| FatPhil | arse - a dist-upgrade to beowulf has just caused havoc with one of my most relied-upon machines :( | 00:00 |
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| FatPhil | is there a pastebin I can put some logs on? | 00:00 |
| gnarface | paste.debian.net | 00:01 |
| gnarface | er, but i think termbin.com is popular around here | 00:02 |
| FatPhil | http://fatphil.org/tmp/badwulf.txt | 00:02 |
| FatPhil | pfft, I have a webserver for a reason - let's hope it still works! | 00:03 |
| FatPhil | that was about the time I added some idiot probe error to the f2b sshd.conf file and did a restart. | 00:04 |
| FatPhil | so maybe things are fine, not sure | 00:04 |
| FatPhil | not even sure if I got the f2b syntax correct - my various machines have about 12 different versions of the filter.d config files because perfection can only be obtained after changing things a dozen times. | 00:05 |
| FatPhil | and by "versions", I literally mean "syntax". | 00:05 |
| FatPhil | the restart appeared to "work": | 00:06 |
| FatPhil | + /etc/init.d/fail2ban restart | 00:06 |
| FatPhil | [ ok ] Restarting authentication failure monitor: fail2ban. | 00:06 |
| FatPhil | but when programs start barfing all over their log files I get a bit worried. | 00:07 |
| AlexLikeRock | FatPhil, | 00:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | copyrightable its copyleft ? | 00:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | https://www.gnu.org/licenses/copyleft.en.html | 00:55 |
| AlexLikeRock | http://fatphil.org/games/Snookards.txt | 00:55 |
| AlexLikeRock | " Invented by FatPhil 2021-05-09. Rules of games are not copyrightable, but a mention of..." | 00:56 |
| AlexLikeRock | welcome to : copyleft | 00:56 |
| FatPhil | copyleft does not apply, game rules are not copyrightable, and copyleft only applies to things that are copyrightable in the first place. | 08:46 |
| latex | Hey guys, is it just me or is games-fps/gzdoom broken? | 15:10 |
| latex | It compiles but doesn't run | 15:10 |
| latex | complains about ZScript compilation failures | 15:10 |
| gnarface | that isn't part of devuan, is it? | 15:11 |
| gnarface | if so, you might have to do some work on it to get it built | 15:11 |
| latex | fuck | 15:14 |
| latex | wrong channel | 15:14 |
| latex | I meant to type that into #gentoo | 15:14 |
| gnarface | no worries | 15:14 |
| AhmedNabil | hi | 15:34 |
| AhmedNabil | Can I asking about unstable version sound didn't work on gnome | 15:34 |
| gnarface | yea, did sound work in anything? | 15:34 |
| gnarface | AhmedNabil: you're in the right place, though there's no guarantee it'll work. i can walk you through some tests that can help us find out though. | 15:35 |
| gnarface | first of all, did you have working sound at all? | 15:35 |
| gnarface | in any programs, ever? | 15:35 |
| AhmedNabil | no in gnome sitting on sound section there's nou driver for sound | 15:36 |
| AhmedNabil | can't any application like firefox synaptic | 15:36 |
| gnarface | do you think your hardware might need the firmware-intel-sound package from non-free? | 15:37 |
| gnarface | it probably wouldn't have been installed by default | 15:37 |
| gnarface | https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/firmware-intel-sound | 15:37 |
| gnarface | this one | 15:37 |
| AhmedNabil | Trying all of things i found in debian and aloot of site but no things sufor me | 15:37 |
| gnarface | try that package then reboot | 15:38 |
| gnarface | make sure to get it from the devuan repos obviously | 15:38 |
| gnarface | but the name should be the same | 15:38 |
| gnarface | actually | 15:38 |
| AhmedNabil | no when i try gnome on devuan i install just gnome desktip | 15:38 |
| gnarface | actually, before you check that, you can run this as root and probably know for sure if you need it: dmesg |grep firmware | 15:38 |
| AhmedNabil | when I try old devuan version nomber 4 gnome work perfect with sounds | 15:39 |
| AhmedNabil | But after trying version 5 no sound li | 15:40 |
| gnarface | hmm, noted | 15:40 |
| AhmedNabil | When update from version 4 to unstable the sound stip working | 15:40 |
| gnarface | well that is usually evidence they broke it upstream and it just can't be fixed | 15:41 |
| gnarface | but so far we've done exactly 0 troubleshooting... | 15:41 |
| AhmedNabil | i think this problem because debian making pipewir is the default sound server on debian 12 | 15:43 |
| AhmedNabil | But devuan still using pulseaudio | 15:43 |
| gnarface | maybe so. did you try it with just bare alsa? | 15:44 |
| AhmedNabil | when i trying to remove pipewir to install pulseaudi | 15:46 |
| AhmedNabil | the apt package manager trying remove gnome desktop | 15:46 |
| phogg | install and remove in one step | 15:48 |
| AhmedNabil | maybe I will try it tomorrow after download new devuan iso | 15:49 |
| phogg | AhmedNabil: I see that gnome-settings-daemon depends on pulseaudio | pipewire-audio, so if you 'apt-get install pulseaudio- pipewire-audio' then it should not break the dep | 15:50 |
| phogg | that might not be what you're hitting exactly, but if you can find out what dep it wants you can likely swap them (but you have to do it in one step, not two) | 15:50 |
| AhmedNabil | there's another thing debian making this package for manage pipewir | 15:53 |
| AhmedNabil | wireplumber | 15:53 |
| phogg | what about it? | 15:53 |
| AhmedNabil | debian replace pipewire-session-manager with wireplumber | 15:54 |
| AhmedNabil | I'm not sure if this happen from debian dev or pipewire dev | 15:56 |
| phogg | AhmedNabil: pipewire | 15:57 |
| phogg | wireplbumer is the successor to the original session manager | 15:58 |
| phogg | er, wireplumber | 15:58 |
| AhmedNabil | this mean there's allot of working for dev to change gnome configuration to using new pipewire session manager | 16:00 |
| AhmedNabil | and full replace pulseaudio with pipewire on devuan | 16:00 |
| phogg | AhmedNabil: I have no experience with it (yet), but there should not be anything to change. Pipewire looks like pulseaudio to pulseaudio-aware clients. | 16:01 |
| phogg | and the session manager is hidden behind that. | 16:01 |
| AhmedNabil | but I know gnome work perfect with systemd but without systemd it's need allot of working to make it work normal | 16:04 |
| AhmedNabil | for that some distro like freebsd have old version of gnome | 16:07 |
| AhmedNabil | artix did release it's gnome version not it's still testing version from year 2020 until now | 16:07 |
| temp64 | why is it that running kill %1 on a background job / bash function that was tailing some logs results in orphaned processes on mac but not here on linux? | 20:36 |
| temp64 | is it something specific to the init system? | 20:37 |
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