| anon | i installed devuan on a vps and rebooted it and now i can't access the internet on it | 08:12 |
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| anon | maybe it's because i'm using the runit init system or something | 08:13 |
| debdog | my first guess would have been DNS | 08:14 |
| anon | nah i can't even ping ip addresses | 08:14 |
| anon | what service even handles the network stuff | 08:15 |
| brocashelm | if it's not network-manager, it might be connman/cmst | 08:21 |
| brocashelm | by default, sysv continues to manage your services (check with service --status-all) | 08:21 |
| anon | fixed it | 08:22 |
| fatal | damn wanted to ask if the vps offering or allowing devuan iso's | 08:30 |
| fatal | i guess only some provider allow own iso's? | 08:32 |
| fsflp23 | golinux: Hi, I'm new to IRC. Do all the channels keep logs like you mentioned or does it depend on the channel? Thanks. | 09:17 |
| TorC | Logs are generally kept by means of a bot brought into the channel for said logging purposes. | 09:18 |
| TorC | Sometimes for other purposes as well, though in that case it's common to have bots for each purpose or reasonably related set. | 09:19 |
| TorC | fsflp23: ^ | 09:19 |
| fsflp23 | Thanks. So if I'm interested in a log from another channel should I just ask in that channel if there is a log kept? | 09:19 |
| fsflp23 | And they can tell me where it is... | 09:19 |
| TorC | Yep. Otherwise, it'll only be if someone who lurks in said channel has their own logs, which they may or may not consider public enough to share. | 09:20 |
| fsflp23 | OK, this is good to know about. Thanks for teaching me! | 09:20 |
| TorC | You're welcome. | 09:20 |
| onefang | Also logs might be listed in the channel topic, like it is in this channel. | 09:28 |
| onefang | fatal: The server / vps company I use allows me to run Devuan, and was happy to temporarily plug in a disk when I needed it. YISP.nl | 09:30 |
| onefang | That's where I run my Devuan mirror. | 09:31 |
| fatal | onefang: is there a term for it, like 'unamnaged vps'? | 09:34 |
| onefang | I've been with them for over a decade, I dunno what they call things these days. I know they do VPS at least. I do recall they offer managed and unmananged servers. | 09:36 |
| fatal | i guess unmanaged is less of a hassle, but thanks for the link. | 09:40 |
| fatal | er... managed. | 09:41 |
| fsflp23 | onefang: thanks for the logs info, i didn't see it listed until you said it and i looked for it. i will look on other channels to see if they post it also now that i know to look for it. | 09:41 |
| TorC | Managed means they take care of making sure the software is in a working config, but you pay for that in part by accepting being locked out of some changes you might like to make. | 09:42 |
| fatal | yes, but the provider also does not have to offer that functionality via webinterface additionally. | 09:46 |
| fatal | also the user has to know what they do. don't think they offer support for xyz distribution. | 09:47 |
| fatal | just what i was thinking | 09:48 |
| onefang | You can always come here for Devuon support, that's why we are here. B-) | 09:49 |
| fatal | and deprive of my most favorite part, the installation? | 09:50 |
| onefang | I'm happy to leave you to yourself for your favourite part. lol | 09:51 |
| fatal | haha, thank you. | 09:51 |
| fatal | anyway, that is why i'm here too. as far as i'm able to help. | 09:57 |
| onefang | Cool, and thanks. | 09:59 |
| onefang | All of my Devuan installs on my server there have been debootstrap or more recently mmdebstap from Debian at first, then the previous version of Devuan. They do offer Debian last I checked. | 10:01 |
| onefang | That's why they let me have a temporary USB drive plugged in, do the bootstrap to it first, reboot to it and check it all worked, then bootstrap the original disk. | 10:02 |
| onefang | Or you could just copy an ISO to that temporary drive. | 10:03 |
| fatal | looks like cloud vps is out of stock atm, will check some other time. but i'm not in a hurry in any way. | 10:16 |
| fatal | yes, own iso that was i was looking for. | 10:16 |
| fatal | price looks pretty standard for minimal vps | 10:17 |
| fatal | i probably will opt for something slimmer than debian in the end | 10:18 |
| onefang | That's why I use debootstrap / mmdebstrap, so I get lots of control over what is installed, to keep the bloat to a minimum. | 10:22 |
| onefang | Though I think our installers use debootstrap under the covers anyway. | 10:23 |
| FatPhil | some pm-{hibernate,suspend} logs from my beowulf x240: http://fatphil.org/tmp/no_sleep_for_the_wicked.txt | 12:56 |
| FatPhil | looks like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1485013 | 14:01 |
| FatPhil | the modprobes did fix the touchpad, ... and the hibernate! | 14:05 |
| FatPhil | wow, that's a slow-moving bug - no progress in 6 years! | 14:10 |
| anon | any chance someone would be able to adjust the doas package to include support for using the persist option in /etc/doas.conf | 14:49 |
| se7en | I am planning to upgrade from an HDD to an SSD, and it was suggested to me that I should use BTRfs rather than the traditional EXT4 for this system. Do you agree, and if so does the autopart installer support BTRfs? | 20:53 |
| onefang | I used to be a fan of BTRFS, but it's still unstable and has caused data corruption, especially if you manage to run out of space, which it isn't very good at tracking. | 21:11 |
| se7en | onefang: then do you suggest EXT4? I was told that BTRfs is better for SSDs because it was essentially designed for them, while EXT4 is too heavy for an SSD and lowers use. This is something I'm not terribly familiar wiht so I don't know if I was being put-on | 21:48 |
| onefang | This is the first I recall hearing that BTRFS was designed for SSD. I use EXT4 on my SSDs. Though on my desktop I use the SSD just for the "not written to much" parts of the operating system, and HDD for everything else. Then again I have many TBs of data that wont fit on the SSD. | 21:54 |
| onefang | My server has two SSDs in a RAID. | 21:54 |
| fluffywolf | I use ext4 on my ssds. btrfs is good if you like tinkering with filesystems rather than using your computer, from what I've heard... | 21:55 |
| fluffywolf | ssd write wear is a non-issue in any typical application. | 21:55 |
| onefang | SSD still has "X number of write cycles" as part of their specs, and I want my super desktop to last a loooong time. | 21:57 |
| fluffywolf | my cheap ssd is rated for something like 7PB. | 21:59 |
| se7en | onefang: that's my concern too, but my prelimianry research states that the technology should be expected to last as long as a computer motherboard in a standard use case. There are apparently different classes of SSds, which all have different TBW length, but they have increased in height. | 21:59 |
| onefang | I built my super desktop for my non standard use cases. B-) | 22:00 |
| se7en | My present HDD is one I bought used, and is only 500GB. I am hoping to get a 1-5TB SSD today at Best Buy (the only brick and moarter tech store still in existance) | 22:00 |
| fluffywolf | also, I did the math once, and ssd endurance inherently exceeds spinny rust endurance, because a spinny rust drive is so much slower that you'll reach its mechanical lifetime expectancy before you've written as much data as a comparable ssd's endurance. | 22:00 |
| se7en | Oh? | 22:01 |
| se7en | I also have some general concern about data corruption on the SSD, which I hear is more impactful than on an HDD. I heard that without power the SSD is subject to Bitrot. I don't use my computer every day. I am also somewhat concerned that heavy write may cause ireversable damage to the SSD | 22:02 |
| se7en | Are these concerns that I should be considering, or is the threshold much higher than my general inference? | 22:03 |
| fluffywolf | storage data loss happens faster the more writes the drive has had... and you'll get nowhere near the point it becomes an issue on a typical application. | 22:03 |
| fluffywolf | also, ALL storage devices can lose data. make backups. | 22:04 |
| se7en | Yes, I do plan to make backups of the important stuff | 22:05 |
| onefang | Yep, make backups AND regularly test you can restore from them. RAID is not a backup. | 22:05 |
| se7en | I wish I could afford my own Tape Storage array, like the big boys | 22:05 |
| se7en | I have no RAID | 22:05 |
| onefang | Tape is good, I can't afford it either. lol | 22:05 |
| se7en | Perhaps someday I'll have a RAID | 22:05 |
| se7en | But a RAID on a laptop, while possible, is defeating the purpose | 22:06 |
| se7en | It's been years since I've had a proper workstation | 22:06 |
| fluffywolf | I just make backups onto a cheap hdd. | 22:06 |
| fluffywolf | ideally I'd swap between two of them, but I've been lazy... | 22:07 |
| se7en | I make copies of individual essential files onto Flash Drives | 22:08 |
| se7en | This is like the worst backup method possible. Inefficent, crappy, incomplete, accross several drives, not kept automatically up-to-date | 22:08 |
| fluffywolf | but still better than none. | 22:09 |
| se7en | Anyone have suggestion of brands for SSDs at Best Buy? I hate Best Buy, but I'm needing to go there since I know of no other store. Fry's was the last one that existed. | 22:11 |
| se7en | I have somewhat educated myself on the classes, so that's good | 22:12 |
| fluffywolf | any reputable name brand. | 22:12 |
| fluffywolf | not ocz. | 22:12 |
| onefang | Seagate FireCuda 520 is what I put in my super desktop a couple of years ago. | 22:14 |
| fluffywolf | I have a sandisk cloudspeed in here... budget enterprise drive. | 22:14 |
| onefang | That's M.2 NVMe, which may or may not suit you. | 22:15 |
| se7en | I'm looking to get a 2.5 inch drive for my Thinkpad T530 | 22:15 |
| fluffywolf | I don't remember what I have in my desktop that I don't use. lol. been thinking of adding it to this laptop as a second drive. | 22:18 |
| onefang | M.2 isn't for you then. | 22:18 |
| fluffywolf | need to research the proper expansion bay drive enclosure for this model. | 22:21 |
| fluffywolf | I think I've used the dvd drive all of twice in like forever... | 22:22 |
| se7en | I just bot the SDD from BestBuy. As expected, the salesman knew nothing about the product and couln't tell me the TW. I ended up buying his suggestion, which was the Samsung 870 EVO on his word that it would last longer than the other ones. That probably wasn't a good thing to do, rely on his word. The box lists no information other than 560MB/s read and 530MB/s write. Time to prepare to flash, | 23:47 |
| se7en | then move all my data | 23:47 |
| fsmithred | I don't know model numbers, but when I looked at SSDs a year or two ago, samsung EVO got good tech reviews. | 23:49 |
| fsmithred | and they are still working | 23:49 |
| fluffywolf | sumsung is generally considered a reputable name brand, so you'll be fine. | 23:59 |
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