libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2023-05-11

rustyaxedaedalus has 6.1.0-7 last i was near real internet and updated00:47
AlexLikeRockwhere can change the name of my device-USB-wifi ?06:21
AlexLikeRockwlx00e04cb66705  to wlan306:22
rrqfirst: mv /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules{,.OFF}06:57
rrqthen: 75-persistent-net-generator.rules.OFF06:58
rrqI meant, then: mv /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules{,.OFF}06:58
rrqand then: mv /lib/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules{,.OFF}06:59
rrqthat might do the thing on next reboot06:59
younihello! why do some usb-sticks are mounted automatically, but others that i parted and made filesystem are not mounted automatically ?12:29
youniplease, how to automount usb sticks fat32 ?12:31
djphonly thing that comes to mind youni is a usev ruld12:32
djph*udev12:32
djph*rule12:32
djphbut that shouldn't care about filesystem type12:32
younii added powersave rule to /etc/udev/rules.d/50_usb_power_save.rules:12:34
youni#all other devices12:34
youniACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", TEST=="power/control", ATTR{power/control}="auto"12:34
younido i need remove this rule ?12:34
djphdunno, I don't bother with automounting, but as I understand things,  udev is involved there.12:35
onefangMight be more than one partition on the USB, or different partition table type.  Just a wild guess though.12:36
youniyes, there is DOS table12:36
younibut i also tried to make GPT table and linux partition type and make filesystem ext4. but also is not mounting12:37
djphdmesg have any info when you plug it in?12:37
younihttps://ibb.co/vVsZYCY12:39
younicommenting out this line and reboot made all my usb (gpt and dos tables) are parted automatically12:51
youni#ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", TEST=="power/control", ATTR{power/control}="auto"12:51
youniand i think i reminded why i added that line. Now all these devices appeared in the left side in pcman: https://ibb.co/0BTmTXD12:53
youniCould you advise how to prevent pcman show all my partitions in left panel ?12:53
youni2Sorry they are shown anyways12:59
hacksenwerkHello. After installing slim or lightdm the mouse is frozen and keyboard does not respond. Is there some input package missing?14:20
hacksenwerkI installe xserver-xorg-core that brings some packages with it and the driver for my video card.14:21
hacksenwerkAlso xserver-xorg-input-mouse and xserver-xorg-input-kbd14:21
hacksenwerkShouldn't that be enough?14:21
hacksenwerkx11-xserver-utils Is also installed.14:24
hacksenwerkslim pops up, lightdm pops up... just input does not work.. I don't know... What is missing?14:25
rrqinstall xserver-xorg15:08
gnarfacehacksenwerk: make sure you're in the input group15:52
gnarfaceyou probably want to be in the video group too15:52
gnarfacethough if you can even see the mouse that suggests you shouldn't have to do either of those things but i dunno for sure15:52
gnarfaceoh, unless you were already in the video group but forgot to also add the input group15:52
hacksenwerkgnarface: Oh right the groups!15:55
hacksenwerkThank you I will try that.15:55
gnarfacei probably should have mentioned the audio group as well15:57
pourpre__Hi16:30
pourpre__OK, be it my girlfriend's pseudonym.16:31
pourpre__So, I've been blocked while trying to create an account in dev1galaxy.org16:31
pourpre__My pseudonym is Ion and I last time I tried was a few minute ago, I also tried 2 times with TOR something like 2 days ago, I don't remember.16:32
pourpre__* and last time16:35
gnarfaceWe have a problem with spammers, pourpre__, stand by for assistance. (you may have to be patient, this is a slow channel)16:35
gnarfacegolinux: ^16:35
gnarfacepourpre__: meanwhile, if you have a question you can just ask it here too.16:36
pourpre__OK, I'm using my girlfriend's computer now, I hope it will be done before she comes back.16:36
pourpre__Well, I've got problem installing gnuinos, I think it will be easier to speak about it in the forum.16:37
gnarfacevery well16:38
hacksenwerkgnarface: I added the user to the group input but that doesn't help...16:54
gnarfacehacksenwerk: that's strange. do you have the xserver-xorg package installed? someone else suggested to try that.16:55
hacksenwerkI installed the xserver as minimal as possible, only core and stuff16:57
fsmithredpourpre__, try again now, please. You should be able to register.16:58
fsmithredxserver-xorg-input-libinput which would be included in xserver-xorg that was suggested earlier.16:59
pourpre__OK, I'm going to try again.17:01
gnarfacehacksenwerk, fsmithred i think you will often need xserver-xorg-input-evdev too17:02
gnarfaceand xserver-xorg-input-kbd too for that matter, no?17:02
hacksenwerkgnarface: the last one I have17:02
pourpre__It still doesn't work.17:03
gnarfacehacksenwerk: xserver-xorg-input-all might be a better choice, since it would include all of them, but i can see not wanting xserver-xorg-input-wacom for example if you're never gonna use it, but these packages take so little space i think it's not worth trying to debug them piecemeal17:03
fsmithredwow, sorry pourpre__. I thought it would work.17:03
pourpre__No problem.17:04
hacksenwerkgnarface: I see. I will test them tomorrow. Thank you all! :)17:04
fsmithredpourpre__, please try again. I did something different this time. If it still doesn't work, I'll get someone to tell me exactly how to do it.17:05
pourpre__OK.17:05
pourpre__It still doesn't work.17:06
fsmithredok, golinux can help. I expect she'll be around soon.17:07
fsmithredI'm going outside. bbl.17:08
pourpre__OK, maybe see you latter fsmithred.17:09
hacksenwerkBye.17:37
golinuxpourpre__: Can you hop on the PM I opened?18:54
pourpre__Hi golinux, OK.18:57
pourpre__Bye all.19:22
nparafeso ... this happened when I tried to create an account at the forum: "Unfortunately it looks like your request is spam. If you feel this is a mistake, please direct any inquiries to the forum administrator at IRC #devuan at irc.libera.chat"20:14
golinuxI can help you but in a metting now20:16
golinuxmeeting really20:16
golinuxMay be up to an hour20:16
nparafeI do not think I can stay until then, so I will try again tommorow. Thank for offering to help. :)20:19
nparafeThanks*20:19
systemdleteI'm having trouble getting apt-listchanges to work--it still isn't showing me the changelogs for updated packages.22:50
systemdleteI surfed around and found a few articles, but I could not get mine to work like theirs.22:51
systemdleteIs this broken on Devuan, or have I missed something?22:51
gnarfacehmm, vaguely rings a bell22:51
systemdletehi gnarface!22:52
gnarfacefsmithred, do you remember about apt-listchanges?22:52
systemdleteIt would be really neat to have this feature22:52
gnarfacecheck and see if it works on one of the devuan-forked packages22:52
systemdletesuggestion, please?22:53
gnarfacei recall there being something wrong with it, but it's not clear... like maybe amprolla sabotages it or something?22:53
systemdleteexample of a forked package (sorry I am not too familiar with this)22:54
systemdlete?22:54
gnarfaceoh, run "dpkg -l |grep devuan" or just browsed the /devuan directory of the repos with a web browser22:54
gnarfacethe devaun-forked packages all have "devuan" in the version string, and on the repos they are in the /devuan directory22:55
systemdleteoh, ok22:55
gnarface(debian packages, served by http-redirect, are in the /debian directory, and /merged is a virtual directory showing the contents of both combined)22:56
gnarfacemy guess was just that if it's amprolla breaking it, then it might only break the packages that are being served by http redirect22:56
systemdleteI tried apt install udisks2, but it immediately proceeds to install without displaying changelogs22:56
gnarfacehmm, isn't that expected behavior though?22:57
gnarfacei guess maybe i'm not 100% clear on exactly how apt-listchanges works22:57
systemdleteactually, apt reinstall because I don't have udisks2 installed22:57
gnarfaceyou know the change logs are still in /usr/share/doc/[package name] right?22:57
systemdletewell, when apt-listchanges is installed, if one has the right apt-listchanges.conf fu, it should display the changelogs22:58
gnarfaceoh, it displays them whenever you install a package?22:58
systemdletethis is for packages to be installed, not those already installed22:58
RhineDevil^Does someone have networkmanager incorrectly believing it is connected to a wifi network while it isn't?22:58
systemdleteI think so, per the descriptions22:58
RhineDevil^Had this problem for quite some time but never figured out how to fix that22:58
gnarfaceRhineDevil^: i have not seen that but i don't use it much, however the problems i have had lead me to two possible solutions to a number of problems: 1) uninstall avahi-daemon 2) make sure it's not actually just the DNS servers that are broken (check the network using ip addresses only)23:00
gnarfaceif you can ping your wifi router by IP then wifi is connected23:00
gnarfacethat's not all there is to making network work though23:01
gnarfaceyou need to have valid DNS servers and a valid route out23:01
RhineDevil^gnarface: I already checked with ping23:01
RhineDevil^I was seeing the network-manager "connected" icon but ping answered no network available23:02
gnarfacehmm, it also has a directory it caches wifi configs in. you might have a corrupted one and you can just delete it and start over23:02
gnarfacehonestly, how much to you relocate? network-manager is often more trouble than it's worth if you're only ever connecting to the same wifi router23:03
fsmithredgnarface, I've never had to do anything with apt-listchanges beyond installing it23:05
systemdleteoh, wait.   Now it is working.23:06
* systemdlete headslaps himself23:06
gnarfacefsmithred: oh, i thought i remembered there being a problem with it of some sort in the last year, sorry to bug you23:06
fsmithredyeah, there was a problem reading the descriptions of forked packages, and I think that got fixed23:06
gnarfaceok23:06
systemdleteI see my problem.  It actually ends up asking twice if I want to continue.23:07
systemdleteWhich is stupid.23:07
systemdleteBut that is apparently how it works.23:07
gnarfaceRhineDevil^: is this a constant problem, or does it actually work sometimes?23:07
fsmithredRhineDevil^, I've seen where n-m says it's connected when it isn't and isn't connected when it is. But that was long ago on debian and the problem was that I was also using /etc/network/interfaces for the same interface.23:11
RhineDevil^gnarface: constant problem23:11
RhineDevil^The weird part is that sometimes it detects it, sometimes it doesn't23:12
n4diri sure do remember all kind of network-managers getting "confused" if another one was installed and running or (not that sure bout that) if the interfaces files "acts" too (contains configuration).23:14
gnarfaceRhineDevil^: do you also have entries in /etc/network/interfaces?23:22
RhineDevilgnarface: I do, but not any wifi ones23:26
RhineDevilI only have a virtual network I use for containers and stuff23:27
RhineDevilAnd which I told NetworkManager expressely in its conf file to ignore23:27

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