fixes | 06:46 |
| xisop | what are some of them, if you don't mind me asking? | 06:47 |
| gnarface | specifics still elude me ... something about a cryptstep environment variable in grub and something else about setting it to point to the right lvm thingy, but since it was working before the upgrade not sure | 06:48 |
| rwp | I would have suggested cryptsetup-initramfs setup too because I have been snagged by that not being a Depends on upgrade on two different systems already. | 06:50 |
| xisop | let me double check that i have it | 06:51 |
| rwp | I would still suggest doing an explicit rebuild of the initramfs just to ensure that it has been rebuilt since that package was installed. Just in case it wasn't built with it present. | 06:52 |
| rwp | That problem is that they split the package and took a shortcut. They want to get to the point where we are now, that cryptsetup can be installed without cryptsetup-initramfs. | 06:53 |
| rwp | But that should have taken an intermediate release with it as a Depends to avoid the case that everyone is hitting now. | 06:54 |
| rwp | And then on the next release remove the Depends. That way everyone would have upgraded through it. | 06:54 |
| rwp | But they were impatient and did the two steps all at once in one release instead of two releases. | 06:54 |
| * rwp is relocating, bbiab | 06:55 | |
| systemdlete | I'm just asking, not accusing anyone or any thing. Since the today's update of firefox and thunderbird, I am noticing huge amounts of slowness. I mean, these 2 programs seem to be total resource pigs, and they have not been "fast," per se, for years. But now I am getting frequent slow downs and the only thing that corrects it is killing | 08:13 |
| systemdlete | them all and re-starting them. Then, for a while, they are fairly well-behaved. But idk, maybe no one else is having this problem with the latest updates of these. | 08:13 |
| xisop | systemdlete: are you noticing that the pages are constantly spinning? | 08:14 |
| gnarface | this is on ceres? | 08:14 |
| systemdlete | gnarface: No, actually... yipes. It's the previous version of Starlinux (3, not 4), now that you point that out... | 08:14 |
| systemdlete | and I've been meaning to upgrade, but I keep running into issues. | 08:15 |
| systemdlete | xisop: Not the spinning animation, if that is what you mean, but I do see the "X" for a long time until the page finally settles down | 08:15 |
| xisop | systemdlete: what's your exact version? | 08:16 |
| systemdlete | But even after that, when one would think the pages have quiesced, the programs are unresponsive | 08:16 |
| xisop | systemdlete: for firefox, atleast | 08:16 |
| systemdlete | xisop: Like I said, its' the update from today | 08:16 |
| systemdlete | It's 102.7esr ... not sure of the exact version though | 08:16 |
| systemdlete | *it's | 08:16 |
| xisop | usually there's an "About Firefox" menu that can give you the exact version | 08:16 |
| systemdlete | It doesn't. It just shows 102.7esr without the deb_u* whatever | 08:18 |
| systemdlete | 102.7.0esr-1~deb10u1 | 08:18 |
| systemdlete | (that's from apt info firefox-esr) | 08:18 |
| systemdlete | sorry, xisop, I keep forgetting | 08:19 |
| systemdlete | we are talking about devuan 3, not chimaera | 08:19 |
| xisop | ok | 08:19 |
| systemdlete | (packaged as star linux) | 08:19 |
| xisop | btw, installing the newest firefox isn't too problematic. you just download the tarball, extract it, then run the firefox binary | 08:20 |
| systemdlete | odd, that's the latest update... yet on chimaera it is 102.7.0esr-1~deb11u1 | 08:20 |
| systemdlete | I guess I could do that | 08:20 |
| xisop | i know that's not fixing your problem directly, but it's a possible avenue for your to get the latest features | 08:20 |
| systemdlete | but generally, I stick with standard issue wares from whatever repos the distro supplies. I've gotten my ass burned in support channels for doing "non-standard" things | 08:21 |
| systemdlete | yes, thanks for that suggestion | 08:21 |
| xisop | binaries these days can run on a large selection of fairly "similar" debian-ish computers | 08:21 |
| systemdlete | true what you say | 08:21 |
| systemdlete | (nice in a way) | 08:21 |
| xisop | systemdlete: i totally agree, just stick with what's in the repos. we'd have to address this at some point possibly | 08:22 |
| xisop | systemdlete: just to remove any other variables, do you have any extensions installed? | 08:22 |
| systemdlete | You know, I've tried putting resource limits on ff and tb, without much success | 08:22 |
| systemdlete | tb's lightning (calendar), but that comes packaged with it | 08:22 |
| systemdlete | (and I really need it!) | 08:23 |
| systemdlete | though I suppose I could use a sep ical program... | 08:23 |
| systemdlete | oh | 08:23 |
| systemdlete | yes... in ff I've got a few addons, but not in every profile (I use several) | 08:23 |
| systemdlete | security badger, uBlock origin, deCentraleyes | 08:25 |
| systemdlete | (all 3 on one browser! That might be the smoking gun right there) | 08:25 |
| systemdlete | I was advised to install these for extra security | 08:26 |
| systemdlete | by someone in another distro's channel | 08:26 |
| systemdlete | but not all profiles have these installed | 08:27 |
| systemdlete | I also have a plugin for a credit card which I absolutely must have. | 08:28 |
| systemdlete | That one has been problematic on and off, but not in recent times. I've been through a dozen or more ff upgrades lately and haven't seen a problem with it afterwards. | 08:28 |
| systemdlete | as to security badger, uBlock origin, deCentraleyes, I could easily live without them I suppose. Not sure how helpful they are. | 08:29 |
| systemdlete | I'm not even using them in the browser I am using atm for libera chat | 08:29 |
| onefang | I use those plugins, though no credit card one. Have you updated them to? | 08:29 |
| systemdlete | onefang, don't those kind of get upgraded automatically? | 08:30 |
| onefang | I turn off all automatic upgrades. Check them anyway. | 08:30 |
| systemdlete | I have automatic updates set to default, whatever that is. Looks to me that they are getting updated automatically by themselves | 08:32 |
| systemdlete | so I am guessing default is set to "yes" | 08:32 |
| systemdlete | and one of them was updated a week ago, and I am 100% sure I did not do that myself. | 08:32 |
| systemdlete | So they all appear to be up to date | 08:32 |
| * onefang updates my Firefox plugins while I'm thinking about that. lol | 08:33 | |
| systemdlete | lol. good idea! | 08:33 |
| onefang | Only the British English dictionary and Privacy Badger needed updates. | 08:34 |
| systemdlete | kernel on that starlinux system: 4.19.0-23-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.269-1 (2022-12-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 08:34 |
| systemdlete | I note that the starlinux system does have updates, including that one today that I mentioned. | 08:35 |
| systemdlete | It could be some other thing, idk | 08:35 |
| systemdlete | I've been running htop to try to discover the problem | 08:35 |
| systemdlete | (and iotop) | 08:35 |
| systemdlete | is there a way to run tcpdump on packets BEFORE they hit the netfilters? IOW, as the packets arrive on the interface, before being firewalled, etc | 08:43 |
| systemdlete | I'm curious about this because I run "mtr" to a remote system and port where the port is NOT being listened to on the remote. Yet mtr reports success in hitting the target/port. | 08:44 |
| systemdlete | When I run tcpdump inside the target system, I don't see those packets, so I assume my firewall is working on the target system. | 08:45 |
| systemdlete | A bug in mtr? Or a bug in systemdlete's head? | 08:46 |
| systemdlete | hmmm. traceroute does not get a response using the same target and port, so... | 08:50 |
| systemdlete | never mind. Forgot to pass -T or -u to mtr... | 08:55 |
| onefang | So bug in systemdlete's head it is then. | 08:55 |
| systemdlete | bug in my head, not mtr | 08:55 |
| systemdlete | yep | 08:55 |
| systemdlete | (as usual) | 08:56 |
| onefang | Just don't confuse the RAID spray with the RAID array when you debug your head. | 08:56 |
| systemdlete | But I probably will | 08:56 |
| systemdlete | actually. that's really hard to say, let alone do | 09:03 |
| systemdlete | nvm | 09:03 |
| systemdlete | Sounds like I need to keep poking around my system to find out what is slowing it down | 09:03 |
| Guest89 | hi | 15:37 |
| gnarface | greetings, just state your questions if you have any | 15:38 |
| Henry_Roth35 | busco servidor irc en español | 15:38 |
| Henry_Roth35 | conocen alguno? | 15:38 |
| gnarface | not anymore i don't think, sorry | 15:39 |
| Henry_Roth35 | =( | 15:39 |
| gnarface | someone here might speak spanish | 15:39 |
| gnarface | or you could try translate.google.com | 15:39 |
| Henry_Roth35 | jaja | 15:40 |
| gnarface | oh hmm, wait a minute, i see #devuan-es still exists | 15:40 |
| Henry_Roth35 | hehehe | 15:40 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure if it is official | 15:41 |
| gnarface | i think it might not be | 15:41 |
| Henry_Roth35 | 10 users | 15:41 |
| deviance | hi. what should I do If my system time is not punctual? | 16:37 |
| deviance | is there any built-in ntp service or similar? | 16:37 |
| gnarface | yea it's in the package named ntp | 16:38 |
| gnarface | and it's actually ntp not just something similar | 16:39 |
| caronte | hello | 18:55 |
| caronte | question on the fly | 19:02 |
| caronte | are you using Devuan on laptops? How's your experience? | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | caronte, I've installed devuan on a few different laptops, and it's been fine except for laptops that don't have ethernet port. | 19:11 |
| buZz | caronte: works similar to debian :) | 19:11 |
| buZz | fsmithred: could just plonk the whole DVD1 on usb :D | 19:12 |
| fsmithred | it's possible to install most wireless firmware from the installation media without a network connection, but there are a few broadcoms that require a network connection to get the wirelss firmware, | 19:12 |
| fsmithred | buZz, the ones I'm talking about only have the installer in the package. | 19:12 |
| fsmithred | without ethernet, you have to download the files on another computer and provide them to the installer on a usb. | 19:13 |
| fsmithred | or add them after the base install. | 19:13 |
| fsmithred | but for most, the firmware package is enough. | 19:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's the same as most other linux laptop installs, it's at painful as the wireless card support. | 19:14 |
| caronte | fsmithred: have we a list of the unsupported/supported platforms? | 19:27 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | hello good people. is there a schedule around as to when 5.0 will hit release? | 20:00 |
| fatal | [NoClan]GoAway: maybe this helps: https://release.debian.org/bookworm/freeze_policy.html | 20:08 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | thanks. that helped partially. | 20:09 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | I'm stuck with the question if I should install 4.0 stable or rather the "newer" 5.0 "testing"... | 20:09 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | I'd like (or rather: I have) to replace my "old" debian xen system and I'm quite unsure what I should choose for the long term... | 20:11 |
| fatal | well if it's not critical infrastructure you can go with testing, else it would be recommended to go with stable and use backports e.g for kernel 6.1 or curl, etc. | 20:11 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | it's more or less a purely private project. it's running since 2011 with no upgrades so far. yes, I'm totally aware that this is unsafe and not a wise thing to do... | 20:12 |
| fatal | testing does not get security bug fixes right away, but stable does. | 20:13 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | I guess that if 5.0 hits release, there's an option to upgrade the 4.0 to 5.0? and if so, will it maintain configs an the like= | 20:14 |
| fatal | you just have to change your sources list when it is stable and do a dist-upgrade | 20:15 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | that was the option I never felt safe to try out with my "old" debian system. I was always afraid things might get messed up and nothing would work afterwards... | 20:16 |
| fatal | if you can just do a fresh install, worked for me. | 20:17 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | that is, of course, an option. yet it's something I try to avoid. having used Linux since back in the mid-2000's I'm not that Linux-savvy as this is only a side project. | 20:19 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | that said, thank you very much for the info above. | 20:20 |
| fatal | np | 20:21 |
| rwp | [NoClan]GoAway, Upgrades work just fine. You can install 4 and upgrade to 5. | 21:03 |
| rwp | At this point we are probably closer than 6 months to the release of 5 so you could install it without grief. | 21:03 |
| rwp | Instead of Xen the new best option has been KVM for some years. Switching from xen to kvm will be some learning curve but most have already done it. | 21:04 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | thank you :) | 21:09 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | on the topic of xen/kvm, is there a benefit using kvm over xen now? back in 2011 when I set up the machine in question, I found xen to be more straight forward compared to kvm (at least back then). | 21:10 |
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